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The Nuclear Rocket that Could Reach 20% the Speed of Light

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This could be launched in 9 years time, and weight over 12,000,000 tons, and reach our nearest, (most likely) habitable planet within 20 years.

Obviously we would need a megafactory to churn out the pellets, and lug it into space, lug 12 million tonnes into space, and the ISS weight just over 400 tonnes, so yeah, we would probably have to rail gun it into space, or fire it from a cannon, or the project is toast, but still cool thought.


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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    There's a lot of usage of the word "could" in there.

    Here's some more:
    It could be a complete waste of time effort and money;
    It could go all Fukushima.

    There's probably others as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    The Nuclear Rocket that Could Reach 20% the Speed of Light (Collab with AsteronX) - YouTube

    This could be launched in 9 years time, and weight over 12,000,000 tons, and reach our nearest, (most likely) habitable planet within 20 years.

    Obviously we would need a megafactory to churn out the pellets, and lug it into space, lug 12 million tonnes into space, and the ISS weight just over 400 tonnes, so yeah, we would probably have to rail gun it into space, or fire it from a cannon, or the project is toast, but still cool thought.
    We are sooooo close to making this. After all, we have a drawing of an idea. It's just a 3D printer away from making this thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      We are sooooo close to making this. After all, we have a drawing of an idea. It's just a 3D printer away from making this thing.
      I didn't watch the video . The numbers might be great for sci fi . A ton is 2000 pound and now it cost 10000 USD to put a pound into space
      So just the cost of putting the 24 billion pound into space runs 240 trillion dollars

      My math may be off though
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        I didn't watch the video . The numbers might be great for sci fi . A ton is 2000 pound and now it cost 10000 USD to put a pound into space
        So just the cost of putting the 24 billion pound into space runs 240 trillion dollars

        My math may be off though
        This is about as feasible as a time machine.

        In other words, we have an artist, that drew something. and then someone else said that if we traveled at 20% the speed of light, and we knew that the closest star had a planet like Earth...we could maybe go there someday.

        The technology is really a very long string of "If we could" and "Assuming this is true".

        So...like a time machine, just around the corner, in our dreams.

        But hey, if we were all (meaning all of us on Earth) willing to pay more than the current total wealth of the planet, and use more than the total amount of metal on the planet...

        We should make it pretty soon.

        I think we should also remember that a few years ago, we were three years from traveling to mars and living there. We had a website and...well, we had a website.

        But I remember a few here that were upset that these ...um...ideas....weren't just accepted as facts.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          This is about as feasible as a time machine.

          In other words, we have an artist, that drew something. and then someone else said that if we traveled at 20% the speed of light, and we knew that the closest star had a planet like Earth...we could maybe go there someday.

          The technology is really a very long string of "If we could" and "Assuming this is true".

          So...like a time machine, just around the corner, in our dreams.

          But hey, if we were all (meaning all of us on Earth) willing to pay more than the current total wealth of the planet, and use more than the total amount of metal on the planet...

          We should make it pretty soon.

          I think we should also remember that a few years ago, we were three years from traveling to mars and living there. We had a website and...well, we had a website.

          But I remember a few here that were upset that these ...um...ideas....weren't just accepted as facts.
          Judging by history, the pursuit of wealth will likely lead human expansion of space. Asteroid mining of precious metals and rare earth elements is my guess with automated/manless transporters towing asteroids to be processed closer to Earth like the on the Moon.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Judging by history, the pursuit of wealth will likely lead human expansion of space. Asteroid mining of precious metals and rare earth elements is my guess with automated/manless transporters towing asteroids to be processed closer to Earth like the on the Moon.
            This is far more likely and building orbital habitats once we manage to solve the atrophy humans go through when in zero g long term
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              This is far more likely and building orbital habitats once we manage to solve the atrophy humans go through when in zero g long term
              Yep..it doesn't make financial cents or have common sense to send humans. You don't need food, water, heat, living space or air or any risk of human life.

              If humans can land a vehicle on a comet, I'd bet if we had to do it we have the tech now to drag an asteroid closer to Earth/Moon. The question would be what to do with it once they got it and how much it would cost to do?

              It's the infrastructure that needs to be developed and there's a ton of tech, political and economic issues that need to be worked out.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Yep..

                If humans can land a vehicle on a comet, I'd bet if we had to do it we have the tech now to drag an asteroid closer to Earth/Moon. The question would be what to do with it once they got it and how much it would cost to do?

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                If it's profitable the cost doesn't matter . There is probablably plenty of small Boulder size mentors that can be gathered from near earth orbit and processed there will be no real need to mine big meteors the first few decades .

                A chunk of rock the size of a car in space can easily have hundreds of thousands of dollars in minerals .

                So it is matter of developing a drone. That can land on a chunk of rock and anchor in and then move the rock to a processing station .

                Someone may controle the drone but they can be in earth or even in a small space station.

                So asteroid minning may end up being the breaking small pieces off a larger rock

                Then once the minerals are processed and sorted and packed you send a virtually pty ship up from the eaths surface pack it up in space then send it to the surface ..

                I personally we don't have any other place we can go to . We even if there is a habitable planet we can get to and air to breath . The millions of pathogens in every breath or the local version of a maswuiyo bite would probably make it a short stay. Before everyone is dead.

                We basically lose everything that makes us human the second we give up on earth . And will probably need to genetically mutate ourselves in order to survive where ever we end up.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  If it's profitable the cost doesn't matter . There is probablably plenty of small Boulder size mentors that can be gathered from near earth orbit and processed there will be no real need to mine big meteors the first few decades .

                  A chunk of rock the size of a car in space can easily have hundreds of thousands of dollars in minerals .

                  So it is matter of developing a drone. That can land on a chunk of rock and anchor in and then move the rock to a processing station .

                  Someone may controle the drone but they can be in earth or even in a small space station.

                  So asteroid minning may end up being the breaking small pieces off a larger rock

                  Then once the minerals are processed and sorted and packed you send a virtually pty ship up from the eaths surface pack it up in space then send it to the surface ..

                  I personally we don't have any other place we can go to . We even if there is a habitable planet we can get to and air to breath . The millions of pathogens in every breath or the local version of a maswuiyo bite would probably make it a short stay. Before everyone is dead.

                  We basically lose everything that makes us human the second we give up on earth . And will probably need to genetically mutate ourselves in order to survive where ever we end up.
                  It isn't profitable until the mission(s) and processing would be complete. There is huge risk involved and the amount of startup capital is massive, with no ROI likely for years if not decades. You also have many political issues like who owns the water on the Moon, which is extremely valuable.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                    It isn't profitable until the mission(s) and processing would be complete. There is huge risk involved and the amount of startup capital is massive, with no ROI likely for years if not decades. You also have many political issues like who owns the water on the Moon, which is extremely valuable.
                    I'm pretty sure we will exploit the minerals in near earth orbit the same way we have exploited every other resource.

                    For the last 10000 years .

                    Accept for getting the stuff into orbit we already have the drone tech and the equipment to grab the small stuff in space test it for amounts of pressious metals and then pack it up and transport it to the surface for processing untill we can build smelters and that stuff in orbit.

                    The most adanced gear starting out would probably be a rock crusher .

                    The barrier now is getting the stuff in orbit otherwise most of the other tech needed is already being devoped on Earth . If we heavily rely on drones .
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          This is about as feasible as a time machine.

          In other words, we have an artist, that drew something. and then someone else said that if we traveled at 20% the speed of light, and we knew that the closest star had a planet like Earth...we could maybe go there someday.

          The technology is really a very long string of "If we could" and "Assuming this is true".

          So...like a time machine, just around the corner, in our dreams.

          But hey, if we were all (meaning all of us on Earth) willing to pay more than the current total wealth of the planet, and use more than the total amount of metal on the planet...

          We should make it pretty soon.

          I think we should also remember that a few years ago, we were three years from traveling to mars and living there. We had a website and...well, we had a website.

          But I remember a few here that were upset that these ...um...ideas....weren't just accepted as facts.
          Doc Johnson had a dream. If you build it, she will come.

          Remember the docu drama of the Earth dying, (which it now is) and and all humans were going to perish. (Which they probably will for real thanks to runaway global warming)

          So they built a huge cylinder ship, powered by directional nuclear explosions to propel it along. It would accommodate 120,000 humans to get to the nearest star that could possibly have a planet that could support life. It would take 70 years so the second generation would complete the journey.

          This was and is do-able if the whole world got together because they wanted to preserve or leave a human legacy. It took 20 years or more to build. And all the resources and money that man had to throw at it were. Ultimately, it did not matter because everything was soon to become worthless.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            So they built a huge cylinder ship, powered by directional nuclear explosions to propel it along. It would accommodate 120,000 humans to get to the nearest star that could possibly have a planet that could support life. It would take 70 years so the second generation would complete the journey.
            Just a thought...to create 1G (acceleration simulating one Earth gravity) to propel 120,000 humans, and a biosphere, and everything needed to support life..virtually a very small planet...would take an ion drive that is about the size of the moon.

            Easy to draw...harder to build.

            Of course, that doesn't mean we won't built it in 20 years, it just means that it's impossible to build it if the planet Earth stays the same size...because we don't have enough material on the planet to build it.

            And your 70 year journey? That assumes that the single closest star to Earth has another planet that would support life. The odds of that happening are so close to zero, I'm not sure there is a number for it.

            And saving ourselves? Have you met us? If the environment gets bad enough for us to have to leave our planet, we will go to war, blaming each other, fighting over an ever dwindling quantity of resources.... until we are all gone.

            And the last man standing will be the smartest person on the cinder.

            With my luck, it will be Riffle. And for a very brief moment, he will have achieved significance.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Just a thought...to create 1G (acceleration simulating one Earth gravity) to propel 120,000 humans, and a biosphere, and everything needed to support life..virtually a very small planet...would take an ion drive that is about the size of the moon.

              Easy to draw...harder to build.

              Of course, that doesn't mean we won't built it in 20 years, it just means that it's impossible to build it if the planet Earth stays the same size...because we don't have enough material on the planet to build it.

              And your 70 year journey? That assumes that the single closest star to Earth has another planet that would support life. The odds of that happening are so close to zero, I'm not sure there is a number for it.

              And saving ourselves? Have you met us? If the environment gets bad enough for us to have to leave our planet, we will go to war, blaming each other, fighting over an ever dwindling quantity of resources.... until we are all gone.

              And the last man standing will be the smartest person on the cinder.

              With my luck, it will be Riffle. And for a very brief moment, he will have achieved significance.
              And this is why the Moon is so significant, because of no atmosphere and little gravity it is much easier and cheaper to launch and land on the Moon than Earth.

              Also, we're not limited to only terrestrial materials. The Asteroid Belt contains treasures and materials worth many times the total value of everything on Earth (other than things like life, DNA, protein, chloroform, etc.).
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Just a thought...to create 1G (acceleration simulating one Earth gravity) to propel 120,000 humans, and a biosphere, and everything needed to support life..virtually a very small planet...would take an ion drive that is about the size of the moon.

              Easy to draw...harder to build.

              Of course, that doesn't mean we won't built it in 20 years, it just means that it's impossible to build it if the planet Earth stays the same size...because we don't have enough material on the planet to build it.

              And your 70 year journey? That assumes that the single closest star to Earth has another planet that would support life. The odds of that happening are so close to zero, I'm not sure there is a number for it.

              And saving ourselves? Have you met us? If the environment gets bad enough for us to have to leave our planet, we will go to war, blaming each other, fighting over an ever dwindling quantity of resources.... until we are all gone.

              And the last man standing will be the smartest person on the cinder.

              With my luck, it will be Riffle. And for a very brief moment, he will have achieved significance.
              This info was taken from a science based docu-drama. A super large cylinder was built in space once kicked off it would be a friction free rotation with minimum upkeep to produce gravity, around the the inner outside is where the habitations would dwell. At the end of the cylinder would be a super thick plating, this is were the nuclear bombs would be kicked off in succession to start it being propelled and getting up to a velocity of a fraction of the speed of light.

              It was the only plausible thing that "could" be built, no fancy ion drive. Yes, you would have to take water and air but you could recycle and have many oxygen producing plants and hydroponics for food. It was in the realms of possibility based on our current science.

              A dangerous, one trick pony and no guarantee of success of holding together or finding a habitable planet. A last ditch attempt to continue the human race.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                This info was taken from a science based docu-drama. A super large cylinder was built in space once kicked off it would be a friction free rotation with minimum upkeep to produce gravity, around the the inner outside is where the habitations would dwell. At the end of the cylinder would be a super thick plating, this is were the nuclear bombs would be kicked off in succession to start it being propelled and getting up to a velocity of a fraction of the speed of light.
                The problem is that we have never been able to build a self sustaining environment. No biodome has ever worked.

                It's possible that some facets of our planet have to be duplicated, but cannot be. For example, we have oceans that support algae and other oxygen generating plants. And the vast majority of the planet is oceans creating Oxygen and food. We have an iron core that creates a magnetic field, we have an ozone layer.. we have evolved in this specific environment.

                A giant bio bubble may work.... but it's just an idea that someone had that sounds plausible.

                a city sized biodome in space might support a few people. Remember there is no Amazon in space. There are no oceans in space. The space station recycles water and air...but we still have to send supplies regularly.

                We have no model showing where a biodome in space would work.

                Like it or not, we are here, and there is nowhere else to go to survive. That idea keeps me warm at night, knowing we are just one really bad decision from going away.
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                • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  The problem is that we have never been able to build a self sustaining environment. No biodome has ever worked.

                  It's possible that some facets of our planet have to be duplicated, but cannot be. For example, we have oceans that support algae and other oxygen generating plants. And the vast majority of the planet is oceans creating Oxygen and food. We have an iron core that creates a magnetic field, we have an ozone layer.. we have evolved in this specific environment.

                  A giant bio bubble may work.... but it's just an idea that someone had that sounds plausible.

                  a city sized biodome in space might support a few people. Remember there is no Amazon in space. There are no oceans in space. The space station recycles water and air...but we still have to send supplies regularly.

                  We have no model showing where a biodome in space would work.

                  Like it or not, we are here, and there is nowhere else to go to survive. That idea keeps me warm at night, knowing we are just one really bad decision from going away.
                  tbh either we commit to srs eco smarts or swoop out real zany toward voids fulla farts.

                  Long term, evolvin' hooman brainpowah focused sweet gonna delivah all solootions it got.

                  Kinda bcs.

                  But what I see here 'bout potential imaginables is an interplay between yo essential fight or flight.

                  Drill down in the here & now in practical ways we don't gotta spazz the ocean out on McFrickinWhatevah Cheapolacraft ... pressgang the science guys with like FUNDING & SHIT so's the truth don't gotta slay our ass .... plus also, smoochie up like you dowin' it for real steada smitin' out shades of hoomanity you don't wanna by dint of BIRTHCOUNT ...

                  uh huh, this all worth stayin' around for imho.

                  If''n we evah replicatin' our glories into space, FFS they gotta be Terra Firma kissup sweet first -- or we jus' blastin' desperation into unchartered oblivion.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Since a nuclear explosion in space is what could trigger an EMP on part of the earth's surface....better count in a few years for doomsday articles and protestsl....
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    It's like the old (ethnically specific) joke:

    A piece of paper - on one side is written, "how to keep a "simpleton" busy, over." On the other side is written "how to keep a "simpleton" busy, over."
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Geesh, everyone here knocking a perfectly good idea to lug roughly 20,000 ISS into space within 9 years!

    Yeah, ok, pretty far fetched, but using proven tech, to ignitite the pellets instead of high powered lazers, is a slight improvement.





    NASA messed with this one in the 70's, and this only weights 54,000 tonnes.

    The difference is this one was targeting Barnard's Star, 6 light years away and the example first given is targeting a possible habitable planet, which is further away.

    So still pie in the sky, but still a cool idea.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      The difference is this one was targeting Barnard's Star, 6 light years away and the example first given is targeting a possible habitable planet, which is further away.

      So still pie in the sky, but still a cool idea.

      I don't understand why you are so excited. You of all people should know the aliens have far better. So Kinda ho hum.
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    A fact is 'niggling' at the back of my mind - haven't bothered to try to look it up. I'd swear I read somewhere about an international agreement or law that no one can send radioactive materials into space.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      A fact is 'niggling' at the back of my mind - haven't bothered to try to look it up. I'd swear I read somewhere about an international agreement or law that no one can send radioactive materials into space.
      Arr, no they can, it is just people don't want them to.

      A case in point was the Pluto fast track probe, that used a Nuclear generator, and slighshotted around Earth, to gain speed, and some were scared that if the calculations where out it would hit the earth, as a radioactive whatever.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    No matter what sort of action is proposed - some people are always scared - some are always overly optimistic...and the truth is always somewhere in between.


    Whaat i read might have been talking about nuclear waste rather than simply 'nuclear'.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    And saving ourselves? Have you met us? If the environment gets bad enough for us to have to leave our planet, we will go to war, blaming each other, fighting over an ever dwindling quantity of resources.... until we are all gone.

    And, in our absence, the earth will cleanse itself - gradually and naturally eliminating the waste, the pollution, the traces of homo sapiens. Wildlife on the planet will increase, regenerate, mutate over eons....and eventually there will be a new 'top of the food chain' species emerge.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      And, in our absence, the earth will cleanse itself - gradually and naturally eliminating the waste, the pollution, the traces of homo sapiens. Wildlife on the planet will increase, regenerate, mutate over eons....and eventually there will be a new 'top of the food chain' species emerge.
      We don't have to even be absent 99 percent of the damage done to the environment has been done in the last 200 years and most of that in the last 80 .

      And most of the damage water use,deforestation and pollution comes from chemical/industrial agriculture .the is the basis of virtually all the warming not caused by heat island effects from cities.

      A shift to highly productive hydroponic systems which produce many times the produce of field crops on the se land footprint , the development of lab grown meat which in ten years may be cheaper per pound than nasty chicken houses and concentrated animal feeding operations which are environmental nightmares .

      And a shift to poly culture cover cropping systems and more profitable regenerative agricultural system that use animals to build soil and heal the land .

      And the main reason any of this will happen is not to save the world it is simply becoming more profitable and industrial agriculture .

      Shrinking the amount of land we need to produce food and moving the production closer to people hydroponic in cities all over the country instead of growing basball hard vegetables in California picking them unripe and shipping them all over the country .
      A system that is breaking down now as California runs out of water and keeps burning.
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    Does all of this mean there will be a shortage of KFC?
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    All I know is, I seen a whole buncha exotic merch looks zackly like what is shown in the vid -- an' it runs off batteries.

    But, hey -- Star Wars toys & stuff.

    Kinda thing.

    Thing is, I am all for developin' infrastructure, so ima hands up for this one on a G-force ticket.

    "Gotta have dreams before you got stuff. Gotta have stuff before you got dreams."

    (When my telekinesis project drops, likely I will use this as a strapline. That way, when I summon Rifflepops for odd jobs about the hose ... or Whatto for weirder jobs about the humongous arachnid attack ... ima covered all ways.)
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      All I know is, I seen a whole buncha exotic merch looks zackly like what is shown in the vid

      Yeah but thats you in metal rollers with the blow drier stuck in your hair and sparking.


      It IS zackly but not all that unusual..... and freaking entertaining to watch
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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      That way, when I summon Rifflepops for odd jobs about the hose
      Interesting you say that as you're a woman. Sensible men wouldn't let Riffle anywhere near their hose.
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    You guys won't admit to being aliens, but you sure know a lot about outer space and the like.


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    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Yeah but thats you in metal rollers with the blow drier stuck in your hair and sparking.

    It IS zackly but not all that unusual..... and freaking entertaining to watch
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    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    I don't understand why you are so excited. You of all people should know the gay Klingons have far better. So Kinda ho hum.
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    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

    No matter what sort of action is proposed - some people are always scared - some are always overly optimistic...and the truth is always somewhere in between.

    Whaat i read might have been talking about nuclear waste rather than simply 'nuclear'.
    I believe Kay, that you read about the treaty to not allow any more nuclear explosions in space, (but don't quote me on that).

    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    Does all of this mean there will be a shortage of KFC?
    If Americans are building it, not likely.

    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    You guys won't admit to being aliens, but you sure know a lot about outer space and the like.
    I refuse to answer that on the grounds that l may incriminate myself!



    But true, you wouldn't build this around the Earth, and fry it when launched, or it would be more likely to build it around the earth, and launch it from the far side of the moon, that way nothing gets fried,...apart from a handful of martians.

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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    If the same people with the save the world from climate disaster mindset who have done so much work in California . Do the same thing aon a global scale . We are probably doomed .

    And in the case we do find a way to get to another planet it is the very people who have gained the most sucking this planet dry ND killing it . That will afford seats on such a ship
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