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With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
    Global Warming, if left unchecked we will have a world that is unfit to survive in within 150 years
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Global Warming, if left unchecked we will have a world that is unfit to survive in within 2 years
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Global Warming, if left unchecked we will have a world that is unfit to survive in within 150 years
      well if human keep poluting everything they way we are .. there biosphere will not support us for another 50 without a dramatic population fall off .. and if you look at the historic charts they have from ice cores.. it my be in 30-40 year we have a mini ice age.. and again those usually cause massive population declines ..

      climate change is normal.. but our actions have put us in a position that we will be unable to respond to a massive climate shift either way ..and probably not grow enough food to feed 9 billion humans .. even though currently we actually grow enough to feed 14 billion ..

      a thousand years ago or more there where europeans visting the new world and people from china .. in the 1300s a mini ice age hit both europe and the americas .. and possible the rest of the planet .. black death started hitting china in the 1330s then spread to eurpoe in the 1350s .. and kill over half the population ..

      then after columbus and the eurpoeans started coming to the americas .. there was a depopulation of close to 90 percent of native americans north and south .. quite possible or at least 50 percent ..

      basically we are screwed either way if ig get hotter or it gets colder or it stays the same and we keep polluting everything and sucking up every resource we can ..

      topsoil the main one .. down to a few inches in most of the country ..froms 4 -10 feet of it 150 years ago .. and we are running out of the water in the Aquifirs under the country .. and then with hedge funds buying up farmland .. it is only a matter of time before we we cant turn oil into food at a profit as we do now .. with synthetic fertilizers .. and mechinized farming .. or at least enough to make hedge fund investors happy ..

      Oh wait i normally try to be positive about the future ..this post seems all bleak and such ..but seeing what is coming you can position yourself to adapt and thrive through is .. people are already poisioning themselves as the go the good consumer route .. so many will die of some lifestyle inflicted disease well before the environment gives us a but kicking..

      as for the OP .. right now there are actually a lot of things getting better in the world ..but we are instinctively drawn to looking out for bad things and danger .. ad we have news agencies who's business it is to show us everything bad that is happening 24 hours a day 7 days a week .. and many more sources of news around the world..

      there are some of these bad thing that may actually effect you or will in the future that you can prepare for and learn to do something about now
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    • Please show solid proof that all global warming is manmade..
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Joseph Janulewicz View Post

        Please show solid proof that all global warming is manmade..
        I suggest you do some research into what feedback loops are.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Joseph Janulewicz View Post

        Please show solid proof that all global warming is manmade..
        Even though no human has ever said that 100% of global warming is manmade, I want to address that.

        I see this from so many people. And it isn't just about climate change. They take an obvious falsehood, position it as a statement from the "other side", and use it as proof that the argument is ridiculous.

        The only consistency I see is that it always...always comes from someone without facts on their side. If they had the facts backing them up, they would simply state the facts.

        A similar argument I see is "Tell me the exact percentage of global warming that is man made"...and that statement is designed to get the only rational answer possible "We cannot give an exact percentage"...and to the climate change denier, that's a win.

        But of course we cannot give an exact percentage. There are thousands of factors involved, with different causes, different influences.

        For example. "I lost 50 pounds with diet and exercise". And then someone says "What exact percentage of the weight loss came from diet?".

        Of course there is no precise percentage. It's a mix of several factors.
        But because you cannot give the exact percentage, they deny that you lost weight.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


          For example. "I lost 50 pounds with diet and exercise". And then someone says. wooster myth

          Of course there is no precise percentage. It's a mix of several factors.
          But because you cannot give the exact percentage, they deny that you lost weight.
          The 50 pounds was before lunch
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Deviant vacuum cleaner salesmen.
      Is there any other kind of vacuum cleaner salesman?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Is there any other kind of vacuum cleaner salesman?
        In my life, I have been in the business of selling vacuum cleaners in people's homes, and in a retail store. And I've attended both types of conventions and trade shows. Both are populated by mostly married men.

        In every event I've been in with the in home vacuum cleaner salespeople and distributors....every married man there is looking to get laid. Nearly all of them smoke. They all talk about their customers as though they were rubes.

        It's like a certain type of person is attracted to that business. They are hunters. And I saw a lot of trying to recruit sales reps from other distributors. They are cannibalistic that way.

        The trade shows with the retail store owners is like night and day. Nearly all are married and their wives are also in the stores...and also attend the events. There is no sleeping around....far less gambling...

        Two completely different worlds.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
    Someone let the Dogs out! The problem is so bad, Baha Men had to ask - https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...202D&FORM=VIRE
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Might have to do some recalculating - In 2017, 92 volcanoes were located under the ice cap of Antarctica ....A couple months later scientists began to talk about the 'effect of this newly discovered heat source'....on the ice caps.


    Man is the greatest detriment to the planet - but global warming may not be something we can fix...and we may not be the only cause. Could be the effect of humans combined with a natural atmospheric evolution taking place.


    I watch with interest but no illusion of control.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Might have to do some recalculating - In 2017, 92 volcanoes were located under the ice cap of Antarctica ....A couple months later scientists began to talk about the 'effect of this newly discovered heat source'....on the ice caps.


      Man is the greatest detriment to the planet - but global warming may not be something we can fix...and we may not be the only cause. Could be the effect of humans combined with a natural atmospheric evolution taking place.


      I watch with interest but no illusion of control.
      The Earth has gone through cycles of being frozen over and having a lot of volcanic activity in the past, each having the same effect, being pretty inhospitable to life.

      If we are having a resurgence of volcanoes then that only adds to the inhospitable effects of excess CO2 which traps heat. However, ironically, if the Sun is being blotted out by smoke and ash it will cool the Earth down. When the volcanism dies down then there is still a load of ash and dust up there for a long time so the ice will return.

      No sun, no growing of crops, too cold, no growing of crops.

      We, up to now, lived in a window between the two, ideal for life. Now we are artificially hastening it to be too hot.. Even if we had not been doing so, the volcanoes would have returned eventually, but perhaps not for a very long time.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        The Earth has gone through cycles of being frozen over and having a lot of volcanic activity in the past, each having the same effect, being pretty inhospitable to life.

        If we are having a resurgence of volcanoes then that only adds to the inhospitable effects of excess CO2 which traps heat. However, ironically, if the Sun is being blotted out by smoke and ash it will cool the Earth down. When the volcanism dies down then there is still a load of ash and dust up there for a long time so the ice will return.

        No sun, no growing of crops, too cold, no growing of crops.

        We, up to now, lived in a window between the two, ideal for life. Now we are artificially hastening it to be too hot.. Even if we had not been doing so, the volcanoes would have returned eventually, but perhaps not for a very long time.
        And l thought that by 2020 we would have major crop failures, and dry dams and a substantial increase in world temp, and more natural disasters, and cyclones, and palm tree's in Antarctica?

        None of which have occurred, (we are certainly close enough to that year to see something)!

        What is the world coming to,....yes, when mass hysteria, and ignoring the obvious, affect a sizable number of individuals, then progress is slowed, and all the ones who can see the ...obvious can do is wait til it is painfully obvious.

        150 years the world will end, lol, that should guarantee funding for the foreseeable future? (Post #2 reference)

        Computer modelling failed miserably 10 years ago, and l doubt that stabilizing software, to remove the errors from Quantum computers, will make any difference to extending that by a factor of 15 times.

        Man Made Global Warming is and was a money train that has fallen off the cliff and has well and truly smashed itself into the rocks below, with only a few left that are licking their wounds, and still trying to say that it will still happen.

        The End is Nigh is for ....individuals walking the streets carrying cardboard signs.



        PS we currently have 36 Trillion in a slush fund in Europe to apparently combat this, or we could end world hunger for a good period of time tomorrow if we got off this nonsense, and put it to good use.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          And l thought that by 2020 we would have major crop failures, and dry dams and a substantial increase in world temp, and more natural disasters, and cyclones, and palm tree's in Antarctica?

          None of which have occurred, (we are certainly close enough to that year to see something)!
          Yes, none of these things have happened...but then you are the one that just made them up.

          So.....make up claims that nobody is making, that sound ridiculous. And then ridicule the made up claims...so you can sound like you are somehow ahead of all this.

          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          What is the world coming to,....yes, when mass hysteria, and ignoring the obvious, affect a sizable number of individuals, then progress is slowed, and all the ones who can see the ...obvious can do is wait til it is painfully obvious.
          What?

          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          150 years the world will end, lol, that should guarantee funding for the foreseeable future?
          Again, something you just made up so you can refute it. Added later; He didn't just make it up. He read Mark say it a few posts ago. Play fair, people.


          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Man Made Global Warming is and was a money train that has fallen off the cliff and has well and truly smashed itself into the rocks below, with only a few left that are licking their wounds, and still trying to say that it will still happen.
          True, nearly everyone has given up the idea of global warming...except nearly every climate scientist, and everyone reading those pesky instruments that measure climate temperature levels....and the entire educated world.

          Except for those few people......the idea is dead.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Yes, none of these things have happened...but then you are the one that just made them up.

            So.....make up claims that nobody is making, that sound ridiculous. And then ridicule the made up claims...so you can sound like you are somehow ahead of all this.



            What?



            Again, something you just made up so you can refute it.




            True, nearly everyone has given up the idea of global warming...except nearly every climate scientist, and everyone reading those pesky instruments that measure climate temperature levels....and the entire educated world.

            Except for those few people......the idea is dead.
            What do they know, such idiots. Climate Psychologists just say that "The climate has to want to change"
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Yes, none of these things have happened...but then you are the one that just made them up.

            So.....make up claims that nobody is making, that sound ridiculous. And then ridicule the made up claims...so you can sound like you are somehow ahead of all this.



            What?



            Again, something you just made up so you can refute it.




            True, nearly everyone has given up the idea of global warming...except nearly every climate scientist, and everyone reading those pesky instruments that measure climate temperature levels....and the entire educated world.

            Except for those few people......the idea is dead.
            The irony here is that if climate change was being pushed by psychics, voodoo priestesses, witch doctors and remote viewers, he'd be starting countless threads about how it was really happening with YouTube videos to back up his claims.

            However it's being peddled by climate scientists, scientists and other people with academic backgrounds. So obviously it's complete bollocks.

            As you pointed out virtually his entire post consisted of stuff he made up. Every post on this topic he made at the other place was able to be debunked within minutes by proving that all the organisations he linked to were funded by fossil fuel companies and assorted right wing lobby groups. The lobby groups themselves are funded by fossil fuel companies as well. The ties to these groups took less time to find than it took him to search for "proof" to support his claims.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              The irony here is that if climate change was being pushed by psychics, voodoo priestesses, witch doctors and remote viewers, he'd be starting countless threads about how it was really happening with YouTube videos to back up his claims.

              However it's being peddled by climate scientists, scientists and other people with academic backgrounds. So obviously it's complete bollocks.

              As you pointed out virtually his entire post consisted of stuff he made up. Every post on this topic he made at the other place was able to be debunked within minutes by proving that all the organisations he linked to were funded by fossil fuel companies and assorted right wing lobby groups. The lobby groups themselves are funded by fossil fuel companies as well. The ties to these groups took less time to find than it took him to search for "proof" to support his claims.
              So your saying that if we get some of the world's most famous psychics, seers, guru's, mediums and larger's etc to come out in favour of global warming, he will be convinced?
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                So your saying that if we get some of the world's most famous psychics, seers, guru's, mediums and larger's etc to come out in favour of global warming, he will be convinced?
                Only if they have videos on YouTube.
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  Only if they have videos on YouTube.
                  And have spoken to a poltergeist.
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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    And have spoken to a poltergeist from a different dimension using telepathy.
                    Fixed that for you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                So your saying that if we get some of the world's most famous psychics, seers, guru's, mediums and larger's etc to come out in favour of global warming, he will be convinced?
                well .. a lot of these people actually do believe in global warming and such ..
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                So your saying that if we get some of the world's most famous psychics, seers, guru's, mediums and larger's etc to come out in favour of global warming, he will be convinced?
                An interesting phenomenon I see is that if someone believes in one conspiracy theory...they are very likely to believe in just about all of them.

                If someone believes in something "spiritual" or new age...they tend to embrace everything associated with it.

                But I don't know about global warming. For example, if you believe in ghosts, are you more or less likely to be a climate change denier?

                I know about the political stances, but I mean things like....if you think the moon landing was faked, are you more likely to think climate change isn't real? If you claim to talk to the dead, or claim to have been abducted by a UFO...are you more or less likely to be a climate change denier?

                It's a serious question.
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  An interesting phenomenon I see is that if someone believes in one conspiracy theory...they are very likely to believe in just about all of them.

                  If someone believes in something "spiritual" or new age...they tend to embrace everything associated with it.

                  But I don't know about global warming. For example, if you believe in ghosts, are you more or less likely to be a climate change denier?

                  I know about the political stances, but I mean things like....if you think the moon landing was faked, are you more likely to think climate change isn't real? If you claim to talk to the dead, or claim to have been abducted by a UFO...are you more or less likely to be a climate change denier?

                  It's a serious question.
                  most tend to think humans are destroying the planet so they are not mainly denyers..but i won't get into the theories .. Shane has his set of beliefs about conspiracy ..

                  I use to be in the denier circle still don't think it's all in the gasses .. but from the information i get from researchers and other worldy sourses..is we won't kill the planet ..just if we stay on the path we are we seriously leave ourselve vunerable to the sudden catostropic and global climate..and we are already killing the planets ability to support us ..

                  it is very easy to see if you look at worldly sources of information..if you study permaculture and the effects of agriculture on the pl,anet .. thousands of years of tillage grain farming turn the middle easy from luch fertile areas into deserts .. and with machanicle farming we and population expo=losions .. we have done the same thing to much of the rest of the world in a 100 years ..

                  Man the desert maker
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

                    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
                    The biggest problem imo is people who have been programmed into not using their intuition and common sense.

                    Lack of intuition and common sense is a good chunk of the "why" the tragic occurs.
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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          And l thought that by 2020 we would have major crop failures, and dry dams and a substantial increase in world temp, and more natural disasters, and cyclones, and palm tree's in Antarctica?
          Do you read newspapers much?

          None of which have occurred, (we are certainly close enough to that year to see something)!
          None? Do some research on crop failures (which have devastated large areas of the globe and are contributing to terrorism and mass migrations), not only dry dams, but dry lake beds and rivers. too, Last year was the hottest year on record, much like the one before that and the one before that and the one before that. Not to mention the Glaciers left in Glacier National Park, or lack, thereof. There were 150. Now - 30, and disappearing at an ever increasing rate.

          Ice? Here ya' go. Read it and weep. Of course, you probably think this is 'fake news.'

          "Everywhere on Earth ice is changing. The famed snows of Kilimanjaro have melted more than 80 percent since 1912. Glaciers in the Garhwal Himalaya in India are retreating so fast that researchers believe that most central and eastern Himalayan glaciers could virtually disappear by 2035. Arctic sea ice has thinned significantly over the past half century, and its extent has declined by about 10 percent in the past 30 years. NASA's repeated laser altimeter readings show the edges of Greenland's ice sheet shrinking. Spring freshwater ice breakup in the Northern Hemisphere now occurs nine days earlier than it did 150 years ago, and autumn freeze-up ten days later. Thawing permafrost has caused the ground to subside more than 15 feet (4.6 meters) in parts of Alaska. From the Arctic to Peru, from Switzerland to the equatorial glaciers of Man Jaya in Indonesia, massive ice fields, monstrous glaciers, and sea ice are disappearing, fast.

          Read the entire article, here: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/e...ming/big-thaw/

          Source: National Geographic. (What the hell do they know?)

          C'mon, Shane. You wonder why you are often the target of ridicule. This ain't about Mars, my friend. It's about your home. 'Planet Earth.'

          It's time to give a shit and give the conspiracy nonsense a rest. Seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Shane -


    That's a good point (how often do I say that?)


    With the money being raised and blown on pet projects/products/fines/etc related to 'global warming' and 'climate changes' and 'carbon emissions' and....on and on and on.


    We could go a long way toward fixing the problems of the globe if we would use that money to provide food/water while also restricting population growth. We won't do that - but we could accomplish a lot by addressing those two basic issues.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Shane -

      That's a good point (how often do I say that?)

      With the money being raised and blown on pet projects/products/fines/etc related to 'global warming' and 'climate changes' and 'carbon emissions' and....on and on and on.

      We could go a long way toward fixing the problems of the globe if we would use that money to provide food/water while also restricting population growth. We won't do that - but we could accomplish a lot by addressing those two basic issues.
      Thank you Kay, this is going straight to the Pool room, (Castle movie quote).

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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      We could go a long way toward fixing the problems of the globe if we would use that money to provide food/water while also restricting population growth.
      Protecting Earth from rampant environmental devastation, will provide more food and water at much less cost as there wouldn't be as large a need for man-made intervention to remedy the situation - which is incredibly expensive and is only going to get more so as time goes on.

      Once a crop-producing area is destroyed from environment effects, it's impossible to make it fertile, again, without spending massive amounts of money and even then, the results could be barely effective and very short-lived.

      "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I Googled a conversion chart for that, but was unable to find one.

      As long as we are going to spend umpteen trillions of dollars to produce weapons of mass destruction that can kill everyone on the planet 1000x, and in the process render it incapable of even growing a friggin' weed, we need to stop pissing and moaning about spending billions to keep mankind alive by providing clean air, clean water and abundant, nutritious food.

      We have but one home. You want your grandkids to have to move to Mars, fine! Just make sure they're not afraid of spiders.
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Protecting Earth from rampant environmental devastation, will provide more food and water at much less cost as there wouldn't be as large a need for man-made intervention to remedy the situation - which is incredibly expensive and is only going to get more so as time goes on.

        Once a crop-producing area is destroyed from environment effects, it's impossible to make it fertile, again, without spending massive amounts of money and even then, the results could be barely effective and very short-lived.

        "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I Googled a conversion chart for that, but was unable to find one.

        As long as we are going to spend umpteen trillions of dollars to produce weapons of mass destruction that can kill everyone on the planet 1000x, and in the process render it incapable of even growing a friggin' weed, we need to stop pissing and moaning about spending billions to keep mankind people alive by providing clean air, clean water and abundant, nutritious food.

        We have but one home. You want your grandkids to have to move to Mars, fine! Just make sure they're not afraid of spiders.
        we have one world .. and we don't have the ability to move to another ..so if we continue destroying the environment ability to support us .. and dumping poisons into everything .. that get into all of the food we eat ..and accumulate in us as the apex spicies ..

        it is not environmental factor destroying farmland.. is over farming and build up from salts and toxic substances from chemical fertilizers and topsoil blowing away from way to much tillage ..

        so we destroy farmland or pave it over to build cities or just pollute it so the food produced is toxic for us to eat .. that no the environment .. that humanity .. not respecting how the environment works and not caring about the future .. just making as much profit now as possible ..
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          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          it is not environmental factor destroying farmland.. is over farming and build up from salts and toxic substances from chemical fertilizers and topsoil blowing away from way to much tillage.
          Uh, those are the classic definitions of, "environmental factors." :-)
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    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
    My bid for King of the Earth was foiled...again. Oh, the humanity!

    I think it's a really good time to get the **** out. Fortunately, I'm old.
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      Originally Posted by IGotMine View Post

      I'm old.
      Old? That's funny. Compared to me you're still poopin' yellow!!!
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    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
    Bad coffee once I leave home.

    P.S. Sorry mods. I deleted this by accident - unless you deleted for me. If you did I did not repost it out of defiance - just confusion, which is my normal state of mind, lately. No offense intended. Delete, again, at your convenience.
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    A big trade war which already started.
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      3rd world war coming soon besides global warming increasing day by day.
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        Originally Posted by sarahboyer View Post

        3rd world war coming soon besides global warming increasing day by day.
        You will fit in well here!

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    Human catastrophe increasing so fast. Soon the world face a big human catastrophical problem.
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    Here is a lesson to the O.P. as you can see people disagree about different things like the last several posts. So that is where the problem starts it all goes back to almost the beginning of the human race. The first person disagreed with the 2nd person on this planet and the battles have been shaping up ever since. At the end of the day - Eat, Drink and be Merry! Before you wind up in Utah
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      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Before you wind up in Utah
      Always remember that people in West Virginia refer to Utah as paradise.
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    Human beings buy into the illusion of fear and do stuff that leads to chaos.

    As for natural phenomena, it is...natural We are just in the way. Totally 100% perfect, as Nature just does as it does to maintain harmony. But if we are living among the harmony and balance we need to accept these events.

    Love is real guys. Fear is the hologram. Keep thinking on that one, the light bulb goes off, and we progress together, in peace, one person at a time.

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    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
    Believe it or not we are actually living in one of the most peaceful times. Something to consider is (as Gandhi said):

    "Be the change you want to see in The World."

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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    Here is a lesson to the O.P. as you can see people disagree about different things like the last several posts. So that is where the problem starts it all goes back to almost the beginning of the human race. The first person disagreed with the 2nd person on this planet and the battles have been shaping up ever since. At the end of the day - Eat, Drink and be Merry! Before you wind up in Utah
    True, certain countries have wars to present day, as they tend to act or react on emotions or ingrained beliefs taught to them since childhood, instead of rationally thinking it through and considering long term options..

    Someone who has learned that a certain action requires another reaction, and is presented with other evidence, that that isn't true, will be 100% against that new or correct way to react to that issue.

    So if one city gets destroyed, (nuclear exchange) then we launch the lot at that country, and totally destroy it asap, so they have no chance of destroying another one, and that teaches them, probably comes into it.

    This reminds me of War Games, doesn't matter how many times it is played out it end the same way.

    Or ingrained beliefs, supported by authority figures creates barriers that using the Wright Brothers example can only be broken by the physical action.

    Leading up to that event, there were numerous sightings, but none believed that it was a plane but something else.

    The Wright Brothers knew that it worked, and quietly ignored all of the experts garbeging their initial flight, and kept perfecting it, knowing that it was only a matter of time before it was proven.

    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

    Human beings buy into the illusion of fear and do stuff that leads to chaos.

    As for natural phenomena, it is...natural We are just in the way. Totally 100% perfect, as Nature just does as it does to maintain harmony. But if we are living among the harmony and balance we need to accept these events.

    Love is real guys. Fear is the hologram. Keep thinking on that one, the light bulb goes off, and we progress together, in peace, one person at a time.

    Ryan
    Nicely put Ryan.

    I see that quite a lot, elsewhere, the evidence leads to an obvious conclusion, but the conclusion is too hard to accept, so avoiding the obvious at all costs is taken.

    Some try to reason it all out, eventhough they tend to ignore the contradictions, and others out of fear, tend to become aggressive.

    But they are really fighting themselves in the end.

    Clear cut evidence speaks volumes, and aggression speaks pages, and retaliation speaks words.

    Usually three, lol.

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      garbeging
      Not a word. Go with 'deprecating.' :-)
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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

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      The Wright Brothers knew that it worked, and quietly ignored all of the experts garbeging their initial flight, and kept perfecting it, knowing that it was only a matter of time before it was proven.
      I wish you would quit using the Wright brothers as an example.

      The experts weren't the ones "garbeging" (whatever the hell that means) their flight. The experts were the Wright brothers and other people who studied applied physics.

      It was the uninformed superstitious public that had no understanding of how heavier than air planes could possibly fly.

      In the Wright brothers example, you are not one of the Wright brothers...you are one of the deniers that the plane will fly, even though every expert in applied physics knows that it will.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I wish you would quit using the Wright brothers as an example.

        The experts weren't the ones "garbeging" (whatever the hell that means) their flight. The experts were the Wright brothers and other people who studied applied physics.

        It was the uninformed superstitious public that had no understanding of how heavier than air planes could possibly fly.

        In the Wright brothers example, you are not one of the Wright brothers...you are one of the deniers that the plane will fly, even though every expert in applied physics knows that it will.
        No, l would have been one of the few people that saw model planes fly way before powered flight, (and other supportive evidence) and knew that it had a chance, so would have gone to see if the initial flight had merit.

        And most physicists and mathematicians back them thought that powered flight was impossible, and told the public.

        I would recommend that you go back to the Wright Brothers thread.

        Thank you!

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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          No, l would have been one of the few people that saw model planes fly way before powered flight,
          There were no model planes until there were actual planes. The only "models" prior to the Wright Brothers were the attempts to fly that all failed. So no, you wouldn't have been one of the few that saw how model planes flew because there weren't any model planes.
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            There were no model planes until there were actual planes. The only "models" prior to the Wright Brothers were the attempts to fly that all failed. So no, you wouldn't have been one of the few that saw how model planes flew because there weren't any model planes.
            Are you insinuating that the British Air Force was not fully formed and up and running before the Wright Brothers flight? Outrageous.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Are you insinuating that the British Air Force was not fully formed and up and running before the Wright Brothers flight? Outrageous.
              There was no "British Air Force" back then. There still isn't. Douglas Bader is doing cartwheels in his grave after he read your post. Not to mention Biggles.
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                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                There was no "British Air Force" back then. There still isn't. Douglas Bader is doing cartwheels in his grave after he read your post. Not to mention Biggles.
                You spotted my "deliberate" mistake.. not bad for an Aussie.
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            There were no model planes until there were actual planes. The only "models" prior to the Wright Brothers were the attempts to fly that all failed. So no, you wouldn't have been one of the few that saw how model planes flew because there weren't any model planes.
            Apparently you have forgotten about his ability to travel, not just through time and space, but also multiple dimensions.

            Once Leonardo da Vinci showed him his drawings for the helicopter, it was in the bag.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          There were no model planes until there were actual planes. The only "models" prior to the Wright Brothers were the attempts to fly that all failed. So no, you wouldn't have been one of the few that saw how model planes flew because there weren't any model planes.
          John Stringfellow (1799 - 1883) and William Samuel Henson (1812 - 1888) - Aviation Pioneers

          The machine could not support itself for any distance, but, when launched off, gradually descended, although the power and surface should have been ample; indeed, according to latest calculations, the thrust should have carried more than three times the weight, for there was a thrust of 5 lbs. from the propellers, and a surface of over 70 square feet to sustain under 30 lbs., but necessary speed was lacking.
          Cayley had shown, in 1809, how success might be attained by developing the idea of the plane surface so driven as to take advantage of the resistance offered by the air, and Henson, who as early as 1840 was experimenting with model gliders and light steam engines, evolved and patented an idea for something very nearly resembling the monoplane of the early twentieth century.
          And they gave clues up to 1888, (20 years before the Wright Brothers Flight) to anyone who thought independently, (yes, l won't say it...) to the so called experts and the masses, blindly following them that it was impossible!

          The Wright Brothers knew that if their engines could develop sufficient thrust then it should work.

          They ignored the idiot in the hall scribbling his calculations on a board, telling everyone that powered flight was impossible, due to too many degree's on their walls, and their ego's and self worth being inflated by their statue in the community.

          Evidence leads to breakthroughs, following mass media and experts leads to stagnation.

          I would recommend doing some research before commenting, or at least go and watch the Flight of The Phoenix again.....?

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          So these mythical models (which you would never had access to anyway) were gliders and a prototype that couldn't support itself.

          And from that information that you would never have had access to you would've been convinced a flying machine was possible.

          Instead of saying other people should do research you should actually read the items you post as proof of your claims.

          And ROFLMAO at someone who gets their information from the Murdoch owned Herald Sun complaining about the MSM. I bet you don't even know how to spell irony.

          I suppose you'll delete this post anyway, but don't worry, after the last time I'm starting to keep copies of all my replies to you, and when, not if, you delete them I'll simply repost them verbatim at the other place.

          The publication of the patent attracted a great amount of public attention, and the illustrations in contemporary journals, representing the machine flying over the pyramids and the Channel,
          This was the post that was proof of claim.

          aviation timeline 1800 to 1900

          You may notice that this was published in a journal, a public one!


          Early aviators were able to enjoy a taste of personalized flight using gliders, and these devices set the stage for powered flight. Otto Lilienthal designed and tested the most successful gliders of the time, using designs inspired by his studies of the anatomical structure of bird wings. Lilienthal's work helped persuade the scientific community and the public that powered flight could one day be practical--even though he died in 1896 due to injuries sustained in a glider crash.
          Around the same time, Smithsonian Secretary Samuel Pierpont Langley was designing and testing a motorized flying machine known as the Aerodrome. Successful flights of unpiloted model versions in 1896 prompted the U.S. War Department to fund Langley's work building a full-size Aerodrome capable of carrying a human pilot. The program ended in disaster: on its maiden voyage in 1903, and the program abandoned.
          https://library.si.edu/exhibition/fa...f-the-aeronaut

          Overwhelming evidence, or as you put it, mythical gliders.

          As for copying my replys with yours, l can't stop that, but you are probably breaking some rules if you do so?

          And l know how to spell irony, as well as other appropriate words!

          As well as knowing that Any negative comments made against the mods here will be immediately deleted or removed in the future!

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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Overwhelming evidence, or as you put it, mythical gliders.
            So you still don't know the difference between a glider and a self propelling flying machine.
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          • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            As for copying my replys with yours, l can't stop that, but you are probably breaking some rules if you do so?
            Can you please show us the forum rules for this? I'm curious because many people go back and edit their own replies after someone has already responded. I'm SURE they don't want to be breaking rules.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

              Can you please show us the forum rules for this? I'm curious because many people go back and edit their own replies after someone has already responded. I'm SURE they don't want to be breaking rules.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism

              when material whose use is restricted by copyright, (is your creation) is used without consent
              So it does not apply to changing your own material, but of said material, is used without your permission elsewhere it could constitute a breach.

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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism



                So it does not apply to changing your own material, but of said material, is used without your permission elsewhere it could constitute a breach.

                Another attempt at changing the goalposts.

                If I, or even you, post something on a forum there are no rules or laws against you posting exactly the same thing, or even an edited version of said post on any, or every other forum.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  Another attempt at changing the goalposts.

                  If I, or even you, post something on a forum there are no rules or laws against you posting exactly the same thing, or even an edited version of said post on any, or every other forum.
                  I don't change the goalposts, l consider other options.

                  As you know, unless it is copyrighted and specifically made for this forum only.

                  Have a nice day,...

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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    I don't change the goalposts, l consider other options.

                    As you know, unless it is copyrighted and specifically made for this forum only.

                    Have a nice day,...

                    No, you moved the goalposts again.

                    First you claimed that I would breaking the forum's rules if I posted a verbatim copy of a WF post by me on another forum. When that was proven to be erroneous, you moved the goalposts to the topic of plagiarism. You cannot plagiarise yourself for the same reason you can't sue yourself.

                    Now you've moved them again with the above quoted non sequitur.

                    The copyright for any and all posts is owned by the poster. So yes, you can't copy and paste my posts and claim them as your own (unless I give you permission), but you can copy and paste your own posts and post them everywhere.

                    Show me the rule whereby WF owns the copyright for what I, you, and every one else posts on here, and how anything that gets posted on here can't be posted elsewhere.

                    Or are you saying that the WF can sue you for copyright infringement because you posted the same topic(s) on here as well the other place?

                    What a tangled web you weave.
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              • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism



                So it does not apply to changing your own material, but of said material, is used without your permission elsewhere it could constitute a breach.

                From your link:
                Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.

                As if anyone would want to take credit for your thoughts. Seriously Shane? And, by your implication of a copyright violation, every single time someone quotes another person, here, there, anywhere (even when the credit for the author is given), we'd all be in violation:
                Copyright is a form of intellectual property, applicable to certain forms of creative work. Some, but not all jurisdictions require "fixing" copyrighted works in a tangible form. It is often shared among multiple authors, each of whom holds a set of rights to use or license the work, and who are commonly referred to as rights holders.[citation needed][4][5][6][7] These rights frequently include reproduction, control over derivative works, distribution, public performance, and moral rights such as attribution.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                  From your link:
                  Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.

                  As if anyone would want to take credit for your thoughts. Seriously Shane? And, by your implication of a copyright violation, every single time someone quotes another person, here, there, anywhere (even when the credit for the author is given), we'd all be in violation:
                  Copyright is a form of intellectual property, applicable to certain forms of creative work. Some, but not all jurisdictions require "fixing" copyrighted works in a tangible form. It is often shared among multiple authors, each of whom holds a set of rights to use or license the work, and who are commonly referred to as rights holders.[citation needed][4][5][6][7] These rights frequently include reproduction, control over derivative works, distribution, public performance, and moral rights such as attribution.
                  I agree quoting others words here is obviously not included, or editing.

                  But if someone cuts and pastes an entire thread, then it becomes a legal mess.

                  So if someone pasted a thread, with the WF logo up top, (elsewhere) then that is one breach, and if the original poster/s see's it elsewhere and asks that it be removed, (which is the same as not giving permission initially) then it is another issue that could depending on the respective forum owners legal team, be in breach of copyright law in the country of origin.

                  This law of copyright ownership, or the original creator, covers a country or countrys, (so the crap about centralizing is irrelevant) and sure that the law my be fuzzy in relation to postings, but it all depends on the owners and what constitutes a breach or not.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    I agree quoting others words here is obviously not included, or editing.

                    But if someone cuts and pastes an entire thread, then it becomes a legal mess.

                    So if someone pasted a thread, with the WF logo up top, (elsewhere) then that is one breach, and if the original poster/s see's it elsewhere and asks that it be removed, (which is the same as not giving permission initially) then it is another issue that could depending on the respective forum owners legal team, be in breach of copyright law in the country of origin.

                    This law of copyright ownership, or the original creator, covers a country or countrys, (so the crap about centralizing is irrelevant) and sure that the law my be fuzzy in relation to postings, but it all depends on the owners and what constitutes a breach or not.

                    Um, where did someone say that they would copy/paste the entire thread, use the WF logo ????? I think you're thinking of a past member who derailed and is sitting under a tree, in his underwear, counting flower petals.

                    You're reaching (again) Shane. You have no point to prove, but I'm sure you're gonna keep trying!
                    <-- don't report me bro for using your 'copyrighted' emoticon.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                      Um, where did someone say that they would copy/paste the entire thread, use the WF logo ????? I think you're thinking of a past member who derailed and is sitting under a tree, in his underwear, counting flower petals.

                      You're reaching (again) Shane. You have no point to prove, but I'm sure you're gonna keep trying!
                      <-- don't report me bro for using your 'copyrighted' emoticon.

                      Past member sitting under a tree in his underwear, counting flower petals, l would say that you are getting warmer.

                      Report you never!

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                      • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
                        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                        Past member sitting under a tree in his underwear, counting flower petals, l would say that you are getting warmer.

                        Report you never!

                        LOL.. getting warmer? It was my statement, and I think I nailed it.

                        Now, as far as someone copy/pasting conversations into their own PERSONAL files, for reference, no law against that. Period. I do it all the time. I save my PM's so I can refer back to them when needed. I also save conversations, threads for the same reason.

                        You have no reason to report me, and have had no reasons in the past, either. But, yeah, cool that you extended me the favor. Thanks!

                        My point in getting involved with this thread was because you made yet another outrageous claim about what someone is allowed to do and not do, and assumed their intentions.
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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    So if someone pasted a thread, with the WF logo up top, (elsewhere) then that is one breach
                    Moving the goalposts again. First you said it's "against the rules" to post something on another forum after the same person posted it here, now you're talking about copying an entire thread with the Warrior Forum logo/trademark included. That is the very definition of moving the goalposts. You miss the goal so you move the posts to where you think you can score. The problem is you keep missing no matter where you move them to.

                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    This law of copyright ownership, or the original creator, covers a country or countrys,
                    Wrong again. Copyright is covered under the Berne Convention (look it up), which covers....

                    As of February 2018, there are 176 states that are parties to the Berne Convention. This includes 173 UN member states plus the Cook Islands, the Holy See and Niue.
                    By anyone's reckoning that's pretty much the entire world, not just one country or even a few.

                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    and sure that the law my be fuzzy in relation to postings,but it all depends on the owners and what constitutes a breach or not.
                    No, it isn't fuzzy at all. A breach of copyright is pretty easy to understand, even for non-legally trained people The owner(s) of the copyright is/are he/she/those that created the work in question. Copyright is not in the least bit dependent on who the owner/creator of the work is, or what country they live in.

                    You missed. Again. Time to move the goalposts. Again.
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                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    I agree quoting others words here is obviously not included, or editing.

                    But if someone cuts and pastes an entire thread, then it becomes a legal mess.

                    S
                    this concept is screwing the world up and becoming a source of a huge loss of freedom for modern humans ..

                    if you assume the mass of humanity is stupid .. then you can start to us the argument to prevent basically anything.. based on someone doing it in a dumb way that may injure themselves or ..cause a legal mess ..and instead of dealing with that extremely dumb person ..when they do it ..

                    you have to treat everyone like they are a step away from doing that dumb freaking thing ..and prevent them from doing a lot of things ..

                    i can explain much better if you want examples .. but when people are copying and pasting posts ..or their own post ..that are non copyrighted .. don't smack their hands .. and treat them like they are some idiot ..who the next time they will copy copyrighted stuff.. see wait for them to actually post something that is copyrighted or breaks the rule to punish them..
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                  Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                  intellectual.
                  I ain't sayin nuthin' . . . . . .
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    I ain't sayin nuthin' . . . . . .
                    "Intellectual", the elephant in the room.
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                      Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

                      "Intellectual", the elephant in the room.
                      I don't see any elephants in this room. :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          So let's recap shall we.

          Here's what Shane posted originally:

          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          No, l would have been one of the few people that saw model planes fly way before powered flight,
          When I pointed out that there were no model planes, he came back with "proof" that papers published in the 19th century supported his claim. In the 19th century he would never have been aware these papers existed from his home in Melbourne. He also doesn't seem to understand the difference between published papers and working models.

          His claim, quoted above, states quite plainly that he would've seen working models of flying machines, and yet can only find evidence that published papers existed prior to the Wright Brothers. This apparently puts me in my place and I should never question his genius again.

          We've seen this time and time again whenever anyone points out how ludicrous his claims are. He simply moves the goalposts and claims victory.


          PUBLISHED PAPERS ≠ WORKING MODELS
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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            We've seen this time and time again whenever anyone points out how ludicrous his claims are. He simply moves the goalposts and claims victory.
            I know. It's what happened over and over again in the "Lottery Psychic" debacle.

            Lots of people do this.

            I've seen it happen in conversations, where one person is corrected, and then restates what they said before, in a way that allows them to now position themselves as the smart one. Most people will just double down on their position. But some are simply interested in seeing themselves as "The smart one", and not as interested in the position. So they change the position...so they can still claim to be right. In neither case does learning take place, but learning is never the goal.

            And again, it always...without exception...comes from someone that isn't knowledgeable about what they are discussing. I've come to the conclusion that the reason they keep doing it is that they aren't aware that the other person may know more than they do.

            A related problem is absolutely being unable to imagine that you are wrong...or that someone else could possibly know more than you do. Every disagreement on facts is seen as an attack, rather than a learning experience.

            To be fair, I see it all the time. It isn't just here, or from one person.


            Classic Dunning-Kruger effect. There is no cure, unfortunately.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I've come to the conclusion that the reason they keep doing it is that they aren't aware that the other person may know more than they do.
              Thankfully, that's a possibility that I'll never need to contemplate.

              Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          And most physicists and mathematicians back them thought that powered flight was impossible, and told the public.

          I would recommend that you go back to the Wright Brothers thread.

          Thank you!

          I actually went back and read the entire previous thread. Here.

          https://www.warriorforum.com/off-top...had-flown.html

          Evidently, in your mind...you somehow won an argument in that thread. But that thread is almost a reflection of this one. You making claims....posting a resource or two that in no way backs up your claims.....and then claiming some sort of victory.

          And your statement "And most physicists and mathematicians back them thought that powered flight was impossible, and told the public." isn't even close to being true.

          I even read the same article that you got all your quotes from.

          The only person with any science background that thought that heavier than air flight wouldn't work was Simon Newcomb, a mathematician. And what he said was that they wouldn't be able to land the plane without crashing, because at a slow enough speed, the plane simply drops out of the air.

          Of course, he was right. The only thing he didn't know was that the planes would be able to land while still at flight speed. That is why we need runways to get the lift needed to fly a plane...or land a plane. But there were no runways back then.

          " ....most physicists and mathematicians back them thought that powered flight was impossible.."? Not at all. The public thought it was impossible, because they had never seen it before. reporters thought it was nonsense.... But physicists? engineers? They already understood all the principles involved. They knew about propellers and how wings provided lift. Kites were popular...

          In fact, the first test flight was without a person, and the plane was flown as a kite.

          The only problem to overcome was an engine light enough and the ability to steer a plane.

          This is another case of you simply making something up...to fit your idea that science is bad, and superstition is good.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I agree quoting others words here is obviously not included, or editing.

          But if someone cuts and pastes an entire thread, then it becomes a legal mess.

          Why can't you - for once - simply admit you might be wrong instead of making up scenarios to 'prove' something? Legal advice? No.


          This is not an argument you will 'win' so why pursue it?
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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            This is not an argument you will 'win' so why pursue it?
            Oh, I don't know. Maybe simply because old habits die hard?

            Of course, 'old habit' could just be a euphemism for addiction. :-)

            Oh, and before any of you deranged self-proclaimed copywriters attack me, 'a' euphemism is correct. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          'a' euphemism is correct

          Of course it is - "an euphemism" would be silly
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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Of course it is - "an euphemism" would be silly
            Yes - you'd think that was obvious. I've had more than one person slam me for it. lol

            Just like, "a energy source,' would be incorrect.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          more than one person slam me for it

          People are often very anxious to display their incorrect knowledge....


          Such a simple rule - if the beginning of the word SOUNDS LIKE a vowel....we use "a". If the beginning of word SOUNDS LIKE a consonant....we use "an".


          Of course, then you have to explain vowels, consonants, what they 'sound like' - and there we go again....
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Such a simple rule - if the beginning of the word SOUNDS LIKE a vowel....we use "a". If the beginning of word SOUNDS LIKE a consonant....we use "an".
            This is as good a explanation as what any I have seen.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            People are often very anxious to display their incorrect knowledge....


            Such a simple rule - if the beginning of the word SOUNDS LIKE a vowel....we use "a". If the beginning of word SOUNDS LIKE a consonant....we use "an".


            Of course, then you have to explain vowels, consonants, what they 'sound like' - and there we go again....
            It's actually the reverse.

            I'll leave quietly.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I'll leave quietly.
              That's nice, but quickly would be much more appreciated.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                That's nice, but quickly would be much more appreciated.
                I can leave quickly or quietly...but not both....

                The forklift makes way too much noise.
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  The Bucyrus Erie crane makes way too much noise.
                  Edited for accuracy.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Edited for accuracy.
                    Now you're just exaggerating.
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Now you're just exaggerating.
                      Now your just deflecting out of sheer embarrassment.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        Now your just deflecting out of sheer embarrassment.
                        I have many many faults and weaknesses. Being embarrassed isn't one of them. Also I cannot be offended.

                        Come to think about it...those really are weaknesses.

                        Never mind.
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                        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          I have many many faults and weaknesses. Being embarrassed isn't one of them. Also I cannot be offended.

                          Come to think about it...those really are weaknesses.

                          Never mind.
                          Even though, you must have been a little "Relieved" to find you could order your Adult Diapers online rather that have to take them to some 16 year old girl at the checkout at Walmart.

                          It's nothing to be ashamed of.

                          People wear them Incontinence all over the world.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            People are often very anxious to display their incorrect knowledge....


            Such a simple rule - if the beginning of the word SOUNDS LIKE a vowel....we use "a". If the beginning of word SOUNDS LIKE a consonant....we use "an".


            Of course, then you have to explain vowels, consonants, what they 'sound like' - and there we go again....
            i am fine with people displaying incorrect knowledge .. as i understand much of what i know is probably incorrect .. and i will throw ideas out to people who i feel know more than me about something.. to get better knowledge from them ..

            It when people feel that their incorrect knowledge is not only correct .. but it is being hidden from the masses .. and would change everything .. and if revealed to everyone .. would usher in better time or foment a revolution against some oppressor .. and if everyone believed this knowledge .. there would be sudden world piece and everything would just get better ..

            or if you believed their incorrect knowledge everyone would see this plot around the corner to herd everyone into camps and cull 90 percent of the human population .. and put chips in everyone .. to control them ..
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Hmmmm- so you are on the side of "an euphemism" and "a energy"?


            Things seemed so clear...for just a little while....
            No. The opposite. (Unless you are teasing me, then Never Mind)


            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Such a simple rule - if the beginning of the word SOUNDS LIKE a vowel....we use "a". If the beginning of word SOUNDS LIKE a consonant....we use "an".
            My Dearest Kay.

            You really do have it reversed. Read your post again.

            If it sounds like a vowel, you use "an"...if it sounds like a consonant, you use "A'.
            An apple...
            A piano.
            A euphemism
            An energy.
            A Riffle
            An idiot (of course, now I'm being redundant)
            An emphasis
            A poophead (back to Riffle again, sorry)


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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          It's actually the reverse.

          Hmmmm- so you are on the side of "an euphemism" and "a energy"?


          Things seemed so clear...for just a little while....
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Don't mean to sound rude....but....huh?


          herd everyone into camps and cull 90 percent of the human population .. and put chips in everyone .. to control them ..

          Not that it's a bad idea, but doubt it would lead to 'world piece'......sure would clean out the cobwebs though, wouldn't it?
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Don't mean to sound rude....but....huh?





            Not that it's a bad idea, but doubt it would lead to 'world piece'......sure would clean out the cobwebs though, wouldn't it?
            Sorry about that..but is seems to be a common set of beliefs when you get into people who actually thinK a lot of the stuff Shane thinks is accurate /real or hidden .. is real ..
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          We're discussing the correct use of English in a thread titled "What is the world coming too?"

          OK. Carry on...
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Yup - and 100 posts in a thread started by someone who joined, started this thread, logged out and never came back again.


            Our WF version of infotainment? ...not much info and not much 'tainment, but....
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            We're discussing the correct use of English in a thread titled "What is the world coming too?"

            OK. Carry on...
            If you think it's a discussion...you don't know me...

            To me, I have Kay King on the ropes in a head lock....and she's 5 seconds away from tapping out.

            This is a singular moment in my life. I am right, and Kay is wrong. This has never happened before, and I am going to milk it for all it's worth.

            Surrender Dear Kay.....submit to my single moment of "Correct Use Of English Superiority".

            If you don't surrender, I'll punch Riffle in the nose, and his blood will be on your hands.

            OK, technically his blood will be on my hands...probably some snot as well....so...his blood and snot will be on my hands. But I will tell the police that you put me up to it. And once I explain this whole "A or An" debacle.....he'll take my side...maybe.

            Yes, it is an incredibly slow day.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              "Correct Use Of English Superiority".
              ROFLMAO at an American who claims superior knowledge of the English language.

              Is there an American word for irony? Or perhaps he just has a great sense of humour. Whatever, this post has brought some colour into a grey, overcast day.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              If you don't surrender, I'll punch Riffle in the nose
              Two points.

              1 Since you're being pedantic, you would punch Riffle ON the nose, not in it.

              2 Why would Kay not surrendering be considered a reason to punch Riffle? There are a multitude of legitimate reasons to punch Riffle, and absolutely no need to blame Kay for any of them. Perhaps you're feeling a twinge of guilt about punching Riffle. This is not a sign of compassion or humanity, it is a sign of weakness. Harden the f*#k up and do your duty.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            This is a singular moment in my life. I am right, and Kay is wrong. This has never happened before, and I am going to milk it for all it's worth.

            Sorry it took so long for me to reply - I was doing something interesting...but I'm back here now.


            If you don't surrender, I'll punch Riffle in the nose, and his blood will be on your hands.

            To save Riffle from this vicious attack, I admit i was wrong - I reversed a and an and that is ...unforgivable...or perhaps not all that important...not sure which.



            It's worth it to see the childish glee you take in being right...it's cute. Not adorable...but cute.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              To save Riffle from this vicious attack, I admit i was wrong - I reversed a and an and that is ...unforgivable...or perhaps not all that important...not sure which.
              It wasn't important at all....and that's why it was funny.


              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              It's worth it to see the childish glee you take in being right...it's cute. Not adorable...but cute.
              Truth be told...my childish glee wasn't in being right...it was in pretending to take glee in being right. I was also curious in how you would respond. I assumed you would either;
              1) Ignore it completely. or...
              2) Do what you did, go along with the joke.

              But now that you mention it...NOT ADORABLE?

              Good Day Madam!.....I said Good Day!


              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post


              1 Since you're being pedantic, you would punch Riffle ON the nose, not in it.
              The first punch may be on the nose...but the second one would be in his nose.

              And I did NOT have to look up "Pedantic"!



              Added later...

              What the hell are we talking about? Kitty Hawk? Copyright infringement? English usage? Punching Riffle in the nose?

              I choose punching Riffle in the nose.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            if you do have children, you kinda want them to have the choice of yours

            Best to raise children so they can function on their own - not so they have what you want them to have.



            You hope your children's lives will be easier and better than your own - or at least as good - but you can't do it for them.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            The original OP hasn't posted anything on here for more than 20 days, and nothing of real value is being added overall, so closing the thread, thankyou.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    So these mythical models (which you would never had access to anyway) were gliders and a prototype that couldn't support itself.

    And from that information that you would never have had access to you would've been convinced a flying machine was possible.

    Instead of saying other people should do research you should actually read the items you post as proof of your claims.

    And ROFLMAO at someone who gets their information from the Murdoch owned Herald Sun complaining about the MSM. I bet you don't even know how to spell irony.
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    Wait... did they put tagiscom as a mod here...? That's like making Claude head of security at the ACME doughnut factory
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    I am lost as to why this turned into a discussion about the Wright brothers ..who cares what even experts though was possible .. based on the tech ability of the day ..powered flight was basically impossible unti about the time the Wright brothers flew and a few teams where close to it at the same time..

    The same way dozens of people invented a lightbulb about the same time as edison..he just got to the patent office first and was the most popular ..

    there was plenty that was imposible 30 years ago .. that is now possible based off tech advances most people did not see coming ..

    what was it 10 years ago that autonomous cars where though to have been impossible as driving requires many skills the experts didn't think computers could replicate ..

    as for what is in the mass median and what isn't .. there a reason why news is based off the term if it bleeds it leads .. and CNN really stands for crisis news network .. so if there is no crisis there is no story
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  • Profile picture of the author romon132
    "what's the world coming to?" in English. something you say that means that life is not as pleasant or safe as it was in the past: What's the world coming to when you can't leave your house for five minutes without someone trying to break in and rob you?
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  • Droppin' my forensic specertakyewls fronta my innately uberdiztoid eyeballs, ima figurin' we meandered OFF Tahpic together so sublimely we all beached out in our favo kinda FFS Comfort Zone.


    Either this means li'l ol' Moi is SPREADEAGLED on a BEACH TOWEL, raisin' her ASS IN THE AIR to offer safe passage for sum STOOPID CRAB

    ...

    or I lodge a pernickety complaint to WF that OFF Tahpic as a concept is a kinda backwater far as maxin' IM smarts is concerned, even in jest ffs.


    (Acid test in alla this schwango is ... do invadin' aliens care? An' would a zaaahmbie Apocalypse make any kinda diffrence?)
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    People that is the reality , live your life and do the things you like to do !
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  • Profile picture of the author Adams70
    Originally Posted by infamist1 View Post

    With so many tradgic events happening world wide what do you feel the biggest problem is and why
    Global warming and human ignorance. All in all, the planet will survive. The other question is humanity.

    Originally Posted by macanohosting View Post

    People that is the reality , live your life and do the things you like to do !
    True. However, if you do have children, you kinda want them to have the choice of yours. Even tho out kids will have the opportunity, that might be not as easy for their children tho. This is where it might get worrying and not only "Live your life and do the things you like to do" (Personally I would love to). Or just do not have kids then...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Owsley
    Even though there are a lot of problems in the world as entrepreneurs it's our job to focus on creating solutions to help people live better, enjoy life, save the planet, make money, etc...
    Look at all of these challenges as opportunities to create a product or service that will enable people to overcome these obstacles.
    I don't know if the changes in the climate are due to natural events or human activity but if global warming is something you're concerned about then maybe pick one area like how to clean up all of the plastic in the ocean or clean up our contaminated waterways and bring a solution to that situation.

    It's important to notice a particular problem but as entrepreneurs let's focus on solving these problems and empowering people to overcome challenges. Even if you don't have the expertise to solve a problem you can educate people on a particular situation if you feel there is not enough being said or done about a situation.
    Creating solutions is what we do as entrepreneurs. I just want to encourage everyone to realize that we can be the ones to turn a situation from negative to positive, have a great impact on people's lives, and make some money too.

    Focus on solutions!


    Enjoy your outcome!
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    the biggest problem is the CIA and government.....(WORLD CARTEL) Targeting innocent civilians and planting them with nano chips and performing inhumane and involuntary experiments on them. hitting them with "space-satelitte" or Micro waves to slowly kill them invisibly and effectively 24/7 being tortured with mind control,hit with painful pulsed radar and energy guns....COOK YOU FROM THE INSIDES VERY SLOWLY. Its disguisting, and something needs to be done. If you dont believe this is going on even PRES. TRUMP is fighting for these TI's with the DEEP STATE. or research it, see where the US keeps these SUPER COPMUTERS and how uych money has been sunk into them this past 10years... the war never ended. Do your research.Gang stalking is for lazy ppl who dont want to work. They want to work with the psychopaths who sit on there ass all day and flash their high beams at ppl that are really killing them...but atleast you got a new BEAMER! you lazy psycho[ath! get a real job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Meggy Megz View Post

      get a real job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Take your meds!!!
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