In your Opinion: How can Good Thrive in a wicked World? Been on mind all day.

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This subject has been creeping in and out my mind for awhile now: really wondering how Good can thrive in an evil and Wicked World. am not a negative person, i see all the Good happening all around, but, i have recently been confronted with some realities in our world that breaks my heart.
The Violence, Killings, Manslaughter, Rape, Racism, Poverty, and Worst of all.... Rebellion against The Highest Ruling Sovereign.
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  • That makes two of us!

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  • The world isn't wicked or evil any more than it is good.

    And everyone thinks that they are "good", even the worst of us.
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    • And you would know. You are the worst of us.
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    • It's not that you are evil...it's just that you are good for nothing.
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    • That's really interesting!!!! what a revelation on how people now think!!!!
  • well first of all don't do any of those things you think are wicked ..and don't be one of those jack wits.. who is doing a wicked thing .. but then running around on a public crusade against people doing the wicked thing you are doing ..

    Poverty around the world in the historic sense is being rapidly eliminated.. but you can always move the bar up as to what poverty is ..so you can never end poverty in that case ..
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    • Not even murder?

      Let's be logical...if murder was so bad, there would be a law against it.
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  • When you think things are bad just watch videos of puppies....

    Try Not To Laugh | Funny Puppies Compilation 2017 - YouTube
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    The World isn't a wicked place (IMO). Generally speaking it's a very good place.

    However there definitely are wicked things happening. Similar to what Kay said: When you focus on all the bad that's all you will see ... At the same time, when you focus on all the good, beauty, and wonder (etc.) that's what you will see as well.

    The World "without" is a reflection of the World "within".
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    • Deep. Did you steal that from Ryan? lol
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      but what if you're caught in a house fire
    • I actually agree with that. But if you focus on beauty.....you tend to miss the dangers, the miss steps. my thought is...almost no matter what happens today, good or bad...5 years from now I'm going to have forgotten it anyway.

      And in ten years I'll be dead...and Dan Riffle is the one that killed me.

      Ignore me. Menopause.




      Ah, but the world within is also a reflection of the world without. And a world without reflection is a world of no image unto itself....for without a mirror to cast the reflection... the reflection as seen from.......um..... reflection, the world.....the lens of.....as seen through....um...carry the two.......quantum physics.....

      What the hell were we talking about?
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  • And who would that be??
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    • getting into that would violate discussing politics.. or religion
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  • I did that was horrific, l will have nightmares about puppies from now on!



    Geesh, we have already told Claude Not to send a box of donuts to members in exchange for a positive remark.

    And keep away from the ones with green icing.

    I would say that we need to update the no politics or religion rule.......

  • Fear is an illusion buddy. A hologram. It is not real.

    But most human beings operate through their mind, not their heart, so since the mind sees and believes this illusory, un-real fear energy, you see wickedness. All mind's fault. Basing reality on appearances, or illusions, and then blaming humanity for buying into a dream that never existed.

    Love people. Be kind. Be generous. Smile. Laugh. Dive into your own fear illusions. Read a book like A Course in Miracles. Eye opener for me.

    Love is real. Fear is illusion. Repeat to yourself, embody this idea and more of humanity will follow your example, spreading love and truth and harmony in the world.

    Ryan
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      Jim Jones, is that you.
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    • So.....what about anger, lust, envy, contentment, mirth, joy, melancholy, surprise, pride, happiness? Which of them are real and which are illusions? Is there a grading system?

      How is fear an illusion? It's a feeling, like love. Are you saying that positive feelings are real, and bad feelings are an illusion? Why would you think that?

      If you try a new food and it tastes bad, is that an illusion? If you like the taste, is that real?

      Fears always felt real to me.



      I want to publicly state today...for the record...that my world revolves around you. If you say a word or a name...I write it down and think about it all day. I can't wait to use it in a sentence. It makes me feel alive.

      And now that you said Milton Berle, I will be constantly thinking of a way to use it myself.

      Thank you...thank you for the inspiration you have given me over the last few years.

      I see you also used the words "couple of days ago".....and I distinctly remember using that phrase recently. So the evidence is clear...you and I teach each other...love each other...and share the same words back and forth.

      And remember Kurt...love is real...fear is illusion. But hate....hate gets me through the day.

      And the cold sweat of despair is what fuels my apathy...which is also illusion....except when coupled with pensiveness.
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    • Claude tried to read "Chicken Soup for the Soul" but threw it away when he realized that is wasn't a cookbook.

      Well he tried to eat part of it first, but that is a given!

  • He has been off them for months, trust me on that.

  • Most human beings operate through their mind because that where their intellect and basic bodily functions originate.

    You know who operates through her heart? Tinker Bell.

    The 'Ignore' functionality needs to be enhanced, to NOT show quoted posts of the person placed on ignore. lol
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    • I'd like to put Milton Berle on Ignore....

      See? I knew I was going to say Milton Berle at some point.
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  • We cannot change these realities... History has proven this. We can only change ourselves. Most times, what we see reflects of who we are and what we are becoming.
  • I kinda knoo the deeper I dropped into this comment trail, the likelier I'd find myself takin' in a large member & wondrin' what in hell it had to do with the original question.


    Prolly I psychic.
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    • I knew you would say that.
    • Yes, the Psychic Squid has recently perished, so we are only left with the Irish Pig, sniff.

      But l have to admit that he brings home the bacon, and doesn't squeal about it, lol.

  • World is Beautiful....The people who commit crimes are also Good but they Just lack sense and sometimes they get greedy.If they are taught with love and respect they would understand their mistake.
  • maybe a tad off topic.

    When I see criminals...even the worst of them, I see them as broken...defective.

    Whether their world view is skewed badly, or they have impulses beyond their control, or they were abused badly enough to make them violent...whatever the reason...

    There is something wrong with them.

    People with healthy brains don't abuse other people. They don't have impulse control problems, they aren't violent.

    Why? Because these things are harmful to the person that has these symptoms. Of course they are harmful to their victims as well.

    And a question I have asked before...if you were trapped on an island all by yourself....no other living thing except plant life....no hope of escape....you are all alone for the rest of your life...

    Could you do anything evil? Could you do good? Evil and good are in the eye of the beholder. If there is nobody else on the island to behold....how could it be moral ir immoral?

    Anyway, back to work for me.
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    • Yes. Morality is a conceived notion or set of principals based on how one acts and reacts to his environment. The key to your scenario is, as the sole arbiter of morality, you would get to decide your own moral rules, therefore your definition would determine right or wrong.

      Typically, morality is an overly social construct - or social contract - that we have with those around us. If nobody's around, you maintain it within yourself. Over time, as you descend into lunacy, your morality will probably fall to the wayside as you transition from a social human being into a feral creature stalking the island's crabs. You'd still weigh things as right or wrong, but the determining factors would be mostly self-indulgent. So, basically, how you live now.
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    • You could kill yourself. Some groups consider that immoral.

      Your funniest post, ever!
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  • I believe 95% of morality is pretty easy to define. Simply it's the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. This basic concept is the foundation for many of the World's religions and philosophies.

    Some of the 5% that becomes harder to define is in isolation, as Claude pointed out., when there's no one to treat as you'd want to be treated. I do think this can still apply to animals for food. We have to eat, but we don't have to torture the animals we catch and can try to ease their pain as much as possible...but in a survival situation the #1 Law of Nature takes over, which is "eat and don't be eaten".
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    • Chimps and some other higher animals also show reciprocity, fairness, and the ability to judge others as unfair. Watching a group of chimps trade favors, help others use tools, teach other chimp's young how to crack open nuts and clams...how to share....and how to banish those who don't share.

      And they don't have any religion or philosophy at all. Much of this seems to be instinctual. (at least to me)

      I suspect that we would be much the same with morality, whether we invented churches, laws, hierarchy.
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  • as far as the golden rule ..very few people actually practice it ..and there are a whole bunch of those age old rules people ignore on a regular basis .. as people generally treat other differently based on their perceive higher or lower station if the power order or economic ladder .. than them .

    morale and criminal behaviour is relative to the environment you are in and what the social order ..how much benign harmless crap has been turned into criminal behaviors at one point in time ..right now communities on the west coast .. seattle ,santa barbara .. and many others are bassing bans on plastice straws ..get caught handing out a few dozen straws to people .. get fined and face jail time for each seperate straw .. drop trow and crap on the side walk in the middle of the day in parts of california .. the cops don't even bother handing out a ticket ..

    get caught with cigarette rolling papers and no tobacco .. you can be charged with a drug paraphernalia charge ..that gets you harsher penalties than actually having illegal drugs ..

    have to much money on you in the eyes of a cop in many parts of the country .. they can sieze the money from you without actually charging you with a crime ..

    Here in tucson arizona .. they have just passed a smoking ban on any public land and all land not privatly owned .

    at what point do these stupid laws start adding up with harsher penalties than violent crimes .. do people just start picking and choosing what laws they follow and when .. or people who would normally not break laws give up and pick and chose ..

    a few girls dancing in the woods in salem a few hundred years ago while a black slave woman was playing a drum .. set of the witch trials .. which turned out to be the country folk against the wealther town folk.. or some such ..

    we may be more inteligent .. and this may be on of the better countries to live in... but morality and immorality .. when parent can train their children to scream at smokers from 40 feet away .. "why are you killing me "

    WE are not much better ..no when we have 3 time more people in prisons than the rest of the planet and for longer terms

    (as for the lone person on the island would finding a way to destroy as much of the plant life on the island or slashing and burning it .. until there was no food to eat .. would that be considered evil, suicide or bad ..
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    In your Opinion: How can Good Thrive in a wicked World? Been on mind all day.

    This subject has been creeping in and out my mind for awhile now: really wondering how Good can thrive in an evil and Wicked World. am not a negative person, i see all the Good happening all around, but, i have recently been confronted with some realities in our world that breaks my heart. The Violence, Killings, Manslaughter, Rape, Racism, Poverty, and Worst of all.... Rebellion against The Highest Ruling Sovereign.