Which is Better Manual or Automatic Transmission

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I got finance for a Mazda 3 with semiauto transmission and after test driving it found it revs up quite a lot before moving from 3rd to 4th gear.

I know small cars do this so you can overtake safely but are there any workarounds?

The Mazda dealer tends to think just put it into 5th gear before driving somewhere, and obviously do it again if l need to stop for something.

This issue isn't as obvious or loud in bigger cars, which unfortunately use more fuel, (am renting a V6) but l really don't like big cars.

I am probably being picky since it is a lot of money and know after having driven a manual small car for the last 37 years, having a newer car which changes most of the gears for me where l only have to nudge the gear stick down occasionally probably isn't an issue.

It does change gears by itself but revs up loudly beforehand, (goes into fourth gear around the 83km mark).

But anyway l thought l should get a second or more opinions first.

Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    They do not make an Automatic or a Stick instead. What you are describing sounds like a Paddle Shift is that correct? I prefer one or the other above, not what you are describing. I don't want anything revving high before shifting. Unless I'm racing someone.

    On another note, Mazdas costs more here in the US including replacement parts. Hondas and Toyotas are more popular and easier to fix. Even Hyundais and Kias have become more popular than Mazdas. Disclaimer I have a friend whose wife had a serious issue back 10 years ago with a Mazda.
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  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Always used automatic transmission cars. In the US they are pretty much the rule, manual shift is the exception.

    When they first came out in the 70's some deemed them unreliable, that could be partially true compared with the ones today. Plus, people were used to and clinging on to gear shift.

    But now, automatics are superb. You don't even have to think about it. The cars are responsive to road conditions and your needs to speed up etc.

    The only thing, and this happened to my father who had used manuals all his life and got an automatic. You have to get used to only two pedals, brake and accelerate and not to keep reaching down to change gear. It's now just drive position, reverse, neutral and park. No touching except when you are starting or ending your journey. Will take a bit of getting used too. Best to go for a spin in one, see how you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

    They do not make an Automatic or a Stick instead. What you are describing sounds like a Paddle Shift is that correct? I prefer one or the other above, not what you are describing. I don't want anything revving high before shifting. Unless I'm racing someone.

    On another note, Mazdas costs more here in the US including replacement parts. Hondas and Toyotas are more popular and easier to fix. Even Hyundais and Kias have become more popular than Mazdas. Disclaimer I have a friend whose wife had a serious issue back 10 years ago with a Mazda.


    Best image l could find, and you put it into Drive then just nudge it down when the rev's get too high.

    KAIS are popular here also, (Nissan sell them) even thought the engines are crap, which probably explains the 10 year warranty.

    Toyota Corollas and other small cars all pretty much look the same, but the Mazda 3 and Toyota Corollas amongst others where voted the most reliable cars in Australia.

    But l am staying with Mazda since reversing is easy, (practically all of the rest have poor visibility out the back window).

    Your friend having a serious issue 10 years ago is valid M3 2010-14 had serious problems the transmission being one.

    The one l am looking at is 2009.

    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

    Always used automatic transmission cars. In the US they are pretty much the rule, manual shift is the exception.

    When they first came out in the 70's some deemed them unreliable, that could be partially true compared with the ones today. Plus, people were used to and clinging on to gear shift.

    But now, automatics are superb. You don't even have to think about it. The cars are responsive to road conditions and your needs to speed up etc.

    The only thing, and this happened to my father who had used manuals all his life and got an automatic. You have to get used to only two pedals, brake and accelerate and not to keep reaching down to change gear. It's now just drive position, reverse, neutral and park. No touching except when you are starting or ending your journey. Will take a bit of getting used too. Best to go for a spin in one, see how you like.
    Been researching M3 transmissions and apparently a Mazda 3 2023 onwards only come in semi-auto's. And before then only a small percentage wanted them.

    M3 semi auto trans are, (like their engines) are very reliable so it is unheard off that l would need to overhaul it, (big cost) and if l got an manual it would actually affect the resell price.

    All small cars these days have the same issue especially the ones under 2litre, and being smaller with less insulation it is louder.

    Already test drove a mazda 2 which was manual and also had some engine off crap every time it stopped and a reverse gear near first so one day if l was tired and put it in that instead of first l would reverse into the poor sucker behind me,...pass.

    I am currently renting out a Toyota Corolla 6v, auto, and l have tried to change gears now and then on that and also test driven the M3 and great little car which has everything going for it except that.

    Previous owner treated it well and keep it running during Covid, even though they lagged with the servicing during that time.

    Been over it with a magnifying glass with no red flags anywhere, (all doors close well no signs of botchy repair work, etc).

    I guess it all boils down to a big car without this issue, which l will probably regret in time, or a smaller car where l have to change a gear occasionally.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Issue solved test drove it again today this time with a tech, guy beside me and he showed me that it was in turbo mode or rev, the crap out of it when doing 80, (which is mainly for show and going up a hill with a heavy load).

    But normal mode it acts like a normal automatic, phew what a relief.

    Problem solved thanks guys.

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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      drove it again today....

      ... normal mode it acts like a normal automatic, phew what a relief.

      Problem solved thanks guys.

      Sounds like you have a good car. Regular normal servicing you will get a long life from it.

      Good Luck with your purchase!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nehakakar1
    Glad to hear the issue is sorted. Turbo mode can definitely make things feel different. It's good that normal mode works like a regular automatic.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    I got finance for a Mazda 3 with semiauto transmission and after test driving it found it revs up quite a lot before moving from 3rd to 4th gear.

    I know small cars do this so you can overtake safely but are there any workarounds?

    The Mazda dealer tends to think just put it into 5th gear before driving somewhere, and obviously do it again if l need to stop for something.

    This issue isn't as obvious or loud in bigger cars, which unfortunately use more fuel, (am renting a V6) but l really don't like big cars.

    I am probably being picky since it is a lot of money and know after having driven a manual small car for the last 37 years, having a newer car which changes most of the gears for me where l only have to nudge the gear stick down occasionally probably isn't an issue.

    It does change gears by itself but revs up loudly beforehand, (goes into fourth gear around the 83km mark).

    But anyway l thought l should get a second or more opinions first.

    Thanks in advance.
    I've got a 2019 Mazda cx 3. Absolutely love it with its automatic transmission
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      I've got a 2019 Mazda cx 3. Absolutely love it with its automatic transmission
      Took a look at it, nice.

      I will be picking my one up tomorrow, (2009 Mazda 3 Maxx Sport BL Series 1) and l am starting to fall in love with it.

      Shed a tear yesterday when l had to trade in my Nissan Pulsar GX 1988, which l have driven for 37 years, but it cannot be repaired anymore since the diagnostic workstation is also from the 80's, and it is a single cam so it has no regulation with the air intake which means they are guessing which means more flooding on a main road and some nice people pushing the car off the road and waiting for a tow truck.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      I've got a 2019 Mazda cx 3. Absolutely love it with its automatic transmission
      Geesh these things are powerful drove it away from Mazda today, (2lt) and it skipped across the road then spun its wheels more than once at the lights when it was raining.

      Could have been the anti-brake locking but because of the light touch accelerator hard to keep the speed down.

      I will try to put it into second gear before leaving next time, do you get used to it or is there some trick to bolting up the horses in first?
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    When I own cars they are automatic transmissions. Otherwise I don't care about the engine in the vehicle or the transition. I care if the driver knows where we are going and gets there safely.

    But then again I grew up and use to drive in Massachusetts in the Boston area. Where you turn your blinker on after you cut someone off.
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  • Nevah let a gal advise on Manual vs Automatic Transmission.

    It is a surefire path to stained garments ... or inevitabyool disappointment.
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  • Automatic or senseless, you jus' gotta pull on the lever, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author WF- Enzo
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    Learned driving with a manual. I prefer the full control of a manual, however, an auto does have benefits in the horrendous Manila trafifc.
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    • Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

      I prefer the full control of a manual
      Tell me more, Sweetiepoppet.

      Thing is, the more you gaht hands on stuff, the bettah you can feel the fyootyoore flow.

      This livin' pulse won't course this way forevah.

      Bcs bombs gonna kill us,

      Bleefs gonna smite us out,

      An' AI gonna steal alla botha these schlops inta oblivion.

      My POV?

      Dirty, tangible & troo?

      Sears openin' all horizons inta view?

      Beacons alit before clue?


      (btw ENZO, don't wanna takeya outta context, if'n that is naht too smutty an offah to make evah in parentheses.)

      What is it we all DO, zackly?

      Hands on squirtsies?

      Or brains blitzed to air?

      No doubt the best automatic touchpoints we gaht gonna smoochie on out with more transmissherbly dim ansas than Moi.

      Ha! Naht that ima around to release nowan from outta the slurry forevah!

      Milk Moi while you gaht Moi.

      (I believe it is in the spirit of the OP's refelectshwaahs to exalt the manyool ovah resta stuffs in the way I done. Ain't tryin' here to crack out downhome smut less'n it a metaphor for evrywan's eventyool success. That is why I here steada ovah at the Farrier Boredom forum. Tellya, mosta them losahs cain't evin shoe up, let alone speak. You would wanna ask yusself at this point: what is gowin' on?.)
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Originally Posted by WF- Enzo View Post

    Learned driving with a manual. I prefer the full control of a manual, however, an auto does have benefits in the horrendous Manila trafifc.
    Originally Posted by LolWizLi View Post

    The choice between manual and automatic transmission ultimately depends on personal preference, driving style, and specific driving needs.
    If you value control and engagement while driving, and enjoy the mechanics of shifting gears, a manual transmission might be better for you.
    If you prefer convenience and ease of use, especially in urban environments, an automatic transmission may be the way to go.
    Gave it a long drive today and slowly warming up to it more and more.

    Driving my old manual to Greensborough from Ringwood, (30km or about 40 minutes) meant that my right leg was hurting quite a lot and it was a relief to pull into the shopping center carpark. This semi-auto my leg got a bit sore which may be less so with careful management of the cruise control, not accelerating down hills and such.

    I also tried the semi-auto today which is like a manual but without the clutch, and apart from it being tight to gear shift it down, (seat kept getting in the way) it works pretty well.

    I can see why Mazda does not make manuals since last year as the semi-auto is easier to use.



    And as you have both said stop start traffic kills you in a manual.

    At the moment l am more concerned with getting rid of the flashing red light and beeping sound when you take your seatbelt off, (l prefer to take it off when reversing).

    I know about the 20 in and out seatbelt trick but you have to do it every-time you drive and the cutting the belt sensor, (which l don't want to do).

    Most likely buy an extra buckle online and shove that in when l want some peace.

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  • Profile picture of the author Wild Man
    Auto or manual mostly depends on the intended use. Coming out of the woods with a heavy load of wood is easier on the vehicle with a manual. Driving in metro traffic is much easier with an automatic.

    Also, the older I get, the more I appreciate autos.

    I have an "89" Mazda B2000 pickup. The running gear outlasted the body. With nearly 400,000 miles it still started every time and ran great but you could literally put your feet through the floor board.

    I retired it to the back field and for about a year we used it as a "go kart" until my cousin rolled it and finnally killed it. It's still where he walked away from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Wild Man View Post

      Auto or manual mostly depends on the intended use. Coming out of the woods with a heavy load of wood is easier on the vehicle with a manual. Driving in metro traffic is much easier with an automatic.

      Also, the older I get, the more I appreciate autos.

      I have an "89" Mazda B2000 pickup. The running gear outlasted the body. With nearly 400,000 miles it still started every time and ran great but you could literally put your feet through the floor board.

      I retired it to the back field and for about a year we used it as a "go kart" until my cousin rolled it and finnally killed it. It's still where he walked away from it.
      Yes, l can get a towbar put on it but am not really thinking about that with a $1200 price tag.

      And my Mazda 3 has a semi auto so l can have a manual without the clutch if l need more power.
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    Automatic is the life saver
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Aqsa Aziz View Post

      Automatic is the life saver
      Yes got my car report back today showing if anything was wrong with it or not, and found that it had been in an accident or the side got dented from one end to the other which probably smashed one or more of the lights as well.

      With the panel beaters having to spray paint most of the car since matching opal white is next to impossible.

      I didn't spot it but they did so, but it is only cosmetic or may affect the resell price only, mechanically and electrically it is in perfect condition.

      And the low km's is a big cudo so one against the other.

      So l took a chance, (low service time frame during Covid) but it thankfully paid off.

      Good to see that one area of my life has had a happy ending let's hope that it continues.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by themadrastiffins View Post

      Pros:
      - Provides greater control over the vehicle, which some drivers prefer for a more engaging driving experience.
      - Typically offers better fuel efficiency, especially in older models.
      - Manual vehicles are often less expensive to buy and repair due to the simpler design.

      Cons:
      - Requires more effort, particularly in heavy traffic, since you need to constantly shift gears.
      - Learning to drive a manual car can be challenging for beginners.
      Yes l remember being in bumper to bumper traffic for a while and felt like my right leg went through a blender

      And am seeing a 20 - 30% reduction in how often l have to fill up.

      And in the 80's when l went for my licence l tried it two times in a manual but kept stuffing it up so took it in an automatic with no problems.

      As for control l can relate to that it is a bit disconcerting to drive with cruise control on and having to brake when it wants to speed up, but l do have semi auto which Don mentioned was a paddle one.

      Or first up and the rest down. I loaded up the car today and drove up a hill to see how well the auto would handle it, and it handled it really well.

      I was expecting it to conk out and l would have to put it into turbo mode and gear down.

      I don't really expect it to cost more since Mazda auto transmissions are very reliable as it its engines, and the Nissan l used to own lasted me almost 40 years with the engine and manual trans, going strong, or it was only its age that let it down.
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