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I was in several long term relationships but never had kids. I don't miss it other than perhaps the carrying on of the family name. My sister never did either so pretty much that's the end of our bloodline.

So, if you did have kids, what were the things you think you sacrificed in life and how do you think it would have gone without them.

If not, do you regret not having them now or are you still exhilarated about being child free?
  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Weird as I never saw this thread until now

    But it raises some good points. Personally I could not imagine Life without my children. I thought I really never would have them and always wondered why people made such a big deal about them... until I actually had them.

    I do not doubt that being child free has its positive points. And I try not to rub it in for people who made that choice. I totally respect that.

    But personally being child free for 41 years and then having them the last 14 years I can attest that the positive outweighs the negative by a country mile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I was in several long term relationships but never had kids. I don't miss it other than perhaps the carrying on of the family name. My sister never did either so pretty much that's the end of our bloodline.

    So, if you did have kids, what were the things you think you sacrificed in life and how do you think it would have gone without them.

    If not, do you regret not having them now or are you still exhilarated about being child free?
    It's impossible to describe what having a child is like to someone who has never had one. It's like trying to describe color to a lifelong blind person.

    Until the day my son was born, I didn't have any feelings for kids at all. To me, they were minor interruptions. Only occasionally did I find one interesting.

    The day Steve was born, that all got flipped around. Every parent knows what I mean.

    A strange conversation I've had with my son a few times is the difference between the love he feels for me, and the love a parent has for their child. I told him someday he might understand. Maybe he will.

    I think the love a parent has is instinctual. I don't think we have a choice.

    Now that I've said all that, passing on the family name...family history...where we come from...legacy...bloodlines...none of that matters to me at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      It's impossible to describe what having a child is like to someone who has never had one. It's like trying to describe color to a lifelong blind person.

      Until the day my son was born, I didn't have any feelings for kids at all. To me, they were minor interruptions. Only occasionally did I find one interesting.

      The day Steve was born, that all got flipped around. Every parent knows what I mean.

      A strange conversation I've had with my son a few times is the difference between the love he feels for me, and the love a parent has for their child. I told him someday he might understand. Maybe he will.

      I think the love a parent has is instinctual. I don't think we have a choice.

      Now that I've said all that, passing on the family name...family history...where we come from...legacy...bloodlines...none of that matters to me at all.
      Curious, you have a son named Steve. Did you think about having his name as Claude Jr???
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Curious, you have a son named Steve. Did you think about having his name as Claude Jr???
        He did name him Claude Jr, but his son changed his name on his 18th birthday. Wouldn't you?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      It's impossible to describe what having a child is like to someone who has never had one. It's like trying to describe color to a lifelong blind person.

      Until the day my son was born, I didn't have any feelings for kids at all. To me, they were minor interruptions. Only occasionally did I find one interesting.

      The day Steve was born, that all got flipped around. Every parent knows what I mean.

      A strange conversation I've had with my son a few times is the difference between the love he feels for me, and the love a parent has for their child. I told him someday he might understand. Maybe he will.

      I think the love a parent has is instinctual. I don't think we have a choice.

      Now that I've said all that, passing on the family name...family history...where we come from...legacy...bloodlines...none of that matters to me at all.
      But it's really frightening for the rest of us.

      How would your life be different if he had never come along though?
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        But it's really frightening for the rest of us.

        How would your life be different if he had never come along though?
        I know this sounds bad and rightfully so ... but I would feel overall less fulfilled in my Life without kids tbh
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        • Profile picture of the author RMRC
          This doesn't sound bad, it sounds like what any loving parent would think. I don't have kids, but knowing kids are loved and appreciated and creating fulfillment in the lives of their parents is a beautiful thing
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        But it's really frightening for the rest of us.

        How would your life be different if he had never come along though?
        That's an interesting question.

        I assume I would feel differently about other people's children.

        To be completely frank, Having a child didn't fill any gaps I had in my life. In fact, I didn't want children until the day he was born. I was an absent father for all but his first two years. I'm sure that made a huge difference in how we both felt.

        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Curious, you have a son named Steve. Did you think about having his name as Claude Jr???
        My Dad's name is Claude. Having a name like Claude, as a kid, is no picnic.

        My middle name is Steven, so he was named after me, in a way.

        I went by Steve until I was about 40. But I had to sign everything as Claude, so I decided to just go by my first name. And....it's a kind of way to remember my Dad.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          That's an interesting question.

          I assume I would feel differently about other people's children.

          To be completely frank, Having a child didn't fill any gaps I had in my life. In fact, I didn't want children until the day he was born. I was an absent father for all but his first two years. I'm sure that made a huge difference in how we both felt.



          My Dad's name is Claude. Having a name like Claude, as a kid, is no picnic.

          My middle name is Steven, so he was named after me, in a way.

          I went by Steve until I was about 40. But I had to sign everything as Claude, so I decided to just go by my first name. And....it's a kind of way to remember my Dad.
          So you went by Steve up to 40. So your second (current) wife must have been calling you that initially. And then you reverted to your real first name so she had to change what she called you?

          I can't conceive of you being anything else but "Claude" Steve just does not suit you. But of course, if I had come on this forum to find a Steve Whitacre then I would have never have thought anything of it.

          Do I vaguely remember a Stan Riffle on this forum? No, just my imagination
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            So you went by Steve up to 40. So your second (current) wife must have been calling you that initially. And then you reverted to your real first name so she had to change what she called you?
            Yeah, it took years before her family, and Cheryl, was used to it.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              I could just hear it now when your Mom got upset with you as a youngster, "Claude Steven Whitacre"
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              • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                I could just hear it now when your Mom got upset with you as a youngster, "Claude Steven Whitaker"
                It sounds like a name from a random name generator. I can just picture the names spinning on separate bars like a slot machine. You just know that result didn't pay.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  It sounds like a name from a random name generator. I can just picture the names spinning on separate bars like a slot machine. You just know that result didn't pay.
                  Pretty sure l saw that on Survivor?
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Yeah, it took years before her family, and Cheryl, was used to it.
              At least when you did that there wasn't yet a Mandela effect for people to describe what happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I was in several long term relationships but never had kids. I don't miss it other than perhaps the carrying on of the family name. My sister never did either so pretty much that's the end of our bloodline.

    So, if you did have kids, what were the things you think you sacrificed in life and how do you think it would have gone without them.

    If not, do you regret not having them now or are you still exhilarated about being child free?
    No, l am the same as Claude or don't really care about the family name continuing since if you are gone who cares.

    About the only plus would be them standing around your death bed, but yet again you cannot take them with you so we get back to who cares.

    Meeting the right person, creating wealth, enjoying the wealth and using the wealth for my entertainment and the betterment of others is higher up on my list.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      No, l am the same as Claude or don't really care about the family name continuing since if you are gone who cares.

      About the only plus would be them standing around your death bed, but yet again you cannot take them with you so we get back to who cares.

      Meeting the right person, creating wealth, enjoying the wealth and using the wealth for my entertainment and the betterment of others is higher up on my list.
      Curious Shane and no reason in particular but just was wondering your age ??
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Curious Shane and no reason in particular but just was wondering your age ??
        Hmmm, 55 and l can feel a bait hook dangling.

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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Hmmm, 55 and l can feel a bait hook dangling.

          Welcome to the club
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Hmmm, 55 and l can feel a bait hook dangling.

          Welcome to the club

          What month is your b-day ??
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Welcome to the club

            What month is your b-day ??
            December, and no l ain't giving my day.

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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              October so iam 2 months older
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I know this sounds bad and rightfully so ... but I would feel overall less fulfilled in my Life without kids tbh

    It doesn't sound bad to me. My life would have been easier, wealthier, etc without two sons....but not nearly as fulfilling or as much fun as it has been with them.


    I don't think you can explain to someone without children what it means to have them....but then i don't think everyone needs to have children to have a good life.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      or as much fun as it has been with them.
      Yes, yes !! With my two daughters I have been able to relive my childhood with things like pigging out at McDonald's and watching Despicable Me
      to no ends while eating loads and loads of milk duds and skittles
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Yes, yes !! With my two daughters I have been able to relive my childhood with things like pigging out at McDonald's and watching Despicable Me
        to no ends while eating loads and loads of milk duds and skittles
        As I suspected. "Look kids, I know you have never heard of Donald Duck or Micky Mouse, but they are going to be on a big boat and you "are" going to meet them. Capisce"
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I was in several long term relationships but never had kids. I don't miss it other than perhaps the carrying on of the family name. My sister never did either so pretty much that's the end of our bloodline.

    So, if you did have kids, what were the things you think you sacrificed in life and how do you think it would have gone without them.

    If not, do you regret not having them now or are you still exhilarated about being child free?
    When I am able to live outside the country I will probably end up in a relationship where children naturally happen. I can't afford children in the USA so I never took the risk.

    I want a traditional woman who wants to be a wife and a mother and has a big family that gets along most of the time.

    A traditional woman who is not looking for the ideal perfect man . But a man she can mold into her man.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    October so iam 2 months older
    Then being my elder l need to show you some respect,....hmm.
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  • As I undahstand the deal, I gaht 3 optshwaahns regardin' parenthood:

    1) Convention sucks sum stoopid Prince from outta the ethah, an' all my fyootyoore days are extinctified by perpetyool servitood.



    Like Joan of Arc said: "you gonna be oppressed, better to do it PROPERLY."

    2) I mix shit up in a Harry & Meghan capacity an run off with a violinist.

    3) Obsessive intrest in iguanah matin' calls compels me to denounce my Princesshood entirely an' romp out with the reptiles on a distant island ain't even gaht no name.

    Guy with a scythe shows enda each month askin' me if'n I made my mind up yet.

    Call me psychic, but I believe he is the kind don't have kids hisself.
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  • Gotta figure middle names are a source of solace for many.

    Mine is an ABOMINAYSCHWAAHN.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Aside from the things already said about children, one thing they do is keep you thinking. I'm surprised by the things I find myself Googling. Case in point, after a tense debate with my son, I found myself searching "would Donkey Kong beat the Hulk."

    We've also discussed if the Avengers could defeat Father Time or if Captain American could beat infinite sadness (that was a strange discussion). My son is really into the "could X beat Y" phase of boyhood but he typically looks at it through a different lens. I usually learn something myself from our discussions.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Aside from the things already said about children, one thing they do is keep you thinking. I'm surprised by the things I find myself Googling. Case in point, after a tense debate with my son, I found myself searching "would Donkey Kong beat the Hulk."

      We've also discussed if the Avengers could defeat Father Time or if Captain American could beat infinite sadness (that was a strange discussion). My son is really into the "could X beat Y" phase of boyhood but he typically looks at it through a different lens. I usually learn something myself from our discussions.
      How old is your son, now?? Seems like yesterday when you posted his birth pic here ( or Spartan forums, can't remember)
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        How old is your son, now?? Seems like yesterday when you posted his birth pic here ( or Spartan forums, can't remember)
        It was posted here. He just turned seven last week.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    My earliest two goals in life were to find a good woman and to have kids. I am the oldest of six and we were pretty close together timewise and both parents worked outside the home, so I learned a lot of responsibility taking care of my brothers and sisters. Everything from changing diapers to cooking to cleaning to trying to make sure they didn't burn down the place.

    Unfortunately, though, having biological children is not part of my life story. We tried but had health issues that prevented it. I've always regretted this and wondered what I did wrong to not have this blessing in my life.

    Now, I am a stepparent to three and they bring me a lot of joy. Two out of three accept me as another father and they typically call me first to get life advice. So, even though they aren't biological, I have been blessed to get a small taste of the pie.

    The regret and feeling down about this is one of those lifelong things that I'm not sure will ever go away. Now, I have "accepted" my destiny and love being a stepfather (even though there are challenges with blended families). This has helped me to "accept" what life dealt me and to move forward with my life in a positive manner.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Mark, I feel you my man. For a long time I thought I was going to be unable to have kids as I had Mumps when I was 19 years old. Fortunately , I was able to as the mumps did not make me sterile as they originally thought it might.

      But I can honestly see that you have been a "father" to those step kids of yours. Your probably more of a Father than many, many so called "biological" fathers are in this World.
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    A difficult question, I have a child, on the one hand I am glad, but on the other hand it is the hardest job in life to bring up a child.
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