Ever Lost A Long Term Friend?

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I just have. Known him from first school, started hanging out when we were 17, shared places together. You get the idea. He's now married, grown kids, lives in the UK. I'm in the US. The last time I saw him was in 2017 when him and his wife came over to stay with me and my now ex.

Ever since then, all email, but regular. Well due to an altercation via email, which would fill a Reddit post. We both had harsh words and are done. Sad, but no coming back from this.

While being angry, I'm also a bit sad and mourning the loss. But people change, attitudes change, it's a fact of life. I thought we would be waving one or the other off into the grave one day, and that's not going to happen.

So, have you had any long term friendships that you thought were unflappable and somehow ceased. Perhaps friendships are generally only applicable to various time periods of your life. But some, like this one, lasted a very long time. How did you react?
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I just have. Known him from first school, started hanging out when we were 17, shared places together. You get the idea. He's now married, grown kids, lives in the UK. I'm in the US. The last time I saw him was in 2017 when him and his wife came over to stay with me and my now ex.

    Ever since then, all email, but regular. Well due to an altercation via email, which would fill a Reddit post. We both had harsh words and are done. Sad, but no coming back from this.

    While being angry, I'm also a bit sad and mourning the loss. But people change, attitudes change, it's a fact of life. I thought we would be waving one of the other off into the grave one day, and that's not going to happen.

    So, have you had any long term friendships that you thought were unflappable and somehow ceased. Perhaps friendships are generally only applicable to various time periods of your life. But some, like this one, lasted a very long time. How did you react?
    Do you think you could apologize and ask forgiveness?

    Sometimes when you think a friendship is over it's because one of you are too hard headed to admit you're wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Do you think you could apologize and ask forgiveness?

      Sometimes when you think a friendship is over it's because one of you are too hard headed to admit you're wrong.
      I was waiting (fruitlessly) for his apology actually as he did something that angered me, he obviously saw it as no big deal and just doubled down on me sounding him out for it. It escalated from there.

      It was a big deal for me. When you are younger you can brush disagreements and different values/opinions off as the good far outweighs the bad. But, as we turn into cantankerous old men, the above becomes more entrenched in each of you and the fact we were no longer in the sharing our life together always erodes friendships. The dynamic changes. Still does nothing to stop me mourning it, like losing a loved one.
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      • Profile picture of the author max5ty
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        I was waiting (fruitlessly) for his apology actually as he did something that angered me, he obviously saw it as no big deal and just doubled down on me sounding him out for it. It escalated from there.

        It was a big deal for me. When you are younger you can brush disagreements and different values/opinions off as the good far outweighs the bad. But, as we turn into cantankerous old men, the above becomes more entrenched in each of you and the fact we were no longer in the sharing our life together always erodes friendships. The dynamic changes. Still does nothing to stop me mourning it, like losing a loved one.
        There really are times you have to be the one that apologizes...

        even if they're wrong.

        About a year ago I had a woman come into one of my restaurants in Toledo and claim the server spilled hot soup on her shoulder and arm...

        the server did, after looking at the videos...

        but, I didn't think it caused the distress this woman was claiming.

        So, even though I knew she was Bull Shi^^ing, my insurance ended up paying 14K for her damages.

        I learned a long time ago in business...and personal life...you always come out ahead when you take the high ground.

        Sometimes it absolutely almost drives you crazy to give in...but you have to ask yourself if the friendship is worth saving...and realize with the proper moves you get further ahead.

        What you usually find out is when you apologize the other person always changes their attitude.

        I don't think your friendship is over unless you want it to be.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          There really are times you have to be the one that apologizes...

          even if they're wrong.

          About a year ago I had a woman come into one of my restaurants in Toledo and claim the server spilled hot soup on her shoulder and arm...

          the server did, after looking at the videos...

          but, I didn't think it caused the distress this woman was claiming.

          So, even though I knew she was Bull Shi^^ing, my insurance ended up paying 14K for her damages.

          I learned a long time ago in business...and personal life...you always come out ahead when you take the high ground.

          Sometimes it absolutely almost drives you crazy to give in...but you have to ask yourself if the friendship is worth saving...and realize with the proper moves you get further ahead.

          What you usually find out is when you apologize the other person always changes their attitude.

          I don't think your friendship is over unless you want it to be.
          Wow, that woman certainly got a free lunch then. And some. What was the name and location of that resturant, a friend wants to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Perhaps friendships are generally only applicable to various time periods of your life. But some, like this one, lasted a very long time.
    The philosopher George Santayana said: "Friendship is almost always the union of a part of one mind with the part of another; people are friends in spots."

    I don't expect a friend to match my every thought or opinion. Sharing a particular interest or viewpoint or an experience in common is often enough. But also, as you say, people change - or don't change - and you find you just drift apart.

    I guess you have to weigh up the pros and cons of how ending this friendship makes you feel and maybe re-evaluate what it was that kept it going for so long.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      The philosopher George Santayana said: "Friendship is almost always the union of a part of one mind with the part of another; people are friends in spots."

      I don't expect a friend to match my every thought or opinion. Sharing a particular interest or viewpoint or an experience in common is often enough. But also, as you say, people change - or don't change - and you find you just drift apart.

      I guess you have to weigh up the pros and cons of how ending this friendship makes you feel and maybe re-evaluate what it was that kept it going for so long.
      Yes, good question, what kept it going for so long. Looking back on that I realize that their were some eggshells to walk around with him. But I was the peacekeeper and generally stayed away from topics I like to talk about that he did not. We still had plenty to talk about mind and shared the same humor.

      But, what do you guys and girls have to share on this. Would like to hear some more of your own personal stories/experiences?
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Yes I have really lost the most valued of friends who I have known since I was 6 years old. Long story short it had to do with politics and a certain polarizing figure in that arena
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Yes I have really lost the most valued of friends who I have known since I was 6 years old. Long story short it had to do with politics and a certain polarizing figure in that arena
          So when this happened, despite any anger, did you go though a brief or longer mourning period, feeling a little sadness.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            So when this happened, despite any anger, did you go though a brief or longer mourning period, feeling a little sadness.
            Absolutely!! I still feel real sad. It's just hard to believe that one person can have this effect on friendships and relatiobships
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    I just have. Known him from first school, started hanging out when we were 17, shared places together. You get the idea. He's now married, grown kids, lives in the UK. I'm in the US. The last time I saw him was in 2017 when him and his wife came over to stay with me and my now ex.

    Ever since then, all email, but regular. Well due to an altercation via email, which would fill a Reddit post. We both had harsh words and are done. Sad, but no coming back from this.

    While being angry, I'm also a bit sad and mourning the loss. But people change, attitudes change, it's a fact of life. I thought we would be waving one or the other off into the grave one day, and that's not going to happen.

    So, have you had any long term friendships that you thought were unflappable and somehow ceased. Perhaps friendships are generally only applicable to various time periods of your life. But some, like this one, lasted a very long time. How did you react?

    Friends may come,

    And friends may go,

    But forum posts,

    And emailed insults,

    They last forever.

    And ever.

    Stop being a grump,

    Arguing about nothing,

    And you won't have

    These problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    You are old and only talk through email when it's almost free to video or voice chat with people today.and you are far more into tech stuff than I am.

    If it's not important enough that you actually talk with each other.then it's not that important .

    No apologies just try to talk to each other in real time
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I still feel real sad. It's just hard to believe that one person can have this effect on friendships and relatiobships

    But that's not what happened. Talking politics with friends is risky and useless. Telling friends they are 'wrong' takes it off the rails. This was on you and your friend....don't put the blame on another person who doesn't know either one of you.



    I remember my uncles talking politics years and years ago. They compared candidates and would say 'what do you think about' - and then would at times disagree. However, they respected the opinion of their brothers - there were no diatribes or party lines. They could agree to disagree on some things without demanding they were 'right' or the other person was 'wrong'. Doesn't seem possible today.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      But that's not what happened. Talking politics with friends is risky and useless. Telling friends they are 'wrong' takes it off the rails. This was on you and your friend....don't put the blame on another person who doesn't know either one of you.



      I remember my uncles talking politics years and years ago. They compared candidates and would say 'what do you think about' - and then would at times disagree. However, they respected the opinion of their brothers - there were no diatribes or party lines. They could agree to disagree on some things without demanding they were 'right' or the other person was 'wrong'. Doesn't seem possible today.
      What do you mean it's on me ??
      You might be less presumptuous in future discussion and don't assume things that you know little about.

      The fact is I highly respect his opinion and I have actually applauded him for having conviction. But the problem is he does not respect my opinion and tries to tell me how wrong iam and tries to convince me that I literally have to go with his beliefs and iam not a good human if I don't.

      It's insanity, really. I have mentioned over and over again to drop the talks of politics and agree to disagree. And talk about what made us friends to begin with I.e our passion for drums, sports, outdoors etc..etc..But he won't have any of that.

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        The fact is I highly respect his opinion and I have actually applauded him for having conviction. But the problem is he does not respect my opinion and tries to tell me how wrong iam and tries to convince me that I literally have to go with his beliefs and iam not a good human if I don't.
        In this country (and maybe others), there are now two realities. I mean two separate views on what's happening in the world.

        What reality you live in is determined by what group you listen to.

        Both sides not only believe that they are right, but that the other side is evil. This idea is great for political fundraising, but really bad for getting along with neighbors.

        And we all believe that we are the good guys.

        Humans.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    This topic is so hilarious.

    I am an etiquette person, I have actually read several
    etiquette books over the years, and have referred to
    them if I had a situation. Letitia Baldrige and others.

    It has long been an etiquette rule that you don't ever
    discuss politics, especially during dinner.

    My husband and I were like-minded and agreed
    on 98% of issues including politics.

    One day, we were in the middle of a restaurant, our
    nearby Applebee's, where we loved to eat baby back
    ribs, which I ate with a knife and fork in case you're
    wondering, I would never eat ribs with my hands.

    We were sitting there waiting for our appetizers and
    my husband blurts out, real loud:

    "So-and-so (major national figure) is an idiot!"

    I was mortified and told my husband to

    "Shhhh" but he just continued

    "Don't shush me, everybody knows the guy's an idiot!"

    OMG!

    I explained that it is bad manners to discuss politics
    during dinner and he finally stopped talking about it.

    The reason we aren't supposed to discuss this topic
    is because it is polarizing.

    As Kay said, you won't change anyone's mind.

    BTW, the idiot isn't anyone who would come to mind
    now because that incident happened years ago.

    Take my advice - if anyone brings up anything that
    might be considered political, just say that you don't
    discuss politics and leave it at that.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Monetize View Post


      Take my advice - if anyone brings up anything that
      might be considered political, just say that you don't
      discuss politics and leave it at that.
      I totally agree with this. My former best friend that I was talking about above has a psychology degree from Duke and a Masters in applied statistics from Tennessee. So he thinks that he can literally disprove how all my political views are "erroneous" and how his are the only views that a "moral" person can go with. He already knows my political views so iam open game for him.

      In our text thread I try to talk about our shared interest in music and sports but he is oblivious to that anymore. He just wants to talk politics and how I need to change.

      As said before, total insanity!!

      P.S. Kay is probably right. It's not really the political figure but the people (mainly my former best friend) involved who are to blame.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        My two brothers and I have a long going text thread. We talk EVERYDAY. And they are polar opposite in their political views of mine.

        But we are brothers and we agree to disagree even though they express their views very passionately on our text thread. I do too but we learned that we cannot change the other persons mind and it is futile to try
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I totally agree with this. My former best friend that I was talking about above has a psychology degree from Duke and a Masters in applied statistics from Tennessee. So he thinks that he can literally disprove how all my political views are "erroneous" and how his are the only views that a "moral" person can go with. He already knows my political views so iam open game for him.

        There may have been some gaslighting going on in that friendship.

        Things probably worked out for the best.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

          There may have been some gaslighting going on in that friendship.

          Things probably worked out for the best.
          People like Roberts friend have no idea how much long term damage they are doing to the credit or respect having degrees in any subject from ivy league schools is being done right now.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            You know it just occurred to me last night as I was participating in discussion in this thread of my friend. And that is he is truly a narciccisst . Everything including our childhood was always about him and his accomolishments and what he did.

            Everything !!

            I remember driving down the road years ago and he told me to pull over at this retail photography store. The reason was that he saw through the windows that they had his self portrait hanging near the front desk. The photographer was using his portrait as a sample of his work and he thought my friend was so good looking in that picture.

            My friend gloated over it and showed other people this picture.

            He was and is truly self absorbed
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            • Profile picture of the author Monetize
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              You know it just occurred to me last night as I was participating in discussion in this thread of my friend. And that is he is truly a narciccisst . Everything including our childhood was always about him and his accomolishments and what he did.

              Everything !!

              I remember driving down the road years ago and he told me to pull over at this retail photography store. The reason was that he saw through the windows that they had his self portrait hanging near the front desk. The photographer was using his portrait as a sample of his work and he thought my friend was so good looking in that picture.

              My friend gloated over it and showed other people this picture.

              He was and is truly self absorbed

              That's so crazy.

              I was going to mention that he was probably a narcissist
              but since I don't know him it would just be conjecture.

              Although narcissism and gaslighting go together like beans
              and rice, and it is best to get out of these situations as soon
              as you realize that you are being had.

              Sometimes, even if it is a childhood or life-long friend, or
              any other relationship, it is better to cut your losses and
              move on.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              You know it just occurred to me last night as I was participating in discussion in this thread of my friend. And that is he is truly a narciccisst . Everything including our childhood was always about him and his accomolishments and what he did.

              Everything !!

              I remember driving down the road years ago and he told me to pull over at this retail photography store. The reason was that he saw through the windows that they had his self portrait hanging near the front desk. The photographer was using his portrait as a sample of his work and he thought my friend was so good looking in that picture.

              My friend gloated over it and showed other people this picture.

              He was and is truly self absorbed
              How much rage did he Express to you when he discovered people who had less education and institutional pedigree made far more income and built much higher levels of wealth than him.

              It probably got under his skin how well you are doing making what you do" delivering food"
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              You know it just occurred to me last night as I was participating in discussion in this thread of my friend. And that is he is truly a narciccisst . Everything including our childhood was always about him and his accomolishments and what he did.

              Everything !!

              I remember driving down the road years ago and he told me to pull over at this retail photography store. The reason was that he saw through the windows that they had his self portrait hanging near the front desk. The photographer was using his portrait as a sample of his work and he thought my friend was so good looking in that picture.

              My friend gloated over it and showed other people this picture.

              He was and is truly self absorbed
              Thinking back about my friend he may have been that way, just a little, but more likely is that he was just a little perhaps, on the Autism spectrum, though highly functioning and intelligent, was a programmer. He would remember things from years ago and bring them up chastise me. He never forgot a slight. An example, walking around New Orleans, we saw a CSI episode being filmed. I voiced which one it was or said something about an actor who I thought was in it, not sure now, but sure he would remember, lol. Anyway, he corrected me and I said yeah, your right and apologized, said I'm wrong.

              When we got back to our accommodation, he kept bringing it up. Would not let it go. I said, look, I was wrong, I apologized for being wrong, can we just drop it, nope.

              He also had what I would call a slightly obsessional way of doing things. All this was not major, but there.
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                Thinking back about my friend

                He also had what I would call a slightly obsessional way of doing things. All this was not major, but there.
                Wow

                You put up with this for decades and so did discrat / Robert.

                What has changed in both of your personal egos. That pushed you too the point you are saying no no no I can't take this anymore.

                They are them and you are both seeming to realize how they have always been. Why are you just now after decades of being involved with them. Just now awakening or becoming aware of who they are.
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  Wow

                  You put up with this for decades and so did discrat / Robert.

                  What has changed in both of your personal egos. That pushed you too the point you are saying no no no I can't take this anymore.
                  I think, as with Discrat's friend, though much worse than mine, my friend ramped up his behavior. It became more pronounced. So us becoming cantankerous old men reduces our patience. You will eventually likely feel more like that. It's a factor of age.
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                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post


                  What has changed in both of your personal egos. That pushed you too the point you are saying no no no I can't take this anymore.

                  They are them and you are both seeming to realize how they have always been. Why are you just now after decades of being involved with them. Just now awakening or becoming aware of who they are.
                  I always chalked up to him being a little quirky. But I have noticed the political landscape lately really exacerbated his quirkiness to being just a plain jerk.

                  In the past it never proposed a problem because we had so much in common with our interests in life.

                  But anymore those interests are being deemed almost irrelevant anymore.

                  Does that make sense ??
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                    I always chalked up to him being a little quirky. But I have noticed the political landscape lately really exacerbated his quirkiness to being just a plain jerk.

                    In the past it never proposed a problem because we had so much in common with our interests in life.

                    But anymore those interests are being deemed almost irrelevant anymore.

                    Does that make sense ??
                    I understand and eventually many of the people doing what you're former friend is doing will find them isolated from a huge chunk of the rest of Americans who don't want to deal with it anymore no matter what degree they have. From what college.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    So, have you had any long term friendships that you thought were unflappable and somehow ceased. Perhaps friendships are generally only applicable to various time periods of your life. But some, like this one, lasted a very long time. How did you react?
    When I was a kid, I was friends with a boy a year older than I was. After high school, we lived together in a college dorm for a year or so. We were good friend from ages 10 to about 20. Eventually I moved too far away from him to see each other,

    When I was about 45, I saw him in a mall, and we started our friendship up again.

    He visited me at my store several times, and stayed at our home once for a few days.

    The problem was, He was basically the same 18 year old kid, even in middle age. and I wasn't.

    I had forgotten what it was like when we were teenagers. He was a year older, so I followed his lead, mostly. But he was mean to girls. I mean really mean. He had no idea how to treat them. And he committed petty crimes...and was caught a few times as a peeping tom.

    When I met him at the mall, he had no money, lived in a one room apartment, and lived by selling insurance and stealing. He still had never had a girl friend.

    He stole some money from a good friend of mine (when we were visiting his store. My friend was just tagging along). He got drunk in a bar when I was with him, and tried to start a fight, "Just to see me in action". I told him that if he ever started a fight when I was with him, I would stand there and watch them beat him to a pulp.

    He kept "borrowing" money from me, and then drinking it, or gambling it away.

    One day he stopped by the store and expected that he could move in with Cheryl and me "For a few days".

    I said "No" because Cheryl didn't like him, and I knew he was going to steal from us or worse. Later that day, I met him at a local bar, and gave him $100 for a hotel room (he was really drunk).

    Of course, after I left, he just spent it on drinks, and slept in his car. He called me the next morning, very angry that I left him the night before. Now...he didn't have the money to pay his rent....


    I had had enough. I said "Keep all the money I've given you, and never call me again". And he never did.

    A few years ago, I was thinking about him, and wondered if he ever amounted to anything. I was going to call him, so I looked up his name and the city he lived in.

    He committed suicide when he was 57. A few years after I dropped him.

    Weird. I didn't feel bad. I was just angry that he wasted his life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      A few years ago, I was thinking about him, and wondered if he ever amounted to anything. I was going to call him, so I looked up his name and the city he lived in.

      He committed suicide when he was 57. A few years after I dropped him.

      Weird. I didn't feel bad. I was just angry that he wasted his life.

      I am sorry that happened to you.

      I sometimes wonder why certain people can't ever seem to get
      their lives together.

      And I am sure that you did all you could to set a good example
      for your wayward friend.

      Some people just can't be helped no matter what you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    But the problem is he does not respect my opinion and tries to tell me how wrong iam and tries to convince me

    What I said was it is on you AND your friend....one or the other or both. I may have read your comment wrong but you seemed to be blaming a third party.



    Both people in a friendship have to be accepting of the other...if one fails to respect the right of a friend to have a differing opinion...the balance of friendship is quickly gone. Friends don't have to agree - they can loudly disagree but if they take it too far, they are no longer a friend.



    I've been known to walk out of a room more than once when people (on both sides of an issue) were trying to force me to give an opinion on a political issue. Yes, I have an opinion - No, it's not their business what my opinion is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It's a factor of age.

    ...and life experiences. We don't stay the same and sometimes the changes go in directions that mean we aren't as compatible as we were years ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      ...and life experiences. We don't stay the same and sometimes the changes go in directions that mean we aren't as compatible as we were years ago.
      Yeah true. I find myself less and less tolerable of knuckleheads in this World. i.e. people who make the same senseless mistakes over and over again and put their loved ones in jeopardy because of it !!!!
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    yeah I did, it was sad and maybe there was blame to go around.


    the best way to deal with such petty crises is to diss them on internet forums after the fact in front of relative strangers.


    take that long term friend! feel my righteous wrath while crazy cat ladies agree with me and not you!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      yeah I did, it was sad and maybe there was blame to go around.


      the best way to deal with such petty crises is to diss them on internet forums after the fact in front of relative strangers.


      take that long term friend! feel my wrath!
      You are only "Dissing" them if you mention their name....or if we know who it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post



      take that long term friend! feel my righteous wrath while crazy cat ladies agree with me and not you!!!!!
      Uhmm...what's crazy is somebody who is relegated in sitting anonymously behind a keyboard and making very unnecessary slights against people in this forum for no apparent reason other than to maybe feel self important!
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  • Profile picture of the author mattledistefano
    I had a friendship for 2 years, but it was so close that I was closer to this friend than to my childhood friend. It all ended at one point because of a petty quarrel. The next day I was moving to another city and we didn't communicate anymore.

    Now a year has passed. It seems to me that this is fate. As if with the move I closed all the cases I had to close. With this friend, we have different paths in life. Now I recall our friendship fondly, but I don't regret the end of our communication. And there is no need to regret at all. One thing comes, another goes. This is the essence of life.
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  • Profile picture of the author majikk
    hasn't happened to me.
    You should try to work it out, even if it seems impossible.
    I can understand that you had solid foundations in your friendship and I don't think that these kinds of relationships vanish so easily.
    Give your self some time to assess what you did wrong, and you maybe feel the need to communicate again
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      [QUOTE=majikk;11795934]Give your self some time to assess what you did wrong, and you maybe feel the need to communicate again[/QUOTE] Considering the original posters' friend is deceased, that would be a trick.
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  • Prahblem I gaht with muh bestie Amy is what happins when the Apocalypse drahps.

    We don punchy mittens.

    We don smoochie.

    We figure we ain't gaht a cloo.

    "So, you live an' I DON'T!"

    "The **** is that? You sayin' I responsible?"

    Ha ha -- so we argued our potesnshl destucktion out sooo many times.

    An' mostly it was bcs frickin' nuthin'.

    Tiny misundahstandings btween longtime serial huggahs.

    An' I would want this kinda livin' relayshnship always.

    Beautiful diffrence meets communal sameness no island would evah delivah.

    ("FFS, that is such a bunch of Sagittarian shit, you should be ashamed of yourself!!!")

    Aw, yeah -- but then we adventyoore out on mortal brutality an' speculayschwaahn togehtah.

    An' we ain't killed neithah of us yet.

    So, yeah, mebbe the Apocalypse always been imminent.

    But you gotta figure it made with less sneaksy terms.

    "So: I am sharing a disenfranchised hellhole with YOU, simply because we go way back beyond when we lit our own farts together on your godamn birthday!"

    "Aries bitch!"

    "Sajjo cunnyhole!"

    Moral of the story?

    Dialog roolz.

    In life, in aftahlife, plus also presumption.
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