What Super Hero's Just Can't Be Stopped Fighting Crime?

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Well, obviously, Superman for one. He chooses to tackle crime, alleviate disasters and stop implausible super villain's. But, suppose it is the real world, There are a lot of super hero's around that choose to do this and probably only Superman and Wonder Woman, perhaps Thor are the only few that would be impervious to capture if the authorities objected to their vigilante ways.

Can you think of any others that would be really difficult to stop with a concerted effort by world authorities?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Were you 'Sheldon' in a previous life?


    Have to admit I spend little - make that 'no' - time wondering about super heroes or how to beat them.



    When I try to think about how to stop super heroes or super villains... my voice of common sense screams 'girl, are you freaking crazy?'
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Were you 'Sheldon' in a previous life?


      Have to admit I spend little - make that 'no' - time wondering about super heroes or how to beat them.



      When I try to think about how to stop super heroes or super villains... my voice of common sense screams 'girl, are you freaking crazy?'
      This is a serious subject that demands expert analysis. I regularly do "Hammer Time" with Thor. This is what retirement does to you folks
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Well, obviously, Superman for one. He chooses to tackle crime, alleviate disasters and stop implausible super villain's. But, suppose it is the real world, There are a lot of super hero's around that choose to do this and probably only Superman and Wonder Woman, perhaps Thor are the only few that would be impervious to capture if the authorities objected to their vigilante ways.

    Can you think of any others that would be really difficult to stop with a concerted effort by world authorities?
    I won't name the heroes, because i don't know most of them.

    But you mentioned the "real world".

    In the real world, all super heroes would be criminals. Even Superman. The first time he caught a criminal, the rights of the criminal would be violated. any property damage resulting from Superman saving the world would be his fault.

    He would instantly be a national threat, and then a world threat. No matter what he did. He would quickly be forced to either go into permanent hiding, or leave Earth.

    Even guys like Daredevil and Batman. They would be arrested the first time they went out to fight crime....and if they resisted in any way, they would be instantly considered a serious threat...and be shot.

    Anyone with real abilities would have to be completely covert. Never show anyone their abilities, even loved ones.

    And if Superman insisted on doing good deeds, he would constantly have to fight off the governments attempts to capture or kill him.

    If someone like Superman existed, some would worship him, some would think he was the Devil, and some would deny that he exists at all.

    But he wouldn't be treated like we see in the comics.

    Even a much simpler power, like reading minds or levitating...

    Show it to one person, and very quickly, your life would be a living hell.

    Now, if suddenly 1,000,000 people could read minds or levitate, it would very quickly be accepted as normal. Like runners who are especially fast, or mathematical geniuses.

    The only problem then would be convincing people like me that any of it was real, because our physiology just doesn't have a mechanism to allow us to read minds or levitate.


    By the way, let's assume you were Spiderman, swinging from the rooftops. It would take decades of swinging around...before you would ever luck into watching a crime being committed...so you could stop it.

    And....the premise is faulty. Why would anyone with abilities fight crime? How would that make them happy? Would you want to fight crime now, as yourself?

    Would you become a villain?

    I just don't think either extreme is in the nature of the vast majority of us.

    OK, that was me spending a good 10 minutes, not working.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      I won't name the heroes, because i don't know most of them.

      But you mentioned the "real world".

      In the real world, all super heroes would be criminals. Even Superman. The first time he caught a criminal, the rights of the criminal would be violated. any property damage resulting from Superman saving the world would be his fault.

      He would instantly be a national threat, and then a world threat. No matter what he did. He would quickly be forced to either go into permanent hiding, or leave Earth.

      Even guys like Daredevil and Batman. They would be arrested the first time they went out to fight crime....and if they resisted in any way, they would be instantly considered a serious threat...and be shot.

      Anyone with real abilities would have to be completely covert. Never show anyone their abilities, even loved ones.

      And if Superman insisted on doing good deeds, he would constantly have to fight off the governments attempts to capture or kill him.

      If someone like Superman existed, some would worship him, some would think he was the Devil, and some would deny that he exists at all.

      But he wouldn't be treated like we see in the comics.

      Even a much simpler power, like reading minds or levitating...

      Show it to one person, and very quickly, your life would be a living hell.

      Now, if suddenly 1,000,000 people could read minds or levitate, it would very quickly be accepted as normal. Like runners who are especially fast, or mathematical geniuses.

      The only problem then would be convincing people like me that any of it was real, because our physiology just doesn't have a mechanism to allow us to read minds or levitate.


      By the way, let's assume you were Spiderman, swinging from the rooftops. It would hake decades of swinging around...before you would ever luck into watching a crime being committed...so you could stop it.

      And....the premise is faulty. Why would anyone with abilities fight crime? How would that make them happy? Would you want to fight crime now, as yourself?

      Would you become a villain?

      I just don't think either extreme is in the nature of the vast majority of us.

      OK, that was me spending a good 10 minutes, not working.
      Ahh, but the question was to analyze the varying merits of each superhero's abilities and decide which aside from the ones I mentioned would be most likely to evade capture. You just went off on all kinds of tangents there and avoided the single question. I am marking you down 10 points for this.
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    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Well, obviously, Superman for one. He chooses to tackle crime, alleviate disasters and stop implausible super villain's. But, suppose it is the real world, There are a lot of super hero's around that choose to do this and probably only Superman and Wonder Woman, perhaps Thor are the only few that would be impervious to capture if the authorities objected to their vigilante ways.

    Can you think of any others that would be really difficult to stop with a concerted effort by world authorities?

    One punch man.
    The blue naked dude in Watchman.
    Super Saiya Man
    Light Yagami
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    What is it about our fascination with superheroes? Humans can't seem to be content with just being human. A cat is unlikely to waste any time dreaming of being "supercat" or having extra-cat powers.

    But in the "real" world, Superman wouldn't even need super powers. Any kind of sentient extra-terrestrial being, if believed (certainly not a given), would be likely to cause a global existential crisis, challenging not only the world's religions, but also any cherished notions of human exceptionalism.

    And the authorities are only able (or willing) to stop a fraction of the criminal activity perpetrated by humans as it is. Even Jason Bourne managed to escape capture throughout a host of big budget movies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      What is it about our fascination with superheroes? Humans can't seem to be content with just being human. A cat is unlikely to waste any time dreaming of being "supercat" or having extra-cat powers.
      We have always had Super heroes. Gilgamesh and Beowulf come to mind. At the beginning of the 1900s, on through the 1930s,,, we had fictional heroes. They just didn't wear costumes like we see today. they were called Mystery Men.

      The first hero to wear a tight costume was The Phantom. And for whatever reason, (probably because the comics were largely a visual medium) heroes quickly all wore these tight colorful costumes.

      And before there were mythical super heroes, there were gods aplenty. Ghosts and goblins serve the same purpose. Flights of imagination are a way to relax.




      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      But in the "real" world, Superman wouldn't even need super powers. Any kind of sentient extra-terrestrial being, if believed (certainly not a given), would be likely to cause a global existential crisis, challenging not only the world's religions, but also any cherished notions of human exceptionalism.
      Of course, any living thing from another world would change everything we thought was real.

      But even when I was a kid, I thought Superman was silly. How would a creature from another planet with a far greater gravity, happen to be shaped like us. He has the exact same musculature, the same features. the same organs. He is the same size as us.

      When I was a teenager, I had a friend that was really into comics. I remember us discussing how Superman's powers would work. Flight makes no sense. Heat vision makes no sense.

      And if he had the power to lift a mountain, he would be denser than neutronium. He would have his own gravitational field. Wherever he walked, he would sink into the ground, even if he walked on rock.

      And the idea that, under a red sun, he lost all his powers, was ludicrous. He would still be enormously strong, still invulnerable. Maybe he wouldn't be able to shoot heat beams out his eyes... but he would be the same person. Have the same physiology as before.

      Anyway, it's a discussion about nothing.

      On the other hand, I was seriously interested, as a teenager, to learn to levitate. And I'm sure it was because of Superman. I read dozens of books on the subject (not tricks, really levitation). Of course, it was all nonsense. But my brain was still not formed all the way, and I was uneducated.

      I remember for a few years, really making efforts to levitate. Even today I always dream I can fly. Always. And in the few seconds it takes me to wake up, that illusion fades....and I'm just me again.

      Weird.

      Oh, and there are several DC characters that are nearly omnipotent. The Phantom Stranger, Deadman, Doctor Fate. Green Lantern, Spectre, In Marvel, there are plenty of beings that are so powerful that they can move planets with a thought. But they don't fit the term "Crime fighting hero".

      And, what is James Bond, but a super hero? Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, Hercules....all fantasies to satisfy our lack of a feeling of power.

      I think Marvel heroes are more popular, because they are character driven stories...and it's easier to imagine you being like them.

      We cannot even imagine what it would be like running at the speed of light.

      By the way, running at even 10% of that speed would instantly though you off the surface of the planet into space. Because you would be going at a high multiple of escape velocity.

      More time I could have been spent working.
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      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      What is it about *Anglo-Saxon* fascination with superheroes? Humans can't seem to be content with just being human. A cat is unlikely to waste any time dreaming of being "supercat" or having extra-cat powers.

      Fixed for you.

      The most popular Franco-Belgian comic book heroes were likely Tintin followed by Spirou. But a lot if not most franco-belgian comics follow the same pattern. Someone that had good character but otherwise rather ordinary (Spirou was at first a hotel attendant), trust in extraordinary circumstances.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

        Fixed for you.
        Yeah, costumed super heroes are almost entirely an American thing.
        And in the 1950s, super hero comics were at an all time low in sales. They almost cancelled Batman. And for awhile the main comic book companies published romance and horror comics to stay afloat.
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    • Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      A cat is unlikely to waste any time dreaming of being "supercat" or having extra-cat powers.

      tbh it is beyond hooman comprehension the amount of effort them fkrs expend on bein' totally useless without realisin' what they dowin'.


      "We could piss liquid gold and they wouldn't value it -- so why in hell should we bother?"
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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        tbh it is beyond hooman comprehension the amount of effort them fkrs expend on bein' totally useless without realisin' what they dowin'.
        I think they know what they're doing. They domesticated humans pretty successfully.


        "We could piss liquid gold and they wouldn't value it -- so why in hell should we bother?"
        Why would cats value gold? They can't eat it, play with it - or emotionally manipulate it.
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          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I think they know what they're doing. They domesticated humans pretty successfully.


          Why would cats value gold? They can't eat it, play with it - or emotionally manipulate it.
          Considering how sadistic humans tended to be. The hour of the cat torturing a mouse or a rat was probably something cats learned to do to entertain humans.

          Just so it looked like they where doing something of value catching rodents
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          I think they know what they're doing. They domesticated humans pretty successfully.


          Why would cats value gold? They can't eat it, play with it - or emotionally manipulate it.
          World's worst super power...the ability to emotionally manipulate gold.

          And our cats didn't domesticate me at all. After they get me out of bed at 4:30 AM to feed them, and then ignore my requests to let me get back to sleep, they let me take a shower, while they stand outside the shower and sing the song of their people.

          So...I'm the boss of my own house. I can say that when I'm at work, and the cats are at home. I would never type this in front of them.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            World's worst super power...the ability to emotionally manipulate gold.
            Speaking of pointless superpowers... when I was a lad, I learned the technique of tearing phone books in half (we had to make our own entertainment in those days). It amused the occasional bored and impressionable party-goer.

            Sadly, the technique doesn't work with iPhones.

            I've tried.
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              Speaking of pointless superpowers... when I was a lad, I learned the technique of tearing phone books in half (we had to make our own entertainment in those days). It amused the occasional bored and impressionable party-goer.

              Sadly, the technique doesn't work with iPhones.

              I've tried.
              I used to be able to break bits off 1970's landlines. Another job for "Trimphone man"
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          • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            World's worst super power...the ability to emotionally manipulate gold.
            Gotta figure this lousy soundin' add on sell is kinda useless without the orignl purchase.

            So may I recommend the Emotion Bestowin' supahpowah?

            Discover how your journal feels about the words you write upon her pages! Uncover the secret desires of your panties as you pull them up over your blendyjuicy areas prior to a party! Touch base with a variety of cheeses in the store!

            K, so now we done findin' out 'bout the motivayschwaahns of cheese an' stuff, now we go bestow emotion 'pon gold.

            Suddenly this valuable yet base metal feels ... zackly as a hooman feels.

            It loves life, fears death, an' responds to diffrent pizzas with a range of feelings from lust to disgust.

            So here comes the add-on sell.

            As the gold of the planet wakes up to an existence brimmin' with all kindsa passions, here is Moi ... swankyin' into the mall, ready to deploy my EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATE GOLD supahpowah.

            "Gold," I whispah, "throw yusself at my feet bcs I a princess."

            (At this point, you might even experience sum success as a hypnotist.)

            So, yeah, great sales model, huh?

            Jus' gotta figure the gold telekinesis ishoo, plus also armor, force fields an' invisibility to protect me from ragin' hordes dun outta their gold.

            But I gaht a viable plan here, yeah?

            Tellya, plenty people figure I gaht nuthin' up top bar the fruitiest smile evah, but I figure my (senses patent) Emo Auro Combo gonna rock the planet once we ironed out summa the ishoos.
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    So far, we had just got a lot of non essential babble and philosophy about the ethics of super hero's

    Finally we get one, Dr Manhattan from Watchmen, had not thought of him, untouchable. Thank you Social Entry.

    Any others please?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      So far, we had just got a lot of non essential babble and philosophy about the ethics of super hero's

      Finally we get one, Dr Manhattan from Watchmen, had not thought of him, untouchable. Thank you Social Entry.

      Any others please?
      They would have to have godlike powers. The Flash, who can move at the speed of light would be impossible to catch. In fact, he would be impossible to see if he didn't want to be seen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Serene Carmen
    Fun question (for the superhero loving nerds like me)

    My top 2 are:

    1. Captain Marvel (probably my least favorite but hard to catch given that she can easily get off the planet)
    2. Dr. Strange (Multidimensional travel and ability to see alternate futures)

    One the other end (most easy tp catch) - Batman and Hulk?
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    The ultimate in 'looking back'.....I just ordered the ABBA 'Voyage' CD...if they can come back with a new recording after 40 years....I'm in.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      The ultimate in 'looking back'.....I just ordered the ABBA 'Voyage' CD...if they can come back with a new recording after 40 years....I'm in.
      Ah, yes, out today, will be looking for reviews online, and you of course.
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    Here is a counter question. In the world we live in . What super hero's have super powers that have any use against the majority of crime

    And if prosecutors are refusing to charge people and just letting people go . What is the point of fighting crime.
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    I feel like Batman doesn't get enough credit & what about Groot?
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      Originally Posted by Cayenne Marie View Post

      I feel like Batman doesn't get enough credit
      You must be new here.
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      Originally Posted by Cayenne Marie View Post

      I feel like Batman doesn't get enough credit & what about Groot?
      There is one man "The Man With No Name" on this forum who actually thinks he is Batman.

      As for Groot: "I Am Groot"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The ultimate in 'looking back'.....I just ordered the ABBA 'Voyage' CD...if they can come back with a new recording after 40 years....I'm in.

    Avoided giving the review as I'm disappointed. I'd title this one 'Abba's Last Gasp'. Only two songs that were worth listening to IMO and only one that I found myself humming later.


    Too much 'messaging' in the lyrics...some story-telling that seems patronizing/patriarchal..... and several of the tracks seem to be trying too hard to 'be Abba'.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Avoided giving the review as I'm disappointed. I'd title this one 'Abba's Last Gasp'. Only two songs that were worth listening to IMO and only one that I found myself humming later.
      I haven't bothered to even listen to the new stuff. With so much classic Abba music from their peak days still sounding fresh, who needs a rehash?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I think music groups that decide to 'hang it up' should probably leave it 'hung up'.... Hoped this one would be different - but it's not.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I think music groups that decide to 'hang it up' should probably leave it 'hung up'.... Hoped this one would be different - but it's not.
      I listened to snippets of the whole album online. The two singles were instant, classic Abba, quality songwriting, well structured, melodic quality songs.

      The rest was just mediocre filler material that of which would not even have been acceptable to use on there earlier albums as lesser tracks. Their was only really one other track, an un-released single that was just ok.

      Very disappointing. I think they did the two new tracks and the re-hash of the old song and ran out of steam and inspiration. Then rushed out half baked filler stuff to flesh it out for an albums worth.

      Not a great last ever album legacy. I suspect even die hard fans were hugely disappointed after the promise and quality of the singles. Even I cried, they were that good.

      That's probably why all the Abba euphoria pretty much dried up. Pity, They could have showed the world what quality songwriting is like again and so far superior to the unmusical stuff that is around today. No melodies, tunes, nothing memorable, subtle. Timbrality (volume) of all instruments is now set the same level in the recording.

      If you want a recommendation, the band, or two brothers, that compromise Sparks, are now producing the best pop tunes around that they have ever done. In there 70's no less, better than ever. You can go on You-Tube and find it all to listen to. Try the recent "A steady drip, drip, drip" album and about half of their previous one, "Hippopotamus."

      Some examples: All That, Edith Piaf, Stravinsky's Only Hit, Left Out In The Cold, Dick Around and loads more good stuff.

      They even wrote a rock opera recently, some good tracks on that.

      Will the kids of today listen to them nope, unfashionable, old hat
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Stravinsky's Only Hit

        Last time I ever google unknown music on this forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          Last time I ever google unknown music on this forum.
          Did you try any of the others. If you did you would see how diverse their music is. Like "All That", "Edith Piaf", "Left out in the cold". Wonderful straightforward Tunes. These would be number one hit singles if young people still valued actual well constructed and tuneful music and were not ageist. Sparks have always been diverse, artsy and often, very witty with their songs, hence stuff like Stravinsky.
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            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            Did you try any of the others. If you did you would see how diverse their music is. Like "All That", "Edith Piaf", "Left out in the cold". Wonderful straightforward Tunes. These would be number one hit singles if young people still valued actual well constructed and tuneful music and were not ageist. Sparks have always been diverse, artsy and often, very witty with their songs, hence stuff like Stravinsky.

            OK Boomer.
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    Love this thread!! I'm a Gen X born in 70 and have fond memories of the first Spiderman Tv series!! Even at 7 I could tell it was hokey but what a thrill it was to see a cartoon or comic book come to life...albeit on a tv show budget!! Anybody else remember that series?
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      Originally Posted by IM2Pat View Post

      Love this thread!! I'm a Gen X born in 70 and have fond memories of the first Spiderman Tv series!! Even at 7 I could tell it was hokey but what a thrill it was to see a cartoon or comic book come to life...albeit on a tv show budget!! Anybody else remember that series?
      I remember it and have had my 5 yr old watch it, too.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        I remember it and have had my 5 yr old watch it, too.
        How long did it take to come up with this excuse when you just wanted to watch it again yourself. Using your son like this, it's just bad parenting.
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          How long did it take to come up with this excuse when you just wanted to watch it again yourself. Using your son like this, it's just bad parenting.
          Bad parenting is letting your kid watch Spongebob.... Watching Superman - thats dad of the year level stuff
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          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          How long did it take to come up with this excuse when you just wanted to watch it again yourself. Using your son like this, it's just bad parenting.
          Yes, I watched most of it with him. "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" is one of the best lessons I can pass on to him.
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Yes, I watched most of it with him. "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" is one of the best lessons I can pass on to him.
            Mrs Riffle walks into the room and looks way down at Dan, sitting with their son.

            Mrs Riffle: Why are you watching this awful, corny old tv Spiderman, superhero crap?

            Dan: Its not for me, it's for our son (Spidey) It's to teach him morals and that with great power comes great responsibility.

            Mrs Riffle: So you think he might get bitten by some radioactive spider some day and develop super powers and spidey sense.

            Dan: Not necessarily, he may do well in merchant banking and move onto investments and eventually become a huge Company CEO Billionaire and that requires great responsibility.

            Mrs Riffle: I see, Alrighty then

            Mrs Riffle picks up her book, A Brief History Of Time, and settles down to continue reading.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        I remember it and have had my 5 yr old watch it, too.
        Just watched Ghosties, which had a good story, and didn't go overboard with the Special Affects, and was 2.5 hours with the ad,s.

        And even though it was disconcerting to be in a theatre, full of people who left more than their popcorn at the door, at least l got out of the heat outside for a few hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author erwinlagu
    Are superheroes in anime also included?
    Son Goku (Dragon Ball), or Saitama (One Punch Man)?
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by erwinlagu View Post

      Are superheroes in anime also included?
      Son Goku (Dragon Ball), or Saitama (One Punch Man)?
      Most of the forum is Americans and the median age is probably something like 55.

      They don't know who San Goku or Saitama are. There's no difference between Majin Buu, Naruto, Lee Kuan Yew and Sukarno to America.
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