Cats, dogs, horses etc. sometimes I just do not get it ??

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And maybe I will never get it. It's just I could never understand why some people treat animals better than they do human beings.

Don't get me wrong I love our Basset hound, Smokie. I walk him everyday and really bond over that.

And as much as I love him if it was a matter of his Life or any decent human's life I would hands down pick the person's life.

I just do not understand where we have deviated and made domestic animals as equally or more important than a human's life ( and yes I do realize there are some scum buckets out there who are definitely not worth the life of a pet dog or cat, just talking about generalizations here)
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    we have deviated and made domestic animals as equally or more important than a human's life

    Could this just be a rant? Where do you see that occurring? You get to decide what is most important to you - what your priorities and values are. What others do is their business - what they value is up to them.



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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Could this just be a rant? Where do you see that occurring? You get to decide what is most important to you - what your priorities and values are. What others do is their business - what they value is up to them.

      but wat if ur a terorrist and ur job is to impose ur values upon other people
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    For what it's worth ... The other day there was a little Wasp/Maybe Bee trying to escape through the window, so I let them out and I'm sure they did a little "dance" to say "Thank You."
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      For what it's worth ... The other day there was a little Wasp/Maybe Bee trying to escape through the window, so I let them out and I'm sure they did a little "dance" to say "Thank You."
      I don't doubt it Jonathan as you are such a very empathetic soul just on having interacted with you on this forum
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      For what it's worth ... The other day there was a little Wasp/Maybe Bee trying to escape through the window, so I let them out and I'm sure they did a little "dance" to say "Thank You."
      Dancing to?: Johnny Bee Good, Let it Bee (slow dance), Honey, ahhh.. Sugar Sugar, or others?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I don't doubt it Jonathan as you are such a very empathetic soul just on having interacted with you on this forum
        Thanks discrat. : ) That was nice of you to say.

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        Dancing to?: Johnny Bee Good, Let it Bee (slow dance), Honey, ahhh.. Sugar Sugar, or others?
        Lol. Beehave. : P
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    I gave a cockroach a break two days ago!

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      I gave a cockroach a break two days ago!

      You work those creatures far too hard. I bet they never even get time to eat their lunch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post


    I just do not understand where we have deviated and made domestic animals as equally or more important than a human's life

    Where do you see that occurring?
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Where do you see that occurring?
      I see it in people all around me including in-laws and friends.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I see it in people all around me including in-laws and friends.
        If they would save a dog over you, it might be less a reflection on them and more on you.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          If they would save a dog over you, it might be less a reflection on them and more on you.
          No, they would not choose a dog over me but I was basically just trying to convey the point that some people in general ( a few I know) put their hope and state of being into a pet way beyond the norm. And humanize it in a way that I think is carrying it way too far.

          But hey I'm just a schmuck with an opinion and just like a-holes most everyone has one.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            I think Dogs are loved so much because they're very loyal and give unconditional love. They would happily "risk" their "safety" to protect you. "Man's [or Woman's] best Friend" as they say.

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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            No, they would not choose a dog over me but I was basically just trying to convey the point that some people in general ( a few I know) put their hope and state of being into a pet way beyond the norm. And humanize it in a way that I think is carrying it way too far.
            Describe your idea of humanizing them way beyond the norm. You mean like dressing them up, talking to them, putting bows in their hair, and things like that?

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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

              Describe your idea of humanizing them way beyond the norm. You mean like dressing them up, talking to them, putting bows in their hair, and things like that?

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              Yeah good question, Mark. I think just putting an enormous amount of mental and spiritual "investment" in them much like an adult would do to a newborn baby or toddler.

              Maybe Iam in the minority here, maybe not. But I do love animals and love my own dog. I mean my gosh if I see a squirrel in the road turn the opposite way into my car I will avoid it to a degree where I have almost crashed into another car. When I run over one it stays with me the rest of the day
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                Yeah good question, Mark. I think just putting an enormous amount of mental and spiritual "investment" in them much like an adult would do to a newborn baby or toddler.

                Maybe Iam in the minority here, maybe not. But I do love animals and love my own dog. I mean my gosh if I see a squirrel in the road turn the opposite way into my car I will avoid it to a degree where I have almost crashed into another car. When I run over one it stays with me the rest of the day
                I think I understand.

                Many people treat their pets like children...because the pets are a replacement for children.....for example;
                The single person who has no steady relationships sees a dog or cat as their friend...or members of their family.
                Some older people view their pets as their surrogate kids (that have moved away). We almost see our cats this way. It's just a thing older people do sometimes.

                Dogs, cats, horses, and other animals have distinct personalities. They feel pain, cry, play, feel loyalty, affection, loss.....in many ways, just simpler versions of us.

                For example, I love our two cats. Real love. My wife loves them too. Do they love us? No idea. They act like they do....but maybe I'm just the one that feeds them.

                But it's nothing like the love I have for my wife.

                I once asked a man from Africa what the first thing is he noticed about Americans (when he moved to the US). He said "You're fat, and eat all the time. And you have pets. Animals you let in your home and treat like family. I've never seen that before".
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    Because these people have a connection and a bond with their animals like 2 humans bonding with each other .

    That animal is a life too although it is not human .
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I'm probably guilty of what you are talking about. There are those that see them as pets or animals, but I see them as more than that.

    At the end of the day, it's still a dog and I know that. If I had to make a choice of who to save, I'd save a stranger over my dogs but then probably die going back to try and save them.

    But I don't let most people I know come take a dump in my yard, jump on me, or give me kisses. In that sense, I treat my dogs better than the neighbors.

    To me in my day-to-day thinking they aren't no name dogs. They have names, personalities, different barks, etc. Their names are Pearl, 妞妞, Joy, and 樂樂 not "hey dog" or some generic nonsense.

    One other thing to consider is how our dogs treat us. Mine listen to me, don't talk back, have never laughed at me or gossiped about me, or thought I was too fat/poor/slow/stupid/did I say fat. Now if humans treated other humans that way, we may be able to improve our society and close the divide which seems to grow deeper every day.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      At the end of the day, it's still a dog and I know that. If I had to make a choice of who to save, I'd save a stranger over my dogs but then probably die going back to try and save them.
      I hear you , Mark. Put it this way if someone tried to mortally wound my dog I would defend Smokie to the death. No question
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

    If they would save a dog over you, it might be less a reflection on them and more on you.
    A cat goes without saying.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    You work those creatures far too hard. I bet they never even get time to eat their lunch.
    Lol, it was more of a case he was in a plastic bag, and it was "squish or not to squish", Claude would be familiar with that predicament.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well because an animal will never betray you like people do this days .You cannot trust anymore these days ,everyone look for interests your money etc
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  • Profile picture of the author PostingBay
    It's all about what matters to people and they do it the way it suits them. I can agree with you that some people treat their pets better more than they do with human beings and I'm very sure that they have their reasons for doing so.

    The same thing is also applicable to those who treat their pets like animals and punish them like slaves. I watch a clip last 2 months if I remembered correctly where a West Ham player was beating his cat and filmed it. What does that tell you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Nuadazan
    Hmm... I think everything is concluded in one simple truth. Cats dogs and horses are weaker than people anyway, and when we see the news, where human beings mock the animals - it causes a particular brain flows, I mean - rage and agression. It makes us pissed off just because we understand that the animals are defenseless - they must be treated equally to people.

    It doesn't mean that people also have to be mocked in order to become equal to animals. It does mean that the level of cruelty which the society has nowadays is an increased one. We have to struggle to decrease this level and hence we should educate those people who mock on weaker living beings.
    Sometimes - it's useless, because the most part of people who harm animals are sick ones and they must be either incarecarted or put into psychiatric facility (in case they are mentally unhealthy).
    There are no ways to struggle with such people. When this level of cruelty will be decreased, people start equally relate both to animals and other people.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Projection is one cause.

    The ego projects concepts like innocence, sincerity, unconditional love and perfection (in some ways) onto pets because pets or domestic animals cannot:

    - say horrible things to us in the English language
    - abuse us in the same way that people do
    - hurt us in the same way that people do

    Animals seem somewhat safe, since they cannot hurt us as people hurt us in the past, so some folks value their lives more than humans.

    The trick-challenge is to learn to forgive humans, then, you begin to see the equality of everyone in mind (humans, animals), then, you see in short glimpses how we are all one versus separated. In those moments, there is nothing or no one to judge because no differences or separation exists in one whole entity, mind, or whatever folks may call God, the Universe, etc.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      Projection is one cause.

      The ego projects concepts like innocence, sincerity, unconditional love and perfection (in some ways) onto pets because pets or domestic animals cannot:
      Good point Ryan.

      There's even a fancy name for that: "Anthropomorphism." And although I'm sure that does happen ― Dogs in particular actually do experience emotions (etc.) Compared to other animals, they're also very clever/intelligent.

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      It's nice to see you on The Forum again Ryan: I've enjoyed reading a lot of your posts. : )
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      Projection is one cause.

      The ego projects concepts like innocence, sincerity, unconditional love and perfection (in some ways) onto pets because pets or domestic animals cannot:

      The trick-challenge is to learn to forgive humans, then, you begin to see the equality of everyone in mind (humans, animals), then, you see in short glimpses how we are all one versus separated. In those moments, there is nothing or no one to judge because no differences or separation exists in one whole entity, mind, or whatever folks may call God, the Universe, etc.

      Ryan
      Well I can agree. We do tend to have to learn how to care for an animal based on its personality. Instead of expecting others to act how we think they should act around us. And openly and regularly attempting to force human to act against or outside their personality. Then getting upset with them when they revert to acting like themselves.

      Most of what we hold against people is the same as if we leave food on a plate where a pet could get to and the pet gives into nature and takes the food.

      The myth of the domesticated cat. Cats domesticat and train their humans dog are pack animals. And I know my brothers dog figured she was In charge of my brothers condo haha
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    • Profile picture of the author socialentry
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      The ego projects concepts like innocence, sincerity, unconditional love and perfection (in some ways) onto pets because pets or domestic animals cannot:

      - say horrible things to us in the English language
      - abuse us in the same way that people do
      - hurt us in the same way that people do

      they can however, get rabies and start mauling small children


      also some people hav exotic domestic animals like tigers e.g. Mike Tyson
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  • tbh I figure most pets are stoopid.

    Hamstahs jus' trundle round their wheels, fill their faces with hamstah munch, then die suddenly.

    Cats don't gaht no frickin' cloo, but radiate a mystique says they do. Our bad.

    Dahgs purport to be faithful, but will gladly hunt in a pack if'n you ain't around, an' their lick juice can infect your stomach with parasites for a zillion years.

    Fish.

    Fish.

    Fish.

    Yeah, c'mon, frickin' WAKE UP, you morons.

    Hey, plus also horses are naht pets.

    They kinda speshlists.

    As are cows, elephants, an' certain kinds of performin' geese.

    (Actschwlly, them performin' geese are the bestest evah speshlists of all once you trained 'em up to mastah karaoke.)

    For sure, you would naht wanna treat nonea these glorious animyools crool or heartless.

    Jus' as you would not wanna invite harm upon a person -- teeth fallin' out, or babe.

    But it is in the naychoore of kindness an' regard that we realise our lack of infinite choice.

    One way we see this is ... why send money ovahseas when our own people are dyin'?

    Why save goats from EVIL GOAT HUNTAHS when we can protein up on goats an' go slay evil goat huntahs?

    Why care 'bout a malnootritioned frickin' opossum when sum actschool kid in your neighborhood gowin' hungry?

    Perhaps it is necessary to have such a leap from close up an' personal to the widah good.

    Bcs it would be all too easy to suck evrythin' back to yusself.

    That is what happens less'n there is widah regard.

    It is naht a competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author KillerVirus
    People who will scream in outrage if an animal is mistreated will step over a homeless person in the street and pretend not to see them.

    I flat out love animals but would take the food out of their mouths to feed a hungry human, and I don't even like them in general.

    The world has gone topsy turvy for real.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    People who will scream in outrage if an animal is mistreated will step over a homeless person in the street and pretend not to see them.

    Because animals don't choose their circumstances....they have no control over what happens to them. Each person chooses what is most important to them...which is how it should be.
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  • Profile picture of the author KillerVirus
    I don't know anyone who is homeless or hungry by choice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by KillerVirus View Post

      I don't know anyone who is homeless or hungry by choice.
      Well I do. Those people that are passed out on the streets during the day. Are actually choosing that. Especially if they are filthy in dirty and ripped clothes. Because they are asleep In the day instead of get to where clothes are passed out a few times a week where food is passed out daily or many times a day. Or where free showers are available.
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    You should fervently hope you never find yourself in that position.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by KillerVirus View Post

      You should fervently hope you never find yourself in that position.
      What if I am homeless and speaking from a wealth of experience dealing with other homeless people.

      What I I actually am choosing or have chosen to be or stay homeless. And I'm just well aware of how to find where to get food. Safe places to sleep that are not on the sidewalk. And ways to keep up with hygiene. So I'm not caked with dirt and wearing nasty ripped clothes.

      I prefer dealing with other homeless people who you really can't tell are homeless unless you talk to them and see them on a regular basis. Who when they choose can get back into a place to live and keep it clean.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        What if I am homeless and speaking from a wealth of experience dealing with other homeless people.

        What I I actually am choosing or have chosen to be or stay homeless. And I'm just well aware of how to find where to get food. Safe places to sleep that are not on the sidewalk. And ways to keep up with hygiene. So I'm not caked with dirt and wearing nasty ripped clothes.

        I prefer dealing with other homeless people who you really can't tell are homeless unless you talk to them and see them on a regular basis. Who when they choose can get back into a place to live and keep it clean.
        But are you ??

        Listen I think both of you are right. There are some who choose to be homeless while there are others that do not.

        Odahh, no offense but it does seem like you think it is 100 percent choice is why people are homeless ( i could be wrong) but things like mental illness and drug addiction make for a reason why some are homeless NOT by choice.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          But are you ??

          Listen I think both of you are right. There are some who choose to be homeless while there are others that do not.

          Odahh, no offense but it does seem like you think it is 100 percent choice is why people are homeless ( i could be wrong) but things like mental illness and drug addiction make for a reason why some are homeless NOT by choice.
          Well I'm saying some are choosing. Not all. But the people who are homeless and hungry and dirty and sleeping in the streets during the day. Are choosing that. As there amid plenty of food available in most of the country and places to get clothes and showers,
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    Thread has gone totally off topic.
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