The Weight Of The Earth Is Out Of Balance

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Last night I saw on of those Science Channel magazine docu's.

In it there was a piece about the pole location moving slowly away from where it is now, so the Earth's tilt is increasing. Inexplicably though, instead of going in one direction it has suddenly reversed.Eventually, they said, the pole or top of the Earth will be an iced over Europe. The US will be a barren drought ridden wasteland. This movement is increasing.in speed quite alarmingly

The explanation is man made they say, because, although you think the Earth is pretty solid, humans moving around heavy material is making the earth heavier on one side. The main culprits are India and China. China's out of control construction work filling the landscape with heavy buildings and concrete and India pumping up and distributing ground water on a colossal scale, is they say, having an effect.

The solution is to either stop or gather together some heavy material on the other side of the Earth to balance it out.

Hmmm
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Last night I saw on of those Science Channel magazine docu's.

    In it there was a piece about the pole location moving slowly away from where it is now, so the Earth's tilt is increasing. Inexplicably though, instead of going in one direction it has suddenly reversed.Eventually, they said, the pole or top of the Earth will be an iced over Europe. The US will be a barren drought ridden wasteland. This movement is increasing.in speed quite alarmingly

    The explanation is man made they say, because, although you think the Earth is pretty solid, humans moving around heavy material is making the earth heavier on one side. The main culprits are India and China. China's out of control construction work filling the landscape with heavy buildings and concrete and India pumping up and distributing ground water on a colossal scale, is they say, having an effect.

    The solution is to either stop or gather together some heavy material on the other side of the Earth to balance it out.

    Hmmm
    Unfortunately, on the Science channel, they include the most speculative and Woo Woo shows.
    To put it in perspective, the Earth is a molten blob, surrounded by a crust that is as thin (comparatively) as the skin of an apple.

    Even the moving of entire continents moves the axis of the Earth very little. Why? Because the Earth is mostly liquid and any moving of continents (let alone machinery) would cause a slight dimple in magma, and the gravity would self correct. If the Earth were solid, it would be different. It's why mountain ranges don't cause the Earth to wobble.

    Let me put it another way..

    If we had a globe that showed the mountains in the correct scale...the Earth would be smoother than a cue ball.

    Yeah, I know...blob...cue ball...
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Unfortunately, on the Science channel, they include the most speculative and Woo Woo shows.
      To put it in perspective, the Earth is a molten blob, surrounded by a crust that is as thin (comparatively) as the skin of an apple.

      Even the moving of entire continents moves the axis of the Earth very little.

      Let me put it another way..

      If we had a globe that showed the mountains in the correct scale...the Earth would be smoother than a cue ball.

      Yeah, I know...blob...cue ball...
      I was surprised by this feature. It seemed like an April fools Joke.

      And anyway, you alone would be the perfect counterbalance, thanks for being there.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Last night I saw on of those Science Channel magazine docu's.

    In it there was a piece about the pole location moving slowly away from where it is now, so the Earth's tilt is increasing. Inexplicably though, instead of going in one direction it has suddenly reversed.Eventually, they said, the pole or top of the Earth will be an iced over Europe. The US will be a barren drought ridden wasteland. This movement is increasing.in speed quite alarmingly

    The explanation is man made they say, because, although you think the Earth is pretty solid, humans moving around heavy material is making the earth heavier on one side. The main culprits are India and China. China's out of control construction work filling the landscape with heavy buildings and concrete and India pumping up and distributing ground water on a colossal scale, is they say, having an effect.

    The solution is to either stop or gather together some heavy material on the other side of the Earth to balance it out.

    Hmmm
    Noooooooooooooo, geesh isn't the other disaster enough!

    Just finished watching a episode on Stargate Atlantis where they were creating a localized heatsink, and sending the heat through a space/time bridge, to "Save the Planet".

    To my surprize it had the guy out of Cosmos as a key actor and someone else with a bow tie, that McKay referred to as a moron, so at least the entire show did have some reality in tow.

    Apart from McKays stupid remarks at the end on the jet, the rest was something out of a Little Golden Book.

    The dirty laundry will be aired soon enough.

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    Like Archimedes said, "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move Claude."
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Like Archimedes said, "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move Claude."
      Nothing moves Claude except a Krispy Kreme Van!

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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Magnetic poles have reversed many, many times over millennia.

    Geomagnetic Reversal
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      Magnetic poles have reversed many, many times over millennia.

      Geomagnetic Reversal
      True, but what is being talked about is a physical movement regarding the orientation of the Earth. Whatever is at the top and bottom will be angled away from the sun, so be much colder than at the equator and covered with ice. It is being suggested that, Europe will be eventually at the top of the world and ice covered.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        It is being suggested that, Europe will be eventually at the top of the world and ice covered.
        I don't see anything wrong with this.
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I don't see anything wrong with this.
          Perhaps we can engineer it so it will just be over France
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Perhaps we can engineer it so it will just be over France
            That would be acceptable, too
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    The red spot on Jupiter is shrinking, due to global warming!

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      The Great Red Spot formed as most storms do on Jupiter, as elongated bands of wind that swirled into shape over time.
      But the Great Red Spot is a weird one. According to computer simulations based on our understanding of Jupiter's weather, it's rare for storms to last as long as the Great Red Spot has. And yet, here it is--shrinking, certainly, but persisting, quite stubbornly, for centuries. Scientists are still figuring out what it all means.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Thank you Janice - for the voice of reason and reality.



    The magnetic pull on the 'poles' has been discussed in this section before - back when we used to have real discussions, that is.



    I've always thought the magnetism was much more interesting than the 'woo woo' stuff anyway. Reading the article in the title of this thread will likely lead pols to call for a tax to 'fix it'....
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Thank you Janice - for the voice of reason and reality.



      The magnetic pull on the 'poles' has been discussed in this section before - back when we used to have real discussions, that is.



      I've always thought the magnetism was much more interesting than the 'woo woo' stuff anyway. Reading the article in the title of this thread will likely lead pols to call for a tax to 'fix it'....
      We had this in the UK under the Thatcher Government back in the 80's/90's. It was called the Poll tax. An attempt to standardize the government taxes on UK homes. The thing is, previously the amount of the taxes were based on the home's size so now, a person living in a two up, two down would pay the same as a rich person living in a mansion.

      Hugely unpopular and violent demonstrations ensued. It got revoked.
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    Whatever is at the top and bottom will be angled away from the sun, so be much colder than at the equator and covered with ice.

    So, sort of like it is now?
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    Yes, the present "the end of the world" concept, isn't enough, since foolish, disbelievers are voting against it, (apparently the people of the earth won't save it, if it costs too much) so we need a new disaster!

    I am beginning to believe that some people are not happy unless the world is ending!

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  • tbh I had rather hoped my modest mountainous projectiliture would be balanced ZACKLY opposite Moi on the globe by a hooman pyramid of performin' rodents.

    As I took a step, so would they -- balancin' evrythin' out all perfect on a reflex acrobat ticket.

    Seems now my scientific reasonin' be mere illoosion.

    An' it opens up the possibility that sum crazed scientist could perform srs Ant Man Goes Large tech stuffs on Kim Kardashian's butt -- with zero consequence bar the unpalatable wobblin'.

    "Let's power them cheeks ten miles into the sky! Planet can take it -- an' we can make a mint outta Star Wars fanatics desperate to recreate the Death Star Canyon Shootout scenes."

    Gotta figure also how Bahrain could use sum priapically-themed skyscrapers gonna tickle on the clouds.

    Tellya, we ain't careful, we gonna transform planet Oith into a fully-flanged sex toy.
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      tbh I had rather hoped my modest mountainous projectiliture would be balanced ZACKLY opposite Moi on the globe by a hooman pyramid of performin' rodents.

      As I took a step, so would they -- balancin' evrythin' out all perfect on a reflex acrobat ticket.

      Seems now my scientific reasonin' be mere illoosion.

      Tellya, we ain't careful, we gonna transform planet Oith into a fully-flanged sex toy.
      Probably the smartest thing l have heard on the impending doom thing, but let's hot harp on the hym book of "save my children" and "children should chuck it all" and listen to a real expert on climate change.

      I know Justin Beiber, Cher and Leonardo De Caprio are the real experts, but this is the real deal.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=golAjKMDuVk

      He is not saying that a left wing, climate change cult full of fanatics, relying on junk science is running the show, they still have the brainw,...reasonably education children, (Greta Thumper is a 16 year old kid, activist) to take over.

      He is probably saying cry wolf too many times, then individuals and countries won't buy it anymore!

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        Shee-it. i thought Jerry Seinfeld's stand up routines were pitiful, but that dickhead makes him look like a comedy genius.

        Oh, and BTW, if you want to see someone take the mickey out of environmentalists AND be funny, look up George Carlin. That's the way you do it.

        I hope that d***head hasn't given up his day job, otherwise he's going to starve.
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      • When I hear a climate change denier, I used to ask these questions to try to find out where the rational disconnect is. I asked questions along the logic chain.

        1) Are you saying that there are not exponentially increasing amounts of CO2 and Methane in the atmosphere, as all measurements indicate?

        2) Is it that you don't believe that CO2 or Methane are green house gasses that increase temperature?

        3) Is it that you don't believe that humans are largely responsible for spewing large amounts of CO2 and Methane into the atmosphere?

        4) is it that you don't believe that burning coal, car exhaust, and industry are sources of CO2 and Methane?

        5) Is it that you don't believe the temperature measurements around the globe, showing steady increases in global temperature?

        But it doesn't ever help. It's impossible to use reason to argue a belief that wasn't arrived at by reason. The answers to these questions always break down one of two ways...

        1) The person gets a little angry and says something like "You don't know everything"....or
        2) They try to make a joke about it.

        But it's never an intellectual argument.


        I'm not targeting anyone here...I mean it's the response from everyone that doesn't understand the climate science.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          When I hear a climate change denier, I used to ask these questions to try to find out where the rational disconnect is. I asked questions along the logic chain.

          1) Are you saying that there are not exponentially increasing amounts of CO2 and Methane in the atmosphere, as all measurements indicate?

          2) Is it that you don't believe that CO2 or Methane are green house gasses that increase temperature?

          3) Is it that you don't believe that humans are largely responsible for spewing large amounts of CO2 and Methane into the atmosphere?

          4) is it that you don't believe that burning coal, car exhaust, and industry are sources of CO2 and Methane?

          5) Is it that you don't believe the temperature measurements around the globe, showing steady increases in global temperature?

          But it doesn't ever help. It's impossible to use reason to argue a belief that wasn't arrived at by reason. The answers to these questions always break down one of two ways...

          1) The person gets a little angry and says something like "You don't know everything"....or
          2) They try to make a joke about it.

          But it's never an intellectual argument.


          I'm not targeting anyone here...I mean it's the response from everyone that doesn't understand the climate science.
          It's a conspiracy. Flood the Earth with excess greenhouse gasses and it will put all the companies that make Greenhouses out of business.There, you see my flawless logic. The anti Greenhouse Industry perpetrators must be brought to justice. I rest my case
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    I know there was a third party behind Gore, (900+ peer reviewed papers) not withstanding they were 100% wrong, 13 years later!

    And Cortez recently admitted that she was joking, l would say they all are!

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      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I know there was a third party behind Gore, (900+ peer reviewed papers) not withstanding they were 100% wrong, 13 years later!
      Really? 100% wrong? Where's the evidence of this?
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Really? 100% wrong? Where's the evidence of this?


        And this one to back up his 2016, (Inconvenient Truth) flooding predictions.


        According to him, scientists where overwhelmingly for his predictions, and 10 years later nothing happened, 13 years later or present day, nothing happened!

        Gore even shames one person who got fired and went to the oil job, so he clearly has no oil corporations behind him.

        You are welcome!

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        why bother?

        Conclusions that were arrived at without reason...cannot be argued with reason.
        That's just Unreasonable
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    Really? 100% wrong? Where's the evidence of this?

    Whatty -


    What are you thinking? Source consideration is a must.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Whatty -


      What are you thinking? Source consideration is a must.
      Yep. Mea culpa. I've had enough.
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    Thanks Odahh, for your previous deleted remark concerning this subject, but when someone is certified in their beliefs then laughing has precedence!

    Bertland Russel has nailed it.

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    Truth be told..


    The earth was straight up from the very beginning when Adam was the only male then Big G created a female and the earth tilted. Go Figure. Mean that in a good way,
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  • It is without doubt that the purpose of science is to reveal the truth first ... an' be denied or abused by real frickin' braindead types later.

    When Blake wrote 'bout Dark Satanic Mills, he wasn't positionin' himself as the #1 choice for funeral hymn lyrics -- he really saw the damage bein' done.

    Plastic is a contemporary pollutant analogous with alla the industrial SMOKE ... cos we can see it happnin'.

    Problem with climate change is how the evidence is not so immediately tangible as smoke gassin' the post-medieval Yookay ... an' soda bottles trapped in dead baby dolphins' throats.

    But if you follow the trail. molecule by molecule, it is clear that hoomanity's existence can't jus' happen without consequence.

    So we got multiple forces in play gonna figure the fyooture.

    There is brute ignorance in all its forms.

    An' there is denial.

    There is informed horror gonna turn things around.

    An' there is forensic revelation.

    What I don't get are the Apocalypse groops diggin' bunkers in the frickin' desert.

    I would wanna figure how a hardcore conviction 'bout a potential inevitable demands smarter interaction between available solootion providahs for the benefit of evrywan.

    Mom says I so left I can't walk straight -- but personally I blame the vodka.
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    • Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post


      What I don't get are the Apocalypse groops diggin' bunkers in the frickin' desert.
      If it were allowed, we would have put a bomb shelter..buried in our back yard.

      Not because of global warming, but because of the fear that eventually, we'll start attacking each other for resources.

      Now...this is just a fear. It isn't based on science or history. It's based (I'm not joking) on watching too many zombie apocalypse movies....and watching human behavior in mobs.

      One of the groups that I haven't figured out yet...are the Preppers. I don't know if they know less than the rest of us...or more. I just don't know.

      But at my age, if the world goes all crazy on us...I assume my wife and I will be two of the first to get killed.

      Old...slow....people...without guns. Yup. We'll be the first to be killed..or sacrificed.

      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      It's a conspiracy. Flood the Earth with excess greenhouse gasses and it will put all the companies that make Greenhouses out of business.There, you see my flawless logic. The anti Greenhouse Industry perpetrators must be brought to justice. I rest my case
      HA!
      You're an idiot. Greenhouses don't run on gas.

      By the way, when I was a kid, I didn't understand why a greenhouse was warmer than the outside air. Plants don't create CO2, they create Oxygen. So where does the heat come from?


      I never figured it out. I had to look it up as an adult.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        We'll be the first to be killed..or sacrificed.
        There's always a silver lining...
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        If it were allowed, we would have put a bomb shelter..buried in our back yard.

        Not because of global warming, but because of the fear that eventually, we'll start attacking each other for resources.

        Now...this is just a fear. It isn't based on science or history. It's based (I'm not joking) on watching too many zombie apocalypse movies....and watching human behavior in mobs.

        One of the groups that I haven't figured out yet...are the Preppers. I don't know if they know less than the rest of us...or more. I just don't know.

        But at my age, if the world goes all crazy on us...I assume my wife and I will be two of the first to get killed.

        Old...slow....people...without guns. Yup. We'll be the first to be killed..or sacrificed.
        Don't worry. I would never do anything to Cheryl.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        Now...this is just a fear. It isn't based on science or history. It's based (I'm not joking) on watching too many zombie apocalypse movies....and watching human behavior in mobs.

        One of the groups that I haven't figured out yet...are the Preppers. I don't know if they know less than the rest of us...or more. I just don't know.


        I never figured it out. I had to look it up as an adult.
        well as far as preppers go it is hard to figure out if you don't split the up into a few group..you get the rich people digging bunkers building compounds and storing up guns and gold.. waiting for the sthf ..trigger by a massive financial collapse the happens virtuallu over night.. or an emp solar flare knocking out the grid and throwing us back 1000 years

        or you get a majority of preppers who tend to think monsanto and gmo's are evil and would rather grow and preserve their own food as much as they can and live offgrid using more renewables solar /wind high efficiany wood stove that generate less pollution ..organic vegetable gardens .using home made compost from organic waste other would put in the trash

        we are the people who may not believe climate change is a problem.. but are adopting much more environmentally friendly lifestyle .. that do not mean giving up modern living .. but gettting as much of the modern lifestyle with out being 100 percent dependent on the system every minute of every day

        i mean yes it not the success path of spend all your waking hours making money .. and buy the biggest house you can several cars ..or 80 inch flat screen tv's in every room of the much larger house than you need that is climate controlled 24 hours a day ..even if everyone is out working 10 hours a day ..to get more and bigger stuff .. they never get to fully use because they are always working.. and just packing the unused room in the large house with many of the unsed things ..

        because ..succes ,, the american dream .. you know that what ever the reason
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