Alcoholism can be a real bitch :(

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I have a college buddy who has been a lifelong friend since our teens. For more than 25 years he has been hitting the bottle ( his poison of choice is wine) pretty hard. We're both in our mid 50s.

In recent years my other friend has come to the conclusion that our alcoholic friend drinks every night to oblivion to go to sleep.

Well its caught up with him. I have not seen him in years but our mutual friend said he was admitted to the ER Friday night and has been in the hospital ever since then.

My friend says our buddy is having liver failure and keeps bleeding internally to the point that he keeps having to get transfusions. They're not sure what is going on.

Anyone with any idea what it could be would be appreciated ??

Anyway, alcohol and it's abuse can just be devastating. (The thing is my friend never drank much in our college days. Hardly at all.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Sounds like gastrointestinal bleeding...and, no, I'm not a doctor.



    My younger son's best friend from high school began drinking heavily in his mid-20's....and died of the bleeding mentioned above in his 30s.



    The human body can only take so much abuse before it quits.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Yeah Kay so many people let this condition squeeze the life out of them.

      Probably does more damage to our society as a whole than even smoking
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Yeah Kay so many people let this condition squeeze the life out of them.

        Probably does more damage to our society as a whole than even smoking
        Excessive amounts of stress are probably top of the list.which leads to alcohol abuse, over eating, smoking and drug use.

        And we have a society that for the most part embraces high amounts of stress.

        Failure to lower or eliminate stress tends to lead to some or multiple self destructive coping behaviors
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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    I have a college buddy who has been a lifelong friend since our teens. For more than 25 years he has been hitting the bottle ( his poison of choice is wine) pretty hard. We're both in our mid 50s.

    In recent years my other friend has come to the conclusion that our alcoholic friend drinks every night to oblivion to go to sleep.

    Well its caught up with him. I have not seen him in years but our mutual friend said he was admitted to the ER Friday night and has been in the hospital ever since then.

    My friend says our buddy is having liver failure and keeps bleeding internally to the point that he keeps having to get transfusions. They're not sure what is going on.

    Anyone with any idea what it could be would be appreciated ??

    Anyway, alcohol and it's abuse can just be devastating. (The thing is my friend never drank much in our college days. Hardly at all.)
    In light of what the world has gone through the last two years, l would say that the answer is self evident.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    Sounds like he is trying to drink his problems away.
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  • Profile picture of the author WF- Enzo
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    Probably cirrhosis.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

      Probably cirrhosis.
      I would ask the friend if he was at the point where he drank mouthwash perfume or anything with alcohol in it when he could not get booze.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    When the friend is in the hospital bleeding out - I expect a doctor has covered it. Someone who will drink anything is most definitely addicted...but not all heavy drinkers are alcoholics.



    Addicts have excuses they use - stress, family problems, world problems, work problems, financial problems. More often than not, the problems are a result of the addiction rather than the cause.



    I've known people who quit an addiction when it became life threatening - and I've known some who didn't and died. It's frightening how strong addictions can be.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


      Addicts have excuses they use - stress, family problems, world problems, work problems, financial problems. More often than not, the problems are a result of the addiction rather than the cause.
      Pretty sure you nailed it with that description.

      Alcoholics will look for excuses to blame their addiction on...and when those excuses are no longer valid, they'll look for new excuses.

      But as far as what is happening...

      I have heard the term Mallory-Weiss tears in the digestive tract. From what I understand it is a symptom sometimes with heavy drinkers
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        Pretty sure you nailed it with that description.

        Alcoholics will look for excuses to blame their addiction on...and when those excuses are no longer valid, they'll look for new excuses.
        Well the alcoholics I have known either have no expectation of a better future or are filled with anger of their past they never get closure on because the people they are angry at are dead. So they get drunk and take it out on the people around them.

        But that is my experience. The drug addicts tend to have a different set of past issues based on drug of choice and financial ability
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        • Odahh,

          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          Well the alcoholics I have known either have no expectation of a better future or are filled with anger of their past they never get closure on because the people they are angry at are dead. So they get drunk and take it out on the people around them.
          I think you're talking about "drunks"? And not "alcoholics"?
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

            Odahh,



            I think you're talking about "drunks"? And not "alcoholics"?
            I'm not playing that game on this subject . Someone can either stop drinking permanently or for a period of time. Or they can't control it and it the drinking controls their lives.

            A problem is a problem is a problem
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            • Ah. But sorry. Can't be as subjective.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

                Ah. But sorry. Can't be as subjective.
                I could list subjective examples but the post would probably get deleted the thread may get closed and I might get banned. So for the sake of the thread if the drinking is a problem it's alcoholism.
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                • Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  I could list subjective examples but the post would probably get deleted the thread may get closed and I might get banned. So for the sake of the thread if the drinking is a problem it's alcoholism.
                  Ah, yes. Let's slide to that "as-vague-as-can-be" scale. Towards the benefit of a common group. That way, we don't need to be objective. Easier, I guess?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

                    Ah, yes. Let's slide to that "as-vague-as-can-be" scale. Towards the benefit of a common group. That way, we don't need to be objective. Easier, I guess?
                    I'm not being vague. I'm just not seeing a difference between being a drunk and being an alcoholic. I'm refusing to define the line between them. I'm not stopping you from stating what you believe the difference is.

                    Someone either has an alcohol problem or they don't. I'm Irish in decent. Everyone in my family drinks I was the only hold out until I moved to Las Vegas the first time and started drinking every day. I have to stop for a time or it will become a problem.

                    Part of why I moved back to Las Vegas this time was because you can walk down the street drinking a beer as long as you are not near a store that sells alcohol. And I stopped drinking after the first week I was here.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              I'm not playing that game on this subject . Someone can either stop drinking permanently or for a period of time. Or they can't control it and it the drinking controls their lives.

              A problem is a problem is a problem
              Actions always speak louder than words!
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    the post would probably get deleted the thread may get closed and I might get banned

    Nope - as long as you state your opinion and allow others the right to have their own opinion....that doesn't happen.


    I think we insist on 'labels' because it adds a layer of permission.

    If someone is 'addicted' we can excuse the behavior to some extent and sympathize or at least empathize.
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    I understand what you are saying, odahh. But I personally have seen "drunks" ( who go on a bender once every few months) who are NOT alcoholics.

    It may be a New Years Eve party or a wedding. But they get drunk and act as "drunks" but it does not interfere with any problems in their life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      I understand what you are saying, odahh. But I personally have seen "drunks" ( who go on a bender once every few months) who are NOT alcoholics.

      It may be a New Years Eve party or a wedding. But they get drunk and act as "drunks" but it does not interfere with any problems in their life.
      There is a reason I'm being specific. Is the drinking causing problems in their lives. And can they stop drinking.

      Without rehab or a 12 step program or a medication that suppresses the urge or withdrawal symptoms.

      It's an easy test for any addiction .

      And for the sake of some gray areas the choice too order a house special large pizza with stuffed crust and a full order of cheesy garlic knots and eat it all after drinking to much. Is not the kind of problem that signals alcoholism.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    There is a difference - and it is well documented.

    Can you be a heavy drinker and not be an alcoholic?

    "This study shows that, contrary to popular opinion, most people who drink too much are not alcohol dependent or alcoholics," said Dr. Robert Brewer, Alcohol Program Lead at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and one of the report's authors, in a press release.
    --Harvard.edu

    https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-he...binge-drinking
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    excess of everything is injurious... so as alcohol.
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  • It is totally troo I occasionally walk into walls, havin' completely forgaht who I am.

    An' most Noo Years, you gotta scrape me offa the ceilin' if'n you wanna query Moi 'bout anythin'.

    As a Sagittarius, I would be noplace without what most male hair groomin' products might wanna describe as "volumized excess".

    But I would naht wanna walk this path 24/7.

    Here are blasts fired aloft ... firewoiks in the sky ... momentary elevations beyond the pedestrian.

    How I know this?

    Bcs you can't yogah out all sublime while you floopsied off your Yummypipe.

    Here is a clean-livin' & soulful lift of alla yr presences & yondahs demands a diffrent stance toward reality & its imminent horizons.

    CONTRAST IS A SUPAHPOWAH.

    It be practical conflux in motion -- booms & kazooms punctuated by soulful flopout.

    An' I would wanna question the doctrine of single-mindedness here bcs it is the positive flipside of addiction.

    What choice do you have if the path you CHOOSE is hellbento?

    What choice do you have if your lack of choice has a similarly singulah destination?

    That is why I favor livin' a broad existence.

    The wisdom of manyture.

    The optimism of sum kinda balance.

    Gotta say, I am a creacher of excess, trooly.

    So I would want always to stabilize musself in regulah pulses.

    If I am to be driven, I wanna see plenty places steada jus' the one.

    Wider out than alcohol, likely it is the case that plenty people jus' kinda get STUCK.

    One slooshin' for the whole shebang, kinda thing.

    Tellya, we gaht an entire planet fulla miscellaneously stymied talents & opportoonities could be maximized if'n only we could lift folks up bettah.

    My view?

    Too many weaponized carrots don't gaht no actschwl vitamins.
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