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My sister was all set to retire and move to an Island (The Isle of Wight) just off the South Coast of the UK. Houses there are , or were dirt cheap. She was also to get a puppy (first ever dog) and possibly a cat, had loads of them before.

Thanks to Covid, just about every house has been snapped up because it's a bit safer there and they are not too keen in letting outsiders visit at the moment.

The most extraordinary thing though, there seems to be a shortage of dogs in the UK. All have been snapped up by people in lockdown, the pounds (usually take your pick) are empty. Puppies of any variety are changing hands for over 2000 dollars. Amazing.

I joked that it may be easier and cheaper to grab one from a pound here and export it. But that may be less a joke than you would think.

Any thoughts?
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Same things have happened in some areas near me. Home are being purchase as fast as they hit the market (not sure why that is).


    Shelters were almost empty as people adopted and/or fostered animals while home during the pandemic.


    Downside - when they go back to work the animals may be 'redumped' - that has happened in a couple areas. Something I don't understand as any animal I adopt becomes a member of the family - and you don't get rid of family.


    I watched a documentary on the Isle of Wight several years ago - thought it looked like a wonderful spot to visit or to live.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Same things have happened in some areas near me. Home are being purchase as fast as they hit the market (not sure why that is).


      Shelters were almost empty as people adopted and/or fostered animals while home during the pandemic.


      Downside - when they go back to work the animals may be 'redumped' - that has happened in a couple areas. Something I don't understand as any animal I adopt becomes a member of the family - and you don't get rid of family.


      I watched a documentary on the Isle of Wight several years ago - thought it looked like a wonderful spot to visit or to live.
      So both things like that are happening here a bit too. Probably that house prices and their value to sell are going down due to more people out at work. Perhaps that's it, the rich and speculators/developers are probably snapping them up to re-sell later or for rentals.

      There was a famous Isle Of Wight free musical festival around 1970, Jimi Hendrix and just about a who's who of rock performed. (including the Who?) Whoever organized it thought that the place was deserted, not the case.
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    My sister was all set to retire and move to an Island (The Isle Wight) just off the South Coast of the UK. Houses there are , or were dirt cheap. She was also to get a puppy (first ever dog) and possibly a cat, had loads of them before.
    I decamped from London to the south coast a few years back - I can see the Isle of Wight from where I live . There's no shortage of dog ownership down here, but I didn't realise how expensive puppies are until I just checked some outlets. Normally, I'd suggest a rescue dog, but perhaps that's not a good idea for someone who's never owned a dog.

    I also think you'll be surprised at the house prices on the island. It's getting much harder to find a bargain, especially with the current temporary suspension of tax duty on properties under £500k. There's also increased demand for holiday homes in the area, as vacations abroad become less attractive.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      I decamped from London to the south coast a few years back - I can see the Isle of Wight from where I live. . There's no shortage of dog ownership down here, but I didn't realise how expensive puppies are until I just checked some outlets. Normally, I'd suggest a rescue dog, but perhaps that's not a good idea for someone who's never owned a dog.

      I also think you'll be surprised at the house prices on the island. It's getting much harder to find a bargain, especially with the current temporary suspension of tax duty on properties under £500k. There's also increased demand for holiday homes in the area, as vacations abroad become less attractive.
      Interesting. I went there for a holiday when I was a kid in the sixties, stayed In Shanklin. About a year ago you could get a three bedroom home there for under 200k. It has no industry aside from tourism so only really a place to retire too. My sister owns outright a small Flat in Slough, one bedroom and another small box-room sized one. She reckoned about a year ago it would go for around 185k due to it's location. I wonder how much the places are in the Isle of Wight now? Will have to check.

      I did suggest perhaps a place by the sea along the south coast. Still cheaper there.

      Oh my Gawd, just looked at a site, Mobile homes and caravans are pretty much all that's left.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        It has no industry aside from tourism so only really a place to retire too.
        Industry? Lol. We have electricity and this thing called the internet now. No need to go down t'mill to work anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Industry? Lol. We have electricity and this thing called the internet now. No need to go down t'mill to work anymore.
          Now don't you go confusing me with these new fangled things. Lol. Glad to hear they have finally reached the south coast.

          So are you in Gosport, Southsea, Lymington or Milford. You don't need to answer if you wish to remain incognito.
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            So are you in Gosport, Southsea, Lymington or Milford.
            Near Chichester Harbour. It's a pleasant part of the world, with the sea on one side and the South Downs on the other. If your sister wants to live on the coast, some of the best bargains I've seen at the moment are in Hayling Island and Selsey. Otherwise, looking a mile or two inland would give her more options.

            You don't need to answer if you wish to remain incognito.
            Like anyone else is reading this.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              Near Chichester Harbour. It's a pleasant part of the world, with the sea on one side and the South Downs on the other. If your sister wants to live on the coast, some of the best bargains I've seen at the moment are in Hayling Island and Selsey. Otherwise, looking a mile or two inland would give her more options.

              Like anyone else is reading this.
              I sent my sister your recommendation about Hayling Island, only 2 houses available currently. If you looked a while back it would sure indicate how things are rapidly changing?
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              • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                I sent my sister your recommendation about Hayling Island, only 2 houses available currently. If you looked a while back it would sure indicate how things are rapidly changing?
                I don't know how particular your sister is, but a well-known UK property service currently lists 167 houses (with 3 or more bedrooms) for sale in Hayling Island.

                If you want, I'll PM you the link rather than turn the thread into a house search. I might have to charge.
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                  I don't know how particular your sister is, but a well-known UK property service currently lists 167 houses (with 3 or more bedrooms) for sale in Hayling Island.

                  If you want, I'll PM you the link rather than turn the thread into a house search. I might have to charge.
                  It's ok, having contacted her about half an hour ago, she replied that she was looking for something with a very specific criteria and price range. So possibly only a few that fit's that.

                  You could send the link though, would be appreciated. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I looked up Chichester Harbour - what a gorgeous area that appears to be.


    It's my greatest regret in life - that I went places where other people needed or wanted to be...instead of looking for places where I wanted to live. Years ago, I thought one of the most wonderful things about the internet was the ability to 'see' other places in the world without having the bother of traveling there
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I looked up Chichester Harbour - what a gorgeous area that appears to be.


      It's my greatest regret in life - that I went places where other people needed or wanted to be...instead of looking for places where I wanted to live. Years ago, I thought one of the most wonderful things about the internet was the ability to 'see' other places in the world without having the bother of traveling there
      Well, Frank lives there and he's absolutely stunning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I joked that it may be easier and cheaper to grab one from a pound here and export it. But that may be less a joke than you would think.

    For someone with no experience of puppies - might be far better to adopt an older shelter dog. Many older dogs are in shelter due to the death of an owner, etc. In my experience, you can often find a dog past the puppy stage (chewing of shoes, pooping on floors, etc) that has been trained and will be a loving companion devoted to the person who saves them.


    That much money for a puppy is insane - when there are great dogs in shelters just waiting for a loving home.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      For someone with no experience of puppies - might be far better to adopt an older shelter dog. Many older dogs are in shelter due to the death of an owner, etc. In my experience, you can often find a dog past the puppy stage (chewing of shoes, pooping on floors, etc) that has been trained and will be a loving companion devoted to the person who saves them.


      That much money for a puppy is insane - when there are great dogs in shelters just waiting for a loving home.
      Well now I wish I had never started this thread, apologies.. Sis first reveals her pickiness on houses and finally reveals that she want's one of two breeds of crossbred dogs.

      These are either The Cockerpoo or the Cavachon, very popular small dogs in short supply, each sweet natured. However, paying over 2k for a puppy is still an insane amount of money. Demand must have ramped up of late.
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Well now I wish I had never started this thread, apologies.. Sis first reveals her pickiness on houses and finally reveals that she want's one of two breeds of crossbred dogs.

        These are either The Cockerpoo or the Cavachon, very popular small dogs in short supply, each sweet natured. However, paying over 2k for a puppy is still an insane amount of money. Demand must have ramped up of late.
        Geesh, Mark, buy her a robotic one, plug it into your computer and you have a friend for life!

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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Well now I wish I had never started this thread, apologies.. Sis first reveals her pickiness on houses and finally reveals that she want's one of two breeds of crossbred dogs.

        These are either The Cockerpoo or the Cavachon, very popular small dogs in short supply, each sweet natured. However, paying over 2k for a puppy is still an insane amount of money. Demand must have ramped up of late.
        Your sister sounds like a handful.
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          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Your sister sounds like a handful.
          Yes, she's a little quirky, but her heart's in the right place.
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        Hi Ian,

        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        These are either The Cockerpoo or the Cavachon, very popular small dogs in short supply, each sweet natured. However, paying over 2k for a puppy is still an insane amount of money. Demand must have ramped up of late.
        My sister has two of those Cockerpoos. She paid good money and they're both completely insane. I don't know if they're all like that! I recommend a mongrel from a rescue home, I got one twice and never regretted it.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi Ian,



          My sister has two of those Cockerpoos. She paid good money and they're both completely insane. I don't know if they're all like that! I recommend a mongrel from a rescue home, I got one twice and never regretted it.
          Interesting as it generally says online that they are sweet natured dogs, faulty batch? I certainly would not seek out a pedigree or cross bred.
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Interesting as it generally says online that they are sweet natured dogs, faulty batch? I certainly would not seek out a pedigree or cross bred.
            Yes, speaking from my own experience and knowing my sister there is a strong possibility that we are both part of a faulty batch and that this has caused the poor, blameless, sweet-natured dogs to completely lose their marbles
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    I don't recommend dogs for air travel. It can be especially hard on them down in the cargo hold. So much so that dogs are known to have heart attacks. Some freeze to death. And that's just domestic travel.
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      I don't recommend dogs for air travel. It can be especially hard on them down in the cargo hold. So much so that dogs are known to have heart attacks. Some freeze to death. And that's just domestic travel.
      Dogs with these names fare better

      https://www.thepaws.net/60-dog-names...d-by-aviation/
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      dognappers.co.uk is available

      Surge in dognapping as crime gangs cash in on demand for pets during lockdown
      Independent Monday 03 August 202


      Excerpts..

      Owners warned after spike in thefts of pets worth thousands of pounds

      Organised crime gangs have stepped up pet thefts since the start of the coronavirus pandemic to cash in on rising prices for dogs and puppies.

      It is thought thieves in some areas are leaving white chalk marks outside homes to indicate to accomplices which houses have dogs worth stealing.

      In Suffolk, two Lhasa apso dogs and seven puppies, worth up to £2,000 each, were among pets stolen from a boarding kennels, along with six Labrador puppies and a spaniel.

      Cocker spaniels may sell for as much as £3,500 each.

      The charity DogLost says dog thefts went up by 65 per cent between 23 March, when lockdown was announced, and 1 June, compared with the same time last year.

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      Source: Google snippets

      Is stealing a dog a crime UK?

      It explains that the theft of a pet is already a criminal offence under the Theft Act 1968, and the maximum penalty is seven years' imprisonment, so there is "no need to introduce a separate offence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I've never understood the demand for 'designer dogs'. Some like labradoodle are cute and smart but they also often have more medical problems over time.


    I've always found any breed mix that includes 'labrador' is a good natured dog...but mine were always rescues. Guess I should have given them designer breed names instead of 'heinz 54'. I've had labratrievers, and chowrador....a shepheeler and beagoodle.and our current pugaussie and shepranees-.so many great 'breeds'.


    Damn - I could have been rich selling those pooches instead of feeding them for years....
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I've never understood the demand for 'designer dogs'. Some like labradoodle are cute and smart but they also often have more medical problems over time.

      I've always found any breed mix that includes 'labrador' is a good natured dog...but mine were always rescues. Guess I should have given them designer breed names instead of 'heinz 54'. I've had labratrievers, and chowrador....a shepheeler and beagoodle.and our current pugaussie and shepranees-.so many great 'breeds'.

      Damn - I could have been rich selling those pooches instead of feeding them for years....
      When I was 13 yeas old my first dog was a cockapoo puppy from a dog shelter. Every day I made it my mission to feed and spend at least 15 minutes a day with "Tippy". She made me a better person.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

        When I was 13 yeas old my first dog was a cockapoo puppy from a dog shelter. Every day I made it my mission to feed and spend at least 15 minutes a day with "Tippy". She made me a better person.
        She turned out well, given that her mother: "Tipsy" was a drunk
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    Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

    When I was 13 yeas old my first dog was a cockapoo puppy from a dog shelter. Every day I made it my mission to feed and spend at least 15 minutes a day with "Tippy". She made me a better person.
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    She turned out well, given that her mother: "Tipsy" was a drunk
    What a terrible thing to say.
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      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      What a terrible thing to say.
      I know the truth hurts but it's all there in the Dog Shelter records. Her father was a one night stand and then there was a succession of "Uncles" staying over.

      I'm glad Tippy was given a good home as a pup.
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        I know the truth hurts but it's all there in the Dog Shelter records. Her father was a one night stand and then there was a succession of "Uncles" staying over.

        I'm glad Tippy was given a good home as a pup.
        Now I know why she barked with an accent. It was you.
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          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          Now I know why she barked with an accent. It was you.
          Well I am sweet natured.
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I joked that it may be easier and cheaper to grab one from a pound here and export it. But that may be less a joke than you would think.

    Any thoughts?

    I'm in the process of having a main coon shipped from the ukrian to miami.
    After all the red tape, customs, wait and animal passport, the shipping
    alone is $1,600. Due to Covid, Same deal last year was 4 or 500 bucks
    and it was delivered to my local airport.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      I'm in the process of having a main coon shipped from the ukrian to miami.
      After all the red tape, customs, wait and animal passport, the shipping
      alone is $1,600. Due to Covid, Same deal last year was 4 or 500 bucks
      and it was delivered to my local airport.
      Wow, that's a big cat and a lot of fur to sweep up.

      My father got an adult cat from a shelter in the UK. It had a passport and was originally from Spain. When my father died my sister who was fond of it, could not keep it and returned it to the shelter. surprisingly, it got adopted again, despite it's advanced years. Perhaps it meowed in Spanish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Cocker spaniels are pretty and often sweet natured - but I've never met one that wasn't dumb as a rock. Of course, in a dog that's not always a bad thing. The smart they are, the more trouble they get into.
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    My cockerpoo was smarter than my x-wife. That might not be saying a lot.


    One year I cut a doggie door in the back door that led to the outside enclosed porch. My X locked herself out of the house and decided to use the doggie door to go back into the house. There was one step from the porch into the house. She physically got stuck, lol.


    Lucky for me (if you know what I mean ) I came home about 15 minutes after she got stuck.
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    I'm also from UK same things are happening to me.
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    I'm also from UK
    ....but posting from Pakistan?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      ....but posting from Pakistan?
      Ex suburb of the UK
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Ex suburb of the UK
        Not too far from the truth actually. Pakistan, just like India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and once upon a time, thirteen independent colonies along the eastern seaboard of the North American continent. And many other nations spread across every continent on Earth.

        Anyhow, the main point is that as member states of the British Empire the people's of those lands automatically become citizens of Britain. So, all Pakistanis, Caribbean peoples, South Africans, Indians, Canadians, and SHOCK! HORROR!, Aussies and Kiwis were all at one stage British Citizens.

        A little known fact (I only found this out a couple of years ago, so there's no way on this green Earth that you would know it), that right up until 1948, there was no such thing as an Australian passport. All Aussies who wanted to travel outside of Australia applied for, and received a British passport.

        I have no idea what the UK equivalent of a "redneck" is, probably just a d!ckhead, but these people make me laugh when they whinge about invading "foreigners. Firstly, how do you think these people felt when the British invaded their lands? Not just invaded, but completely took over the whole administrative system.

        Secondly, and most importantly (and hilariously), these people are not "foreigners". Thanks to the Brits superior empire building skills (read the most powerful naval force in the world - at the time), those people are British citizens, entitled to exactly the same benefits and conditions as natural born English-. Scottish-. Welsh- and Northern Irishmen. One of the major benefits being the RIGHT to live in England, Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland.

        On a semi-related note, another thing that makes me laugh is the workers of (insert whatever nation you like here, including, but not limited to, Australia) complaining about foreigners coming "here" and "taking our jobs".

        Those people are going to (insert your choice of country here again) and BEING GIVEN "your jobs".

        How bleeding obvious is that?

        Here endeth the history lesson.
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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Not too far from the truth actually. Pakistan, just like India, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and once upon a time, thirteen independent colonies along the eastern seaboard of the North American continent. And many other nations spread across every continent on Earth.

          Anyhow, the main point is that as member states of the British Empire the people's of those lands automatically become citizens of Britain. So, all Pakistanis, Caribbean peoples, South Africans, Indians, Canadians, and SHOCK! HORROR!, Aussies and Kiwis were all at one stage British Citizens.

          A little known fact (I only found this out a couple of years ago, so there's no way on this green Earth that you would know it), that right up until 1948, there was no such thing as an Australian passport. All Aussies who wanted to travel outside of Australia applied for, and received a British passport.

          I have no idea what the UK equivalent of a "redneck" is, probably just a d!ckhead, but these people make me laugh when they whinge about invading "foreigners. Firstly, how do you think these people felt when the British invaded their lands? Not just invaded, but completely took over the whole administrative system.

          Secondly, and most importantly (and hilariously), these people are not "foreigners". Thanks to the Brits superior empire building skills (read the most powerful naval force in the world - at the time), those people are British citizens, entitled to exactly the same benefits and conditions as natural born English-. Scottish-. Welsh- and Northern Irishmen. One of the major benefits being the RIGHT to live in England, Scotland Wales or Northern Ireland.

          On a semi-related note, another thing that makes me laugh is the workers of (insert whatever nation you like here, including, but not limited to, Australia) complaining about foreigners coming "here" and "taking our jobs".

          Those people are going to (insert your choice of country here again) and BEING GIVEN "your jobs".

          How bleeding obvious is that?

          Here endeth the history lesson.
          I'm sure the German population of the current day regret the actions their predecessors made in attempting to take over the world not so long ago, just like the British people do in hindsight as to many of their actions. However, Many a British citizen of today day is made up of Indian's, Polish, African's, you name it, so, it looks like, despite our gripes, we did honor our commitments to that promise. Very little remains of the commonwealth and what is left seem quite happy to maintain the status quo, and it is mostly symbolic. We do not interfere in the running of what is left.

          I'm sure Hong Kong now regrets being no longer under the protective umbrella we afforded them.

          As to Australia, it was originally a British penal colony and I'm sure your ancestors were happier to make a new start rather than languish in British prisons. You have carved out a pretty successful nation out of it too, It would be a very different place if we had not started it off. Who knows what it would have become.

          The only gripes we have these days is because of our easy route to British citizenship, we have become far too overcrowded.
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            I'm sure the German population of the current day regret the actions their predecessors made in attempting to take over the world not so long ago, just like the British people do in hindsight as to many of their actions.
            There is every indication that had Goering's Luftwaffe been successful in the Battle Of Britain, that Hitler would've left the then British Empire intact but as a vassal state of the Reich. The best equivalent I can think of is that Hitler would've been President with the monarch of the UK being Vice President.

            There is also a great deal of evidence (if you read between the lines of the various history books covering that period of history) that the then King (George VI, father of Elizabeth II) would've been replaced by his brother Edward VII, who is famous for abdicating the throne to marry American divorcee, Wallis Simpson. What is kept very quiet, perhaps deliberately, was that both of them were almost rabid Nazi sympathisers.

            Anyway, these are all fascinating topics to discuss, but they're worthy of their own thread rather than derailing this thread entirely. Given that this topic cannot help but getting into matters geo-political, even though its through purely historical eyes, it's probably best to start that thread "at the other place".

            Anyway, back to the main topic of dogs being transported overseas.
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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          I have no idea what the UK equivalent of a "redneck" is
          Kind of -

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

          Or is that equivalent to bogun/trailer trash?

          Full disclosure - I am a bit partial to sportswear and anti-social behaviour myself, although I've almost grown out of it.
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

            Full disclosure - I am a bit partial to sportswear and anti-social behaviour myself, although I've almost grown out of it.
            You're chatting with someone who has on purpose ended up looking like an extra in a low budget biker movie (long hair, ZZ Top style beard) after a few decades of looking like a typical corporate lackey, so I can definitely relate to looking and dressing down-market.
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