Is cheap tipping more than just bad manners...

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i have a theory so hear me out , but i believe really cheap tipping ( 5 or 10%) on really good service and a good meal goes farther than just bad manners and etiquette .

Nope, I truly believe many of these cheap tippers have low doses of general Empathy for their fellow man.

i think that most people who are generous are able to put themselves in the server's shoes and realize what it would be like if they or a family member were in that same position.

Scrooge-like tippers are unable to do this!!

Your thoughts ??
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    My experience is that some people are simply used to tipping small, or none at all...and some people are used to tipping generously.

    One thing that happened recently was that I bought lunch for a large family group.
    I assumed the bill would be a few hundred dollars, so I gave the sever a $50 bill as a tip. When I got the bill, they had already added $55 to the tab as a mandatory 15% tip.

    I felt kind of foolish. Now I'll see the bill before I tip. The service was good, but a $50 tip was about the most I would tip for 12 people being served.

    Personally, if I get a lunch on my own, I'll usually tip $5 (the meals are usually less than $20). Or I'll tip $10 if I'm with someone.

    I'm cheap. But I'm cheap in that I don't like going to expensive restaurants, not that I don't want to tip.

    By the way, it isn't a matter of empathy with me. It's a matter of how good the service was. If the food isn't great, but the service is great, I'll still tip my usual amount. I can't remember ever leaving no tip.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      thanks Claude.

      yeah for many years now i have given 20% for mediocre but adequate service , 25% for very good service , and 30% for excellent service.

      fwiw, if i find out you are a 5% tipper at a very nice restaurant with service that is top notch and the best around with superlative food ...well i would have a tough time in wanting to associate with you.!! And iam serious about that!!!! Call me snooty or whatever you want but iam sticking with that mantra.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    It's interesting that in Asia, no one tips. I have never given a tip for anything, I don't think. It's not expected at all. I feel bad getting a haircut or whatever and still feel like I should tip, but they don't accept it. A $7 haircut is $7.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      It's interesting that in Asia, no one tips. I have never given a tip for anything, I don't think. It's not expected at all. I feel bad getting a haircut or whatever and still feel like I should tip, but they don't accept it. A $7 haircut is $7.

      Mark
      yes Mark i wouldn't hold you in any bad light because you are in a different society and customs are customs!

      I guess it is really a pet peeve of mine here in the States. Mainly spurred on by the fact my uncle and Dad were multi millionaires and would only tip 10% on really good service. And it just rubbed me the wrong way
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    I could be mistaken, however, growing up. I think the norm was 10% & 20% was the exception. When coffee was only 25 cents, and a breakfast was cheap, the tips were small. Society has changed, and the tipping culture here has gotten worse. I have given big tips and left almost nothing if the service was poor.

    As Claude mentioned, now tips are included on bills in some places. When I go for a haircut, the tipping options are on the screen when I pay with a card. The percentage options have changed over the past year. I tip usally 15 % for normal service and extra at the holidays. Especially since the chain is known for discount haircuts, and the business model is to get the person in and out. In some places, there's a tip jar when the person behind the counter only collects money.

    I no longer tip the Garbage man or recycling company because they sit in a heated or air-conditioned truck with an automatic lift. I tipped the mailman who came to the family business. Currently, at home, we have more than one mail carrier that services our street. The one mailman at my home was excellent; I gave him an iced cold water bottle when it was in the upper 90's with a high heat index, and would have given him a tip, but they changed his route, or he left the job.

    One thing in this country is that the minimum wage has to be raised in the states that refuse to compensate employees properly. NJ just went up to $15.92 an hour this year, while some states are at $7.25 an hour. How can anyone live on that?

    Kind of ranting away because Comcast yesterday billed $100.00 service call for issues in the neighborhood last month. They said it was free if there was no issue that I caused. The problem started when they were doing major upgrades in the area. Today theres a text on my phone to schedule a visit to send a tech for free to fix my service issue?

    I base tips on service at sit down resturants, not at fast food places. Coffee shops, it depends on how much the person is involved with the order. Pizza delivery, the driver gets cash, not a tip on the ordering App. Because someplaces divide the tips or the owner pockets the money. I would agree with 5 percent being cheap.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post


      As Claude mentioned, now tips are included on bills in some places. When I go for a haircut, the tipping options are on the screen when I pay with a card.

      I base tips on service at sit down resturants, not at fast food places. .
      yeah Don iam not gonna lie it is annoying where they gave tip interfaces with all the credit card machines including Subway and even some of the doctor offices i go to
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

      I could be mistaken, however, growing up. I think the norm was 10% & 20% was the exception. When coffee was only 25 cents, and a breakfast was cheap, the tips were small. Society has changed, and the tipping culture here has gotten worse. I have given big tips and left almost nothing if the service was poor.

      As Claude mentioned, now tips are included on bills in some places. When I go for a haircut, the tipping options are on the screen when I pay with a card. The percentage options have changed over the past year. I tip usually 15 % for normal service and extra at the holidays. Especially since the chain is known for discount haircuts, and the business model is to get the person in and out. In some places, there's a tip jar when the person behind the counter only collects money.
      The kid that mows my lawn and shovels the driveway charges me between $20-$30. I always give him $40, and tell him to keep the change.

      The lady that cleans my home does it very quickly. (about an hour), and only charges me $20. I always give her $40. A few days ago, she told me she had to raise here rates to $30 and hour. I told her that it was certainly worth $40, and I would still give her that.

      But now her tip isn't 50%, it's only 33%,

      My haircut is $15. I always give $20.

      To me it isn't about a percentage, it's what I think is fair above their normal expected job.

      But again, I never...never order a $40 meal.

      I was in Baltimore at a conference. A friend and I went to a really nice restaurant. I was thinking about a steak. But it was $69. I told him I wasn't going to pay that much for a meal, and he offered to pay for my meal.

      I said "No, I'm not cheap, I have the money. I just don't want to pay $69 for a steak".

      He looked at me and said "Claude, that's the definition of cheap".

      We both burst out laughing, because he was absolutely right.

      I just never eat anywhere that a $5 tip isn't at least 15-20% if the bill.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

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        I was in Baltimore at a conference. A friend and I went to a really nice restaurant. I was thinking about a steak. But it was $69. I told him I wasn't going to pay that much for a meal, and he offered to pay for my meal.

        I said "No, I'm not cheap, I have the money. I just don't want to pay $69 for
        Our local CheeseCake Factory raised their Ribeye steak price from $30 to $50. My kids still wanted to get it and my wife and i said, "No way"!!!
        so i can feel where you are coming from.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    I do tip because restaurants underpay with the expectation that the waiter receives tips, but I'd rather not have to.

    It's cultural: Japan doesn't have a tipping culture and service is probably better.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Serious question:


    Why do we not tip fast food people?

    I was lucky enough not to ever work in fast food (or restaurants at all), but it seems it would be 10 000 times more annoying to work at McD than in a normal restaurant.

    The more i think about think, the more I think tipping culture makes zero sense, lol.


    The higher end waiter deserves extra but the McD cashier doesn't? If the end goal is to be charitable and to show empathy, then it should be the reverse.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Serious question:


      Why do we not tip fast food .


      The higher end waiter deserves extra but the McD cashier doesn't? If the end goal is to be charitable and to show empathy, then it should be the reverse.
      i think you make a good case, hadn't thought about it in these terms
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Serious question:

      Why do we not tip fast food people?


      The more i think about think, the more I think tipping culture makes zero sense, lol.
      I don't know why, at one time, you went to McDonald's; they had an order taker; give them your money. Then another person would grab the order and hand you the food. Now, in half the places, one person has to do all the work. Then there's the person doing all the preparing, getting nothing?

      It has been a while since going to fast food places. However, Wendy's and Panera Bread have kiosks to place an order and pay by card. Each franchise is different.

      Then there are online donations that ask for tips? While others state to cover PayPal fees. (Which I pay) Yeah, the culture makes no sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author coockie
    it always depends on the certain situation
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