New Computer, Problems, And Eventually A Fix

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Recently I bought a New Dell XPS desktop from a third party company on Amazon. A treat, it was over 2k in money (monitor extra) Top of the line. 8, cores, I9 10th generation, 1 terabyte SSD, 2 terabyte normal HD, 64 gigs of ram and a 4 gig graphics card, Windows 10 PRO.

Of course it runs like hot snot.

Within a day though, perhaps once or twice a day, the sound would distort or buzz for a few seconds, sometimes a video would freeze as well, then all was OK?. This generally showed itself when watching You-Tube vids. Other times, the monitor would lose the signal so I had to unplug the HDMI cable from the graphics card and re-plug to get it back, till the next time.

I tore my hair out quizzing google over this. Generally it was well, uninstall or update your sound drivers or use alternative ones. I did that, and a lot of other things, to no avail.

I was all set to send it back as faulty. Then, I thought, one more deep delve into Google and will give up and return it. And then I found the answer in an obscure forum post. It had nothing to do with the sound at all. The machine was set to switch off the hard drive after 20 minutes, so it goes to do that and realizes it is in use and switches back on, thus causing the glitches, indeed, all glitches, now it's fixed. For those who are interested or having this problem: here's the fix:

Start - Settings - System - Power & Sleep - Additional Power Settings - Change Plan Settings, (on the one you have checked as using) - Change Advanced Power Settings - A small window box will open called Power Options. Open (hit the plus sign) "Turn off Hard Drive After" and change the value in the box, whatever it is to : type in:9999
Click on Apply and exit.

That's it, no more problems.

I emailed the company. They said, "Thanks for pointing this out, we will apply this change to all new machines we send out" Sheeeeeez
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    recently i bought a macbook pro from eaby, once it arrived I noticed that there is a small crack near the display, I was shocked at the moment and became numb. However when I contacted the customer care they solved my problem swiftly and replaced with a brand new one with out any errors. Good guys
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    • Profile picture of the author JPs copy
      All my headaches involving computers were Dell related. Since then, I've had a custom built gaming PC and a Macbook. Both work flawlessly.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by JPs copy View Post

        All my headaches involving computers were Dell related. Since then, I've had a custom built gaming PC and a Macbook. Both work flawlessly.
        I suppose anyone could have a bad experience with any brand and it can tarnish you against it. Dell may well have had a period where their quality of components was less than desirable but they appear to have tightened things up of late. Six years with one, still going strong and then the new one with an erroneous Windows setting, now fixed, is not enough to put me me against Dell's. Consensus of opinions in the You-Tube tech community seem to bear this out, not to mention reviews of late.

        My laptop is amazing, all built of metal and works flawlessly.

        Mac's have a reasonable build quality overall and a stable O/S. Look at Louis Rossmann's channel on you-tube though. He repairs Mac's and PC's for a living. He can fix the older ones but the ones of the last few years, everything's soldered down on the all in one's and the laptops and Apple control the parts and he cannot get them. He points out many engineering inconsistencies in the machines themselves that cause the breakdowns. A bit of an eye opener. Apple of late seem to be taking heed of feedback and at least are upping their game again. But, if you bought one in the last few years and it goes wrong. Your only recourse is to visit the Apple Store and pay exorbitant prices if you don't have an extended Applecare warranty if it is over a year old. Most of the time they say, just get a new one.

        As for building your own, yes, you can source the finest components separately, get the best, save money etc. If you know what you are doing, you can build a solid machine.

        Personally, I just want a good off the peg one and to use it as a tool. If you had to buy a PC off the shelf these days, what would you choose?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          I suppose anyone could have a bad experience with any brand and it can tarnish you against it. Dell may well have had a period where their quality of components was less than desirable but they appear to have tightened things up of late. Six years with one, still going strong and then the new one with an erroneous Windows setting, now fixed, is not enough to put me me against Dell's. Consensus of opinions in the You-Tube tech community seem to bear this out, not to mention reviews of late.

          My laptop is amazing, all built of metal and works flawlessly.

          Mac's have a reasonable build quality overall and a stable O/S. Look at Louis Rossmann's channel on you-tube though. He repairs Mac's and PC's for a living. He can fix the older ones but the ones of the last few years, everything's soldered down on the all in one's and the laptops and Apple control the parts and he cannot get them. He points out many engineering inconsistencies in the machines themselves that cause the breakdowns. A bit of an eye opener. Apple of late seem to be taking heed of feedback and at least are upping their game again. But, if you bought one in the last few years and it goes wrong. Your only recourse is to visit the Apple Store and pay exorbitant prices if you don't have an extended Applecare warranty if it is over a year old. Most of the time they say, just get a new one.

          As for building your own, yes, you can source the finest components separately, get the best, save money etc. If you know what you are doing, you can build a solid machine.

          Personally, I just want a good off the peg one and to use it as a tool. If you had to buy a PC off the shelf these days, what would you choose?
          Me personally, ASUS with a few of my own hardware modifications.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

            Me personally, ASUS with a few of my own hardware modifications.
            I have recently purchased an Asus 32" 4k monitor. Not bad for the money. I had an Asus Router a few years back. Unfortunately it only lasted 2 years. Those things get dam hot.
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Personally, I just want a good off the peg one and to use it as a tool. If you had to buy a PC off the shelf these days, what would you choose?
          The same as I've always done since 1995 - bespoke machines assembled with quality components. In the next month or so I'll be doing that again. ASUS m/b, Intel chip, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 6TB Western Digital standard hard drive, NVIDIA graphics card.

          Cost between $1200 and $1800 depending on which Intel chip and which NVIDIA card I go with. I have no need for the brand new latest versions of those, last year's tech is more than adequate for my needs. My old monitor (only about 18 months old) will also suffice.

          The most important part of the above setup is the 32GB of RAM.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            The same as I've always done since 1995 - bespoke machines assembled with quality components. In the next month or so I'll be doing that again. ASUS m/b, Intel chip, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 6TB Western Digital standard hard drive, NVIDIA graphics card.

            Cost between $1200 and $1800 depending on which Intel chip and which NVIDIA card I go with. I have no need for the brand new latest versions of those, last year's tech is more than adequate for my needs. My old monitor (only about 18 months old) will also suffice.

            The most important part of the above setup is the 32GB of RAM.
            Sounds like your high spec requirements are for stocks and shares, am I right? You don't seem to be a gamer or a graphical design wizard. My only real requirement is for music creation where you would like like to have large samples loaded into memory and a fast processor helps to.

            Interesting about separate sound cards, popular in the past, all but vanished as sound processors have improved. I was keen back in the day that they would be loaded with the same quality sounds that a synth or sound module has. so you could use them along with a midi controller keyboard.

            You can still get them but only for improving the quality of the sound for gaming.
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Sounds like your high spec requirements are for stocks and shares, am I right? You don't seem to be a gamer or a graphical design wizard. My only real requirement is for music creation where you would like like to have large samples loaded into memory and a fast processor helps to.
              Correct, however over the last couple of years I've been dabbling in video editing. The program I use for that (Cyberlink Power Director) say it only needs 4GB of RAM, however that's just to load the program. To make it actually operate without grinding the system to a halt or crashing completely, requires a minimum of 8, and preferably 16, hence the 32GB being important.

              Music is another important use, but just for playback rather than creation. I detest mp3 files as there is so much missing at both the top and bottom end to reduce the file size that they're pretty much unlistenable.

              But yeah, I use the PC mainly for the operations you describe, although I have some pretty large spreadsheets which have been built up over the years, the biggest of which is over 6GB by itself.

              Games? The only games I have are the ones that come native with Windows (XP/7/10, doesn't matter). So yeah, gaming ability is utterly irrelevant to me.

              The system I described above is, if anything, a bit of overkill, however I'm thinking not only of my current needs but also future proofing as well. The aforementioned system will (touch wood) serve those needs for many years to come.
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                Correct, however over the last couple of years I've been dabbling in video editing. The program I use for that (Cyberlink Power Director) say it only needs 4GB of RAM, however that's just to load the program. To make it actually operate without grinding the system to a halt or crashing completely, requires a minimum of 8, and preferably 16, hence the 32GB being important.

                Music is another important use, but just for playback rather than creation. I detest mp3 files as there is so much missing at both the top and bottom end to reduce the file size that they're pretty much unlistenable.

                But yeah, I use the PC mainly for the operations you describe, although I have some pretty large spreadsheets which have been built up over the years, the biggest of which is over 6GB by itself.

                Games? The only games I have are the ones that come native with Windows (XP/7/10, doesn't matter). So yeah, gaming ability is utterly irrelevant to me.

                The system I described above is, if anything, a bit of overkill, however I'm thinking not only of my current needs but also future proofing as well. The aforementioned system will (touch wood) serve those needs for many years to come.
                Wow, a 6 gig spreadsheet. That must have taken a while to amass that amount of data. What video's are you creating or or are you just editing them for others. (Just being nosey) There are a lot of slick people on You-Tube these days who produce polished video's. They use a lot of stock pictures and little video clips for illustration and inserts. Do you do that? Is there an inexpensive source these days?

                It's become a lucrative profession on You-tube to make money from ads, pick a subject, be entertaining with it, or do reviews and build up a following.

                Just about everything I ask of Google has a how to do it video available. Point in case, today my friend of non existent tech abilities calls me up, help, computers not working. Quickly diagnose she means the mouse pointer has stopped moving. Errr, you need a new battery in your mouse because you have a wireless mouse and keyboard. Oh, how do I get the battery compartment for the mouse open she says. Whats the model number on the bottom i say. She gives me that and I quickly google it.

                Sure enough, a how to open the battery compartment on a 5 year old cheap Logitech mouse is there on the front page of the results. So I tell her how. Problem solved.

                It's nice to get an update every so many years on Desktop computer stuff. I can easily get by for 6 or 7 years until the hankering hits me though. Laptops however, I update more frequently. Of late, I think the demands of the software is beginning to lag behind in terms of what you need to run it effectively. You get a higher end one and it covers everything out there for years. Latest and greatest is just hype.
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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Wow, a 6 gig spreadsheet. That must have taken a while to amass that amount of data. What video's are you creating or or are you just editing them for others. (Just being nosey) There are a lot of slick people on You-Tube these days who produce polished video's. They use a lot of stock pictures and little video clips for illustration and inserts. Do you do that? Is there an inexpensive source these days?.
                  That s/sheet, or more accurately the workbook, contains just over 40 years of data. It's not so much the data itself, but there are various charts in the workbook which "bloats" the size up considerably.

                  Video editing? That's purely for personal use. More compiling collections of videos from YT to form "best of" type collections, with all the extraneous crap edited out. I've done this for classic comedy series such as Python, Not The Nine O'Clock News and others. So publishing them online,and in particularly if I'm being seen to make any money off it, no matter how little, is legal territory I'm not prepared to tread on. The very least that could happen is that YT removes it, the worst.....
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    That must have been super frustrating after spending over 2k!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    8, cores
    Damn it man. Are you the new SETI?
    What size us it? Does it run hot? Is it loud?
    Are your girlfriends making eyes at it?
    8 Cores!
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      Damn it man. Are you the new SETI?
      What size us it? Does it run hot? Is it loud?
      Are your girlfriends making eyes at it?
      8 Cores!
      Cor it's fast. No Flashy RGB lights though. Totally unassuming. It is the most silent PC I ever owned. Dell are renowned for this. You can't even hear the fans
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I am not due for a new PC for a few years yet, and I have an all in one which gives me so much room on my desk.


    So, Ian, I will certainly remember you when it comes time to buy a new one and think of Dell too. Well done!
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I am not due for a new PC for a few years yet, and I have an all in one which gives me so much room on my desk.


      So, Ian, I will certainly remember you when it comes time to buy a new one and think of Dell too. Well done!
      There's nothing like a desktop for easy upgrading. Amazon do a range of stands for them to elevate them off the floor, always a good thing so you can have them underneath the desk. I was though, tempted to get a top line all in one, they look cool and all looks neat on the desk.

      Despite my few problems with the new one it's not really Dell's fault, just the Windows settings as supplied by this company. I am a Dell fan.

      My previous machine was a 2014 standard Dell desktop, an I5, 4th generation. It had no problems and I updated the Hard drive to an SSD. That really made it fast compared to an HD.
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    Dell does make some quality computers. They have awesome customer service and can run for a lifetime. They also own Alienware. Honorable mentions for HP, Asus, Acer.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

      Dell does make some quality computers. They have awesome customer service and can run for a lifetime. They also own Alienware. Honorable mentions for HP, Asus, Acer.
      There will be no honorable mentions for HP from me. I had one of their PC's back in the late 2000's. At the time it was a high end one. It cost about a grand without the monitor. I had a surge protector in the wall socket. A storm, despite that, took it out. I had to more or less break it apart to retrieve the hard drive that was buried at the bottom of the machine. It was totally inaccessible. Several cuts on hand later.

      So many of the techs and repair guys who have you-tube channels express their dislike for HP. In my experience, I must agree with them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        There will be no honorable mentions for HP from me. I had one of their PC's back in the late 2000's. At the time it was a high end one. It cost about a grand without the monitor. I had a surge protector in the wall socket. A storm, despite that, took it out. I had to more or less break it apart to retrieve the hard drive that was buried at the bottom of the machine. It was totally inaccessible. Several cuts on hand later.

        So many of the techs and repair guys who have you-tube channels express their dislike for HP. In my experience, I must agree with them.
        I used to resell IBM Laptops and was constantly bombarded with HP offers. Bought two of them and had nothing but trouble. Never again.
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    There will be no honorable mentions for HP from me.

    So many of the techs and repair guys who have you-tube channels express their dislike for HP. In my experience, I must agree with them.
    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    I used to resell IBM Laptops and was constantly bombarded with HP offers. Bought two of them and had nothing but trouble. Never again.
    Interesting purchsed a cheapy HP floor model from Best Buys several years ago (Around 2012). It was to have something portable. The thing must of been a fluke only issue was a worn out keyboard. However something major went about a year&1/2 ago. The age of the computer was not worth fixing.

    Purchased a Dell Chromebook as a back up. It was a Black Friday deal about 3 or 4 years ago for a $100.00 thing is pretty decent. Posted a lot of stuff on this forum up to very recently with it. Just not a fan of missing Microsoft Office programs on it.

    Currently posting on a Dell Desktop, converted a spare bedroom into my home office. Have been a big Dell fanboy for years. Used them at work when we had the family from business.They were in rough environments and held up great. Also know a Medical office that has 3 of them in use.

    Originally Posted by DURABLEOILCOM View Post

    Dell does make some quality computers. They have awesome customer service and can run for a lifetime. They also own Alienware. .
    Tha'ts funny the customer service part. They were big on outsourcing over seas several years ago. Their C.S. went way down hill for awhile IMHO.

    Seems they have improved that a lot recently. Last time there tech support was great. See you mention Alienware are you into gaming ? Personally not into it but just curious how those machines are.

    I have to look up the model you have lanfear63 sounds like a great machine.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Interesting purchsed a cheapy HP floor model from Best Buys several years ago (Around 2012). It was to have something portable. The thing must of been a fluke only issue was a worn out keyboard. However something major went about a year&1/2 ago. The age of the computer was not worth fixing.

      Purchased a Dell Chromebook as a back up. It was a Black Friday deal about 3 or 4 years ago for a $100.00 thing is pretty decent. Posted a lot of stuff on this forum up to very recently with it. Just not a fan of missing Microsoft Office programs on it.

      Currently posting on a Dell Desktop, converted a spare bedroom into my home office. Have been a big Dell fanboy for years. Used them at work when we had the family from business.They were in rough environments and held up great. Also know a Medical office that has 3 of them in use.

      Tha'ts funny the customer service part. They were big on outsourcing over seas several years ago. Their C.S. went way down hill for awhile IMHO.

      Seems they have improved that a lot recently. Last time there tech support was great. See you mention Alienware are you into gaming ? Personally not into it but just curious how those machines are.

      I have to look up the model you have lanfear63 sounds like a great machine.
      I think it might be a customized one from this company but Dell may do it as is. Here is a link to the Amazon page. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (Non affiliate) I also upgraded my laptop to a 17.3" reversable touch screen Dell recently. Superb, super fast and built like a tank. The price on the Desktop has come down a little but the Laptop has gone up $150.00 bucks. Got this from Best Buy, here is the link, also non affiliate. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-in...?skuId=6372667

      Not into gaming. I just like it fast and fluid and stable. My older Dell, I gave it away to a friend, got her to buy a new SSD and cloned the Windows setup from her old one to it. Runs really good, still.
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    Few years ago I replaced all of my desktop harddrives with laptop harddrives.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      Few years ago I replaced all of my desktop harddrives with laptop harddrives.
      Whatever inspired you to do that? It's SSD's all the way these days, one of the best upgrades you can do to breath new life into old computers.
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Whatever inspired you to do that? It's SSD's all the way these days, one of the best upgrades you can do to breath new life into old computers.
        Data Center hardware compatibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    My computer seems to have fixed itself with another little niggling annoyance I have with Outlook. (again, not a fault with the computer itself) I have set Outlook to look for new emails every 60 seconds from my Hostgator email, using Imap,. This is opposed to using Pop 3, It refreshes all folders each time it does it.

    After a few hours, mainly having the program minimized, it would freeze in mid download. The program itself would freeze. So a control, alt, delete and close the program was the only recourse of action and then re-open it. Not the end of the world but annoying.

    Apparently it was a known issue with this program, part of of the Office suite.

    I applied a fix that was described in another online forum and many people said it fixed the problem. I was optimistic, but to avail.

    Last night I received a partial Windows update so I let it do it's thing. Today I have run Outlook all day with no problems.

    So, either my fix took a day or so to kick in or Microsoft fixed it with their update.

    I will probably never know. So, at the time of going to press, I am error free.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      My computer seems to have fixed itself with another little niggling annoyance I have with Outlook. (again, not a fault with the computer itself) I have set Outlook to look for new emails every 60 seconds from my Hostgator email, using Imap,. This is opposed to using Pop 3, It refreshes all folders each time it does it.

      After a few hours, mainly having the program minimized, it would freeze in mid download. The program itself would freeze. So a control, alt, delete and close the program was the only recourse of action and then re-open it. Not the end of the world but annoying.

      Apparently it was a known issue with this program, part of of the Office suite.

      I applied a fix that was described in another online forum and many people said it fixed the problem. I was optimistic, but to avail.

      Last night I received a partial Windows update so I let it do it's thing. Today I have run Outlook all day with no problems.

      So, either my fix took a day or so to kick in or Microsoft fixed it with their update.

      I will probably never know. So, at the time of going to press, I am error free.
      Apparently I was wrong about this one. I went back to work online and the problem re-occurred. After a day or so I realized it was probably the fact that I was connected to the VPN and that not only slows you down a bit but you do get a few brief mouse freezes or quick lockups when using it. Mouse becomes stuck, wait a few seconds and back to normal. Having my mail program running in the background apparently also got affected if it's downloading email. It does not freeze when I'm not connected..so far. :-)

      Beware VPN's, a necessary thing when working from home but problematical.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Apparently I was wrong about this one. I went back to work online and the problem re-occurred. After a day or so I realized it was probably the fact that I was connected to the VPN and that not only slows you down a bit but you do get a few brief mouse freezes or quick lockups when using it. Mouse becomes stuck, wait a few seconds and back to normal. Having my mail program running in the background apparently also got affected if it's downloading email. It does not freeze when I'm not connected..so far. :-)

        Beware VPN's, a necessary thing when working from home but problematical.
        Mark, Firefox has a free one, and eventhough it only covers key countries, it works.

        I also tried a paid version some time ago, and had an issue with my Laptop, (Tosh, i7,16ram) in which the fan would slowly get more and more aggressive like it wanted to become airborne.

        So in the morning, fine, and late at night the Laptop was unnecessarily heating up and the fan was going on a lot more than it should.

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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Mark, Firefox has a free one, and eventhough it only covers key countries, it works.

          I also tried a paid version some time ago, and had an issue with my Laptop, (Tosh, i7,16ram) in which the fan would slowly get more and more aggressive like it wanted to become airborne.

          So in the morning, fine, and late at night the Laptop was unnecessarily heating up and the fan was going on a lot more than it should.

          Shane, this is a work specific connection, VPN stands for Virtual Private Network so it's private as regards to connecting to our work servers only. Not the one that you sign up for to disguise your location across the world. I never would have any use for it anyway and it slows your internet down. The works VPN does that when connected.

          Yes, I can imagine it could possibly ramp up your fans due to the processor being taxed, especially on a laptop. It did that once even on my high end machine. I had to re-start. There are a lot of bottlenecks and dropouts due to VPN's,
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I am happily on my 4th Dell desktop in 20 years. Long story but I blew out my hard drive (my mistake) with only a few days left on the warranty. I didn't pay extra but somehow had the in-home service. Dell sent a guy out that replaced my hard drive with the one day left. No charge. Needless to say I extended the warranty. I have been so satisfied with Dell I have not researched any other companies in the last 10 years or so. When it is time to replace I just start comparing the Dell offerings.

    @lanfear - I am drooling over your new setup.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      I am happily on my 4th Dell desktop in 20 years. Long story but I blew out my hard drive (my mistake) with only a few days left on the warranty. I didn't pay extra but somehow had the in-home service. Dell sent a guy out that replaced my hard drive with the one day left. No charge. Needless to say I extended the warranty. I have been so satisfied with Dell I have not researched any other companies in the last 10 years or so. When it is time to replace I just start comparing the Dell offerings.

      @lanfear - I am drooling over your new setup.
      Good service there.

      Well, when you are stuck at home in lock-down and working from home you don't go out much and spend, so amassed enough funds over several months to have a little splurge on several upgrades which helps alleviate the boredom

      The new machine is faster, yes, but my previous 2014 Dell I5, 4th generation with an SSD upgrade was fast. Although the new one is noticeably faster it's not a huge difference in general usage. I will have to test it somehow with some benchmarks, but not a gamer. One thing though, no bottlenecks to speak of and the internet card has N ac wireless which runs as fast as Wired LAN, so the internet is much faster than previous. (I am not near enough to my router for a plugin)

      But, when I connect it to the works server, (VPN) I get a considerable drop in usage speed. The minute I disconnect though, it comes right back.
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    i just looked, i got an acer, it works
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

      i just looked, i got an acer, it works
      Back in the nineties, I used to work at the PC World store in the UK. We sold Acer and got many brought back faulty.

      In fairness though, I think they have improved their quality control by a huge amount since then.

      And, they were nowhere near as bad as Packard Bell which was then our staple computer and the most dreadful piece of crap hardware ever to grace the planet.
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