The Human Energy Structure in the Invisible World

228 replies
  • OFF TOPIC
  • |


This certainly puts an interesting twist on consciousness and where it actually resides, (great video animation).

And also shows that when the Philadelphia experiments were completed and why some soldiers went through strange side affects.

If we are just what is visible then there would have been less issues, but since we are complex entity's, made up of different layers of dimensional environments, all balanced, messing about with that can produce dramatic results.

  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    I'm glad you brought this to our attention. It will cause much debate among the advanced souls here.
    Signature

    Where ever you go, there you are.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382746].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      It will cause much debate among the advanced souls here.
      Really? Name one!
      Signature

      "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382966].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    So - our energy structure is a pyramid...who would have thunk it...

    If we are just what is visible then there would have been less issues, but since we are complex entity's, made up of different layers of dimensional environments, all balanced, messing about with that can produce dramatic results.
    ...which made me go "say WHAT?"... If I mess around and disappear - can I choose my dimensional environment?

    You might be interested in this account of the "Philadelphia Experiment".

    https://people.howstuffworks.com/phi...experiment.htm


    That's all the debate I can come up with on this one....
    Signature

    Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382762].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate?
    Signature
    - Shakin -
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382824].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate?
      You mean like KFC and Donuts being a health food.
      Signature

      Where ever you go, there you are.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382849].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        You mean like KFC and Donuts being a health food.
        Are you suggesting they're not?
        Signature
        - Shakin -
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382854].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I'm glad you brought this to our attention. It will cause much debate among the advanced souls here.
    Don't worry, Mark like every party there are gatecrashers.

    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    So - our energy structure is a pyramid...who would have thunk it...

    ...which made me go "say WHAT?"... If I mess around and disappear - can I choose my dimensional environment?

    You might be interested in this account of the "Philadelphia Experiment".

    https://people.howstuffworks.com/phi...experiment.htm

    That's all the debate I can come up with on this one....
    Not sure about the pyramid format, although this model fits it, but first time l have heard about the 4 modules.

    this model also explains why the brain is capable of storing an almost infinite amount of information and can perform some calculations faster than should be physically possible.

    As for the Philidelphia ex, sure little evidence, but there is some, Einstein and Tesla messing about with it in Princeton being one, Tesla reporting to his assistant that he experienced a time field affect when one of his Tesla coil charges hit his arm.

    As well as modern day experiments showing that ultra high frequencies, (which was part of the 3 Tesla coils producing a wave affect around the battle ship) can fuse matter and make it weightless.

    They also ran experiments on a model with l think pigs, etc with similar horrific results and strongly were against scaling it up.

    But it was during the war, so every advantage was fast tracked.

    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382889].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      this model also explains why the brain is capable of storing an almost infinite amount of information and can perform some calculations faster than should be physically possible.
      :
      You are a national treasure, and science can never keep up with you. You truly do think faster than should be physically possible.

      And I'm sure that the video (which I am not qualified to comment on) explains your ability to seemingly do the impossible.

      You positively give me the vapors.


      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate?
      Stop it?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382935].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Stop it?
        Lol, the secrets out?
        Signature
        - Shakin -
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382938].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Lol, the secrets out?
          But all the secrets are already out. They are all on YouTube?
          Signature
          SEO, AdWords Management, Social Media Marketing, and more.
          Get a FREE Quote.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382944].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You are a national treasure, and science can never keep up with you. You truly do think faster than should be physically possible.

        And I'm sure that the video (which I am not qualified to comment on) explains your ability to seemingly do the impossible.

        You positively give me the vapors.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjR4SniykY


        Stop it?
        Excuse me sir, this thread is for Meta Physicists only. It's a bit more advanced than what your used too. You are also going to have to step outside if your doing the vapors.
        Signature

        Where ever you go, there you are.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382964].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Excuse me sir, this thread is for Meta Physicists only. It's a bit more advanced than what your used too. You are also going to have to step outside if your doing the vapors.

          He's vaping in the stockroom with a vacuum cleaner hose sucking the vapor outside.
          Signature
          - Shakin -
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382973].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Excuse me sir, this thread is for Meta Physicists only. It's a bit more advanced than what your used too. You are also going to have to step outside if your doing the vapors.


          The Vapors;

          the vapours (or vapors) is a reference to certain mental or physical states, such as hysteria, mania, clinical depression, bipolar disorder, lightheadedness, fainting, flush, withdrawal syndrome, mood swings, or PMS, where a sufferer lost mental focus.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382980].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post



            The Vapors;

            the vapours (or vapors) is a reference to certain mental or physical states, such as hysteria, mania, clinical depression, bipolar disorder, lightheadedness, fainting, flush, withdrawal syndrome, mood swings, or PMS, where a sufferer lost mental focus.
            I only ever associate one type of Vapor when it comes to you.

            If you study this stuff, like I have, aside from the European accented chap referring to it as a pyramid type structure. There is nothing here I have not read about before. eg: The soul entering through the solar plexus, the silver chord etc. This is often seen by those who practice Astral Projection, so it's a shared observation. 'When the silver chord is severed" is also a quote from the bible of all things.

            There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about how all this works among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.
            Signature

            Where ever you go, there you are.

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382986].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              I only ever associate one type of Vapor when it comes to you.

              If you study this stuff, like I have, aside from the European accented chap referring to it as a pyramid type structure. There is nothing here I have not read about before. eg: The soul entering through the solar plexus, the silver chord etc. This is often seen by those who practice Astral Projection, so it's a shared observation. 'When the silver chord is severed" is also a quote from the bible of all things.

              There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about how all this works among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.
              OK. I didn't see a single sentence here that sounded like it came from a sane person.

              If that gets me banned, so be it.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382997].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                If that gets me banned, so be it.
                I thanked you so you wouldn't get banned?
                Signature
                - Shakin -
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382998].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                OK. I didn't see a single sentence here that sounded like it came from a sane person.

                If that gets me banned, so be it.
                You have never even studied it, you can't even talk about it because you have just dis-guarded it without ever having given it a cursory glance.

                To refute and ridicule anything without ever having any knowledge of what it is about is the height of ignorance. and, it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not. This can apply to anything.

                Added: If you re-read what I wrote, I never indicated that I necessarily believed a single word of it, only that I "have" studied it, and this is what I found.
                Signature

                Where ever you go, there you are.

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383004].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  You have never even studied it, you can't even talk about it because you have just dis-guarded it without ever having given it a cursory glance.

                  To refute and ridicule anything without ever having any knowledge of what it is about is the height of ignorance. and, it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not. This can apply to anything.

                  I get the feeling this is actually about Mandella?
                  Signature
                  - Shakin -
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383007].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  You have never even studied it,.

                  Studied what? There isn't anything you mentioned that is remotely rational.

                  Let's take your argument and replace the subject.

                  How can you think that Bugs Bunny isn't real. You've never studied the subject. You ignore the videos showing that Bug Bunny is a real person. Millions of people have seen Bugs Bunny on TV. They have heard him talk. All hear the same voice. Obviously that many people couldn't see Bugs Bunny without him being real.

                  You have just dis-guarded it without ever having given it a cursory glance.

                  There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about Bug Bunny being real among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.

                  To refute and ridicule anything without ever having any knowledge of what it is about is the height of ignorance. and, it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not. This can apply to anything.

                  Do you see how ridiculous these arguments are? Do you see how the arguments break down?

                  And your sentence..."..it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not.". Really? Well, if it doesn't matter if something is true or not..I guess everything you said...and everything Shane said... is valid.

                  By the way, when I was a teenager (before my brain was done developing) I read several books on Astral projection, Chakras, Chi, Auras, and levitation. I was under the impression that somewhere...somebody actually could do at least one of these things...or at least one of these things were real. But reading the books, I found that their ideas were based on nonsense...superstition...old wives tales. And fourth grade science students would see the nonsense for what it was.

                  I don't study every ridiculous claim and watch every silly video posted...for the same reason that a psychiatrist doesn't check out the story of every patient claiming to be Napoleon.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383009].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Studied what?
                    I don't study every ridiculous claim and watch every silly video posted...for the same reason that a psychiatrist doesn't check out the story of every patient claiming to be Napoleon.
                    well than that physiatrist is not doing their job .. as the story they need to check out..its what happened to this person in their life..combined with mental condition.. to give them this belief.. and how does it effect their function in this world ..

                    yeah maybe 40 years ago and before they could put anyone they wanted in straight jackets and a mental hospital .. but there has to be some treatment besides .. no your not napoleon here is all the proof i can show you why you are not ..
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383024].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      well than that physiatrist is not doing their job .. as the story they need to check out..its what happened to this person in their life..combined with mental condition.. to give them this belief.. and how does it effect their function in this world ..

                      yeah maybe 40 years ago and before they could put anyone they wanted in straight jackets and a mental hospital .. but there has to be some treatment besides .. no your not napoleon here is all the proof i can show you why you are not ..
                      What I meant was that they wouldn't check out if he was really Napoleon.
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383037].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    [DELETED]
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383063].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      As usual you completely missed the point. You have not read up on anything other than science and anything else that personally interests you. Anything more esoteric than that you have no interest in looking into.

                      So, you have made up your mind about it in advance. You you are coming to this thread because it's (to you) fair game to have some fun with and ridicule.

                      Say you were an expert angler, loved going fishing, knew everything about bait and types of rods etc, you open a thread and get into a discussion with several like minded people. Then I come on and just keep popping up and jeer and say fishings a total waste of time, no point to it and you can just go to the store and buy some. How long would I last before someone tells me to bug out?

                      I know nothing of fishing, the joys, the challenge, and the expert knowledge about bait, the art of casting, types of rods to use etc. I'm just jeering in complete ignorance.

                      The subject matter is a little different than fishing on this thread and true, there are scant people on the forum who may want to talk seriously about it, However, your doing exactly the same thing as in the example above, just jeering in complete ignorance of the subject.
                      The difference is that fishing is real?
                      Signature
                      SEO, AdWords Management, Social Media Marketing, and more.
                      Get a FREE Quote.
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383068].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Studied what? There isn't anything you mentioned that is remotely rational.

                    Let's take your argument and replace the subject.

                    How can you think that Bugs Bunny isn't real. You've never studied the subject. You ignore the videos showing that Bug Bunny is a real person. Millions of people have seen Bugs Bunny on TV. They have heard him talk. All hear the same voice. Obviously that many people couldn't see Bugs Bunny without him being real.

                    You have just dis-guarded it without ever having given it a cursory glance.

                    There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about Bug Bunny being real among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.

                    To refute and ridicule anything without ever having any knowledge of what it is about is the height of ignorance. and, it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not. This can apply to anything.

                    Do you see how ridiculous these arguments are? Do you see how the arguments break down?

                    And your sentence..."..it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not.". Really? Well, if it doesn't matter if something is true or not..I guess everything you said...and everything Shane said... is valid.

                    By the way, when I was a teenager (before my brain was done developing) I read several books on Astral projection, Chakras, Chi, Auras, and levitation. I was under the impression that somewhere...somebody actually could do at least one of these things...or at least one of these things were real. But reading the books, I found that their ideas were based on nonsense...superstition...old wives tales. And fourth grade science students would see the nonsense for what it was.

                    I don't study every ridiculous claim and watch every silly video posted...for the same reason that a psychiatrist doesn't check out the story of every patient claiming to be Napoleon.
                    As usual you completely missed the point. You have not read up on anything other than science and anything else that personally interests you. Anything more esoteric than that you have no interest in looking into.

                    So, you have made up your mind about it in advance. You you are coming to this thread because it's (to you) fair game to have some fun with and ridicule.

                    Say you were an expert angler, loved going fishing, knew everything about bait and types of rods etc, you open a thread and get into a discussion with several like minded people. Then I come on and just keep popping up and jeer and say fishings a total waste of time, no point to it and you can just go to the store and buy some. How long would I last before someone tells me to bug out?

                    I know nothing of fishing, the joys, the challenge, and the expert knowledge about bait, the art of casting, types of rods to use etc. I'm just jeering in complete ignorance.

                    The subject matter is a little different than fishing on this thread and true, there are scant people on the forum who may want to talk seriously about it, However, your doing exactly the same thing as in the example above, just jeering in complete ignorance of the subject.

                    Added: Your foray's you made into the subject that you talked about sound very superficial.
                    Signature

                    Where ever you go, there you are.

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383071].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      As usual you completely missed the point. You have not read up on anything other than science and anything else that personally interests you. Anything more esoteric than that you have no interest in looking into..
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      By the way, when I was a teenager (before my brain was done developing) I read several books on Astral projection, Chakras, Chi, Auras, and levitation.
                      The truth is that I've read several books on philosophy, meditation, and the beliefs and practices this thread promotes. Where these beliefs originate, how they have morphed over the centuries....and whether they are based on religious, cultural, or experiential practices. But yes, I also study the science.

                      Science is the study of the real. And reality is what's important to me.

                      By the way, do you read up on things that don't personally interest you? That seems like a silly thing to do.
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383473].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        The truth is that I've read several books on philosophy, meditation, and the beliefs and practices this thread promotes. Where these beliefs originate, how they have morphed over the centuries....and whether they are based on religious, cultural, or experiential practices. But yes, I also study the science.

                        Science is the study of the real. And reality is what's important to me.

                        By the way, do you read up on things that don't personally interest you? That seems like a silly thing to do.
                        Why do you bother?
                        Signature

                        Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
                        Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383477].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        The truth is that I've read several books on philosophy, meditation, and the beliefs and practices this thread promotes. Where these beliefs originate, how they have morphed over the centuries....and whether they are based on religious, cultural, or experiential practices. But yes, I also study the science.

                        Science is the study of the real. And reality is what's important to me.

                        By the way, do you read up on things that don't personally interest you? That seems like a silly thing to do.
                        That's just it, you just read the books. I have demonstrated to myself that experiencing some of these practices shows that they are as real as the here and now reality we all experience. I can also assure you I'm as sane as you are, I don't do drugs, hardly drink.

                        It's a huge difference in thinking for someone who has actually "experienced" some of these things as opposed to someone who just reads books about it.

                        That's always going to be a huge stumbling block in our respective perceptions.
                        Signature

                        Where ever you go, there you are.

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383486].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          That's just it, you just read the books. I have demonstrated to myself that experiencing some of these practices shows that they are as real as the here and now reality we all experience. I can also assure you I'm as sane as you are, I don't do drugs, hardly drink.

                          It's a huge difference in thinking for someone who has actually "experienced" some of these things as opposed to someone who just reads books about it.

                          That's always going to be a huge stumbling block in our respective perceptions.
                          At last, a well thought out argument.

                          Based on incomplete information,(for example, you have no idea what my experiences were) but well thought out.
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383496].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            At last, a well thought out argument.

                            Based on incomplete information,(for example, you have no idea what my experiences were) but well thought out.
                            The only thing you ever related to me was about doing meditation (focusing?) in relation to your martial Arts training and you were not that impressed with it?
                            Signature

                            Where ever you go, there you are.

                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383505].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                              The only thing you ever related to me was about doing meditation (focusing?) in relation to your martial Arts training and you were not that impressed with it?
                              No need to drag this out forever...

                              But I was genuinely interested in levitating when I was a teenager. I don't mean tricks, I mean really levitating. I bought several books on it, followed the practices, and did it for a few years. Serious effort, serious study.

                              Of course, I never levitated. Not even close. In Kung Fu (at least the style I practiced), there were quite a lot of Chinese superstitions mixed in; Face reading, Feng shui, moxibustion, chants, meditation, acupuncture, chi kung, And..believe it or not...levitating.

                              Eventually, I figured out..after a few years, that most of it was a holdover from chinese old wives tales...mixed with martial arts.

                              Some of the Chi Kung really got results, but nothing close to supernatural. Meditation gave me the ability to change my blood pressure at will, and slow my heart rate at will (something I can still do today), but these are just better awareness of internal functions. Nothing esoteric about it. Like learning to wiggle your ears.

                              Acupuncture has a real effect on the nerves it touches, but it doesn't cure anything, just dulls pain or relaxes muscles.

                              Many of the claims made were simply nonsense.

                              But it was in my mid 20s or so that I really started studying critical thinking and how to reason well. And I realized that much of what I learned was simply not thought out. It was superstition, passed on to eager believers.

                              A slightly different subject is what I experienced. I saw my dead father stand in front of me once. I really thought I was levitating once (maybe I was 17), and I have felt strong sensations in my limbs that my Kung Fu instructor insisted was "internal power..or Chi".
                              The problem was, I kept looking for better, clearer information. And I eventually learned what caused these sensations.

                              The cause wasn't what I thought.

                              My dead father was really a coat on a hanger in shadow. I know because I wouldn't blink or look away, and then he morphed into what he really was...a memory.
                              My levitating was just my body being completely relaxed, and it felt like levitating (I know because I asked my sister to watch me levitate....and I thought I did. Of course I looked like an idiot)
                              Chi is simply good blood circulation and building lots of capillaries that hold heat from the blood.
                              Internal power was just learning to move more efficiently.
                              Slowing my heart rate is simply relaxing and controlling my breathing. Same with lowering my blood pressure.
                              Chakras are a holdover from Indian religion. Just superstition. Although the breathing exercises were beneficial. Face reading (like phrenology) is simple superstition, like Feng Shui.

                              And then years later I started reading about the actual physiological changes that happen when we engage in these esoteric practices...what causes certain sensations...what makes us feel like we are out of our body...how the brain works to make us feel a deity's presence.

                              It's like watching a magic show and then finding out that it isn't magic. That puts me in the minority, because most people believe in magic....even when it's explained how the trick is done.

                              I guess that really did take forever.
                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383569].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                I guess that really did take forever.
                                Finally, we agree on something.
                                Signature

                                Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
                                Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383580].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                No need to drag this out forever...

                                It's like watching a magic show and then finding out that it isn't magic. That puts me in the minority, because most people believe in magic....even when it's explained how the trick is done.

                                I guess that really did take forever.
                                you can know how all the tricks are done..then apreciate the skill with wich the person pulls off the show ..

                                so how long did you think it was possible to levitate ..if you just found the right method ..

                                at a young age you don't care about your chi or blood flow .. and you don't care about meditating to reduce stress and blood pressure .. but if you where to get older and study both to get those results without modern medication and the side effects ..

                                how about purposely causing a placebo effect to improve health.. or avoiding a negative placebo response which isn't studied ..

                                looking into this stuff for the probable positive effects instead of the outlandish .. blue sky stuff ..

                                as for face reading.. i've learned how to do that naturally in the last few years..and it is a very important skill .. but there is probably a lot of outlandish bs ..people can say you can do with it..

                                there is a lot of stuff people try to learn to show of to others.. the magic tricks and the other bs.. rather than the practical personal application ..with positive long term benefits ..


                                A Lot of these old superstitions and practices .. that produce positive results have scientific and or medical value in studying ..just maybe no huge profit value for some corporation ..
                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383671].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                                  you can know how all the tricks are done..then apreciate the skill with wich the person pulls off the show ..

                                  so how long did you think it was possible to levitate ..if you just found the right method ..

                                  at a young age you don't care about your chi or blood flow .. and you don't care about meditating to reduce stress and blood pressure .. but if you where to get older and study both to get those results without modern medication and the side effects ..
                                  When I was maybe 14-17 years old, I studied levitation and astral projection. I really thought that if I just discovered "the secret", I'd be able to do one or both. At 17 I figured out that it wasn't going to happen.

                                  At 19, I started taking Kung Fu lessons. Every day for about 3 hours...very hard demanding training. Four years later, I started studying with a different teacher...a more educated man...better training...and that lasted four additional years. Most of the superstitious/religious/supernatural stuff came from the first instructor. His instructor came over from China. There, Kung Fu is part of the culture/history/religion...it all kind of gets mixed and taught together..like the new age stuff over here.

                                  You are right about my motivations. I meditated to increase my ability to hit harder. I studied (and practiced) Chi Kung to get stronger...and hit harder. It was all for getting stronger and being more effective in fighting.

                                  It wasn't until my mid-late twenties that I really started the most important study, how the brain works...and why we think the way we do. I suspected that much of what I was doing in Kung Fu was wasted effort, but now I knew.

                                  Eventually, in my thirties and afterward.. studying physiology and related fields, I started finding out how these effects were brought about. Part of my effects were real..and some were just me misinterpreting what was happening.

                                  Chinese face reading isn't like body language. It was specific types of features...and telling the persons fortune/future/intentions/character from that...very similar to astrology. Lots of charts teaching nothing.

                                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                                  .. but if you where to get older and study both to get those results without modern medication and the side effects ..

                                  how about purposely causing a placebo effect to improve health.. or avoiding a negative placebo response which isn't studied ..

                                  looking into this stuff for the probable positive effects instead of the outlandish .. blue sky stuff ..
                                  I didn't really understand this part of your post. Maybe you could reword it.
                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383672].message }}
                                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post




                                    Chinese face reading isn't like body language. It was specific types of features...and telling the persons fortune/future/intentions/character from that...very similar to astrology. Lots of charts teaching nothing.



                                    I didn't really understand this part of your post. Maybe you could reword it.
                                    the more you explain it .. the more it sound like many of these superstitions just grossly hype filled marketing .. totally blowing up the reality of what is possible.. probably just as a way for people who claimed to teach this kind of stuff .. just sold their services to gullable potential student.. or filled new temples and or schools ..

                                    anyway what i meant ... is that right now there is the placebo effect is acknowledged .. but it would be interesting to study if there is a negative placebo effect ..so imagine a test where you give someone an inert subtance .. but list out the side effects positive and negative.. and see if the negative ones appear .. which would suggest .. that a lot of the stuff we consume that we are told is bad for us.. may be fine but the negative placebo .. of telling someone it's bad .. may kick in ..
                                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384288].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                No need to drag this out forever...

                                But I was genuinely interested in levitating when I was a teenager. I don't mean tricks, I mean really levitating. I bought several books on it, followed the practices, and did it for a few years. Serious effort, serious study.

                                Of course, I never levitated. Not even close. In Kung Fu (at least the style I practiced), there were quite a lot of Chinese superstitions mixed in; Face reading, Feng shui, moxibustion, chants, meditation, acupuncture, chi kung, And..believe it or not...levitating.

                                Eventually, I figured out..after a few years, that most of it was a holdover from chinese old wives tales...mixed with martial arts.

                                Some of the Chi Kung really got results, but nothing close to supernatural. Meditation gave me the ability to change my blood pressure at will, and slow my heart rate at will (something I can still do today), but these are just better awareness of internal functions. Nothing esoteric about it. Like learning to wiggle your ears.

                                Acupuncture has a real effect on the nerves it touches, but it doesn't cure anything, just dulls pain or relaxes muscles.

                                Many of the claims made were simply nonsense.

                                But it was in my mid 20s or so that I really started studying critical thinking and how to reason well. And I realized that much of what I learned was simply not thought out. It was superstition, passed on to eager believers.

                                A slightly different subject is what I experienced. I saw my dead father stand in front of me once. I really thought I was levitating once (maybe I was 17), and I have felt strong sensations in my limbs that my Kung Fu instructor insisted was "internal power..or Chi".
                                The problem was, I kept looking for better, clearer information. And I eventually learned what caused these sensations.

                                The cause wasn't what I thought.

                                My dead father was really a coat on a hanger in shadow. I know because I wouldn't blink or look away, and then he morphed into what he really was...a memory.
                                My levitating was just my body being completely relaxed, and it felt like levitating (I know because I asked my sister to watch me levitate....and I thought I did. Of course I looked like an idiot)
                                Chi is simply good blood circulation and building lots of capillaries that hold heat from the blood.
                                Internal power was just learning to move more efficiently.
                                Slowing my heart rate is simply relaxing and controlling my breathing. Same with lowering my blood pressure.
                                Chakras are a holdover from Indian religion. Just superstition. Although the breathing exercises were beneficial. Face reading (like phrenology) is simple superstition, like Feng Shui.

                                And then years later I started reading about the actual physiological changes that happen when we engage in these esoteric practices...what causes certain sensations...what makes us feel like we are out of our body...how the brain works to make us feel a deity's presence.

                                It's like watching a magic show and then finding out that it isn't magic. That puts me in the minority, because most people believe in magic....even when it's explained how the trick is done.

                                I guess that really did take forever.
                                Looks like you were very much in it for the Superman aspect, the showman and the strength and fighting skills .

                                For me it started pretty young.As a kid I kept having these involuntary excursions, OOBE's to various parts of the house, I would be lying in bed and I found myself above my body looking down on it, in the attic, at the top of the stairs where I could float down them etc. These were very, very lucid and real, compared with dreams, there was really no comparison. Usually I ended up getting scared and found myself jerked back instantaneously and opening my eyes.

                                So I had the experiences before I knew it had a name and a description. I started reading occult magazines a few years later (still under 10 years) and found out others had experienced it.

                                That was a very powerful thing for me and I realised early on that consciousness was not tied to the body.

                                All bunkum you will probably say, you were having lucid dreams, but you really had to be the one to experience it and know the difference. So, all I have are my powerful memories of it which have stayed with me.

                                The difference was that within a few years from being a young kid, that involuntary experience ceased to happen. My dreams were conventional, often repetitive., the more lucid ones still did not hold a candle to the earlier experiences. So, that's why I know the difference.If you want to put any credence in this it is often said that young children are more likely to experience it early on but thanks to social conditioning, this ability fades.

                                Over the years I have tried many things, Astral Projection using breathing never worked for me. Yoga with meditation, ok I suppose but apart from stretching the body did not get much out of it.

                                In my 30's I met some interesting people who had this thing where you sat in a circle on the floor and overlapped hands, a dim light illuminated a cut crystal in the center of the circle and all you did was stare at it, beyond it, through it. Many things happened in those sessions. Without going into detail, what was extraordinary about it was nothing was said beforehand and it was only after we stopped were we asked in turn if we experienced anything. Every single time the experience was different, and it was found that it was collective, we all experienced the same thing with only slight variations.

                                More recently, the super bright spark of light that followed us up and down an allegedly haunted road (keeping pace with our car) called Bragg Road in the Big Thicket in Serratoga TX. Went back and saw it several times, and photographed it. We talked about this in 2012 and I put the pictures up on a blogspot site, it still exists: http://braggroadpics.blogspot.com/

                                So that's why I am like I am. A pretty normal guy who had some experiences and attempts to normalize, explain and rationalize them. Difficult.
                                Signature

                                Where ever you go, there you are.

                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383721].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                No need to drag this out forever...

                                But I was genuinely interested in levitating when I was a teenager. I don't mean tricks, I mean really levitating. I bought several books on it, followed the practices, and did it for a few years. Serious effort, serious study.


                                Eventually, I figured out..after a few years, that most of it was a holdover from chinese old wives tales...mixed with martial arts.


                                A slightly different subject is what I experienced. I saw my dead father stand in front of me once.[b} I really thought I was levitating once (maybe I was 17), [/b]and I have felt strong sensations in my limbs that my Kung Fu instructor insisted was "internal power..or Chi".
                                The problem was, I kept looking for better, clearer information. And I eventually learned what caused these sensations.




                                .
                                Wow, talking about the pot calling the kettle black. And you give Shane a hard time about stuff like miracles, supernatural, and ghosts... yet you are a freaking teenager thinking you can physically levitate ??

                                Maybe I thought I could at 5.... but 17 ? Damn, that's just plain embarrassing and you have no right to give Shane sh@t after this omission lol


                                And just to think all this time I just assumed your innate and natural born sensibilities were far more advanced than this.
                                Signature

                                Elvis has left the building

                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383805].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                                  Wow, talking about the pot calling the kettle black. And you give Shane a hard time about stuff like miracles, supernatural, and ghosts... yet you are a freaking teenager thinking you can physically levitate ??

                                  Maybe I thought I could at 5.... but 17 ? Damn, that's just plain embarrassing and you have no right to give Shane sh@t after this omission lol


                                  And just to think all this time I just assumed your innate and natural born sensibilities were far more advanced than this.
                                  I am no longer 17. Some of us grow out of our fantasies...and some of us don't.
                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384083].message }}
                                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                    I am no longer 17. Some of us grow out of our fantasies...and some of us don't.
                                    I remember at 7 my brother and I put on a neighborhood talent show in our parent's downstairs basement for our neighbor hod kids. And my bro would sit on this bench and had these two long wooden Rulers with shoes on the end of them. He would then take a blanket and put it over his whole torso. And then he would lift up the two long,very thick Rulers.

                                    And it looked like he was levitating. It was really cool. But even at that Age I had enough frontal lobe activity to understand there was no way it could ever be real. I remember looking at some of our 6 yr. old neighbors and how silly they looked with their mouths open in disbelief really believing he was floating

                                    I guess some people just "get" things at a younger age than others
                                    Signature

                                    Elvis has left the building

                                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384117].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                                  And just to think all this time I just assumed your innate and natural born sensibilities were far more advanced than this.
                                  What would have ever brought you to that conclusion? The only thing advanced with Claude is his dementia
                                  Signature

                                  "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384115].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author yukon
                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          I have demonstrated to myself that experiencing some of these practices shows that they are as real as the here and now reality we all experience.

                          Could you be more specific for what you've experienced?
                          Signature
                          - Shakin -
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383503].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about how all this works among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.
              You actually made that sound quite convincing. Nicely done. lol
              Signature

              "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383002].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              I only ever associate one type of Vapor when it comes to you.

              If you study this stuff, like I have, aside from the European accented chap referring to it as a pyramid type structure. There is nothing here I have not read about before. eg: The soul entering through the solar plexus, the silver chord etc. This is often seen by those who practice Astral Projection, so it's a shared observation. 'When the silver chord is severed" is also a quote from the bible of all things.

              There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about how all this works among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.
              we could have an interesting discussion about this.. but when there is one force that does not believe in anything that science can't prove..and another that believes nasa or some arm of the US government knows and is hiding the truth about this stuff ..

              claude is under the delusion there are such things as sane people in this world ..or that the world such as it is can have people who are sane .. i doubt if he was to define sanity.. you can find anyone who meets that definition ..as he listed thos condition he call vapors.. in the USA there are well over 60 percent of people taking medications to for some mental condition.. and then everyone believe in some amount of crazy shit ...and a culture that chemically tries to suppress symptoms instead of treating and curing the cause of the disease.. is essentially insane .

              This model may come up as a shared observation.. but it's a creation trying to put energy that does not have physical properties in terms of physical explanation .. there is no location for your soul or your consciousness .. even though your consciousness does express itself through the brain ..and the soul is centered more in the Vegas nerve and the heart ..the consciousness is as much a field around the body.. that effect the functioning of the body and the body affects the state of consciousness .

              there are those who study it and in the pas 6 years much as changed and there are more people learning to use energy .. and many different kinds of energy to use .. that people can't play with from certain mental state or it will destroy them or what ever sense they had for reality ..

              The times we are in require many to stop studying and observing .. and start learning how to use energies in practical ways for physical creation ..

              But i feel i might be telling you something you already know ..
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383017].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Excuse me sir, this thread is for Meta Physicists only. It's a bit more advanced than what your used too.
          Excuse me, but this thread is also only for those who have a proficient level of expertise in grammar, particularly that part appertaining to the English language.
          Signature
          Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383143].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author yukon
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            Excuse me, but this thread is also only for those who have a proficient level of expertise in grammar, particularly that part appertaining to the English language.

            Oh snap, the grammar police.
            Signature
            - Shakin -
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383147].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Tesla reporting to his assistant that he experienced a time field affect when one of his Tesla coil charges hit his arm.
    To tesla it was a time field affect....to the rest of us it would be an 'ouch'.


    Just kidding - wouldn't want any random facts messing up a good conspiracy....
    Signature

    Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382937].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Aha. No matter what things appear to be, it's all just energy. Monkey mind enjoys making a horse race out of it though.
    Signature
    Ryan Biddulph, Blogger, Author, World Traveling Digital Nomad
    If you want to become a full time blogger you can buy my eBook here
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382947].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    we are complex entity's, made up of different layers of dimensional environments, all balanced, messing about with that can produce dramatic results.
    Speak for yourself. I'm not all that complicated. One dimensional and what you see is what you get.

    It works for me.
    Signature

    "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382965].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

      Speak for yourself. I'm not all that complicated. One dimensional and what you see is what you get.

      It works for me.
      You are almost one dimensional. Lots of width, very little height...and no depth.

      I'll let myself out..
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382977].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'll let myself out..
        I have good manners. I'll lift the toilet seat.
        Signature

        "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11382996].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    You are a national treasure, and science can never keep up with you. You truly do think faster than should be physically possible.

    And I'm sure that the video (which I am not qualified to comment on) explains your ability to seemingly do the impossible.

    You positively give me the vapors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjR4SniykY


    Stop it?
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post



    The Vapors;

    the vapours (or vapors) is a reference to certain mental or physical states, such as hysteria, mania, clinical depression, bipolar disorder, lightheadedness, fainting, flush, withdrawal syndrome, mood swings, or PMS, where a sufferer lost mental focus.
    Claude jokes often write themselves....
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383010].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    So far I've got:

    • Philadelphia experiment
    • advanced souls
    • multi-dimensional environments
    • KFC and Donuts
    • Einstein and Tesla
    • vapors
    • Ryan posting some cryptic message
    • this thread is for Meta Physicists only
    • pyramid type structure
    • toilet seat
    • ignorance
    • Bugs Bunny isn't real
    • US government knows and is hiding the truth about this stuff
    • there is no location for your soul
    • straight jackets and a mental hospital
    • he was really Napoleon
    • people on the forum who may want to talk seriously about it
    Signature
    Hi
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383074].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      So far I've got:

      • Philadelphia experiment
      • advanced souls
      • multi-dimensional environments
      • KFC and Donuts
      • Einstein and Tesla
      • vapors
      • Ryan posting some cryptic message
      • this thread is for Meta Physicists only
      • pyramid type structure
      • toilet seat
      • ignorance
      • Bugs Bunny isn't real
      • US government knows and is hiding the truth about this stuff
      • there is no location for your soul
      • straight jackets and a mental hospital
      • he was really Napoleon
      • people on the forum who may want to talk seriously about it
      You missed the entire point of this thread.

      Bugs Bunny absolutely is real. There are YouTube videos of him?
      Signature
      SEO, AdWords Management, Social Media Marketing, and more.
      Get a FREE Quote.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383080].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    You are a national treasure, and science can never keep up with you. You truly do think faster than should be physically possible.

    And I'm sure that the video (which I am not qualified to comment on) explains your ability to seemingly do the impossible.

    You positively give me the vapors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAjR4SniykY

    Stop it?
    Michio Kaku: 4 things that currently break the speed of light barrier | Big Think

    That's nice, you go back to what you do best.

    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

    Aha. No matter what things appear to be, it's all just energy. Monkey mind enjoys making a horse race out of it though.
    True, Monkey mind and Chimp Mind!

    You can thank me later, Optedln.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Excuse me sir, this thread is for Meta Physicists only. It's a bit more advanced than what your used too. You are also going to have to step outside if your doing the vapors.
    Claude needs to cut down on sniffing donut icing, doesn't look good in front of customers.

    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

    Speak for yourself. I'm not all that complicated. One dimensional and what you see is what you get.

    It works for me.
    Can't argue with that.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post



    The Vapors;

    the vapours (or vapors) is a reference to certain mental or physical states, such as hysteria, mania, clinical depression, bipolar disorder, lightheadedness, fainting, flush, withdrawal syndrome, mood swings, or PMS, where a sufferer lost mental focus.
    And l am sure that Delusional Deniasm is included, but only in certain cases.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I only ever associate one type of Vapor when it comes to you.

    If you study this stuff, like I have, aside from the European accented chap referring to it as a pyramid type structure. There is nothing here I have not read about before. eg: The soul entering through the solar plexus, the silver chord etc. This is often seen by those who practice Astral Projection, so it's a shared observation. 'When the silver chord is severed" is also a quote from the bible of all things.

    There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about how all this works among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.
    True, plenty of evidence to support some of what was in the video.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    OK. I didn't see a single sentence here that sounded like it came from a sane person.

    If that gets me banned, so be it.


    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    Studied what? There isn't anything you mentioned that is remotely rational.

    Let's take your argument and replace the subject.

    How can you think that Bugs Bunny isn't real. You've never studied the subject. You ignore the videos showing that Bug Bunny is a real person. Millions of people have seen Bugs Bunny on TV. They have heard him talk. All hear the same voice. Obviously that many people couldn't see Bugs Bunny without him being real.

    You have just dis-guarded it without ever having given it a cursory glance.

    There is quite a degree of commonality and consensus about Bug Bunny being real among those who study it, just like science has it's own laws and theories.

    To refute and ridicule anything without ever having any knowledge of what it is about is the height of ignorance. and, it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not. This can apply to anything.

    Do you see how ridiculous these arguments are? Do you see how the arguments break down?

    And your sentence..."..it does not matter one jot if any of it is true or not.". Really? Well, if it doesn't matter if something is true or not..I guess everything you said...and everything Shane said... is valid.

    By the way, when I was a teenager (before my brain was done developing) I read several books on Astral projection, Chakras, Chi, Auras, and levitation. I was under the impression that somewhere...somebody actually could do at least one of these things...or at least one of these things were real. But reading the books, I found that their ideas were based on nonsense...superstition...old wives tales. And fourth grade science students would see the nonsense for what it was.

    I don't study every ridiculous claim and watch every silly video posted...for the same reason that a psychiatrist doesn't check out the story of every patient claiming to be Napoleon.
    Bugs Bunny, (Ryan's powers of observation are remarkable). Bugs Bunny is a thirty frames per second set of transparent sheets of plastic, taken from pencil sketches, and colorized with poster paints, with an ink pen outline.

    Overwhelming evidence for that, so this is a lame analogy at best.

    Also substantial evidence going back thousands of years to support the video, (near death, astral travel being some).

    Or in other words, you don't want to believe it!

    Nothing wrong with admitting that, also nothing wrong with doing biased research, but there is something wrong with knocking others who don't.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    As usual you completely missed the point. You have not read up on anything other than science and anything else that personally interests you. Anything more esoteric than that you have no interest in looking into.

    So, you have made up your mind about it in advance. You you are coming to this thread because it's (to you) fair game to have some fun with and ridicule.

    The subject matter is a little different than fishing on this thread and true, there are scant people on the forum who may want to talk seriously about it, However, your doing exactly the same thing as in the example above, just jeering in complete ignorance of the subject.

    Added: Your foray's you made into the subject that you talked about sound very superficial.
    Of course Claude does, to him this is all nonsense, and has to be, since he is 100% sure that it is.

    So let them have their little rants, just as long as it doesn't move into personal attacks!


    Here you go Claude enjoy!

    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383134].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Who else is hovering right now?
    Signature
    - Shakin -
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383139].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Who else is hovering right now?
      I've never heard it being referred to as "hovering" before. Didn't your mother tell you you'd go blind if you kept doing it?

      Or perhaps your post was directed at Claude and you misspelled "hoovering"?
      Signature
      Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383145].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    Who else is hovering right now?
    Not since l was a teenager.

    Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

    Excuse me, but this thread is also only for those who have a proficient level of expertise in grammar, particularly that part appertaining to the English language.
    Ye'a!

    But interesting video, which l have had some experience in, especially skin crawling when l come here, lol.

    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383295].message }}
  • {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383436].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      When Claude hovers he's considered a dirigible....oh the humanity!
      Whether hovering or not, he'll always be a deplorable.
      Signature
      Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383546].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        No need to drag this out forever...

        But I was genuinely interested in levitating when I was a teenager. I don't mean tricks, I mean really levitating. I bought several books on it, followed the practices, and did it for a few years. Serious effort, serious study.

        Of course, I never levitated. Not even close. In Kung Fu (at least the style I practiced), there were quite a lot of Chinese superstitions mixed in; Face reading, Feng shui, moxibustion, chants, meditation, acupuncture, chi kung, And..believe it or not...levitating.

        Many of the claims made were simply nonsense.

        But it was in my mid 20s or so that I really started studying critical thinking and how to reason well. And I realized that much of what I learned was simply not thought out. It was superstition, passed on to eager believers.

        A slightly different subject is what I experienced. I saw my dead father stand in front of me once. I really thought I was levitating once (maybe I was 17), and I have felt strong sensations in my limbs that my Kung Fu instructor insisted was "internal power..or Chi".
        The problem was, I kept looking for better, clearer information. And I eventually learned what caused these sensations.

        The cause wasn't what I thought.

        And then years later I started reading about the actual physiological changes that happen when we engage in these esoteric practices...what causes certain sensations...what makes us feel like we are out of our body...how the brain works to make us feel a deity's presence.
        Havn't tried the levitating one, but l spent years trying the OBE one, (also joined a group) without any success.

        As for the books on why it is all imaged, that is a bit like saying if a so called expert on flat Earth, writes a book and does a doc, on tv, then it is probably true. The media used add's something to the subject, but it can still be a crock,.....

        Reading 10 books on why Skeptics are skeptical, same thing, sounds like you tried the hardest things, and gave up on the lot when it didn't work.

        If you started with seeing Auras for example, (relatively easy, and l have taught a few) then your views would be quite different.


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        Eventually, in my thirties and afterward.. studying physiology and related fields, I started finding out how these effects were brought about. Part of my effects were real..and some were just me misinterpreting what was happening.
        See Claude that is the problem, you are seeing it from their perspective not from someone who has experienced this stuff.

        A shrink can rationalize Anything away, as can a nearoscientist.

        Tell a shrink that you saw a ghost, and they will immediately classify you as nuts, but if 10 people saw the same ghost, then that viewpoint starts to crumble.

        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post


        For me it started pretty young.As a kid I kept having these involuntary excursions, OOBE's to various parts of the house, I would be lying in bed and I found myself above my body looking down on it, in the attic, at the top of the stairs where I could float down them etc. These were very, very lucid and real, compared with dreams, there was really no comparison. Usually I ended up getting scared and found myself jerked back instantaneously and opening my eyes.
        Lucky duck, the closest l got to that was, waking up from a nap, looking about the room, (which was a weird, blurry black and white color) then releasing that my eyelids were closed, and opening them.

        In my 30's I met some interesting people who had this thing where you sat in a circle on the floor and overlapped hands, a dim light illuminated a cut crystal in the center of the circle and all you did was stare at it, beyond it, through it. Many things happened in those sessions. Without going into detail, what was extraordinary about it was nothing was said beforehand and it was only after we stopped were we asked in turn if we experienced anything. Every single time the experience was different, and it was found that it was collective, we all experienced the same thing with only slight variations.
        Yep, l used to belong to a similar group, that sat in a circle, more or less, and did different things.

        The interesting thing about everything we tried, whether it was channeling, or bridging dimensions, was it was a group thing.

        So 10 people in a room saw the same portal, and what came from it. No one rolled their eyes and stormed out of the room, and we all saw or sensed the same thing!

        As l said there is something to all of this.

        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383764].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          So 10 people in a room saw the same portal, and what came from it. No one rolled their eyes and stormed out of the room, and we all saw or sensed the same thing! As l said there is something to all of this.
          This is easily explainable. While it's a known fact that misery loves company, your belief only seems to validate the concept that obviously, insanity does, also.
          Signature

          "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384184].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Yep Mark that just about covers it, we have both had experiences in a room full of people but some remain unconvinced.

        Anytime we bring up group experiences, some go running for the hills, and fall back on subtle attacks or humor.

        It seems that having to save face, fear, past experiences and societal conditioning all play a part, in keeping a skeptic skeptical.

        but reality will overtake fear, so let them thrash about in the water before it drys up.

        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384161].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yep Mark that just about covers it, we have both had experiences in a room full of people but some remain unconvinced.

          Anytime we bring up group experiences, some go running for the hills,

          so let them thrash about in the water before it drys up.

          OK, I'm not sure I get this...am I running for the hills...or thrashing about in water?

          And how long can you thrash in water before it dies up? Wait a minute...do you mean that water dries up...or that it evaporates? A lake can dry up, a pond can dry up, but I have never seen water dry up.

          But if there were ever a group of people saying that they saw water dry up, I guess I'd have no choice but to believe them.

          And how deep is this water, that I need to thrash about? What if I can swim...OK...I really mean float? If I can float, why am I thrashing about? Are there sharks? Is this water anywhere near the hills I'm running for?

          So...in this metaphor...it's all water and hills? No restaurants? No buffets?

          All this running and thrashing has made me hungry.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384190].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            OK, I'm not sure I get this...am I running for the hills...or thrashing about in water?

            And how long can you thrash in water before it dies up? Wait a minute...do you mean that water dries up...or that it evaporates? A lake can dry up, a pond can dry up, but I have never seen water dry up.

            But if there were ever a group of people saying that they saw water dry up, I guess I'd have no choice but to believe them.

            And how deep is this water, that I need to thrash about? What if I can swim...OK...I really mean float? If I can float, why am I thrashing about? Are there sharks? Is this water anywhere near the hills I'm running for?

            So...in this metaphor...it's all water and hills? No restaurants? No buffets?

            All this running and thrashing has made me hungry.
            Thank you for relating the story of you'r last bath.
            Signature

            Where ever you go, there you are.

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384198].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Thank you for relating the story of you'r last bath.
              Bullshit. Claude's as afraid of bathing as he is celery.
              Signature

              Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
              Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384249].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                Bullshit. Claude's as afraid of bathing as he is celery.
                That's not what I said...I said "I will not get naked with you in the hot tub". That isn't the same as being afraid of bathing.

                And the celery thing you just made up.
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384253].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  That's not what I said...I said "I will not get naked with you in the hot tub anymore".
                  Fixed it for you.
                  Signature
                  SEO, AdWords Management, Social Media Marketing, and more.
                  Get a FREE Quote.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384254].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    Fixed it for you.
                    True. Once was enough. I got tired of Riffle swimming under the water playing "find the cave".
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384258].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      True. Once was enough. I got tired of Riffle swimming under the water playing "find the cave".
                      It should read: to plug the cave with
                      celery.
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384261].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      True. Once was enough. I got tired of Riffle swimming under the water playing "find the pickle".
                      Fixed it...
                      Signature
                      - Shakin -
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384263].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author discrat
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      TI got tired of Riffle swimming under the water playing "find the cave".
                      As Miss Terra would say..."ehwwwww" !!!
                      Signature

                      Elvis has left the building

                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384285].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  And the celery thing you just made up.
                  That thing he asked you to nibble on may have been green, but it wasn't celery.
                  Signature
                  Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384604].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Damn, you guys are are really messed up believing you can float.

          Get some help. Real help.
          Signature
          - Shakin -
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384237].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Yep Mark that just about covers it, we have both had experiences in a room full of people but some remain unconvinced.

          Anytime we bring up group experiences, some go running for the hills, and fall back on subtle attacks or humor.

          It seems that having to save face, fear, past experiences and societal conditioning all play a part, in keeping a skeptic skeptical.

          but reality will overtake fear, so let them thrash about in the water before it drys up.

          not everyone has the same reality.. or semi grasp of reality you do.. not are they willing to handle the risk of their reality getting shatter and not knowing what to believe is real..especially when you look at many who are so called conspiracy believers..or new agers..who ping pong from theory to theory or guru to guru..and drive their families away..

          the so call awakened people set a very bad example for those who are not awakened ..and tend to have lives few others want to emulate ..

          do you have there right to do that to someone.. to send them down the path of not knowing what to believe..or worse believing everything is some hoax put on.. by some elite force that is for some reason enslaving man .. and is planning a mass extermination.. or what ever you want others to believe you think is happening ..

          you are trying to wake people up from their dreams that have enough suffering.. to make people believe they live in some kind of nightmare.. foisted upon them buy forces way beyond them..

          I had a long discussion with someone who believes the have seen people turn into reptilians ..and not only are they messing with him.. they are putting in a program to exterminate most of humanity ..and that none of what is around was built by humans ..

          Iwas pointing out .. well if they are filling the food and the environment with all these chemicals and poisons to kill us ..they obvious have no intention to eat us ..

          no the mess we are in is a big mess humans have created on their own .. and no aliens are going to come down and save us with their technology ..blahh blahh blahh.. the earth will survive and a lot of the poisons will kill humans in what ever ways ..

          Unless you learn to Use the energy available and live a life that is better.. and then when people who are asleep notice .. tell them .. what you are doing ..

          people are waking up.. but trying to keep their eyes shut ..because awakening sucks ..
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384283].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            people are waking up.. but trying to keep their eyes shut ..because awakening sucks ..
            There is only one, intelligent, common-sense way to live life. EYES WIDE OPEN!
            Signature

            "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384313].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              There is only one, intelligent, common-sense way to live life. EYES on Riffle, a cave, a pickle, and celery
              Fixed that for you, compadre !
              Signature

              Elvis has left the building

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384334].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                There is only one, intelligent, common-sense way to live life. EYES on Riffle, a cave, a pickle, and celery

                Fixed that for you, compadre !

                A few more fixed comments and he'll have enough for a sandwich.
                Signature
                - Shakin -
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384338].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  A few more fixed comments and he'll have enough for a sandwich.
                  Have you tried a Riffleburger? Small yet succulent with real Goatie Cheese.

                  Available at participating branches of Whattyburger
                  Signature

                  Where ever you go, there you are.

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384365].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author discrat
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Have you tried a Riffleburger?
                    Well no. But Riffle tells me that those Claude Wienerschnitzel's are about the best Sausage he has taken. I mean eaten
                    Signature

                    Elvis has left the building

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384400].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Have you tried a Riffleburger? Small yet succulent with real Goatie Cheese.

                    Available at participating branches of Whattyburger
                    Not anymore. Once people found out that instead of a Whopper they were going to get a Flopper, we couldn't give them away.
                    Signature
                    Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384608].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Anytime we bring up group experiences, some go running for the hills, and fall back on subtle attacks or humor.
        Not often a 'group' experience when you have something happen that is way outside the norm. What you believe is YOURS - it doesn't require approval or agreement from others.

        I know what I've experienced - but it's my experience. No one else needs to believe it - I don't need to explain or justify. I don't need anyone else's approval to be comfortable with my own belief system.

        Then there's YouTube...."some remain unconvinced."....not surprising.
        Signature

        Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384180].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        This is easily explainable. While it's a known fact that misery loves company, your belief only seems to validate the concept that obviously, insanity does, also.
        Insanity, lol. If that was true then people afterwards would be driving their cars up the sidewalks or displaying psychotic behavior, (none of which l have seen)

        But if 10 people in a room see the same thing, then it has to be anything else but.

        No, a skeptic has all the bases covered, and if they don't they find some lame reason.

        I believe that covers crazy.

        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        OK, I'm not sure I get this...am I running for the hills...or thrashing about in water?

        And how long can you thrash in water before it dies up? Wait a minute...do you mean that water dries up...or that it evaporates? A lake can dry up, a pond can dry up, but I have never seen water dry up.

        But if there were ever a group of people saying that they saw water dry up, I guess I'd have no choice but to believe them.

        And how deep is this water, that I need to thrash about? What if I can swim...OK...I really mean float? If I can float, why am I thrashing about? Are there sharks? Is this water anywhere near the hills I'm running for?

        So...in this metaphor...it's all water and hills? No restaurants? No buffets?

        All this running and thrashing has made me hungry.
        Why do l believe that Homer Simpson has hijacked Claude's account?

        Hmmmmm, account.


        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        not everyone has the same reality.. or semi grasp of reality you do.. not are they willing to handle the risk of their reality getting shatter and not knowing what to believe is real..especially when you look at many who are so called conspiracy believers..or new agers..who ping pong from theory to theory or guru to guru..and drive their families away..

        the so call awakened people set a very bad example for those who are not awakened ..and tend to have lives few others want to emulate ..

        do you have there right to do that to someone.. to send them down the path of not knowing what to believe..or worse believing everything is some hoax put on.. by some elite force that is for some reason enslaving man .. and is planning a mass extermination.. or what ever you want others to believe you think is happening ..

        you are trying to wake people up from their dreams that have enough suffering.. to make people believe they live in some kind of nightmare.. foisted upon them buy forces way beyond them..

        I had a long discussion with someone who believes the have seen people turn into reptilians ..and not only are they messing with him.. they are putting in a program to exterminate most of humanity ..and that none of what is around was built by humans ..

        Iwas pointing out .. well if they are filling the food and the environment with all these chemicals and poisons to kill us ..they obvious have no intention to eat us ..

        no the mess we are in is a big mess humans have created on their own .. and no aliens are going to come down and save us with their technology ..blahh blahh blahh.. the earth will survive and a lot of the poisons will kill humans in what ever ways ..

        Unless you learn to Use the energy available and live a life that is better.. and then when people who are asleep notice .. tell them .. what you are doing ..

        people are waking up.. but trying to keep their eyes shut ..because awakening sucks ..
        And on an equal note, should l just allow someone to live out the rest of their lives, then come back for another round, or several?

        Higher realms have rules, as does any balanced and peaceful societal structure, so we come down here for specific reasons and to achieve certain things, intimately to achieve the big one.

        But maybe you have a point, just let someone who doesn't want to believe a word of it, and are, or seem to be happy, be. All paths lead to full realization.

        My definition of insanity is seeing clear, and obvious evidence, then dismissing it in any way possible.

        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384366].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Insanity, lol. If that was true then people afterwards would be driving their cars up the sidewalks or displaying psychotic behavior, (none of which l have seen)
          No they wouldn't.

          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          My definition of insanity is seeing clear, and obvious evidence, then dismissing it in any way possible.
          Everyone else's definition is seeing what you want to see and believing it to be evidence, then dismissing reality in any way possible.

          It must get awful lonely for a genius like you to have to do with lesser mortals like us. Shouldn't you be out seeking people who are as gifted as you and not having to bother with plebs like us? And why do the words Dunning and Kruger keep popping up in my head every time you post anything on metaphysics?

          Or are you another example of that other definition of insanity, you know the one about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting it to turn out differently?
          Signature
          Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384607].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            No they wouldn't.


            Everyone else's definition is seeing what you want to see and believing it to be evidence, then dismissing reality in any way possible.

            It must get awful lonely for a genius like you to have to do with lesser mortals like us. Shouldn't you be out seeking people who are as gifted as you and not having to bother with plebs like us? And why do the words Dunning and Kruger keep popping up in my head every time you post anything on metaphysicals.

            Or are you another example of that other definition of insanity, you know the one about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting it to turn out differently?
            Dunning Kruger effect....


            But the Dunning Kruger effect is talking about incompetent people having the illusion that they are the smartest people in the room.....because nobody else in the room takes them seriously......and they tend to say things like "Not just smart...but genius...and a stable genius at that".

            They also think that they are experts on science subjects, after watching a Youtube video. And they universally use the term "quantum physics" without knowing what it means...and they use the word "dimensions" thinking it means something entirely different from the scientific definition.

            I'm not sure how any of that applies here.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384609].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            No they wouldn't.


            Everyone else's definition is seeing what you want to see and believing it to be evidence, then dismissing reality in any way possible.

            It must get awful lonely for a genius like you to have to do with lesser mortals like us. Shouldn't you be out seeking people who are as gifted as you and not having to bother with plebs like us? And why do the words Dunning and Kruger keep popping up in my head every time you post anything on metaphysicals.

            Or are you another example of that other definition of insanity, you know the one about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting it to turn out differently?
            Why do you bother?
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384612].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Why do you bother?
              I keep asking myself the same question, as I'm sure you do whenever one of these threads appears.
              Signature
              Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384621].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Everyone else's definition is seeing what you want to see and believing it to be evidence, then dismissing reality in any way possible.
                Like NASA saying that there is a 50% chance of microbes living in martian soil?

                It must get awful lonely for a genius like you to have to do with lesser mortals like us. Shouldn't you be out seeking people who are as gifted as you and not having to bother with plebs like us? And why do the words Dunning and Kruger keep popping up in my head every time you post anything on metaphysics?
                I am not dealing with, members such as yourself, you don't have to respond to this thread at all, just seeking out like minded individuals who want to discuss this.

                I have counted 4 so far, three that have thanked me, so l guess that you can't use the "You are the only one".... remark!

                Or are you another example of that other definition of insanity, you know the one about doing the same thing over and over again but expecting it to turn out differently?



                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                You mean "ultimately to achieve the big one".

                Would you like me to explain what this mistake in word selection means? What it is evidence of?
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Your mission is fulfilled, In your earthly body you have already achieved the big one.
                I will second that.

                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                well there really is no definition of sane ..or no one meet your definition of not insane ..

                well see it matters what the people around you believe.. or of they are dumping the stories of the crappy stuff happening to them on you.. then you could start pointing out this stuff.. as i said i have more than enough people just show up around me who already have some belief in these areas .. to what ever extreme.. it is a waste of my energy to look for people who don't believe in any of it and try to get them to see ..
                if people are going to wake up stuff will happen in their lives to put them on the path.. you are lucky in the times we live the people who want to stay asleep are not able to drag you into a mob of them and kill you in some painful manor
                True, just annoyed that evidence should mean acceptance not something else!

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384684].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  Like NASA saying that there is a 50% chance of microbes living in martian soil?

                  You are saying that NASA is saying that there is a 50% chance that microbes are currently living on Mars.

                  I know you would never say something like that without evidence. Could you find me a link to a NASA site that states this?
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384694].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    You are saying that NASA is saying that there is a 50% chance that microbes are currently living on Mars.

                    I know you would never say something like that without evidence. Could you find me a link to a NASA site that states this?

                    NASA Announcement: Mars Rover Found Organic Material, Methane | Fortune


                    Signature

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384698].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      The question was "currently," not, "previously." Nice try, though.
                      Signature

                      "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384702].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      OK, I admit that you posted a link about methane found on Mars.

                      And it included some information. What it did not include at all is any statement remotely (and I watched the video to make sure I wouldn't miss something) close to ..

                      "NASA saying that there is a 50% chance of microbes living in martian soil".
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384732].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        OK, I admit that you posted a link about methane found on Mars.

                        And it included some information. What it did not include at all is any statement remotely (and I watched the video to make sure I wouldn't miss something) close to ..

                        "NASA saying that there is a 50% chance of microbes living in martian soil".
                        If there are microbes living in the Martian soil then there's 100% chance that they have the farts
                        Signature

                        Where ever you go, there you are.

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384740].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        OK, I admit that you posted a link about methane found on Mars.

                        And it included some information. What it did not include at all is any statement remotely (and I watched the video to make sure I wouldn't miss something) close to ..

                        "NASA saying that there is a 50% chance of microbes living in martian soil".
                        And here's a link that they found giant methane storms on Uranus.

                        Giant methane storms on Uranus
                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384770].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          And here's a link that there are giant methane storms on Uranus.

                          Giant methane storms on Uranus
                          claude did say he achieved something that felt like levitation .. so he might have expertise on these giant methane storms
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384773].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          And here's a link that they found giant methane storms on Uranus.

                          Giant methane storms on Uranus
                          The fact that Uranus is phonetically the same as Your Anus....will always be as funny as the first time anyone has heard it.

                          It never gets old. Never

                          No matter how many times we hear it.

                          Incredibly funny.
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384793].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            The fact that Uranus is phonetically the same as Your Anus....will always be as funny as the first time anyone has heard it.

                            It never gets old. Never

                            No matter how many times we hear it.

                            Incredibly funny.
                            It's even funnier when giant methane storms are on Uranus.
                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384818].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              It's even funnier when giant methane storms are on Uranus.
                              Fun Astronomical facts..

                              John Mcenroe could not believe what the brightest star in the sky at night was called. He said: "Surely you cannot be Sirius"


                              Sir William Herschel discovered Uranus in his backyard in Slough Berkshire (my home town) Proof that it was a lot smaller in those days.

                              People used to think the moon was made of cream cheese. That theory has been proven to be full of holes so it must be Edam

                              If you look into the night sky you can look back in time and see things the way they were anything from a few seconds ago to millions of years. If you look at the Sweeper Store with it's owner working inside, you can see it exactly as it was a second before you hit the detonator.

                              Many people are once again starting the think that the Earth is flat, but we are hoping that they may eventually come around
                              Signature

                              Where ever you go, there you are.

                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384854].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


                  True, just annoyed that evidence should mean acceptance not something else!

                  why do you insit on hold the faulty belief that humans chose what they believe based on fact, evidence ..or anything provable ..

                  Claude is the only such human being to claim to be such a person..

                  unless people have a seriously traumatic even that make them question most of what they believe..they will tend to cherry pick from facts or so called different sources of evidence .. to back up their current core beliefs and views . at leat the ones they state publicly and repeatedly .

                  it is easy enough to see that at play in this thread
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384767].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    why do you insit on hold the faulty belief that humans chose what they believe based on fact, evidence ..or anything provable ..
                    Actually, we never choose what to believe. We believe whatever we accept to be true. Usually, it's the first thing we hear on a subject...usually from an authority figure. And then it's accepted as fact.

                    But we can't choose what to believe in the same way we can't really choose what to hear from those around us.

                    and...while I'm listening to myself talk....

                    It's incredibly hard to know what is the truth. None of us know enough to be absolutely certain that something is true. And reason and rational thinking only helps based on what we "know", and the validity of what we "know"

                    On the other hand, it's far easier to know when something is not true at all. To know if something is nonsense, you don't have to know everything about a subject. You just have to know how the structure of a good argument works..

                    If you think something is true, sometimes you don't have to prove that it isn't true..you just have to show that the reason someone thinks it's true is based on faulty reasoning.

                    And so far, that's always been the case on threads like this.
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384776].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Actually, we never choose what to believe. We believe whatever we accept to be true. Usually, it's the first thing we hear on a subject...usually from an authority figure. And then it's accepted as fact.

                      But we can't choose what to believe in the same way we can't really choose what to hear.

                      and...while I'm listening to myself talk....

                      It's incredibly hard to know what is the truth. None of us know enough to be absolutely certain that something is true. And reason and rational thinking only helps based on what we "know", and the validity of what we "know"

                      On the other hand, it's far easier to know when something is not true at all. To know if something is nonsense, you don't have to know everything about a subject. You just have to know how the structure of a good argument works..

                      If you think something is true, sometimes you don't have to prove that it isn't true..you just have to show that the reason someone thinks it's true is based on faulty reasoning.

                      And so far, that's always been the case on threads like this.
                      considering how often people who belief one thing on a subject believe about the same thing across several other subjects that as other people . beliefs are definitely less about choice and about where someone is in their state of understanding .. or lack of understanding .

                      if you believe there is such a thing as a strong argument .. between two people .. and not about convincing onlookers or viewers .. when someone has invested part of their identity in a belief they hold ..as i told shane.. no strong argument will make a person question such a belief in themself.. but traumatic events in life ..can have that reaction ..

                      but then again sometimes surviving a heart attack won't even change someones belief on what they eat and needing to lose weight.. they just go back to eating the way they did before ..while others will change everything they do ..

                      people can have their stupid beliefs it is when they try to put through stupid laws that make everyone adhere to those beliefs or face penalties..that you need to step in the way
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384797].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                        but then again sometimes surviving a heart attack won't even change someones belief on what they eat and needing to lose weight.. they just go back to eating the way they did before ..while others will change everything they do ..
                        As a survivor of 2 heart attacks, currently living with congestive heart failure and happily on my 3rd pacemaker/defibrillator, I maintain that finding a happy medium is the secret. Remember, there is a large distinction between living and being alive.

                        I will never be content with just being alive.

                        Signature

                        "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384839].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author yukon
                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          As a survivor of 2 heart attacks, currently living with congestive heart failure and happily on my 3rd pacemaker/defibrillator, I maintain that finding a happy medium is the secret. Remember, there is a large distinction between living and being alive.

                          I will never be content with just being alive.




                          Did you bake that bread?
                          Signature
                          - Shakin -
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384841].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                            Did you bake that bread?
                            No. We have Italian bakers for that. Baking is something I don't do.
                            Signature

                            "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384853].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author yukon
                              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                              No. We have Italian bakers for that. Baking is something I don't do.

                              Lmao, just messing with you.

                              Don't go Betty Crocker on us.
                              Signature
                              - Shakin -
                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384865].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          Nice looking Philly Chese Steak !!
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384851].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                            Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                            Nice looking Philly Chese Steak !!
                            Chipped rib eye. Yummy!!!
                            Signature

                            "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384879].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          As a survivor of 2 heart attacks, currently living with congestive heart failure and happily on my 3rd pacemaker/defibrillator, I maintain that finding a happy medium is the secret. Remember, there is a large distinction between living and being alive.

                          I will never be content with just being alive.

                          i fully agree .. and eating that is not bad for you ..maybe if a person eats that several times a week or rotates through those kinds of option..

                          I saw my father do that ..his nurse literally fired him because he washaving what should have been a 1 a week cheat meal .. every few days a few months after having his first heart attack at christmas dinner.. then he had a second about 2 years later.. because he just stopped taking his insulin ..and his blood turned to syrup ..i got him into the hospital just in time for that one .. because i had seen him have the heart attack at christmas ..

                          i was primary caregiver for both my mom and dad the last few years of there lives at the same time ..but they where together over 40 years (fighting every day of it) and apart a little over 4 months ..

                          It is a pretty alien concept in my family to actually take care of ones health.. by changing behavior ..but my parent made it to 75 (mom)and 80 (dad)..but they didn't get overweight until their 50's and didn't get diabetes until the last 10 years of their lives and developed it about the same time ..

                          there is a difference between living a little and eating food that actually tastes good verses the food the is doctored to taste good with artificial flavors and chemicals ...or natural flavors that come from unmentionable glands in various animals bodies ,, hah i was in food processing for 9 almost 10 years ... so it interesting how it is done .

                          getting back to energy i am big into infusing food i cook with my energy so it taste real good .. it surprised my family when i started to cook when my mom when into physical rehab around the holiday.. but i may love cooking .. but i have no desire to turn that into a carreer or open a restaurant at this stage ..

                          I do feel if i learn how to grow food i can infuse energy into it as i grow it then pass that on to people to prepare as they will.. but that is for when i get through this part of my journey in the desert .. haha
                          it is really interesting to watch claude and shane fail to convince each other ..
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385345].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              [DELETED]
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384656].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                I consistent ask you the same thing, so STFU.

                Cheers.
                I actually asked "Why do you bother" as a jab at Riffle.

                I would jab at you, but I'm afraid you might explode.
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384669].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  I would jab at you, but I'm afraid you might explode.
                  The hazards of having a needle d***.
                  Signature

                  "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384672].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Why do you bother?
              Because it's quite obvious that people like you and others get some kind of semi-warped gratification in doing it.

              Is Shane a little bit bonkers ?? Sure, I think he will be the first to tell you that.

              But after 5 or 6 years you wouldn't be doing this over and over and over again saying how crazy he is and how ridicolous his Posts are ( for the 1,200 time) unless you were not getting something out of it.

              So next time just be "Real "and don't say the above phrase... when it's obvious you love every chance you get to partake in the dialogue that you do have with Shane.
              Signature

              Elvis has left the building

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384847].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Higher realms have rules, as does any balanced and peaceful societal structure, so we come down here for specific reasons and to achieve certain things, intimately to achieve the big one.
          You mean "ultimately to achieve the big one".

          Would you like me to explain what this mistake in word selection means? What it is evidence of?
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384634].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You mean "ultimately to achieve the big one".

            Would you like me to explain what this mistake in word selection means? What it is evidence of?
            Your mission is fulfilled, In your earthly body you have already achieved the big one.
            Signature

            Where ever you go, there you are.

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384652].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            OK, I admit that you posted a link about methane found on Mars.

            And it included some information. What it did not include at all is any statement remotely (and I watched the video to make sure I wouldn't miss something) close to ..

            "NASA saying that there is a 50% chance of microbes living in martian soil".
            True, not a direct quote, but all of the news stations in AU, said something along those lines.of Some said a 50% chance and others said, possibility of life on Mars.

            Large amounts of methane going into space from Mars surface means something is happening to do that.

            If it is some unknown process or volcanic, then it would be consistent, but since it changes with the seasons it is strongly moving in the direction of something living.

            So much for warping the blatenly obvious!

            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Because it's quite obvious that people like you and others get some kind of semi-warped gratification in doing it.

            Is Shane a little bit bonkers ?? Sure, I think he will be the first to tell you that.

            But after 5 or 6 years you wouldn't be doing this over and over and over again saying how crazy he is and how ridicolous his Posts are ( for the 1,200 time) unless you were not getting something out of it.

            So next time just be "Real "and don't say the above phrase... when it's obvious you love every chance you get to partake in the dialogue that you do have with Shane.
            Bonkers, no, just ahead of my time.

            And true Claude does take a few stabs, but at least he acts in a civilized manner, others just want to attack in one way or another in the hopes that this thread will be closed.

            As l said a while ago, l also belong to another forum, (no, not that one) that has at least half a dozen trolls from hell.

            And l have dealt with them on more than one occasion, which was good training, and also demanding.

            Half a dozen members here have said how great it is that l posted this, which also warrants further discussions!

            It is as simple as that, if you are not interested then don't click on this thread, if you are then do so.

            At least l can understand now where Taylor, Dodge and Landon were coming from.

            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384898].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author yukon
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Bonkers, no, just ahead of my time.


              Signature
              - Shakin -
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384905].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              It's interesting that despite the fact that you claim NASA is involved in some massive conspiracy to cover up the "truth", you use them as evidence to support another of your claims. even when it does no such thing.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Bonkers, no, just ahead of my time.
              We have officially reached the peak. Or should that be rock bottom?

              My final thoughts on this is I also find it fascinating that you claim that some people support you. At least one of them is actively taking the piss out of you, and you have thanked him for doing it. I would've thought that someone with your superior intellect combined with psychic abilities would've been able to detect sarcasm. Apparently not. Which I guess is proof beyond all reasonable doubt that your self proclaimed levels of genius and psychic ability are nowhere near the levels you believe they are.
              Signature
              Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384912].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              True, not a direct quote, but all of the news stations in AU, said something along those lines.of Some said a 50% chance and others said, possibility of life on Mars.
              But not NASA. It wasn't just "Not a direct quote"...it wasn't what NASA said at all.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Large amounts of methane going into space from Mars surface means something is happening to do that.
              Yes. but "something is happening to do that" applies to virtually anything that happens ever, anywhere, at any time. It's a throwaway line that means nothing.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              If it is some unknown process or volcanic, then it would be consistent,
              Why? Why would it be consistent?. Shane, this is an example of what I mean when I say "poor reasoning". If it's volcanic, why would it be consistent? There is no connection at all. And if it's an unknown process...there is no relationship to consistency.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              but since it changes with the seasons it is strongly moving in the direction of something living.
              No. What it means is that the compound Methane isn't evenly spread around the planet. And no compound or element is spread evenly across any planet. Ancient geological (or present) activity creates pockets and layers of these compounds an elements. That's why gold, silver, and water isn't evenly distributed on Earth. Geology creates concentrations and pockets. Yes, living creatures produce Methane....but there is methane on nearly every planet. It's an extremely common compound. It's produced naturally. It's the simplest alkaloid to make.

              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              ok, how about you tell everyone here where huge volumes of methane from Mars is coming from?????
              Earth's atmosphere has about 1,800 parts per billion of methane. On Mars, the levels of methane range from 0.2 to about 0.7 parts per billion. Almost nothing...and almost no change. And that's in an atmosphere only 1% as dense as Earths...so about .00000028% as much Methane as in Earths atmosphere.

              Shane; So far, every real sample of Mars soil has been 100% sterile. Why? Because radiation and lack of any magnetic field...sterilizes the planet. And it has been sterilized constantly for billions of years. See, the soil sample tests? That's evidence.

              You said "strongly moving in the direction of something living". No. A bad conclusion based on supposition and wishful thinking.

              You talk a lot about evidence. All evidence...real evidence...points to a sterile planet with a wisp of Methane. In fact, every other planet in the solar system has far more methane except Mercury..which is literally a core remnant of a much larger planet.

              And every planet that isn't tidally locked with their Sun has seasons...either from planetary tilt or an eccentric orbit, or both.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385161].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                But not NASA. It wasn't just "Not a direct quote"...it wasn't what NASA said at all.

                No. What it means is that the compound Methane isn't evenly spread around the planet. And no compound or element is spread evenly across any planet. Ancient geological (or present) activity creates pockets and layers of these compounds an elements. That's why gold, silver, and water isn't evenly distributed on Earth. Geology creates concentrations and pockets. Yes, living creatures produce Methane....but there is methane on nearly every planet. It's an extremely common compound. It's produced naturally. It's the simplest alkaloid to make.


                Earth's atmosphere has about 1,800 parts per billion of methane. On Mars, the levels of methane range from 0.2 to about 0.7 parts per billion. Almost nothing...and almost no change. And that's in an atmosphere only 1% as dense as Earths...so about .00000028% as much Methane as in Earths atmosphere.

                Shane; So far, every real sample of Mars soil has been 100% sterile. Why? Because radiation and lack of any magnetic field...sterilizes the planet. And it has been sterilized constantly for billions of years. See, the soil sample tests? That's evidence.

                You said "strongly moving in the direction of something living". No. A bad conclusion based on supposition and wishful thinking.

                You talk a lot about evidence. All evidence...real evidence...points to a sterile planet with a wisp of Methane. In fact, every other planet in the solar system has far more methane except Mercury..which is literally a core remnant of a much larger planet.

                And every planet that isn't tidally locked with their Sun has seasons...either from planetary tilt or an eccentric orbit, or both.
                Lol, l guess that you know more about this than this guy from NASA JPL, that says 95% of methane produced on Earth comes from plants and animals.

                And a lot of it is being produced on Mars, and changes with the seasons, which increases the odd's of it being organic.

                As the guy said we found ancient organics a few cm,s down, and may find living ones further down.




                NASA found ancient organic molecules, and it sounds like you are saying that they could not exist underground at this time, eventhough the expert above say otherwise.

                And as l said before Mars does have a magnetic field!

                And from what the expert said above their is a 95% chance that the methane is coming from living systems.

                Thankyou!

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385202].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  And from what the expert said above their is a 95% chance that the methane is coming from living systems.

                  Thankyou!

                  No. He didn't say anything remotely close to that. He didn't even hint at it.

                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  NASA found ancient organic molecules, and it sounds like you are saying that they could not exist underground at this time, even though the expert above say otherwise.
                  Shane...All planets have organic molecules in huge abundance. It just means that the elements that are in organisms are also on the planet...Hydrogen is by far the most abundant element in the universe...and it's an organic molecule.

                  Methane is an organic molecule as well, and I already posted..in the very last post, the amount of methane on Earth, and the amount on Mars.

                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  As the guy said we found ancient organics a few cm,s down,
                  Organic molecules..not organisms. An organic molecule is simply an element that also occurs in living things. Oxygen, Hydrogen, and Carbon are elements...and also the organic molecules. They occur on every planet in abundance. Methane is a simple combination of Carbon and Hydrogen. In fact all organic compounds are simple combinations of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. And none of them are living..or ever were.

                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  and may find living ones further down.
                  No, he didn't say that at all. He wondered what they might find. He never mention living anything.
                  You...just...made...it...up.


                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  NASA found ancient organic molecules, and it sounds like you are saying that they could not exist underground at this time, eventhough the expert above say otherwise.
                  Shane; Organic molecules....they were never living things. These are molecules of elements...they were never alive.

                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  And as l said before Mars does have a magnetic field!
                  No. Google it. No magnetic field. Just Google "Mars magnetic field" and read the first few entries.

                  Here..first entry....

                  Mars lacks a magnetosphere, which poses challenges for mitigating solar radiation and retaining an atmosphere. It is thought that the localized fields detected on Mars are remnants of a magnetosphere that collapsed early in its history. The lack of a magnetosphere is thought to be one reason for Mars's thin atmosphere.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385241].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You mean "ultimately to achieve the big one".

            Would you like me to explain what this mistake in word selection means? What it is evidence of?
            This is probably as close as l will get, without a 700ml bottle of Jack Daniels on standby?


            I know you are the one on the left, lol.

            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384901].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post


            I wouldn't buy that for a dollar.


            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            It's interesting that despite the fact that you claim NASA is involved in some massive conspiracy to cover up the "truth", you use them as evidence to support another of your claims. even when it does no such thing.
            Lol, yes they have hidden a few,....things, but they are also very slowly coming clean.

            Does no such thing, ok, how about you tell everyone here where huge volumes of methane from Mars is coming from?????

            And how the source changes with the seasons???

            And you should also contact all of the commercial tv stations in Australia, who said something similar, to what l said!


            We have officially reached the peak. Or should that be rock bottom?

            My final thoughts on this is I also find it fascinating that you claim that some people support you. At least one of them is actively taking the piss out of you, and you have thanked him for doing it. I would've thought that someone with your superior intellect combined with psychic abilities would've been able to detect sarcasm. Apparently not. Which I guess is proof beyond all reasonable doubt that your self proclaimed levels of genius and psychic ability are nowhere near the levels you believe they are.
            And he was doing it in a light hearted, humorous way, l can take a joke, but not an attack!

            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384927].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author yukon
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              I wouldn't buy that for a dollar.

              This one is on the house.
              Signature
              - Shakin -
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384931].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                This one is on the house.
                I hope that l get a free beer as well?



                Ok, found this fascinating video that is reasonably connected with the subject matter, and is worth watching even if you are not into New Age.

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384932].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author yukon
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              And he was doing it in a light hearted, humorous way, l can take a joke, but not an attack!



              Signature
              - Shakin -
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384933].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post


                I have already sent Claude's in the mail!

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385015].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Signature

            Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385180].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            it would be consistent

            Two words: Chaos Theory
            Signature

            Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385184].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Odahh I'm telling you this because you are relatively new to the fraternity..

            "it is really interesting to watch claude and shane fail to convince each other"

            I have had years (since 2012) to study how Shane & Claude think.

            Shane is a bit all over the place with his claims and an easy target, he needs discipline to get anything accross

            Claude will only accept anything that is accepted as mainstream science, ratified, published in the journals, the text books and authoritative works, backed up demonstrable, repeatable experiments as evidence.

            He hates and rejects the following statements:

            I point out that there have been millions of ghost sightings since man began to record history. It is statistically impossible not to say that at least a small amount of them are not due to madness, self delusion or misinterpretation etc and are exactly what you are seeing. Therefore, the subject is worthy of study. However, the subject (aside from a few early photos before cgi) is mostly subjective, intangible and not observable by scientific instruments.

            Claude does not accept that the collective, subjective experience of millions of perfectly sane people amounts to or can be called anything in the way of evidence.

            The same applies to UFO's, hundreds of thousands of sightings, recordings on radar, early photographs, credible witnesses, Air Force personnel even, who know full well that the maneuvers and sharp turns these craft make are not something the human race has and without some kind of inertial safeguards would mash humans into the walls of the craft due to the acceleration.

            Claude has put up some very good arguments as to why it is unlikely that any other life could exist in the Universe, stuff like our goldilocks distance from the sun, the stabilizing influence of the moons circular orbit and our protective magnetic field and atmosphere. Sure, it must be rare.

            Yet, the Ghost Sightings go on as do the UFO ones.

            Claude says, there is no argument, I say stalemate.

            I just can't agree to brush these things under the carpet that have affected so many sane people over our time here. Despite what science says.

            As for any life on Mars, if there is some, it's much more likely to be underground, where there may be water and is somewhat protected from the harsh sterile conditions of the surface
            Signature

            Where ever you go, there you are.

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385356].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post


              Claude will only accept anything that is accepted as mainstream science, ratified, published in the journals, the text books and authoritative works, backed up demonstrable, repeatable experiments as evidence.

              I point out that there have been millions of ghost sightings since man began to record history. It is statistically impossible not to say that at least a small amount of them are not due to madness, self delusion or misinterpretation etc and are exactly what you are seeing

              Claude does not accept that the collective, subjective experience of millions of perfectly sane people amounts to or can be called anything in the way of evidence.
              Why do you even bother ??
              Signature

              Elvis has left the building

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385389].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Claude will only accept anything that is accepted as mainstream science, ratified, published in the journals, the text books and authoritative works, backed up demonstrable, repeatable experiments as evidence.e
              Yikes. I never realized that Claude and I think so much alike.

              Time to reevaluate my way of thinking on everything about life.

              Scary!
              Signature

              "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385557].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                i have been subscribed to teal for many years.. but what a video of hers ever few month.. when she doesn't look to baked.. not saying she does drugs..just don't see a point in having to sound like you are high ..to talk about deep spiritual stuff
                High, l havn't seem signs of that, but she has been through the ringer, which is no surprize considering the prevailing psychoses penetrating the planet.

                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                The insane people are really the normal people?
                Lol, no insane can chop up half a dozen children, etc, and sleep like a baby that night.

                Sane may in a fit of rage, etc will murder one person and be wracked by guilt for ever more.

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385756].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  Lol, no insane can chop up half a dozen children, etc, and sleep like a baby that night.

                  Sane may in a fit of rage, etc will murder one person and be wracked by guilt for ever more.

                  That's terrible.

                  Mentally, what's the difference between people snapping and people experiencing things that don't happen to the average person?
                  Signature
                  - Shakin -
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385758].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    That's terrible.

                    Mentally, what's the difference between people snapping and people experiencing things that don't happen to the average person?
                    Most have an ugly childhood, and some like the guy that l read about, who got sick and tired of his sex change wife, (had operations, etc) decided to chop her up, discard the unusable bits and cook the rest, (no seriously, he was a chef).

                    The neigbours noticed a weird smell coming from his rubbish, and alerted the police, that came to his door a few days later.

                    This guy was wracked with guilt and remorse, but had to live with it, and was irrational most of the time.

                    I believe that he also considered suicide more than once.

                    Someone like Bundy, kill for the sake of it, but if asked, he would be able to justify it all.

                    Signature

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385768].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  High, l havn't seem signs of that, but she has been through the ringer, which is no surprize considering the prevailing psychoses penetrating the planet.



                  Lol, no insane can chop up half a dozen children, etc, and sleep like a baby that night.
                  :
                  Soooo....how many children do you have.....left?
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385992].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Soooo....how many children do you have.....left?
                Bravo, (clap, clap) masterfully played. I say, "l don't have any" and you have the perfect opening for a comeback.

                Probably related to digging mass graves during a rainstorm at night and turbocharging the furnace?

                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                If we could all just get along that would be great. - Bill Lumbergh


                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386028].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Far worse has been posted by others before hand.

                I've never had a problem with any of the mods or the job they do until they made one member here a mod.

                It was obvious that power, real or perceived, would go to his or her head. I've had private conversations with some of the long standing and more sensible mods and they weren't overly thrilled about his or her promotion either.

                This one mod is completely lacking in the ability to take criticism of any sort, plus he or she is too narrow minded to deal with people who have a far broader range of experience than he or she does.

                Still, I remain optimistic that everything will work out for the best in the end. It might be a rocky road getting there though.

                In closing, I tip my hat to the other mods who have always done, and continue to do a sterling job of keeping this ship afloat. Long may they prosper.
                First question, yes you had the worst remark on this thread.

                Personal attacks, bullying and condescending comments won't be tolerated here!



                And second if l couldn't handle constructive criticism, l wouldn't be answering this.

                As for the rest is sounds more like FL/Mod bashing, or criticizing their judgement?

                As l said before, not advisable.


                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I just got an e-mail telling me that one of my posts on this thread was deleted because "Quoting link in post " I was quoting Wikipedia. (if I remember the post)

                Yeah, I've never had a complaint before. Always been treated fairly, even when it went against me.

                Shane; Really, we're done.

                added later: I can't find which post was deleted. It wasn't the one I thought. So since I don't know which post it was....and accusing someone without all the facts is wrong...ignore what I just said.
                No problems Claude, and ok, let's cut the crap l am a mod, and have been for some time.


                Quite a few posts have been deleted from this thread, l was responsible for a very small number, and only deleted when it went into personal attack, etc territory.

                Your post was not one of them.

                So when l post gets deleted it could be any number of individuals doing it, not exclusively one person.

                Thank you.

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386119].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  So when l post gets deleted it could be any number of individuals doing it, not exclusively one person.
                  It's a shame the the person doing it doesn't have the courage or integrity to identify themselves. When we don't know who the lousy mods are, you can't be upset if you are all painted with a broad brush.
                  Signature

                  "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386124].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    It's a shame the the person doing it doesn't have the courage or integrity to identify themselves. When we don't know who the lousy mods are, you can't be upset if you are all painted with a broad brush.
                    In the OT identifying which mod deletes posts isn't that big of a deal. However, in the other forums where there's a number of spam and blackhat type posts, it can put a mod in a bit of danger where some folks may be a little vengeful.
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386146].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      In the OT identifying which mod deletes posts isn't that big of a deal. However, in the other forums where there's a number of spam and blackhat type posts, it can put a mod in a bit of danger where some folks may be a little vengeful.
                      What are they going to do, hunt them down and burn them at the stake? C'mon!

                      It's easy to find excuses to not do things. That doesn't make not doing them the proper course of action.

                      Regardless of what your work product is, if you're proud of what you're doing, put your name on it. Hiding behind anonymity is for people that don't take pride in what they are doing.

                      If given the option, I would never hide my identity in any post I have ever made, here or anywhere else.
                      Signature

                      "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386151].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post


                        If given the option, I would never hide my identity in any post I have ever made, here or anywhere else.
                        Your birth name is OptedIn?
                        Signature

                        Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
                        Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386157].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                          Your birth name is OptedIn?

                          At least he was born. For the first two years you were alive, your family thought you were a hamster named Skippy.
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386170].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                          Your birth name is OptedIn?
                          You don't know who I am? Are you new, here?

                          With that said, I meant that I would never make a post and hide my username, but you knew that. lol You're just being claudaceous. For shame!
                          Signature

                          "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386175].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            You don't know who I am? Are you new, here?
                            Oh, I know who you are. It's one of the crosses I bear.
                            Signature

                            Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
                            Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386186].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                              Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                              Oh, I know who you are. It's one of the crosses I bear.
                              Be honest. It's one of the joys of your life. You're no different than anyone else. :-)
                              Signature

                              "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386196].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        What are they going to do, hunt them down and burn them at the stake? C'mon!
                        I'd hate to get swatted because some punk didn't like me deleting his Viagra spam.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
                        Signature

                        Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
                        Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386159].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                          Let me also add...if you go to the Main forum you don't see the entire story. I'd guess 80-90% or more new threads are spam or some other type of BS. You guys only see the non-spam threads we approve. Multiple the number of threads you see by a factor of 9 and that's how many threads the mods are deleting. Chances are over time someone is going to hold a grudge.


                          If a mod deletes a thread, other mods see who deleted it and we hold each other responsible.
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386193].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                            If a mod deletes a thread, other mods see who deleted it and we hold each other responsible.
                            So - are you saying that you have called another mod out on their behavior? Just curious.
                            Signature

                            "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386202].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                              So - are you saying that you have called another mod out on their behavior? Just curious.
                              It's none of your business.
                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386229].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                So - are you saying that you have called another mod out on their behavior? Just curious.
                                It's none of your business.

                                Lmao, being transparent didn't last very long.

                                Hilarious.
                                Signature
                                - Shakin -
                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386240].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                                  Lmao, being transparent didn't last very long.

                                  Hilarious.
                                  Private mod discussions aren't open for public discussion.


                                  And this thread is a perfect example of why many issues concerning moderating should not be discussed.. No matter what a mod says, multiple people will disagree and keep it going.
                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386251].message }}
                                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
                                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                    Private mod discussions aren't open for public discussion.


                                    And this thread is a perfect example of why many issues concerning moderating should not be discussed.. No matter what a mod says, multiple people will disagree and keep it going.


                                    Ok, I get it, selective transparency.

                                    Remember mod transparency was your idea and you started the subject conversation in this thread.
                                    Signature
                                    - Shakin -
                                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386270].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                It's none of your business.
                                I'll take that as a, "no."
                                Signature

                                "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386272].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                          If a mod deletes a thread, other mods see who deleted it and we hold each other responsible.

                          That's very true -and at times we question decisions and explain ourselves. Not a bad system and I agree with Kurt - members have no idea how much spam is deleted every day before it goes 'live'.



                          But, that's a redirection in this thread. Mods have rules they observe and we don't moderate our own threads or threaten members with our 'status'. It's not ok.
                          Signature

                          Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386204].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                          By all means, let's 'cut the crap'....

                          Seven posts were deleted from this thread - tagiscom deleted FOUR of them.

                          It's not a suggestion - the rule that was recently reinforced by Gab is that mods do NOT moderate or manipulate their own threads.

                          Another rule is that mods do not use their 'position' to threaten members.

                          This needs to stop now. Please.
                          Kay 9 posts were deleted all up (l checked the popup yesterday) and l deleted 3 thankyou.

                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          What are they going to do, hunt them down and burn them at the stake? C'mon!

                          It's easy to find excuses to not do things. That doesn't make not doing them the proper course of action.

                          Regardless of what your work product is, if you're proud of what you're doing, put your name on it. Hiding behind anonymity is for people that don't take pride in what they are doing.

                          If given the option, I would never hide my identity in any post I have ever made, here or anywhere else.
                          Optedln, well, BigFrank, other reasons are that our online business dealings are also at risk, this has been discussed at length privately.

                          Tell a spammer who we are, and they could damage and destroy our online business or credibility.

                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          Let me also add...if you go to the Main forum you don't see the entire story. I'd guess 80-90% or more new threads are spam or some other type of BS. You guys only see the non-spam threads we approve. Multiple the number of threads you see by a factor of 9 and that's how many threads the mods are deleting. Chances are over time someone is going to hold a grudge.

                          If a mod deletes a thread, other mods see who deleted it and we hold each other responsible.
                          I agree Kurt, this has got way out of hand, and it needed to be closed. I was trying to be transparent to initiate more understanding and less finger pointing.

                          And thanks everyone for supporting this subject, live and learn.
                          Signature

                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386386].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        What are they going to do, hunt them down and burn them at the stake? C'mon!

                        It's easy to find excuses to not do things. That doesn't make not doing them the proper course of action.

                        Regardless of what your work product is, if you're proud of what you're doing, put your name on it. Hiding behind anonymity is for people that don't take pride in what they are doing.

                        If given the option, I would never hide my identity in any post I have ever made, here or anywhere else.
                        For starters, they can do DDoS attacks on websites or start fake news sites like they did with Paul Myers. They can make up lies about people needing help, like they did with Ken Strong (RIP) claiming his cancer was a fake so he could get help from charity.

                        I do find it ironic that someone that's been banned from this forum, then created a second account and user name, is talking about "put your name on it".
                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386183].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          I do find it ironic that someone that's been banned from this forum, then created a second account and user name, is talking about "put your name on it".
                          Sadly, you enjoying mentioning much more than you find it ironic.

                          Like I said - I'm not hiding from anyone. Never have and never will.
                          Signature

                          "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386194].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            Sadly, you enjoying mentioning much more than you find it ironic.

                            Like I said - I'm not hiding from anyone. Never have and never will.
                            What a bunch of BS.


                            IMO, the admin should either ban you again or let you use your original name. I don't like the second account stuff.
                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386227].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              What a bunch of BS.
                              Really? If you say so. lol

                              IMO, the admin should either ban you again or let you use your original name.
                              I agree, 100%. While I prefer the former, I'm sure I can count on you to push for the latter. Your small contribution at making the world a better place. :-)

                              I don't like the second account stuff.
                              You could have brought that up to the powers that be, over a year, ago. I didn't deserve to be banned the first time, and apparently since I've had like one ridiculous warning in all that time, nor do I now, but it is what it is. If we've reached the point where we're banning people because you don't particularly like someone, well, ok, then..
                              Signature

                              "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386234].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                Really? If you say so. lol



                                I agree, 100%. While I prefer the former, I'm sure I can count on you to push for the latter. Your small contribution at making the world a better place. :-)



                                You could have brought that up to the powers that be, over a year, ago. I didn't deserve to be banned the first time, and apparently since I've had like one ridiculous warning in all that time, nor do I now, but it is what it is. If we've reached the point where we're banning people because you don't particularly like someone, well, ok, then..
                                Wrong. I wasn't a mod over a year ago (except in the High Voltage) and had no say in the matter. I stated my opinion just above about my feelings concerning you being banned or not.


                                I'm guessing your were banned by the paid FL admins/mods before the member mods took over. But if you want to blame me, go right ahead. It's all my fault and your actions had nothing to do with it.
                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386242].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                  WI'm guessing your were banned by the paid FL admins/mods before the member mods took over. But if you want to blame me, go right ahead. It's all my fault and your actions had nothing to do with it.
                                  Damn, Kurt. No one has blamed you for anything. Get the stick out of your ass. I didn't say anything about you in the past tense. I stated what I would expect from you going forward.
                                  Signature

                                  "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386275].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          For starters, they can do DDoS attacks on websites or start fake news sites like they did with Paul Myers. They can make up lies about people needing help, like they did with Ken Strong (RIP) claiming his cancer was a fake so he could get help from charity.
                          I knew that's what I'd hear. If a mod uses his real name as a mod, we'll shame on them. I wasn't implying they should reveal their true identity - only their forum handle.

                          I guess there are people insane enough to do things you mentioned. I'm glad there are no people that I know of, like that.
                          Signature

                          "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386199].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            I knew that's what I'd hear. If a mod uses his real name as a mod, we'll shame on them. I wasn't implying they should reveal their true identity - only their forum handle.

                            I guess there are people insane enough to do things you mentioned. I'm glad there are no people that I know of, like that.
                            Earlier you said mods should "put their name on it", but now you say we should use a forum "handle". Got it.


                            My opinion is that mods should use their real name on a business forum.


                            If you have an issue with how !/we mod this forum, post in the suggestion forum or contact the help desk or admin. I have no desire to discuss it with you any further.
                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386233].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author yukon
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              My opinion is that mods should use their real name on a business forum.


                              My opinion is, that's insane and begging for internet stalking psychos to go offline.

                              I know someone (not me) that posted a Youtube video. It was a good video (lots of positive comments and Likes) but one of the people posting comments below the video turned it into a serious problem by posting the persons personal info. (address, etc...) online and kept making threats to the person in the video. Not the person who made the video (3 people involved).

                              So... the guy I know deleted everything, his entire Youtube channel... because he was worried the Youtube stalker was going to do something bad to the guy in the video.

                              There's too many nuts in this world to make the internet personal.
                              Signature
                              - Shakin -
                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386235].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                                My opinion is, that's insane and begging for internet stalking psychos to go offline.

                                I know someone (not me) that posted a Youtube video. It was a good video (lots of positive comments and Likes) but one of the people posting comments below the video turned it into a serious problem by posting the persons personal info. (address, etc...) online and kept making threats to the person in the video. Not the person who made the video (3 people involved).

                                So... the guy I know deleted everything, his entire Youtube channel... because he was worried the Youtube stalker was going to do something bad to the guy in the video.

                                There's too many nuts in this world to make the internet personal.
                                We already had this discussion, remember? I don't feel a need to repeat it.


                                But, since you obviously feel that there are real risks involved, you really need to be discussing the dangers with Frank, who feels there aren't any risks.
                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386255].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                  We already had this discussion, remember? I don't feel a need to repeat it.


                                  But, since you obviously feel that there are real risks involved, you really need to be discussing the dangers with Frank, who feels there aren't any risks.


                                  You don't want to have a conversation while you're talking about the same subject?

                                  I'm getting mixed signals.
                                  Signature
                                  - Shakin -
                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386264].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              Earlier you said mods should "put their name on it", but now you say we should use a forum "handle". Got it.
                              Yes, at the risk of repeating myself - THEIR FORUM NAME!!! What do I care what their real name is? I only deal with them on this forum, not in the real world, so I couldn't care less who they really are.

                              My opinion is that mods should use their real name on a business forum.
                              What's achieved by that?

                              If you have an issue with how !/we mod this forum, post in the suggestion forum or contact the help desk or admin. I have no desire to discuss it with you any further.
                              I don't actually. I'm not aware of you 'modding me' in any way and my complaints in general are mild and not a big deal. I'm quite adept at speaking up when I perceive a problem. The deleted posts I have had are just ridiculous and laughable. I didn't feel attacked in any way. I probably wouldn't make a good mod as I would probably approve of 99% of the posts made.

                              Lighten up.
                              Signature

                              "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386236].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                By all means, let's 'cut the crap'....


                Seven posts were deleted from this thread - tagiscom deleted FOUR of them.


                It's not a suggestion - the rule that was recently reinforced by Gab is that mods do NOT moderate or manipulate their own threads.


                Another rule is that mods do not use their 'position' to threaten members.


                This needs to stop now. Please.
                Signature

                Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386134].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                I want to publicly apologize to Shane. I just got a message telling me that Shane isn't the one that deleted my post.

                No matter what else is going on here...or who is deleting what, I blamed Shane for something he didn't do, and I'm truly sorry.

                Claude
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386168].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Odahh
              Claude will only accept anything that is accepted as mainstream science, ratified, published in the journals, the text books and authoritative works, backed up demonstrable, repeatable experiments as evidence.
              As I've said again and again and again....

              It doesn't have to be evidence, or from mainstream science.

              A good argument is really all I need. A rational argument that isn't infested with logical inconsistencies. My bar is really pretty low.

              But so far, on these "esoteric" subjects, I'm never seen here anything close to a good argument.

              In a magazine, years ago, I read a well thought out reason to suspect that we are in a computer simulation. A small paragraph. It kept me awake, working it out....turning it over and over. But here? Not even close.

              You should read a book on reasoning....just one...any one will do...and it would change your entire world.

              I think the first one I ever read was Guides To Straight Thinking. I know, joke about it being a gay book. But my advice is sincere. And if you applied what you learned in that book, the strength of your arguments would change dramatically.

              Added later; On this forum I have seen two well thought out arguments that changed my view. One was on guns in public and one was on the $15 hourly wage. Both arguments were so brain dead obvious, that I changed my mind on the spot. But on these esoteric subjects? Never. And I could be pretty easily convinced.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385560].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                My IQ is really pretty low.
                Edited for accuracy.
                Signature

                "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385567].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                As I've said again and again and again....

                It doesn't have to be evidence, or from mainstream science.

                A good argument is really all I need. A rational argument that isn't infested with logical inconsistencies. My bar is really pretty low.

                But so far, on these "esoteric" subjects, I'm never seen here anything close to a good argument.

                In a magazine, years ago, I read a well thought out reason to suspect that we are in a computer simulation. A small paragraph. It kept me awake, working it out....turning it over and over. But here? Not even close.

                You should read a book on reasoning....just one...any one will do...and it would change your entire world.

                I think the first one I ever read was Guides To Straight Thinking. I know, joke about it being a gay book. But my advice is sincere. And if you applied what you learned in that book, the strength of your arguments would change dramatically.
                I'm afraid, all ways of thinking, reasoning etc are blown out of the water when you experience phenomena for yourself. And it has consequences..

                You do tend to tolerate, emphasize and sympathise with others who claim similar experiences more. It also leads you to try and reason and rationalize what to "you" is phantasmagorical, into your model of everything.
                Signature

                Where ever you go, there you are.

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385643].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  I'm afraid, all ways of thinking, reasoning etc are blown out of the water when you experience phenomena for yourself. And it has consequences..

                  You do tend to tolerate, emphasize and sympathise with others who claim similar experiences more. It also leads you to try and reason and rationalize what to "you" is phantasmagorical, into your model of everything.



                  Signature
                  - Shakin -
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385647].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    If you have 100% insanity, then to you it is 100% normality. You cannot at any time step back and look at it objectively.
                    Signature

                    Where ever you go, there you are.

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385651].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      If you have 100% insanity, then to you it is 100% normality. You cannot at any time step back and look at it objectively.

                      The insane people are really the normal people?
                      Signature
                      - Shakin -
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385675].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        The insane people are really the normal people?
                        People that are insane, always say that. :-)
                        Signature

                        "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385685].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  I'm afraid, all ways of thinking, reasoning etc are blown out of the water when you experience phenomena for yourself. And it has consequences.
                  Seriously? So, in that singular instance you surrender your ability to reason, dispense with all critical thinking and your long-held long-held beliefs based on a lifetime of experience and just surrender them? Instantly?

                  That's not something I'd be capable of. I'd still have questions and would continue to seek answers.

                  After my first dog died I would occasionally have these sightings out of the corner of my eye that she was just about to brush up against my leg as she walked past me. It was a fleeting image and of course when I looked down there was nothing there.

                  Should I believe that my dog is a ghost or that I was having an issue with my vision?

                  As much as I would have loved to believe that my girl was trying to connect with me, guess which one I went with, regardless of the profound sadness and disappointment that my choice delivered. People choose to believe somethings if for no other reason that it delivers a sense of happiness or well-being. That's called delusion.
                  Signature

                  "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385663].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Seriously? So, in that singular instance you surrender your ability to reason, dispense with all critical thinking and your long-held long-held beliefs based on a lifetime of experience and just surrender them? Instantly?

                    That's not something I'd be capable of. I'd still have questions and would continue to seek answers.

                    After my first dog died I would occasionally have these sightings out of the corner of my eye that she was just about to brush up against my leg as she walked past me. It was a fleeting image and of course when I looked down there was nothing there.

                    Should I believe that my dog is a ghost or that I was having an issue with my vision?

                    As much as I would have loved to believe that my girl was trying to connect with me, guess which one I went with, regardless of the profound sadness and disappointment that my choice delivered. People choose to believe somethings if for no other reason that it delivers a sense of happiness or well-being. That's called delusion.
                    Profoundly experiencing things like this, multiple times, to the individual who experiences them, is not just a question of belief or believing in anything. Only that the experiences are just as real and valid as everyday life.

                    As to the thinking, logic and rationalization of it, this just has to be adjusted. You do not throw out and discard a lifetime of clear and rational thought that serves you perfectly well for everything else, you must expand its horizons. to incorporate the possible conclusions that these experiences suggest. The compulsion to find a way to incorporate and "normalize" them is very strong.
                    Signature

                    Where ever you go, there you are.

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385681].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      The compulsion to find a way to incorporate and "normalize" them is very strong.
                      Precisely why people will twist themselves into an intellectual pretzel to achieve that goal.
                      Signature

                      "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385686].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      As to the thinking, logic and rationalization of it, this just has to be adjusted.
                      So logic and reason need to be changed to fit your experience?



                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      You do not throw out and discard a lifetime of clear and rational thought that serves you perfectly well for everything else, you must expand its horizons. to incorporate the possible conclusions that these experiences suggest.
                      Sooooo you must adapt your reasoning and rational thinking to incorporate your expanded experience?

                      I get it. You don't know what reasoning is. The ability to reason well doesn't change your experience...it just helps you not fool yourself, when you have an experience. It's a tool to see more clearly.

                      Rational thinking is the tool to discover the real. If your experiences are real, it will only help support them....and explain them.

                      You believe you think rationally. And I cannot convince you that you do not (at least in some of these threads). But a reading of any book on how to reason would change your mind.

                      And you talk about experience. You have not had the experience of reading a good book on reasoning.

                      I know that you have never read such a book. It's like someone throwing cold water in your face.....you just wake up a little more.

                      Unless you prefer the dream.
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386004].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                        [QUOTE=Claude Whitacre;11386004]So logic and reason need to be changed to fit your experience?





                        Sooooo you must adapt your reasoning and rational thinking to incorporate your expanded experience?

                        I get it. You don't know what reasoning is. The ability to reason well doesn't change your experience...it just helps you not fool yourself, when you have an experience. It's a tool to see more clearly.

                        Rational thinking is the tool to discover the real. If your experiences are real, it will only help support them....and explain them.

                        You believe you think rationally. And I cannot convince you that you do not (at least in some of these threads). But a reading of any book on how to reason would change your mind.

                        And you talk about experience. You have not had the experience of reading a good book on reasoning.

                        I know that you have never read such a book. It's like someone throwing cold water in your face.....you just wake up a little more.

                        Unless you prefer the dream.[/QUO

                        I actually attended a course on pretty much all you are talking about.

                        Soo.. I put splinters in your brain eh. Always suspected it was made of wood.
                        Signature

                        Where ever you go, there you are.

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386089].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                          [quote=lanfear63;11386089]
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          So logic and reason need to be changed to fit your experience?





                          Sooooo you must adapt your reasoning and rational thinking to incorporate your expanded experience?

                          I get it. You don't know what reasoning is. The ability to reason well doesn't change your experience...it just helps you not fool yourself, when you have an experience. It's a tool to see more clearly.

                          Rational thinking is the tool to discover the real. If your experiences are real, it will only help support them....and explain them.

                          You believe you think rationally. And I cannot convince you that you do not (at least in some of these threads). But a reading of any book on how to reason would change your mind.

                          And you talk about experience. You have not had the experience of reading a good book on reasoning.

                          I know that you have never read such a book. It's like someone throwing cold water in your face.....you just wake up a little more.

                          Unless you prefer the dream.[/QUO

                          I actually attended a course on pretty much all you are talking about.

                          Soo.. I put splinters in your brain eh. Always suspected it was made of wood.

                          Did the course not teach you how to use the quote button correctly?
                          Signature

                          Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. You can help.
                          Click Here: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal

                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386098].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            [DELETED]
                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386117].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  I'm afraid, all ways of thinking, reasoning etc are blown out of the water when you experience phenomena for yourself. And it has consequences..
                  I gave it a shot. And it was a sincere suggestion.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385689].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I gave it a shot. And it was a sincere suggestion.
                    I refer the right honourable gentleman to the post I just made. Did you just edit your post or did I just experience a Nelson?

                    https://www.warriorforum.com/off-top...e-world-4.html
                    Signature

                    Where ever you go, there you are.

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385691].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            No. He didn't say anything remotely close to that. He didn't even hint at it.

            Shane...All planets have organic molecules in huge abundance. It just means that the elements that are in organisms are also on the planet...Hydrogen is by far the most abundant element in the universe...and it's an organic molecule.

            Methane is an organic molecule as well, and I already posted..in the very last post, the amount of methane on Earth, and the amount on Mars.

            No, he didn't say that at all. He wondered what they might find. He never mention living anything.
            You...just...made...it...up.
            He said, and l quote, "methane in the atmosphere has the potential of it being biologically created".

            Wondered,... made it up,... didn't even hint, lol, well the above statement sounds like a pretty big ...hint to me!!!!

            No. Google it. No magnetic field. Just Google "Mars magnetic field" and read the first few entries.

            Here..first entry....

            Mars lacks a magnetosphere, which poses challenges for mitigating solar radiation and retaining an atmosphere. It is thought that the localized fields detected on Mars are remnants of a magnetosphere that collapsed early in its history. The lack of a magnetosphere is thought to be one reason for Mars's thin atmosphere.
            Well, every time l google it l come up with one or more references to Mars magnetic field. I bought up another video showing Mars MF elsewhere, but maybe it will sink in this time?

            Mars' magnetic field - DTU Space

            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Odahh I'm telling you this because you are relatively new to the fraternity..

            "it is really interesting to watch claude and shane fail to convince each other"

            I have had years (since 2012) to study how Shane & Claude think.

            Shane is a bit all over the place with his claims and an easy target, he needs discipline to get anything accross

            Claude will only accept anything that is accepted as mainstream science, ratified, published in the journals, the text books and authoritative works, backed up demonstrable, repeatable experiments as evidence.

            He hates and rejects the following statements:

            I point out that there have been millions of ghost sightings since man began to record history. It is statistically impossible not to say that at least a small amount of them are not due to madness, self delusion or misinterpretation etc and are exactly what you are seeing. Therefore, the subject is worthy of study. However, the subject (aside from a few early photos before cgi) is mostly subjective, intangible and not observable by scientific instruments.

            Claude does not accept that the collective, subjective experience of millions of perfectly sane people amounts to or can be called anything in the way of evidence.

            The same applies to UFO's, hundreds of thousands of sightings, recordings on radar, early photographs, credible witnesses, Air Force personnel even, who know full well that the maneuvers and sharp turns these craft make are not something the human race has and without some kind of inertial safeguards would mash humans into the walls of the craft due to the acceleration.

            Claude has put up some very good arguments as to why it is unlikely that any other life could exist in the Universe, stuff like our goldilocks distance from the sun, the stabilizing influence of the moons circular orbit and our protective magnetic field and atmosphere. Sure, it must be rare.

            Yet, the Ghost Sightings go on as do the UFO ones.

            Claude says, there is no argument, I say stalemate.

            I just can't agree to brush these things under the carpet that have affected so many sane people over our time here. Despite what science says.

            As for any life on Mars, if there is some, it's much more likely to be underground, where there may be water and is somewhat protected from the harsh sterile conditions of the surface
            Thanks Mark, we are getting off subject too much with all of this Mars stuff, and individuals that apparently won't even acknowledge what a NASA rep says about it.

            Maybe you are right about Mandella, it seems that l totally agree with NASA and mass media now, and Claude and possibly others don't anymore?

            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Remember when you could go to Mars and nobody would bother you?
            Yes, you can't even walk down the martian street anymore.

            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385381].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Smart lady, and some good advise, l have watched quite a few of her videos.


            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385390].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author yukon
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Smart lady, and some good advise, l have watched quite a few of her videos.

              How to Raise Your Frequency and Increase Your Vibration - Teal Swan - YouTube




              Ryan hijacked Shane's forum profile?
              Signature
              - Shakin -
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385394].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Smart lady, and some good advise, l have watched quite a few of her videos.
              Most people still use Penthouse as an aid.
              Signature

              "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385524].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Smart lady, and some good advise, l have watched quite a few of her videos.

              How to Raise Your Frequency and Increase Your Vibration - Teal Swan - YouTube

              i have been subscribed to teal for many years.. but what a video of hers ever few month.. when she doesn't look to baked.. not saying she does drugs..just don't see a point in having to sound like you are high ..to talk about deep spiritual stuff
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385603].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Yes, the Mars PR is steering this thread away too much from its intended subject.

            So members are welcome to put up a new Mars ........ thread, (on this forum) which l may or may not reply to, (if they want to discuss it further) but l won't discuss that here anymore.

            Thank you.

            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385486].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              So members are welcome to put up a new Mars ........ thread, (on this forum) which l may or may not reply to, (if they want to discuss it further) but l won't discuss that here anymore.

              Thank you.

              "may or may not reply to"?

              You mean like the one where you posted hundreds of photos of Mars...where you kept imagining space dogs, space huts, space people...where everyone else just saw small rocks?

              The one that was closed down because it was just too....well..... ridiculous?


              My brother was schizophrenic....very severely so. But even after several years, I would still...occasionally...try to reason with him....because deep down inside the recesses of my brain....I felt obligated to try. I still had a flicker of hope.

              It was in the same spirit that I try to get through to you.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385554].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                "may or may not reply to"?

                You mean like the one where you posted hundreds of photos of Mars...where you kept imagining space dogs, space huts, space people...where everyone else just saw small rocks?

                The one that was closed down because it was just too....well..... ridiculous?

                My brother was schizophrenic....very severely so. But even after several years, I would still...occasionally...try to reason with him....because deep down inside the recesses of my brain....I felt obligated to try. I still had a flicker of hope.

                It was in the same spirit that I try to get through to you.
                You mean the thread that went for years, got to almost 60k, of clicks, and had 1000 views on every update?

                I didn't realize all of those years ago, (according to you) there were so many idiots about.

                And for the record l will refuse to discuss this here, for a duel reason. One that it is getting off subject and the second reason is self evident.

                Have a nice day!

                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385585].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  You mean the thread that went for years, got to almost 60k, of clicks, and had 1000 views on every update?

                  I didn't realize all of those years ago, (according to you) there were so many idiots about.
                  Not just years ago.

                  I have a confession, I spread the link to that thread on my Facebook page and in several articles I wrote. I had to provide a link because most people refused to believe that such a thread really existed.

                  I made you famous. You're welcome.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385587].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Most people still use Penthouse as an aid.
                    Maybe you shouldn't watch her video's then?



                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Not just years ago.

                    I have a confession, I spread the link to that thread on my Facebook page and in several articles I wrote. I had to provide a link because most people refused to believe that such a thread really existed.

                    I made you famous. You're welcome.
                    I take it that was your "Legend in My Own Mind" support group?

                    Signature

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385591].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
                      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                      Maybe you shouldn't watch her video's then?

                      Does she have any videos with her hair up like Princess Leia?
                      Signature
                      - Shakin -
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385609].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                        Does she have any videos with her hair up like Princess Leia?
                        I will let you know.

                        Signature

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385620].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                      Maybe you shouldn't watch her video's then?
                      Trust me - that wouldn't happen if you paid me. Once those minutes are gone, they are gone forever.
                      Signature

                      "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385630].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post




          And on an equal note, should l just allow someone to live out the rest of their lives, then come back for another round, or several?

          Higher realms have rules, as does any balanced and peaceful societal structure, so we come down here for specific reasons and to achieve certain things, intimately to achieve the big one.

          But maybe you have a point, just let someone who doesn't want to believe a word of it, and are, or seem to be happy, be. All paths lead to full realization.

          My definition of insanity is seeing clear, and obvious evidence, then dismissing it in any way possible.

          well there really is no definition of sane ..or no one meet your definition of not insane ..

          well see it matters what the people around you believe.. or of they are dumping the stories of the crappy stuff happening to them on you.. then you could start pointing out this stuff.. as i said i have more than enough people just show up around me who already have some belief in these areas .. to what ever extreme.. it is a waste of my energy to look for people who don't believe in any of it and try to get them to see ..

          if people are going to wake up stuff will happen in their lives to put them on the path.. you are lucky in the times we live the people who want to stay asleep are not able to drag you into a mob of them and kill you in some painful manor
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384668].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Just so you know - posts in the Off Topic section don't 'count'...
        Signature

        Saving one dog will not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384584].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

    When Claude hovers he's considered a dirigible....oh the humanity!
    Claude hovering is a scientific impossibility, even with strong cups of tea.

    Yeah, and a donut.......

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    That's just it, you just read the books. I have demonstrated to myself that experiencing some of these practices shows that they are as real as the here and now reality we all experience. I can also assure you I'm as sane as you are, I don't do drugs, hardly drink.

    It's a huge difference in thinking for someone who has actually "experienced" some of these things as opposed to someone who just reads books about it.

    That's always going to be a huge stumbling block in our respective perceptions.

    That makes two of us, the nearest l get to drugs is a cup of coffee, although chocolate cake does contain a minute amount of a substance that mimics cociane's affects?

    And l have experienced a few of these things also, (videos). Not surprised that the Twisted serpent has been removed as much as possible we don't want people waking up on mass and realizing the true nature of reality.

    And we wonder why FTA tv is dead, natural cheap cures are buried, and mass media is currently crazed about paying off bimbos to discredit anyone of high standing in our world, (the last is to destabilize society values)?

    Why doens't the media ever go after these ar****holes paying off these women that supposedly got harassed by these individuals, 20 years ago????

    You would only need to check their bank accounts for the 150k, or in their back yards?

    To keep people from learning and trying what was shown above.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    I had a friend (from here) call me yesterday and ask the same question.

    I have a pathological hatred for bad arguments.

    It's different from wanting to be right...or proving someone else wrong. It's the structure of the argument itself. I have no idea why I'm like this, or where it came from.
    Past life thing, lol.

    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383510].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    No joke, I'm almost hovering.
    Signature
    - Shakin -
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383550].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Claude's intervention isn't working?
    Signature
    - Shakin -
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383587].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Walks into thread, reads posts, shakes head and know's it's time to leave. Some people just have way to much time on there hands.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11383715].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Zeyankhan
    Thanks for letting us know those interesting Facts
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384438].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author marstranslaton
    thankx for sharing this news.really great information you are providing.thankx again
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11384521].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author hdshohag
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385121].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Remember when you could go to Mars and nobody would bother you?
    Signature
    - Shakin -
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385359].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    Now you're actively deleting posts that prove you wrong?

    WTF was WF thinking when they made you a mod?
    Signature
    Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385891].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      WTF was WF thinking when they made you a mod?
      Without making me one, no less. Pure, insanity.
      Signature

      "He not busy being born, is busy dying." - Bob Dylan • "I vibe with the light-dark point. Heavy." - Words that Bob Dylan wishes he had written.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385933].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Without making me one, no less. Pure, insanity.

        Demand a recount?
        Signature
        - Shakin -
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385951].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Now you're actively deleting posts that prove you wrong?
      Mandella ?
      Signature
      - Shakin -
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385953].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Now you're actively deleting posts that prove you wrong?

      WTF was WF thinking when they made you a mod?
      Just a wild guess, but it may also be your negative, ugly language and tone that got your last post deleted?

      And l would suggest that you go easy on knocking the FL mods here!

      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11385964].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Just a wild guess, but it may also be your negative, ugly language and tone that got your last post deleted?
        Far worse has been posted by others before hand.

        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        And l would suggest that you go easy on knocking the FL mods here!
        I've never had a problem with any of the mods or the job they do until they made one member here a mod.

        It was obvious that power, real or perceived, would go to his or her head. I've had private conversations with some of the long standing and more sensible mods and they weren't overly thrilled about his or her promotion either.

        This one mod is completely lacking in the ability to take criticism of any sort, plus he or she is too narrow minded to deal with people who have a far broader range of experience than he or she does.

        Still, I remain optimistic that everything will work out for the best in the end. It might be a rocky road getting there though.

        In closing, I tip my hat to the other mods who have always done, and continue to do a sterling job of keeping this ship afloat. Long may they prosper.
        Signature
        Long time Warrior HeySal is fighting for her life. Click here to help her out: https://www.gofundme.com/heysal
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386035].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Just a wild guess, but it may also be your negative, ugly language and tone that got your last post deleted?

        And l would suggest that you go easy on knocking the FL mods here!


        Unless there is obvious spam, something posted that is illegal (like those "get your fake passport here" offers), or something racist/violent posted, you should not be moderating threads that you are emotionally involved in.

        If there is something you perceive as crossing the line, you should report it and let another moderator who is not involved look at it.
        Signature
        SEO, AdWords Management, Social Media Marketing, and more.
        Get a FREE Quote.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386065].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Just a wild guess, but it may also be your negative, ugly language and tone that got your last post deleted?

        And l would suggest that you go easy on knocking the FL mods here!

        Shane; Being a moderator means you have to ignore your personal preferences and be fair.

        "negative, ugly language"? "Tone"? That's a reason to delete a post? You mean because he disagreed with something you said?


        "And l would suggest that you go easy on knocking the FL mods here!"?

        If you want to know what someone is really like...give them power.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386108].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Now you're actively deleting posts that prove you wrong?

      WTF was WF thinking when they made you a mod?
      I just got an e-mail telling me that one of my posts on this thread was deleted because "Quoting link in post " I was quoting Wikipedia. (if I remember the post)

      Yeah, I've never had a complaint before. Always been treated fairly, even when it went against me.

      Shane; Really, we're done.

      added later: I can't find which post was deleted. It wasn't the one I thought. So since I don't know which post it was....and accusing someone without all the facts is wrong...ignore what I just said.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386039].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    If we could all just get along that would be great. - Bill Lumbergh
    Signature
    - Shakin -
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386000].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If we could all just get along that would be great. - Bill Lumbergh
      It's not a matter of getting along.

      It's not a matter of liking or disliking someone. I like Mark, for example. But his arguments are like splinters in my brain. It's the argument that bothers me, not Mark.

      Nearly all my real friends are conservative, and I'm not.
      Nearly everyone I care about is very religious, and I'm not.
      The difference is that in real life, I would never have this conversation. The relationship is more important than anything I have to say....or any crazy thing they say.

      On the other hand, it's Dan Riffle himself that bothers me. His very existence is an insult to heterosexual manly men the world over. I completely understand why his father abandoned him. and replaced him with a hamster.
      (yes, I laughed out loud to myself as I typed the Riffle insult)
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11386011].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        It's not a matter of getting along.

        It's not a matter of liking or disliking someone. I like Mark, for example. But his arguments are like splinters in my brain. It's the argument that bothers me, not Mark.

        Nearly all my real friends are conservative, and I'm not.
        Nearly everyone I care about is very religious, and I'm not.
        The difference is that in real life, I would never have this conversation. The relationship is more important than anything I have to say....or any crazy thing they say.

        On the other hand, it's Dan Riffle himself that bothers me. His very existence is an insult to heterosexual manly men the world over. I completely understand why his father abandoned him. and replaced him with a hamster.
        (yes, I laughed out loud to myself as I typed the Riffle insult)
        Now we just need to dete