What is the most destructive drug to our society??

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Some say heroin is others say meth or alcohol is. But I argue if you took the total number of deaths from over doses and addiction from those three elements they would pale in comparison to the damage sugar addiction has done to our society.

Heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes to name a few of the side effects of eating a lot of sugar.

Your thoughts ? Agree or disagree ?? ( and yes I realize sugar may not be a drug in of itself)
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    I am agree with you but also dont forget about porn addiction ,it destroy also very well
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    Some say heroin is others say meth or alcohol is. But I argue if you took the total number of deaths from over doses and addiction from those three elements they would pale in comparison to the damage sugar addiction has done to our society.

    Heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes to name a few of the side effects of eating a lot of sugar.

    Your thoughts ? Agree or disagree ?? ( and yes I realize sugar may not be a drug in of itself)
    It depends on what you mean

    Which drug kills you within a few minutes?
    Which drug is addictive and will kill you with an overdose?
    Which drug will take a decade off your life?
    Which drug costs the most in the drug itself, and the healthcare it requires for treatment?

    My guess is that sugar shortens the lives of the most people (In the US anyway). But shorten by how long? A few years? A decade?

    Smoking causes death, mostly by lung cancer and emphysema. But again, it takes many decades for the effects to be seen.

    to me, the most destructive cause of misery and death I think of is the instinctual desire to be a member of a tribe, and accept the beliefs of the tribe without thinking.

    Most wars are escalated and fought because of this tribal loyalty. Persecutions of large numbers of people are a result of accepting a defensive belief of a tribal leader.

    But, there is no cure. We have behaved this way for all of our evolution. It's hard wired in us.

    Frankly, I don't know much about who is addicted to what. But my guess is that alcohol could be the most physically destructive thing that people consume, that isn't against the law.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      to me, the most destructive cause of misery and death I think of is the instinctual desire to be a member of a tribe, and accept the beliefs of the tribe without thinking.

      Most wars are escalated and fought because of this tribal loyalty. Persecutions of large numbers of people are a result of accepting a defensive belief of a tribal leader.

      But, there is no cure. We have behaved this way for all of our evolution. It's hard wired in us.
      It's a double-edged sword. Tribal society increases our expected life span. Agriculture, science, mass production, comraderie, etc. These things all require a tribal society, at least from a macro perspective.

      As bad as the negatives are, tribal society is a net gain to our lifespan.

      Sugar is not a bad guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


      to me, the most destructive cause of misery and death I think of is the instinctual desire to be a member of a tribe, and accept the beliefs of the tribe without thinking.

      Most wars are escalated and fought because of this tribal loyalty. Persecutions of large numbers of people are a result of accepting a defensive belief of a tribal leader.

      But, there is no cure. We have behaved this way for all of our evolution. It's hard wired in us.
      Although it is a little bit off the nature of this question, it is an excellent point. Maybe what you say can be described as an "addiction" to be part of a group or be associated with other individuals.

      For me, I have always gone to the beat of my own drum. Never could understand herd mentality. I guess in some instances people get into it as a way of survival
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      My guess is that sugar shortens the lives of the most people (In the US anyway). But shorten by how long? A few years? A decade?
      It's not just the lifespan, it's also the quality of life. Sugar addiction causes obesity, diabetes and a host of other degenerative diseases.

      Unlike other harmful addictions, its use is encouraged and ingrained in us from childhood, and more or less condoned by a culture that considers candies, cookies and cakes as rewards.

      Its surreptitious yet widespread use in processed foods and soft drinks only fuels this addiction.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        It's not just the lifespan, it's also the quality of life. Sugar addiction causes obesity, diabetes and a host of other degenerative diseases.

        Unlike other harmful addictions, its use is encouraged and ingrained in us from childhood, and more or less condoned by a culture that considers candies, cookies and cakes as rewards.

        Its surreptitious yet widespread use in processed foods and soft drinks only fuels this addiction.
        "candies, cookies and cakes"

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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Most wars are escalated and fought because of this tribal loyalty.

      Can you name 10 different wars without googling?
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    they would pale in comparison to the damage sugar addiction has done to our society.

    Does the phrase "Mexican drug wars" ring a bell?
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    Here's one for free: Mexican drug war.


    In the case of Americans killing each other with .50 machineguns over sugar, you may add "American Sugar War" as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author VictorLoanz90
    I'd say big pharma is the most destructive drug to our society they're are tons of people strung out on pain killer medication which contains excessive opioid content such as Percocet/ OxyContin prescribed by doctors leaving the patient with dependency issues and addiction even after being cured .
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by VictorLoanz90 View Post

      I'd say big pharma is the most destructive drug to our society they're are tons of people strung out on pain killer medication which contains excessive opioid content such as Percocet/ OxyContin prescribed by doctors leaving the patient with dependency issues and addiction even after being cured .
      Agreed, in the UK they say that they have to eat 12 fruits a day to stay healthy, (no one is going to chop up 12 frickin fruits a day for breakfast, and AU, is 4 per day or it has no benefit).

      Which means if you eat an apple, no sorry zero benefit, and people just keep buying this nonsense.

      Doctors have to follow suit or miss out on expensive dinners and Medical fairs and such, and for the same reason they don't research anything just do.

      There have been several major stuff ups in the last century, medically and chemically speaking, but it makes no difference.

      So big Pharma, fear and anxiety are our biggest threats currently since if you put any country through enough fear and tension, they will follow.
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  • Way I see it, there are fast & evident blitz drugs like heroin, an' slower burn stuffs like sugah, salt, carbs etc.

    But mebbe wilful vs accidental ingestion is a slowah burn ishoo also.

    If I wish, I may cut out all heroin, sugah, salt & carbs -- though as Mom points out, I failin' to apply this willpowah to musself regardin' alcohol.

    "Have you considered getting a tap fitted to your liver, dear? You could run a bar from the back of one of your little black dresses."


    I thinkin' here of microplastics an' othah pollutants ovah which we gaht no direct control as personal imbibers.

    As a groop, we consent to sum level of imbibement bcs we hooked on the advantages stuff like plastic & oil-based fuel bring.

    But we don't see this as addiction.

    Perhaps we should.

    So much chemical firepowah crosses our hooman membranes, an' plenty of it has negative effects.

    But we can't fix evrythin' usselves.

    Actschwlly, the question of myootyoool fluxystuffs is a big ishoo genrly.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post


    Your thoughts ? Agree or disagree ?? ( and yes I realize sugar may not be a drug in of itself)
    Sugar is more of modern U.S. problem. Until companies like Hershey's, Mars, Coca Cola etc. arrived. There were no sweets consumption like now a days. Never been to the Middle East or Asia but doubt they have the same issues. Replacing sugar with High Fructose Corn Syrup is even worse in my book.

    Drugs are more destructive on a short term basis to society. Crystal Meth, Heroin & Fentanyl use is increasing all the time around the world. Sadly the US has the most demand.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Replacing sugar with High Fructose Corn Syrup is even worse in my book.
      Totally agree. HFCS is widely used in industrial food production because it's cheaper and sweeter than regular sugar. It's one of the most harmful ingredients of processed food that's still legal.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      Sugar is more of modern U.S. problem. Until companies like Hershey's, Mars, Coca Cola etc. arrived. There were no sweets consumption like now a days. Never been to the Middle East or Asia but doubt they have the same issues. Replacing sugar with High Fructose Corn Syrup is even worse in my book.

      Drugs are more destructive on a short term basis to society. Crystal Meth, Heroin & Fentanyl use is increasing all the time around the world. Sadly the US has the most demand.
      Um true but no... Hershey has been around since 1894, Coke was 1892, Mars was 1911.

      When you look at a timeline of "Obesity" you will see it was in the last 50 years ( 1970 ) that things started going south.

      So what happened in that time frame? Microwave ovens comes to mind. Tab ( made by Coca Cola ) for me is more identifiable as the beginning of the end ( Artificial Sweeteners ), and dare I say it, the progression of laziness.

      I might argue the point that "NOW" is the worst addiction ever. Why take the time to make food when you can just drive thru or have it delivered or throw it in the microwave?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        I might argue the point that "NOW" is the worst addiction ever. Why take the time to make food when you can just drive thru or have it delivered or throw it in the microwave?
        There is also a lot more eating of fast foods.

        When I was a kid, almost nobody ate at fast food restaurants. Even regular restaurants served real meals.

        Now, chicken and fish are mostly breading and grease. Sugar is added to everything, even hamburger. And salt is liberally added.

        Eat a Whopper with fries and a Coke...and you're at a thousand calories.
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    Agree completely. Scary thing is, the harmful effects of sugar aren't as publicized as other drugs.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Serene Carmen View Post

      Agree completely. Scary thing is, the harmful effects of sugar aren't as publicized as other drugs.
      Now she tells me, just bought 6 large bars of Cadbury's chocolate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    Some say heroin is others say meth or alcohol is. But I argue if you took the total number of deaths from over doses and addiction from those three elements they would pale in comparison to the damage sugar addiction has done to our society.

    Heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes to name a few of the side effects of eating a lot of sugar.

    Your thoughts ? Agree or disagree ?? ( and yes I realize sugar may not be a drug in of itself)
    If you cut down on added and excess salt and flavor foods with herbs and spices it becomes much easier to cut down on sugar intake and take an intermittent fasting approach to sugar and go at least 12 hours a day with out ingesting sugar foods or beverages.

    The problem is spiked insulin all day long . I believe fructose needs to go through the liver like alcohol to be used by the body. So it's not even just sugar it foods with sugars that are not widely available in nature.
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  • Profile picture of the author He11o Wor1d
    There are no drugs for me. There are only different substances, the reception of which has one or another effect. And excessive infatuation entails more serious consequences. This applies, among other things, to any actions (example: professional Sports - wears out the body and reduces life expectancy. Strong mental load - causes psychological diseases that develop into degenerative pathologies of the brain). There are experiments on rats, in which it is proved that "drug addiction" exists in individuals with mental disorders, recognized by an inappropriate life condition that does not satisfy the natural needs of society and the individual.
    I will answer your question like this: There are no drugs, there are "Addicts". Recklessness, self-deception, irrationality, low level of self-awareness, low social responsibility, lack of self-discipline, selfishness, etc. - is murderous for all beings. And as far as I know, sugar is a "fast carbohydrate", and they are capable of causing diabetes mellitus, namely insulin receptor resistance. The rest of the "side effects of sugar" listed by you have a different nature of origin, such as poor quality of drinking water, mineral saturation, psychological and physical overload, infectious diseases (for example: heart attack is necrosis of the heart muscle), lack of light physical activity, etc.
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    Okay, this is an older thread but thought this is worth sharing. Trending on Reddit it looks like this may start to spread throughout the U.S.

    "YSK that fentanyl is being cut with xylazine(horse tranquilizer) in Philadelphia (PLEASE READ IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE USE OPIATES)


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    Why YSK Fentanyl is being flooded to the drug scene and it's being cut into everything from cocaine, meth, counterfeit pills, marijuana(natural and synthetic like k2).The most disturbing thing is there adding xylazine now to the fentanyl, particularly in the Philadelphia area.

    This is causing necrosis of skin tissue when injected that is leading to infections, near fatal anemia, amputated appendages and limbs, and death. I'm trying to make people more aware that this is happening in and around Philadelphia at a disturbing rate and it is only going to start spreading to more parts of the country.. it's been pretty localized to the Philadelphia region in the past three years, but it is going to expand to the rest of the United States.

    This is just a warning to anyone who uses or knows anyone that uses opiates, heroin, fentanyl. I'm a recovering addict and have first hand experience of xylazine almost killing me due to infection and necrosis of my skin and muscle tissue to the point that my bone was exposed. My fiancé also died from a blood infection as a result of the xylazine causing an abscess and the infection went into her blood and died within three days of getting the abscess. Please be safe everyone!

    Edit: Here's what my leg looks like after three months healing with bandages off with todays date and time with my suboxone script for all the trolls out there who want to try to dismiss me

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    This is just terrible. Thanks for sharing and it is quite horrifying what this drug can do
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  • Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    But I argue if you took the total number of deaths from over doses and addiction from those three elements they would pale in comparison to the damage sugar addiction has done to our society.
    Hmmm ... I'd argue they'd "pale in comparison" because quantitively comparing a way much larger dataset (sugar users worldwide) against a much smaller dataset (heroin users worldwide, for example) is likely to generate significant error margins from results of quantitative analytics ...

    That's because on one hand, you have a way much bigger diversity of people with much higher usage frequency (sugar users worldwide).
    • So even if you normalize your target data points from each dataset, I'd say what you'd get is an imbalanced, biased set of comparative analytics ...

    Though my guess, from anecdotal evidence, is alcohol.
    • Almost everybody I meet has a handful of stories about their own experience and others they know (or they've come to know from media) regarding stupid things that they ended up doing. Which they wouldn't do when sober.
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  • Profile picture of the author PostingBay
    It's not everyone that can afford high profile drugs, it's why I don't even worry about them that much. In the end, it's all about about how users are addicted to any drugs.

    Alcoholic addiction is a very big problem in our society today. It's wrecked a lot families in ways they can never be the same again. My cousin's parents had to as a result of his father's addiction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaktiktilar
    Sugar isn't a drug, but the effect which it has on human's body is similar to drugs. Increase of dopamine production is considered to be the most distinguishing trait of drugs, and actually sugar has it as well. Sugar destructs the normal insulin production in the human's organism, however it doesn't mean that people have to refuse consuming sugar.

    It's impossible, because all the food and meal which you have daily, even if they are super-puper sugar-free make your oganism to produce insulin after you have finished eating. I don't urge to refuse eating, no, I just want to clarify that people can eat whatever they want - the main here is to decrease t he amount of "pure' sugar - sweeties, cakes, pancakes with syrup and somethigng like that. Substitute with the fruit. It's much healthier anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    According to the CDC, Fentanyl is now the number one cause of death for Americans ages 18 to 45. Surpassing suicide, Covid-19, and car accident-related deaths.

    I don't think I would compare that to sugar or caffeine or nicotine. Seems to me the easier life becomes...the more ways people find to screw it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I don't think I would compare that to sugar or caffeine or nicotine. Seems to me the easier life becomes...the more ways people find to screw it up.
      Yeah but the same behavior is observed in humans through history or in all spiritual texts. People respond to life getting easier my creating new ways to struggle and suffer.

      Think about all the food wasted by people who tried to replicate recipes the saw on tic tic. Then the people who died attempting to take dangerous selfie's

      Humans as a whole are not that intelligent we have just been able to pool and build on the most intelligent. Unfortunately our lives are getting worse as we are forced more and more to attempt to keep people safe from themselves.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        Humans as a whole are not that intelligent we have just been able to pool and build on the most intelligent.
        I used to think the same thing. Occasionally, I analyze my own thoughts, hoping to find flaws in reasoning. A neat trick, if you can do it.

        "Humans as a whole are not that intelligent." Well, really...most humans are of average intelligence...for a human.

        This isn't directed at you, but your statement triggered this thought.

        When most people say something like "people are stupid" or "People don't think" or "people don't use their common sense"....what they really mean is that many people don't agree with whatever they believe.

        Have you ever talked to someone who completely agrees with everything you say? It's hard to think of that person as stupid...because it reflects back on you.

        And weirdly, there is a big difference between intelligence and rational thinking. A big difference between intelligence and a clear world view.

        We all see the world through a different lens. And we all think our lens is the one that's clear.

        I have to agree with "We have just been able to pool and build on the most intelligent".

        A very few build the companies that supply nearly all the jobs. A very few invent everything that improves our lives. A very few create the cures, vaccines, treatments, that allow us to live longer. And only a very few inspire the rest to try.

        God, I love hearing myself talk.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


          God, I love hearing myself talk.
          Do you speak the words as you type them?

          That tracks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Do you speak the words as you type them?

            That tracks.
            I speak as I type. And I also record everything I say as I type. That way I can make sure I hear everything I've ever thought...at least twice....in my own voice.

            Self love is the greatest love.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Self love is the greatest love.
              But bad for carpal tunnel though
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                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                But bad for carpal tunnel though
                There was a study done on this, written by Rosy Palms & Hans Solo.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                But bad for carpal tunnel though
                If that caused carpal tunnel I should not have it in both hand.

                Anyway sugar is not the real problem. But vilification of sugar will most likely have the same negative effects that vilification of fat did.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I used to think the same thing. Occasionally, I analyze my own thoughts, hoping to find flaws in reasoning. A neat trick, if you can do it.

          "Humans as a whole are not that intelligent." Well, really...most humans are of average intelligence...for a human.

          This isn't directed at you, but your statement triggered this thought.

          When most people say something like "people are stupid" or "People don't think" or "people don't use their common sense"....what they really mean is that many people don't agree with whatever they believe.

          Have you ever talked to someone who completely agrees with everything you say? It's hard to think of that person as stupid...because it reflects back on you.

          And weirdly, there is a big difference between intelligence and rational thinking. A big difference between intelligence and a clear world view.

          We all see the world through a different lens. And we all think our lens is the one that's clear.

          I have to agree with "We have just been able to pool and build on the most intelligent".

          A very few build the companies that supply nearly all the jobs. A very few invent everything that improves our lives. A very few create the cures, vaccines, treatments, that allow us to live longer. And only a very few inspire the rest to try.

          God, I love hearing myself talk.
          "Occasionally, I analyze my own thoughts, hoping to find flaws in reasoning"

          Read some of your posts, they are all there in plain sight!
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  • Profile picture of the author TodosR
    Alcohol beat out such heavy hitters as cocaine, LSD, heroine, and tobacco.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Yeah but

    In other words, no....


    Think about all the food wasted by people who tried to replicate recipes the saw on tic tic.

    Why would I think about that? If they bought the food they 'wasted', more power to them for trying something new.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Claude.

    It doesn't matter the individual's intelligence. As I said it's the species as a whole. Sugar is just an example of us not being very intelligent on a collective scale.

    Nature packages sugar with high amounts of fiber and minerals that is why the is a dopamine response. Humans take the sugar out we get the problems we have.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Happily, I never tried any opiates long enough to have a danger of getting addicted, and ONLY took as prescribed. And I never took anything recreationally. And so I have no first hand experience of these, but videos of people in areas where so many are supposedly on Fentanyl are like something out of scifi. The people are like short circuited robots operating at the lowest possible power level.

    In such a case, they should try to cut off the whole area cold turkey. Hopefully everyone would recover.

    But it would be dumb to just let things continue as they have been, It really helps nobody.

    Sugar IS bad. If, as a little kid, I knew how they made it, I probably never would have taken table sugar. But at least it doesn't do what the other drugs do.
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