I wouldn't want to be Tiger Woods right now

14 years ago

Can't do the time, don't do the crime

I have a saying: I have no sympathy for self-inflicted wounds.

Besides, here's a man who's had an extremely disproportionate number of very good days in his life.

He'll weather through. If athletes can kill animals and resume an NFL career, Tiger may hit a dip in the road, but if he cleans up his act, he'll be just fine.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Can't do the time, don't do the crime

I have a saying: I have no sympathy for self-inflicted wounds.

Besides, here's a man who's had an extremely disproportionate number of very good days in his life.

He'll weather through. If athletes can kill animals and resume an NFL career, Tiger may hit a dip in the road, but if he cleans up his act, he'll be just fine.

Maybe, but his image will never be the same again. This is not something
that is going to go away and be forgotten.

Tarnished for life, just like Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, and so many others.

And...this is going to get uglier before it gets better.

No, I wouldn't want to be Tiger Woods WITH all his money...not now and
not 30 years from now.

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Kay King

14 years ago

I don't think he's tarnished like Pete Rose at all. I lived near Cincinnati when Pete Rose was exposed - that was totally different.

It is media that built Woods up to be "perfect" and now they are so enjoying tearing him down. Some of the coverage has been over the edge of reality with conjecture and postulating by so-called experts. It's ridiculous but I think some is payback because he's insisted on privacy in the past.

This is someone who was sheltered, protected and guided his whole life by his father. Is it surprising that all the adulation and money would make him think he can do what he wants?

To me this is nothing like the drug and alcohol induced public behavior so many celebrities seem to exhibit. It's stupid and he brought it on himself but it's personal behavior and the harm is to his family connections, not to the public.

I also wonder how many of the women are truthful. They do seem to come out of the woodwork at times like this. They were willing partners but I'm sure some think there is money in talking now.

Putting it into perspective, you can go on FoxNews and listen to good old Dick Morris almost every day - remember when he was caught hiring prostitutes? Gingrich still harbors ambitions - remember when he was so outspoken about morals just before he was caught in compromising positions? We get righteous, get mad, and then we get over it.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I don't think he's tarnished like Pete Rose at all. I lived near Cincinnati when Pete Rose was exposed - that was totally different.

It is media that built Woods up to be "perfect" and now they are so enjoying tearing him down. Some of the coverage has been over the edge of reality with conjecture and postulating by so-called experts. It's ridiculous but I think some is payback because he's insisted on privacy in the past.

This is someone who was sheltered, protected and guided his whole life by his father. Is it surprising that all the adulation and money would make him think he can do what he wants?

To me this is nothing like the drug and alcohol induced public behavior so many celebrities seem to exhibit. It's stupid and he brought it on himself but it's personal behavior and the harm is to his family connections, not to the public.

I also wonder how many of the women are truthful. They do seem to come out of the woodwork at times like this. They were willing partners but I'm sure some think there is money in talking now.

Putting it into perspective, you can go on FoxNews and listen to good old Dick Morris almost every day - remember when he was caught hiring prostitutes? Gingrich still harbors ambitions - remember when he was so outspoken about morals just before he was caught in compromising positions? We get righteous, get mad, and then we get over it.

kay

Kay, you make some good points. And I'm not saying we don't get over
it and move on.

But we don't forget. Tiger Woods will forever have come down at least a
few notches in many people's eyes. He will never be the Tiger Woods that
he was unless all of a sudden everybody develops a case of amnesia.

Personally, I'm disappointed that he cheated on his wife, and as a person,
that lowers him in my eyes. I used to really cheer for him to win tournaments
and pass Nicholas. Now, I'm not so sure.

And I can be a pretty forgiving person.

I'm sure there are going to be many more who feel as I do.

All I'm saying is, forgive him or not, it can't be the same...not after this.

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

It is media that built Woods up to be "perfect" and now they are so enjoying tearing him down.

They only had minor input. Tiger worked very hard to cultivate his "family man" image. It's his hypocrisy that will linger longest (but maybe not forever).

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

They only had minor input. Tiger worked very hard to cultivate his "family man" image. It's his hypocrisy that will linger longest (but maybe not forever).

~Michael

I don't remember him working hard to cultivate anything.

He was acting like a spoiled brat , cursing, throwing his clubs, blowing off autograph seekers and the press etc., whenever things didn't go right for him on the course.

The dude got married and brought his family to some tournaments etc.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Another one bites the dust.

Of course, it will never be the same again for Tiger.

Most guys don't really care about Tigers's once hidden passion, but the vast majority of gals will never forgive him.

Another one bites the dust.

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[QUOTE=TLTheLiberator;1478677]Another one bites the dust.

Of course, it will never be the same again for Tiger.

Most guys don't really care about Tigers's once hidden passion, but the vast majority of gals will never forgive him.

Another one bites the dust.

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Just had to say one thing on the subject Tiger is applying for a name change " Cheetah Woods "
Sorry but it amused me,small things etc
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

To me its not so much that he got busted. Thats something between him and his wife. Its that his stuff is broadcast worldwide. Doing it is bad enough, getting caught is even worse, but having every person on the planet with a tv or internet knowing about it just sucks.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

To me its not so much that he got busted. Thats something between him and his wife. Its that his stuff is broadcast worldwide. Doing it is bad enough, getting caught is even worse, but having every person on the planet with a tv or internet knowing about it just sucks.

How embarrassing...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

To me its not so much that he got busted. Thats something between him and his wife. Its that his stuff is broadcast worldwide. Doing it is bad enough, getting caught is even worse, but having every person on the planet with a tv or internet knowing about it just sucks.

Well, I don't feel bad for him there. He's a public figure who shoulda kept it in his pants.

He's human, prone to mistakes like the rest of us, but he has spent his lifetime building on his image. This is one guy who should have known better. The media LOVES misery - they will stay with this until something that brings better ratings comes down the pike (which won't be long, I'm sure).

I don't think it will "ruin" him. Tarnish his image? Yup. Cost him sponsors? Most definitely. But he'll always make money and play golf.

And Steve - your examples are not really relevant - those guys "cheated" the games they played (to a degree). Tiger cheated on his wife.

This time next year, he'll be a few sponsors short - but all this will be a footnote to many and he'll still be raking it in. Want proof, look at Clinton. For all the crap he went through, he's still in HUGE demand on the speaking and consulting circuit. And he gets a TON of money - even without sponsors

So Tiger will make 15 million instead of 50...poor guy.

Hard to feel sorry.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Well, I don't feel bad for him there. He's a public figure who shoulda kept it in his pants.

He's human, prone to mistakes like the rest of us, but he has spent his lifetime building on his image. This is one guy who should have known better. The media LOVES misery - they will stay with this until something that brings better ratings comes down the pike (which won't be long, I'm sure).

I don't think it will "ruin" him. Tarnish his image? Yup. Cost him sponsors? Most definitely. But he'll always make money and play golf.

And Steve - your examples are not really relevant - those guys "cheated" the games they played (to a degree). Tiger cheated on his wife.

This time next year, he'll be a few sponsors short - but all this will be a footnote to many and he'll still be raking it in. Want proof, look at Clinton. For all the crap he went through, he's still in HUGE demand on the speaking and consulting circuit. And he gets a TON of money - even without sponsors

So Tiger will make 15 million instead of 50...poor guy.

Hard to feel sorry.

Yeah, my examples might be different and not really relevant but believe
it or not, I'm not even talking so much about the money he'll make. Yes,
he'll lose some sponsors and make less money, but that's not what I'm
talking about.

I'm talking about the average Joe, like me, will look at him from here on in.

I'll never have the respect for him that I once had.

And I am sure that there are many people who will feel the same.

To me, that's worth more than all the money in the world...losing the
respect of those who, at one time, really admired you a lot.

If I were Tiger, that...not the money...would bother me most of all.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Yeah, my examples might be different and not really relevant but believe
it or not, I'm not even talking so much about the money he'll make. Yes,
he'll lose some sponsors and make less money, but that's not what I'm
talking about.

I'm talking about the average Joe, like me, will look at him from here on in.

I'll never have the respect for him that I once had.

And I am sure that there are many people who will feel the same.

To me, that's worth more than all the money in the world...losing the
respect of those who, at one time, really admired you a lot.

If I were Tiger, that...not the money...would bother me most of all.

If Tiger was concerned about that he would not have gotten himself into these situations in the first place

I was more devastated when I found out my dad cheated on my mom. I don't "know" Tiger. So I care very little. I feel bad for his wife and kid(s) though.

Tiger may well care more about that than the money. But I haven't spoken to him about it and I certainly wouldn't listen to the talking heads opinion on that.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

If Tiger was concerned about that he would not have gotten himself into these situations in the first place

I was more devastated when I found out my dad cheated on my mom. I don't "know" Tiger. So I care very little. I feel bad for his wife and kid(s) though.

Ah, but you see...some people DO care but they're addicts (sex is an
addiction if that's what this turns out to be about) and they can't stop
themselves. They pray to God that they never get caught and when they
do, they're devastated.

Does Tiger care other than the money?

No one will ever really know the answer to that except for Tiger.

But if the money is all he cares about and not what he's done to his wife
and his image as a person, then that makes me like him even less.

But again, as you say, if he doesn't care, then it's irrelevant.

And to me...that's the saddest thing of all.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Ah, but you see...some people DO care but they're addicts (sex is an
addiction if that's what this turns out to be about) and they can't stop
themselves. They pray to God that they never get caught and when they
do, they're devastated.

This will be Tigers "out" - you watch.

From what I heard last night there were many mistresses (supposedly). If that turns out to be the case, his spin doctors will say Tiger has an awful addiction and he'll do a 90 day rehab. Michael Douglas did that years ago - worked for him.

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Kay King

14 years ago

We were respecting a public figure for something he was not - that's why people are outraged. I don't know how much Woods promoted his own squeaky clean image - I never heard him speak out against others who were involved in scandals - and how much was media driven because of his insistence on privacy.

But that doesn't take away from his talent in golf or that he has never been the public spectacle other sports heros have been with drinking, drugs, etc. I've heard him speak about work ethic and responsibility - but haven't heard him hold forth on morality.

The public wanted Tiger Woods to be bigger than life - and he isn't. He's just like many other men (and women) except in his position women throw themselves at him. The women were willing partners and the only hurt is to his family and to an image we had in our minds.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

We were respecting a public figure for something he was not - that's why people are outraged. I don't know how much Woods promoted his own squeaky clean image - I never heard him speak out against others who were involved in scandals - and how much was media driven because of his insistence on privacy.

But that doesn't take away from his talent in golf or that he has never been the public spectacle other sports heros have been with drinking, drugs, etc. I've heard him speak about work ethic and responsibility - but haven't heard him hold forth on morality.

The public wanted Tiger Woods to be bigger than life - and he isn't. He's just like many other men (and women) except in his position women throw themselves at him. The women were willing partners and the only hurt is to his family and to an image we had in our minds.

kay

I wasn't expecting tiger to be anything but a golf player.

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Killer Joe 14 years ago

Too bad Tiger was a golfer instead of a bowler.

He'd be a God by now...:rolleyes:

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  Tiger is so lucky I guess hehe
  
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  Likely so, afterall...
  
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Yeah, my examples might be different and not really relevant but believe
it or not, I'm not even talking so much about the money he'll make. Yes,
he'll lose some sponsors and make less money, but that's not what I'm
talking about.

I'm talking about the average Joe, like me, will look at him from here on in.

I'll never have the respect for him that I once had.

And I am sure that there are many people who will feel the same.

To me, that's worth more than all the money in the world...losing the
respect of those who, at one time, really admired you a lot.

If I were Tiger, that...not the money...would bother me most of all.

Steve, I think most average men will only look at Tiger as a guy who got publicly busted and nothing else.

Most men will not lose an ounce of respect for him etc.

I can't wait to see him at his first public appearance.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Steve, I think most average men will only look at Tiger as a guy who got publicly busted and nothing else.

Most men will not lose an ounce of respect for him etc.

I can't wait to see him at his first public appearance.

TL

Well, I guess I'm not most men.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

I wonder why this kind of thing loses sponsors for sports guys? Are the sponsors trying to say that everyone in their company is completely loyal to their spouses? Do they think there arent people in their demographic that cheat? Is cheating suddenly such a big deal that it will somehow grind to halt the wheels of commerce?

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I wonder why this kind of thing loses sponsors for sports guys? Are the sponsors trying to say that everyone in their company is completely loyal to their spouses? Do they think there arent people in their demographic that cheat? Is cheating suddenly such a big deal that it will somehow grind to halt the wheels of commerce?

It's the illusion that the media pushes about "family values", etc. We pretend that when people fall - especially high profile people - that it's such a huge travesty. But in reality they are simply worried about the bottom line. We're a judgmental society and the sponsors know it.

The sponsors employees may well be 100 times worse than Tiger, but it's not them that are trying to convince people to buy their products.

At the end of the day it's all about money.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

It's the illusion that the media pushes about "family values", etc. We pretend that when people fall - especially high profile people - that it's such a huge travesty. But in reality they are simply worried about the bottom line. We're a judgmental society and the sponsors know it.

The sponsors employees may well be 100 times worse than Tiger, but it's not them that are trying to convince people to buy their products.

At the end of the day it's all about money.

Yeah i get all that. But how why is a company really worried about 'family values' when their entire demographic pool has a better than 50% divorce rate? Seems a little hypocritical at least.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Yeah i get all that. But how why is a company really worried about 'family values' when their entire demographic pool has a better than 50% divorce rate? Seems a little hypocritical at least.

Because we live in a judgmental society.

People don't see themselves the way they see others. They now see Tiger as a low-life cheat while on their way to meet with their mistresses.

The sponsors KNOW their demographic well. That's why sponsors drop spokespeople when stuff like this happens. They understand the difference between reality and perceived reality.

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Yeah i get all that. But how why is a company really worried about 'family values' when their entire demographic pool has a better than 50% divorce rate? Seems a little hypocritical at least.

It's their money. They should be the judge.

And, it's not like Tiger doesn't have a enough money to hire Dr. Phil and/or retire on a deserted island where he doesn't have to worry about what people think.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Yeah i get all that. But how why is a company really worried about 'family values' when their entire demographic pool has a better than 50% divorce rate? Seems a little hypocritical at least.

Sorry, but IMO they are only worried about Sales/Money, and the knee-jerk response is due to the fact that the (massive sized) "trangression" might be offensive to their 'customers' is enough for the sponsors to go running.
I don't think it has a thing to do with 'value' of anything except their bottom lines..

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Michael,

I wonder why this kind of thing loses sponsors for sports guys? Are the sponsors trying to say that everyone in their company is completely loyal to their spouses? Do they think there arent people in their demographic that cheat? Is cheating suddenly such a big deal that it will somehow grind to halt the wheels of commerce?

I can think of three main reasons that sponsors will drop someone in this kind of circumstance.

1: They believe the viewership will drop due to it, which is an objective assessment of commercial value of the sponsorship.

2: They are afraid of "guilt by association." Specifically, the desire of people to punish anyone who can be remotely suggested to be involved in or supporting things of which they don't approve.

3: They believe that distancing themselves sends a message which will improve their brand among members of their target market.

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Ron Kerr

14 years ago

I would trade my life for that of Tiger.

If he would take on my back problem (which no medicine fixes, and my daughter is a pharmacist so I have pretty good advice), trade my financial position for his, then I reckon I would do it. And if I have to put up with women throwing themselves at me, I could probably cope with that too, although that has been a problem I have dealt with throughout most of my life.

I would set my German Shepherd loose on all the tarts and media, declare retirement and let my lawyers figure out just how many hundreds of millions I would end up with.

I would then retire to Australia and continue as I have been, except that I would be a lot richer.

Yes, I reckon I could cope with that.

Poor Tiger.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ron Kerr

I would trade my life for that of Tiger.

If he would take on my back problem (which no medicine fixes, and my daughter is a pharmacist so I have pretty good advice), trade my financial position for his, then I reckon I would do it. And if I have to put up with women throwing themselves at me, I could probably cope with that too, although that has been a problem I have dealt with throughout most of my life.

I would set my German Shepherd loose on all the tarts and media, declare retirement and let my lawyers figure out just how many hundreds of millions I would end up with.

I would then retire to Australia and continue as I have been, except that I would be a lot richer.

Yes, I reckon I could cope with that.

Poor Tiger.

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derekwong28

14 years ago

I don't feel sorry for him at all, he purposefully choose a series of hot bimbos who are at the highest risk of "kiss and tell". Surely, he must know that the day would come when this all came out.

The big surprise is that it took so many years to come out. The big problem now for him is that as more mistresses come forware, the lesser amount of money the tabloids are willing to pay for their stories. So in order to make money, the newer ones will have to tell as salicious a story as possible. We are already seeing stories about the use of condoms and Tiger's performance already.

Another surprise would be whether his wife really did not know about this all through the years. It is conceivable that she did suspect it but decided to grain and bear it, as is the case of wives of many of the rich and powerful. All eyes are on her now on whether she is going to end the marriage or not.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

...he's getting his a$$ kicked in the press.

Would this be the same press/media that colluded in the portrayal of Mr Woods as a "squeaky clean family guy".

The same media, which if it had been doing its job of investigative journalism, HAD to be aware of what was going on, but never bothered to report it until the story "broke"?

The same media that is now leading the angry mob with pitchforks and torches?

The same media that made Mr Woods a star and VERY rich?

Tacky, trashy titilating tabloid tat.

Now back to some real news...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Would this be the same press/media that colluded in the portrayal of Mr Woods as a "squeaky clean family guy".

The same media, which if it had been doing its job of investigative journalism, HAD to be aware of what was going on, but never bothered to report it until the story "broke"?

The same media that is now leading the angry mob with pitchforks and torches?

The same media that made Mr Woods a star and VERY rich?

Tacky, trashy titilating tabloid tat.

Now back to some real news...

It's also the same Michael Motley that in another thread argued that athletes were role models and should be held to a higher standard than the general public.

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Michael Motley 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It's also the same Michael Motley that in another thread argued that athletes were role models and should be held to a higher standard than the general public.

I did? I can't say that I remember that.

And 'holding to a higher standard' doesnt equate to kicking a guy when he's down. His cheating issue is between him and his wife.
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- parzlou 14 years ago
  
  My answer would be no ... wow I cant believe I wouldnt wanna be a billionaire and play golf for a living... I must be mad. damn my wife and kids anyways LOL
  
  No seriously tho This man already has a billion dollars and is the by miles the best golfer on the planet lets not think for a minute that he wont come back from this.
  
  once the scars on his face heal up and he gets some gold teeth to replace the chicklets the wife took out with a 6 iron he will be just fine
  
  He will not have the endorsements any more but he already has his money and he will earn plenty winning golf events so he can still earn.
  
  The people will forget
  did any one see michael vick last week they cheared him in atlanta
  ray lewis was charged with murder "allegedly " hmm still playing in the nfl tho
  kobe charged with rape .. "allegedly " hmmm most popular player in the nba..
  bill clinton had several women undr his desk
  the list goes on and on
  
  When you combine great wealth and power with no moral character those people will always do as they want with no concern for there consequences as they feel they are above reproach and that there cash will handle everything ..
  google the ring kobe bought his wife
  
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  Most guys don't really care about Tigers's once hidden passion,
  
  If that's true, that's a sad commentary on modern society.
  
  Whatever happened to valuing character?
  
  but the vast majority of gals will never forgive him.
  
  Didn't seem to hurt Bill Clinton too badly.
  
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Chris Worner

14 years ago

I have an interesting angle for a headline: WHO CARES?

P.S. maybe its just me, but doesn't anybody else find a bunch of grown men acting like a bunch of clucking hens about a celebrity sex scandal a little odd?

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Originally Posted by skyfox7

P.S. maybe its just me, but doesn't anybody else find a bunch of grown men acting like a bunch of clucking hens about a celebrity sex scandal a little odd?

LOL, actually no - it's not odd at all.

If it was odd, it wouldn't be in the news cause, no one would care.
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by skyfox7

I have an interesting angle for a headline: WHO CARES?

P.S. maybe its just me, but doesn't anybody else find a bunch of grown men acting like a bunch of clucking hens about a celebrity sex scandal a little odd?

its just odd to you because tv is a new invention to aussies. Once you guys get cable down there, you'll be able to cluck like the rest of us.

i'm just kidding.

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FrancisAllard

14 years ago

I would hate to be Woods, although it's not like this has not been done before.

What I am wondering is what all these sponsors, and corporations think! I mean, with a name like WOODS behind them, they have a nice reputation until now. Woods was a well respected, well rounded, excellent, nice guy up until now.

He was perfect as a spokesperson, never in trouble, a nice role model, and everything. This happens......what will the corprorations backing him think!

Nike
Cadillac
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should be interesting!

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Will Tiger's need to compete override his embarrassment?

Or, has he had it with the pro circuit and will retire from public life?

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robert key

14 years ago

Hi Warriors,

The man is human and he made a mistake in his personal life.
The same media that built him up is the same media that's
helping to tear him down, etc.

To all of you Warriors that are giving your negative comments
and opinions about him as a person, take a look in the mirror and
your own life.

Are you perfect?

IF you're the world's FIRST perfect person, then by all means
keep talking. But if you're not PERFECT and you yourself have
made mistakes or you have skeletons in your closet, please
be quiet.

If you have made mistakes in your own life, then you have NO
room to talk about, comment or give your "opinion" about
another human being that obviously made a huge mistake.

It's funny how people are so fast to comment on another
person's life but slow to comment about their own life and
the mistakes they've made.

Tiger is married to Elin and that doesn't include you, me or
anyone else. It definitely doesn't include the media that's
speculating and wanting to know this and that.

Just my two cents.

R.

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Kay King

14 years ago

Whatever happened to valuing character?

Nothing. But the concept of valuing the character of someone you don't know except through media exposure sets you up for disappointment. We create an image in our minds based on insufficient information - not surprising we are often disappointed.

You don't know the character of Tiger Woods or any other public figure - you only see the character that is portrayed through the game and the media.

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by keyz

Are you perfect?

I didn't realize that free speech was limited to perfect people.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Nothing. But the concept of valuing the character of someone you don't know except through media exposure sets you up for disappointment. We create an image in our minds based on insufficient information - not surprising we are often disappointed.

You don't know the character of Tiger Woods or any other public figure - you only see the character that is portrayed through the game and the media.

No, but we know something of that character, or lack thereof, now. And that bit of "character" is not a media creation.

I just have a low tolerance for adultery and I am disappointed that society these days seems to treat it as a minor thing, no worse than forgetting an anniversary. Then again, marriage is treated as little more than a semi-permanent boyfriend-girlfriend relationship these days, so I guess I should not be surprised.

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Trader54

14 years ago

Originally Posted by keyz

To all of you Warriors that are giving your negative comments
and opinions about him as a person, take a look in the mirror and
your own life.

Are you perfect?

IF you're the world's FIRST perfect person, then by all means
keep talking. But if you're not PERFECT and you yourself have
made mistakes or you have skeletons in your closet, please
be quiet.

R.

Are you perfect?

If not what gives you the right to make this post?

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by keyz

Hi Warriors,

The man is human and he made a mistake in his personal life.
The same media that built him up is the same media that's
helping to tear him down, etc.

To all of you Warriors that are giving your negative comments
and opinions about him as a person, take a look in the mirror and
your own life.

Are you perfect?

IF you're the world's FIRST perfect person, then by all means
keep talking. But if you're not PERFECT and you yourself have
made mistakes or you have skeletons in your closet, please
be quiet.

If you have made mistakes in your own life, then you have NO
room to talk about, comment or give your "opinion" about
another human being that obviously made a huge mistake.

It's funny how people are so fast to comment on another
person's life but slow to comment about their own life and
the mistakes they've made.

Tiger is married to Elin and that doesn't include you, me or
anyone else. It definitely doesn't include the media that's
speculating and wanting to know this and that.

Just my two cents.

R.

You got that just a tad wrong, he did not just a mistake, how many women have come forth? I'd say that many mistakes.

And naturally nobody is perfect, but they're not going around committing fornication and adultery!

Just my humble opinion!

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You got that just a tad wrong, he did not just a mistake, how many women have come forth? I'd say that many mistakes.

And naturally nobody is perfect, but they're not going around committing fornication and adultery!

Just my humble opinion!

I'm wondering how many of these girls are legitmate though. Most all of them except for the waitress are fame hounds. They are some form of model or are on reality shows. I have to wonder how many of their stories are true and how many are just an attempt to lengthen their 15 minutes of fame

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I'm wondering how many of these girls are legitmate though. Most all of them except for the waitress are fame hounds. They are some form of model or are on reality shows. I have to wonder how many of their stories are true and how many are just an attempt to lengthen their 15 minutes of fame

Don't you think he would refute their accusations? Not only that, they could be sued fro slander, defamation of character, etc.

I'd say that was a pretty risky business! Wouldn't you?

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Kappa 14 years ago

All of this talk about Tiger and his mistresses is just smoke and mirrors. Trust, there is a REAL issue. Drug abuse, mental illness, maybe worse. Just because you are very good at golf, does not mean you have the emotional/mental fortitude to be a billion dollar empire. Nothing about any of the original story adds up, I'm sure Tiger is glad no one can talk about anything but "poor Ellin" and how hideous the scallywags are.
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Don't you think he would refute their accusations? Not only that, they could be sued fro slander, defamation of character, etc.

I'd say that was a pretty risky business! Wouldn't you?

MissTerraK

I think that even if some of them were lying through their teeth, his BEST option would be to shut up and keep his head down. If he refutes what they say at all, the headlines the next day will read 'What a Cheater Would Say'. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesnt, because he's already been found guilty in the press. Because really, if you're in his position, one was bad enough, but once there was more than one, it doesnt matter what the number grows to be. He can't be made to look like any more of a ******* in the press than he already does.

Now we get to watch the rest of the future E! True Hollywood Story unfold. She's probably going to divorce him in about 3 years, because they have to be married atleast 10 years for her to get a sizeable chunk in the prenup.

Between here and there, he's either going to be completely villified in the press, or if he's got a good pr guy, he'll end up divorced, back on top of golf and dating Rhianna or something similar. The country/world/golf community's attention span will have waned he'll be a hero again, and he'll just be a handsome, young, divorced single father, and poor little multi-millionaire golf god. Whatever shall he do?

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I think that even if some of them were lying through their teeth, his BEST option would be to shut up and keep his head down. If he refutes what they say at all, the headlines the next day will read 'What a Cheater Would Say'. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesnt, because he's already been found guilty in the press. Because really, if you're in his position, one was bad enough, but once there was more than one, it doesnt matter what the number grows to be. He can't be made to look like any more of a ******* in the press than he already does.

Now we get to watch the rest of the future E! True Hollywood Story unfold. She's probably going to divorce him in about 3 years, because they have to be married atleast 10 years for her to get a sizeable chunk in the prenup.

Between here and there, he's either going to be completely villified in the press, or if he's got a good pr guy, he'll end up divorced, back on top of golf and dating Rhianna or something similar. The country/world/golf community's attention span will have waned he'll be a hero again, and he'll just be a handsome, young, divorced single father, and poor little multi-millionaire golf god. Whatever shall he do?

Well for starters he could start thinking with his other head, ya know the one that sits on his shoulders?

If I were him, I'd be quiet, go buy my own tropical island and enjoy the sunshine until the storm passes!

But then again, I never would have put my self in his bed, if ya know what I mean!

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Guys like him can think with whatever they want. He's tiger woods, its not like there's a shortage of bikini models that want to go out with him.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Well for starters he could start thinking with his other head, ya know the one that sits on his shoulders?

If I were him, I'd be quiet, go buy my own tropical island and enjoy the sunshine until the storm passes!

But then again, I never would have put my self in his bed, if ya know what I mean!

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Guys like him can think with whatever they want. He's tiger woods, its not like there's a shortage of bikini models that want to go out with him.

That's only cuz they want a piece...of the money pie!

But, if he would have thought with his head on his shoulders, we wouldn't be discussing his woes right now, would we?

Did I hear a hint of jealousy in that statement?

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Lawrh 14 years ago

Looks like the networks are the ones to really suffer.

CANOE Money: Sectors - Networks know about life without Tiger

The eight months he was away with knee surgery the ratings dropped by 50%. They are now reexamining their contracts.
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Hell yeah! I'd like my toughest decisions today to be which one of my palatial estates will I visit, or my biggest problem to be one of the tv's in one of my obscenely expensive SUV's is on the fritz.

Once he gets divorced, he'll wise up, not get married again and somehow have to find a way to slog along with that big ole bank account dragging along behind him and getting paid more than the budgets of some states for playing a game that doesnt even make you break a sweat all while being arguably one of the greatests golfers alive. Damn, that sound like a rough life

The pga has already reported golf viewers down by 50% with no tiger. He may get a financial smack on the head for this but in the end...its good to be the king.

I feel bad for the kids and all, but if my middle class parents can make a divorce survivable for their kids, I'm betting tiger and his wife can pull something together.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That's only cuz they want a piece...of the money pie!

But, if he would have thought with his head on his shoulders, we wouldn't be discussing his woes right now, would we?

Did I hear a hint of jealousy in that statement?

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Hell yeah! I'd like my toughest decisions today to be which one of my palatial estates will I visit, or my biggest problem to be one of the tv's in one of my obscenely expensive SUV's is on the fritz.

Once he gets divorced, he'll wise up, not get married again and somehow have to find a way to slog along with that big ole bank account dragging along behind him and getting paid more than the budgets of some states for playing a game that doesnt even make you break a sweat all while being arguably one of the greatests golfers alive. Damn, that sound like a rough life

The pga has already reported golf viewers down by 50% with no tiger. He may get a financial smack on the head for this but in the end...its good to be the king.

LOL! I thought I picked up that little hint of jealously!

Personally, I wouldn't what he has for nothin! I don't care much for drama, no matter how much money it would bring!

And money can't buy happpiness or love!

He can keep his tainted moola! Unless he'll share some with you, of course!

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

I dunno, i think if money can't buy you happiness, you may be shopping in the wrong stores

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

LOL! I thought I picked up that little hint of jealously!

Personally, I wouldn't what he has for nothin! I don't care much for drama, no matter how much money it would bring!

And money can't buy happpiness or love!

He can keep his tainted moola! Unless he'll share some with you, of course!

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I dunno, i think if money can't buy you happiness, you may be shopping in the wrong stores

Oh Michael,

I am a girlie girl all the way, I live to shop, and when I'm tired of shopping, I sit down and try on shoes!:p

But, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul? And I heard it's a very lonely place on the top, there's no where to go but down!

What good is all that money if you don't have someone special to share it with?

How would you know if people really liked you for you, or if they were just using you for your money? And then heaven forbid, something tragic happened and you lost it all?

Alone, lonely and unhappy!

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Oh Michael,

I am a girlie girl all the way, I live to shop, and when I'm tired of shopping, I sit down and try on shoes!:p

But, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul? And I heard it's a very lonely place on the top, there's no where to go but down!

What good is all that money if you don't have someone special to share it with?

How would you know if people really liked you for you, or if they were just using you for your money? And then heaven forbid, something tragic happened and you lost it all?

Alone, lonely and unhappy!

MissTerraK

I know one thing for sure... my wife didn't hook up with me for money.

When we met I was five figures in debt, divorced with 2 sons who visited every other weekend and a dead end job.

In fact, her parents bailed me out 11 years ago with a personal loan.

Things are different now, but I'm no millionaire. I just know we're happy. And I never have to wonder.

That's the good life.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

I know one thing for sure... my wife didn't hook up with me for money.

When we met I was five figures in debt, divorced with 2 sons who visited every other weekend and a dead end job.

In fact, her parents bailed me out 11 years ago with a personal loan.

Things are different now, but I'm no millionaire. I just know we're happy. And I never have to wonder.

That's the good life.

I'm with you! I didn't marry my hubby for money, nor did he marry me for money, but we're in our 27th year of marriage, not rich, live comfortably, and are happy as well!

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

But do you really believe people when they say 'money cant buy you happiness'?

ever seen happy bums?

ever seen millionaires depressed because of their net worth?

Why doesnt bill gates just give all his money away so he'll feel better?

That sentiment isnt true, its just said so that the broke mofo's in the crowd dont feel bad about being broke.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Oh Michael,

I am a girlie girl all the way, I live to shop, and when I'm tired of shopping, I sit down and try on shoes!:p

But, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul? And I heard it's a very lonely place on the top, there's no where to go but down!

What good is all that money if you don't have someone special to share it with?

How would you know if people really liked you for you, or if they were just using you for your money? And then heaven forbid, something tragic happened and you lost it all?

Alone, lonely and unhappy!

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

But do you really believe people when they say 'money cant buy you happiness'?

ever seen happy bums?

ever seen millionaires depressed because of their net worth?

Why doesnt bill gates just give all his money away so he'll feel better?

That sentiment isnt true, its just said so that the broke mofo's in the crowd dont feel bad about being broke.

I think what most people mean by that is money ALONE can't buy happiness. And if you think of it, that's true. It may make hard times easier to bear, but that's not the same as being happy.

But that's not to say all rich people are UNhappy either. Perhaps they simply didn't BUY their happiness.

And yes, I have seen happy "bums" (homeless). They love their simple life. Even in the cold harsh streets.

As far as I recall, Bill Gates has started on the process of giving away a LOT of his money.

At the end of the day, everyone's different.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Here's a list of the countries with the world's happiest people:

1. Nigeria
2. Mexico
3. Venezuela
4. El Salvador
5. Puerto Rico

Happiest Countries in the World

BTW, yes, I have seen happy bums and I have seen depressed millionaires.

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But do you really believe people when they say 'money cant buy you happiness'?

ever seen happy bums?

ever seen millionaires depressed because of their net worth?

Why doesnt bill gates just give all his money away so he'll feel better?

That sentiment isnt true, its just said so that the broke mofo's in the crowd dont feel bad about being broke.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I have seen depressed millionaires.

then they aren't doing it right

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14 years ago

They aren't doing what right? Spending money? There's a lot of ways and reasons to be unhappy, or happy, that having money isn't going to help much. How about getting a fatal disease or becoming severely disabled? Or if your kids die young? How does money help then?

I do agree money can make life easier.

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I do agree money can make life easier.

That's probably where people get confused. They equate EASY with HAPPY.
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

They aren't doing what right? Spending money? There's a lot of ways and reasons to be unhappy, or happy, that having money isn't going to help much. How about getting a fatal disease or becoming severely disabled? Or if your kids die young? How does money help then?

I do agree money can make life easier.

Not just easier...better.

Hmm...let me think about this....would i be happier if i were diseased/disabled and poor so i couldnt afford adequated medical care....or would i be happier if i were rich and able to pay for care..hmm..thats a tough one.

If kids die young, nothing is going to make you feel better about that. But how much worse would you feel if you had no money, no insurance because you're broke and you have to bury your children in a pine box in a paupers grave with some piddly little grave marker with a number on it.

If money isn't everything, then just sign your checking account over to me and send me all your paychecks. I'll help you relieve yourself of this burden and somehow i'll find a way to continue on

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

then they aren't doing it right

HMMM, have you considered Rockefeller? He died a very rich, happy, normal person, didn't he?

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

I think Michael agrees with you. Yes, Rockefeller was happy but an example of a billionaire who wasn't was Howard Hughes.

Michael, sure money also makes life better in many ways, but the point was it can't always buy happiness and isn't a requierment to be happy.

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HMMM, have you considered Rockefeller? He died a very rich, happy, normal person, didn't he?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I think Michael agrees with you. Yes, Rockefeller was happy but an example of a billionaire who wasn't was Howard Hughes.

Michael, sure money also makes life better in many ways, but the point was it can't always buy happiness and isn't a requierment to be happy.

Howard hughes wasnt unhappy because he was a billionaire. He was unhappy because he was mentally defective.

There are more times that money can provide happiness than not. And its not a requirement to being happy, especially if you've already aligned yourself with the knowledge that you dont have money and wont have money.

If all you have to eat is dog crap sandwiches, your choices are to either really enjoy your dog crap sandwiches or be really unhappy for the rest of your life. But that doesnt automatically mean that sayings like 'dog crap is yummy and makes you happy' will catch on with the rest of the people who actually eat real food. It will just be catchy with the other dog-doo eaters.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Who said he was unhappy because of his billions? The point is his billions didn't buy him happiness. Geesh.

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Howard hughes wasnt unhappy because he was a billionaire.

Yeah, his billions of bucks caused the mental problem!

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Who said he was unhappy because of his billions? The point is his billions didn't buy him happiness. Geesh.

but COULD have. The stories i've seen about hughes say he was an undiagnosed add/adhd person..it just wasn't that well known back then. Do you think, had he be properly diagnosed that he would have had a much happier life, partially provided by his wealth, through the correct medication and treatement?

In that day, would he have been able to recieve that same treatment without his deep pockets?

Wouldn't that equate to money making him happy?
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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Who said he was unhappy because of his billions? The point is his billions didn't buy him happiness. Geesh.

Michael said Howard hughes wasnt unhappy because he was a billionaire. He was unhappy because he was mentally defective. Sheesh!

But your point is absolutely correct! His money couldn't buy him happiness.

Instead, it caused him to be a phobia maniac!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Michael said Howard hughes wasnt unhappy because he was a billionaire. He was unhappy because he was mentally defective. Sheesh!

But your point is absolutely correct! His money couldn't buy him happiness.

Instead, it caused him to be a phobia maniac!

MissTerraK

No..his brain caused him to be a phobia maniac. Had he been diagnosed correctly, his money could have fixed that...and therefore made him happy.

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

It didn't. :-)

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

I think Michael agrees with you. Yes, Rockefeller was happy but an example of a billionaire who wasn't was Howard Hughes.

Michael, sure money also makes life better in many ways, but the point was it can't always buy happiness and isn't a requierment to be happy.

Actually, rumor has it he was a part of the illuminatti, which is part of a cult, which goes against mainstream (a word I cannot say) and I don't see how you can be happy being a part of that!

To Michael & Tim...Howard Hughes was not mental to begin with, the fear of people using him for his money caused him to go over the edge and he therefore alienated everybody from himself, further building the dementia!

Yeah, his billions of bucks caused the mental problem!

Michael, crap and poop sandwiches? Yikes! The only thing I know that likes to eat poop is dogs. Not people!

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Oh, I see. You've been hanging around Indy too much perhaps? The Illuminati is just a fantasy of conspiracy theorists. All indications are that Rockefeller lived a full happy life and was a devoted Baptist who supported many chuch institutions throughout his life.

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Actually, rumor has it he was a part of the illuminatti, which is part of a cult, which goes against mainstream (a word I cannot say) and I don't see how you can be happy being a part of that!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Oh, I see. You've been hanging around Indy too much perhaps? The Illuminati is just a fantasy of conspiracy theorists. All indications are that Rockefeller lived a full happy life and was a devoted Baptist who supported many chuch institutions throughout his life.

On Jan. 31, 1945, John D. Rockefeller addressed the Protestant Council of the City of N.Y. and told them that the answer to the problems Christianity was that Christianity needed to become "the Church of the Living God." Many listening that day, may not have realized that he and other top Illuminati consider themselves gods, and that the solution John D. was cryptically giving was for Christianity to serve him a living god. (Rockefeller, John D. The Christian Church- What of its Future? NY:
Protestant Council, 1945, & 1917.)
quoted from:

The Rockefeller Bloodline

Found in Wikipedia, sorry!

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14 years ago

That's a conspiracy site. So what? They are nuts. Sorry.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

On Jan. 31, 1945, John D. Rockefeller addressed the Protestant Council of the City of N.Y. and told them that the answer to the problems Christianity was that Christianity needed to become "the Church of the Living God." Many listening that day, may not have realized that he and other top Illuminati consider themselves gods, and that the solution John D. was cryptically giving was for Christianity to serve him a living god. (Rockefeller, John D. The Christian Church- What of its Future? NY:
Protestant Council, 1945, & 1917.)
quoted from:

The Rockefeller Bloodline

Found in Wikipedia, sorry!

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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That's a conspiracy site. So what? They are nuts. Sorry.

No need to be sorry, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I, on the other hand choose to be informed and ready and equipped, as opposed to shirking things off and be in the sector of "Ignorance is bliss!"
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  LOL. That looks and sounds like a young Jesse Ventura.
  
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  No. What is it, a reality show? Oh wait, I remember seeing him on Larry King talking about it. It's about conspiracies. OK, that fits.
  
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Originally Posted by TimPhelan

That's a conspiracy site. So what? They are nuts. Sorry.

But I have to say, it had one of the funniest lines I have seen in ages:

"Throughout the world ... we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures"
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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That's only cuz they want a piece...of the money pie!

But, if he would have thought with his head on his shoulders, we wouldn't be discussing his woes right now, would we?

Did I hear a hint of jealousy in that statement?

MissTerraK

Hmmm - three times in one thread you were able to get that "think with the other head..." comment in. Nice job!

What do we get to say about the women cheaters out there? They don't have that second head.

Anyway, funny stuff here in NY - earlier this year (former) Governor Eliot Spitzer was nabbed with a hooker.

Well, in today's news, it was announced this hooker now has her very own column in the New York Post...

Dispensing Sex and Relationship advice. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Gotta love it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/s...JHA38suGawuaiM

I would say that if a paid hooker can be "forgiven" and land a job like this, Tiger will be just fine.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

How is it in these sex scandals, men get destroyed, women get book deals. Everyone tore up bill clinton, but nobody seemed to really have a problem with the character of a female on her knees in the oval office. Spitzer is destroyed, the hooker has a column. In a lot of sex scandals women seem to get the better end of the stick than their male couterparts.

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Hmmm - three times in one thread you were able to get that "think with the other head..." comment in. Nice job!

What do we get to say about the women cheaters out there? They don't have that second head.

Anyway, funny stuff here in NY - earlier this year (former) Governor Eliot Spitzer was nabbed with a hooker.

Well, in today's news, it was announced this hooker now has her very own column in the New York Post...

Dispensing Sex and Relationship advice. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Gotta love it.

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NicheCowboy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

How is it in these sex scandals, men get destroyed, women get book deals. Everyone tore up bill clinton, but nobody seemed to really have a problem with the character of a female on her knees in the oval office. Spitzer is destroyed, the hooker has a column. In a lot of sex scandals women seem to get the better end of the stick than their male couterparts.

That's the way it is. A man has sex with a minor and gets 20 years+ in prison. woman has sex with a minor and MAY get some community service...if that.

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Tell that to this lady:

Teacher gets 25 years to life for sex crimes - South Sound - The Olympian - Olympia, Washington

The simple truth is men molest more than women.

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That's the way it is. A man has sex with a minor and gets 20 years+ in prison. woman has sex with a minor and MAY get some community service...if that.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Tell that to this lady:

Teacher gets 25 years to life for sex crimes - South Sound - The Olympian - Olympia, Washington

The simple truth is men molest more than women.

She must not have been pretty enough

Debbie LaFave News - Teacher Debra Lafave pleads guilty on sex charges with teen
she didnt do jailtime, was put on probation and is now allowed to be around children unsupervised again.

I hear way more about female teachers molesting kids than male

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

That's because women sexual offenders make the news more, especially if they are "pretty" enough. The truth is a different story:

"According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, women committed only 3.5 percent of all single-perpetrator sexual assaults or rapes in this country in 2003, consistent with their share of these crimes since at least 1996. In California, where recent teacher-student cases have made news, the number of female offenders convicted annually has stayed flat for years at about 4 percent of the number of male offenders. Even in teaching, where women are highly overrepresented, five of seven studies reviewed by the U.S. Department of Education two years ago indicated that 80 percent to 96 percent of offenders were male."

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I hear way more about female teachers molesting kids than male
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Originally Posted by NicheCowboy

That's the way it is. A man has sex with a minor and gets 20 years+ in prison. woman has sex with a minor and MAY get some community service...if that.

Last year, here in NY, there was a case of a woman teacher and a woman teachers aid at a school for "troubled teens" that took 2 teen aged boys (about 16) home, partied with them and had sex with them.

Both women got jail time. Not 20 years, but 3 - 5.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Hmmm - three times in one thread you were able to get that "think with the other head..." comment in. Nice job!

What do we get to say about the women cheaters out there? They don't have that second head.

Anyway, funny stuff here in NY - earlier this year (former) Governor Eliot Spitzer was nabbed with a hooker.

Well, in today's news, it was announced this hooker now has her very own column in the New York Post...

Dispensing Sex and Relationship advice. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Gotta love it.

Ask Ashley Dupre: Girl who bedded Eliot Spitzer answers questions on sex, love and relationships - NYPOST.com

I would say that if a paid hooker can be "forgiven" and land a job like this, Tiger will be just fine.

Yeah, go figure, LOL! ummm let's see, you can call women cheaters ummm...oh, head hunters! Bwaa Haa!

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MikeAmbrosio 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

Yeah, go figure, LOL! ummm let's see, you can call women cheaters ummm...oh, head hunters! Bwaa Haa!

MissTerraK

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Kurt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That's only cuz they want a piece...of the money pie!

But, if he would have thought with his head on his shoulders, we wouldn't be discussing his woes right now, would we?

Did I hear a hint of jealousy in that statement?

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Hell yeah! I'd like my toughest decisions today to be which one of my palatial estates will I visit, or my biggest problem to be one of the tv's in one of my obscenely expensive SUV's is on the fritz.

Once he gets divorced, he'll wise up, not get married again and somehow have to find a way to slog along with that big ole bank account dragging along behind him and getting paid more than the budgets of some states for playing a game that doesnt even make you break a sweat all while being arguably one of the greatests golfers alive. Damn, that sound like a rough life

The pga has already reported golf viewers down by 50% with no tiger. He may get a financial smack on the head for this but in the end...its good to be the king.

I feel bad for the kids and all, but if my middle class parents can make a divorce survivable for their kids, I'm betting tiger and his wife can pull something together.

Now I'm confused...You start a thread saying you wouldn't want to be Tiger Woods right now, then you post in that thread that you're jealous of his life...OK.

At least you have all the bases covered, thought about entering politics?

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Now I'm confused...You start a thread saying you wouldn't want to be Tiger Woods right now, then you post in that thread that you're jealous of his life...OK.

At least you have all the bases covered, thought about entering politics?

I wouldnt want to be him catching all this grief, but i think i may be able to get along with having his money.

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Patricia1

14 years ago

I think it more appropriate to feel sorry for his wife and children. To do what he did to them is inexcusable and he should hang his head in shame for years to come. His family will certainly suffer the embarrassment for a long, long time.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

I don't think the kids aren't old enough to really know whats going on. His prenup says she gets 75mil after 7 years of marriage. Something tells me she'll get over it for atleast another 3 years, or she could always go back to her comfy life as a bikini model/nanny

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14 years ago

Hey I would swap with Tiger any day...... Everything passes , then he can go back to being a billionaire and the worlds best golfer

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puti1

14 years ago

Don't judge him because of this...everyone of us have fallen short in someways. Just becoz he is a well known person and gets new coverage everywhere does not mean that he is infallible. Have mercy on this poor chap. He is just a human ..

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14 years ago

Amazing how Pete Rose can admit to gambling on baseball and pretty much gets a pass.

Kobe Bryant may or may not have raped a woman.

Boxer Roberto Duran....."quit" and said "no mas" in his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard.

Mike Tyson actually was convicted of rape...though I'm still not sure he was guilty.

4 members of Tennessee University Foot Ball Team....just go charged for armed robbery! But hey....it's all about tiger in the press!

And yet in most of the above examples.....these "criminals" actually got a pass and forgiven...for acts I personally find far more offensive then what Tiger Woods did.

Truth is.....golf is old school. There are a lot of people who didn't like Tiger long before the latest scandal for the simple reason he was too damn good at a game no one but him has been able to dominate.

His skin color doesn't help his cause either....and anyone who don't believe that.....aint living in the real world.

Black golfers were barely allowed to play.....up until rather recently if you do some research....so don't tell me racism isn't a factor. Ask and or research Lee Elder and a few others...and how much misery they went through as early as the late 70's!

HERE'S A LINK FOR YA....... http://www.usgtf.com/articles/summer09/page08.html

As the 1980's gave way to a new decade, discrimination against black golfers reared its ugly head again in 1990, during the PGA Championship held at Shoal Creek Golf Club in Birmingham, Alabama. Asked why Shoal Creek didn't have any black members, owner Hall Thompson replied, "That just isn't done in Birmingham," along with several other controversial remarks. After a firestorm of negative publicity, including some television sponsors pulling their advertising, Thompson relented and admitted a black member that very week.

That was the mind set in 1990! So let's not be naive here peeps. Tiger cheated on his wife. He's gonna be despised for it. But truth is....he was despised by a lot of backward ass country rednecks....long before the story broke....and we all know it.

Cuz nothing worse then a black kid...kicking the **** out of the game like he owns it.....

Tiger screwed up. No doubt. No excuses on m end either.

But he didn't rape, rob, or steal...........and yet those athletes mentioned above.....are getting cheered from making slam dunks for the Lakers now et al.

Hypocrisy at it's finest....or worst.

Tiger is a victim of bad bad judgement....but he's also the victim of being too damn good in a sport that really would prefer his skin was white.

Be careful what you wish for....media.....cuz you might just find out rather quickly just how little interest golf is gonna have now in terms of ratings....because the fact remains...Tiger is the biggest draw of all time...period.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasVince

Amazing how Pete Rose can admit to gambling on baseball and pretty much gets a pass.

Kobe Bryant may or may not have raped a woman.

Boxer Roberto Duran....."quit" and said "no mas" in his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard.

Mike Tyson actually was convicted of rape...though I'm still not sure he was guilty.

4 members of Tennessee University Foot Ball Team....just go charged for armed robbery! But hey....it's all about tiger in the press!

And yet in most of the above examples.....these "criminals" actually got a pass and forgiven...for acts I personally find far more offensive then what Tiger Woods did.

Truth is.....golf is old school. There are a lot of people who didn't like Tiger long before the latest scandal for the simple reason he was too damn good at a game no one but him has been able to dominate.

His skin color doesn't help his cause either....and anyone who don't believe that.....aint living in the real world.

Black golfers were barely allowed to play.....up until rather recently if you do some research....so don't tell me racism isn't a factor. Ask and or research Lee Elder and a few others...and how much misery they went through as early as the late 70's!

Cuz nothing worse then a black kid...kicking the **** out of the game like he owns it.....

Tiger screwed up. No doubt. No excuses on m end either.

But he didn't rape, rob, or steal...........and yet those athletes mentioned above.....are getting cheered from making slam dunks for the Lakers now et al.

Hypocrisy at it's finest....or worst.

Tiger is a victim of bad bad judgement....but he's also the victim of being too damn good in a sport that really would prefer his skin was white.

Be careful what you wish for....media.....cuz you might just find out rather quickly just how little interest golf is gonna have now in terms of ratings....because the fact remains...Tiger is the biggest draw of all time...period.

xxx Vegas Vince

Vince, you bring up a lot of good points. As for the rest of those guys, I
have no respect for them either and don't believe anybody should just
get a pass. You pay for your crime and then, after you've served your
sentence, you're allowed to come back and play.

Problem is, what's the sentence for infidelity?

I don't know the answer to that. As far as I'm concerned, Tiger can still
play golf as he hasn't broken any laws other than the laws of God.

But then there is that perception from the media, the fans and the
sponsors.

In a nutshell, if the sponsors believe that endorsing him is bad for their
image, they won't. And as you can see, many have already dropped him.

The media certainly can't support him because that would mean
supporting adultery.

But the fans?

This is the hard read Vince. You can see here that many people don't
give a rat's ass that he cheated on his wife. To them, he's only a golfer
and the one thing has nothing to do with the other...let him play.

I agree on the "let him play" part. I have no problem with him playing golf
if he wants to. He himself has decided to quit.

I simply don't have as much respect for him as a person as I used to. And
I would feel that way about anybody, even if they were just a truck
driver. Infidelity isn't just a sin because you're a celebrity. It's a sin if
you're a human being...period. If one of my friends cheated on his wife, I
would lose respect for them.

But I agree with you on so many of the things you've pointed out, how
we're quick to forgive some but not others.

And as far as golf needing Tiger, dead on the mark. When he doesn't play,
the game, as far as popularity goes, suffers big time. Remember, this
man is chasing Nicholas. If you think Federer and Sampras was big, you
ain't seen nothing until Tiger gets close to those 18 majors...which now
he might never do.

And who knows how long it will be before we get another golfer who will
be so dominant. I doubt it will be in my lifetime.

So all around, this is just one big loss for everybody.

And it sucks.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

As far as I'm concerned, Tiger can still
play golf as he hasn't broken any laws other than the laws of God.

Except maybe "He could be charged with patronizing a prostitute, a misdemeanor in New York"
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14 years ago

I heard an interesting comment on this subject today. According to an attorney being interviewed, Tiger Woods has broken no laws - and the interviewer asked "will this scandal damage Tiger woods career over the long term".

The lawyers' answer was :

There are only two scandals that are guaranteed to bring down a politician or a sports hero...

1. A boy is involved
2. The girl is dead

Thinking back to scandals over the years - he's right.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I heard an interesting comment on this subject today. According to an attorney being interviewed, Tiger Woods has broken no laws - and the interviewer asked "will this scandal damage Tiger woods career over the long term".

The lawyers' answer was :

There are only two scandals that are guaranteed to bring down a politician or a sports hero...

1. A boy is involved
2. The girl is dead

Thinking back to scandals over the years - he's right.

# 2 didn't bring down Ted Kennedy. But I guess there are exceptions to
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasVince

Amazing how Pete Rose can admit to gambling on baseball and pretty much gets a pass.

Kobe Bryant may or may not have raped a woman.

Boxer Roberto Duran....."quit" and said "no mas" in his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard.

Mike Tyson actually was convicted of rape...though I'm still not sure he was guilty.

4 members of Tennessee University Foot Ball Team....just go charged for armed robbery! But hey....it's all about tiger in the press!

And yet in most of the above examples.....these "criminals" actually got a pass and forgiven...for acts I personally find far more offensive then what Tiger Woods did.

Truth is.....golf is old school. There are a lot of people who didn't like Tiger long before the latest scandal for the simple reason he was too damn good at a game no one but him has been able to dominate.

His skin color doesn't help his cause either....and anyone who don't believe that.....aint living in the real world.

Black golfers were barely allowed to play.....up until rather recently if you do some research....so don't tell me racism isn't a factor. Ask and or research Lee Elder and a few others...and how much misery they went through as early as the late 70's!

HERE'S A LINK FOR YA....... Golf Teaching Pros: Teachers for Golfers

As the 1980's gave way to a new decade, discrimination against black golfers reared its ugly head again in 1990, during the PGA Championship held at Shoal Creek Golf Club in Birmingham, Alabama. Asked why Shoal Creek didn't have any black members, owner Hall Thompson replied, "That just isn't done in Birmingham," along with several other controversial remarks. After a firestorm of negative publicity, including some television sponsors pulling their advertising, Thompson relented and admitted a black member that very week.

That was the mind set in 1990! So let's not be naive here peeps. Tiger cheated on his wife. He's gonna be despised for it. But truth is....he was despised by a lot of backward ass country rednecks....long before the story broke....and we all know it.

Cuz nothing worse then a black kid...kicking the **** out of the game like he owns it.....

Tiger screwed up. No doubt. No excuses on m end either.

But he didn't rape, rob, or steal...........and yet those athletes mentioned above.....are getting cheered from making slam dunks for the Lakers now et al.

Hypocrisy at it's finest....or worst.

Tiger is a victim of bad bad judgement....but he's also the victim of being too damn good in a sport that really would prefer his skin was white.

Be careful what you wish for....media.....cuz you might just find out rather quickly just how little interest golf is gonna have now in terms of ratings....because the fact remains...Tiger is the biggest draw of all time...period.

xxx Vegas Vince

Yes, discrimination against non-whites in golf mirrored what went on in American society and the super redneck crowd is not gana like anyone who is not one of them - for anything and in anyway.

but...

I don't think racism is a big factor in the coverage of Tiger.

Sure, there are some super die-hard racists remaining in and out of the media and when Tiger broke on the scene he also threatened the golf order in many ways.

But the coverage of Tiger's problem is driven by our "tear down a celebrity" culture and it will try to destroy anyone that makes a mistake.

- The powers that be in golf are certainly not crazy enough to want this debacle for their big meal ticket.

Of course, in the beginning of the Tiger story, there was a lot of resentment etc. from some/ a lot of them - but now??

- The media in general ( typified by outfits like TMZ ) will cover and embellish anything and anyone that they feel will get eyeballs and ongoing content for them.

How many ways can they re-purpose this content???

So we have quite a few conflict of interests at work in this situation.

Tiger can come back to the golf course anytime he's ready to face the music.

I have a feeling N*k* will support him even if he kills someone on national TV in front of millions but other sponsors won't want to work with him in the future.

In terms of buckeroos, this is probably at least a 500 million dollar mistake by Tiger.

But from everything I think I know about the society we live in, Tiger can join the tour anytime he's ready.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasVince

Amazing how Pete Rose can admit to gambling on baseball and pretty much gets a pass.

Kobe Bryant may or may not have raped a woman.

Boxer Roberto Duran....."quit" and said "no mas" in his rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard.

Mike Tyson actually was convicted of rape...though I'm still not sure he was guilty.

4 members of Tennessee University Foot Ball Team....just go charged for armed robbery! But hey....it's all about tiger in the press!

And yet in most of the above examples.....these "criminals" actually got a pass and forgiven...for acts I personally find far more offensive then what Tiger Woods did.

Truth is.....golf is old school. There are a lot of people who didn't like Tiger long before the latest scandal for the simple reason he was too damn good at a game no one but him has been able to dominate.

His skin color doesn't help his cause either....and anyone who don't believe that.....aint living in the real world.

Black golfers were barely allowed to play.....up until rather recently if you do some research....so don't tell me racism isn't a factor. Ask and or research Lee Elder and a few others...and how much misery they went through as early as the late 70's!

HERE'S A LINK FOR YA....... Golf Teaching Pros: Teachers for Golfers

As the 1980's gave way to a new decade, discrimination against black golfers reared its ugly head again in 1990, during the PGA Championship held at Shoal Creek Golf Club in Birmingham, Alabama. Asked why Shoal Creek didn't have any black members, owner Hall Thompson replied, "That just isn't done in Birmingham," along with several other controversial remarks. After a firestorm of negative publicity, including some television sponsors pulling their advertising, Thompson relented and admitted a black member that very week.

That was the mind set in 1990! So let's not be naive here peeps. Tiger cheated on his wife. He's gonna be despised for it. But truth is....he was despised by a lot of backward ass country rednecks....long before the story broke....and we all know it.

Cuz nothing worse then a black kid...kicking the **** out of the game like he owns it.....

Tiger screwed up. No doubt. No excuses on m end either.

But he didn't rape, rob, or steal...........and yet those athletes mentioned above.....are getting cheered from making slam dunks for the Lakers now et al.

Hypocrisy at it's finest....or worst.

Tiger is a victim of bad bad judgement....but he's also the victim of being too damn good in a sport that really would prefer his skin was white.

Be careful what you wish for....media.....cuz you might just find out rather quickly just how little interest golf is gonna have now in terms of ratings....because the fact remains...Tiger is the biggest draw of all time...period.

xxx Vegas Vince

Sorry Vince, but I disagree with most of your examples. Kobe is the only one on the list that cultivated a "squeaky clean" image, soley for the ability to build corporate sponsorships.

And this is what Tiger has done from Day 1, along with Nike, is to build an image of a "good guy". Tiger has profited from this to the tune of almost $1 Billion in sponsorshipds.

Then we find out it was all a hoax. And unlike Kobe, it wasn't an isolated instance. Other woman kept coming out of the woodwork, keeping the sotry in the news.

There's nothing wrong with being a "bad boy", like Charles Barkley, but Barkely has been true to his image. Tyson is the same.

I never respected either Tiger or Michale Jordan all that much as people, as they never took a stand for anything that really mattered, instead always toeing the corporate line...In Jordan's own words, "Rebulicans buy shoes too".

They've both became extremely wealthy, to the point of building a legacy that will ensure their kids and grand kids will be wealthy, all building a fake "goody-goody" image.

Let's compare Tiger and Jordan to Jim Brown and Ali...Brown and Ali did what they felt was right, even if controversial and it would hurt their pocketbooks. The only commercial I can remember Ali ever doing is the Decon roach spray. On the other hand, Jordan and Tiger sold out, bowing down to the all-mightly dollar.

Also, we're in the begining of the scandal. Tiger will take some time off, come back and dominate golf again. He will be forgiven by 95% of golf fans. He may never totally regain all of his endorsements, but so what, he'll have to learn to live on 100's of millions of dollars, instead of another billion.

Simply, if you brand youself as a bad boy, you can be a bad boy. But you can't pretend to be a good boy, then have secrets revealed that you're really a bad boy...No one likes a fake.

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swilliams09

14 years ago

He should have pulled a George Clooney. Not get married in the first place.

I think he should just take a little vacation, get out of the country...let it blow over, let the golf ratings drop (which is really the point, he brings eyeballs to the screen and for the love of the almighty dollar all WILL be forgiven, ask Mike Vick). And come back in a year or two, contrite and humble and play some great golf and he'll be back on top. He won't ever have the same rep, but he will picks sponsors back up. As big as this seems, he can and will survive this if he's smart.

Also...while hes away...its time to divorce the wife. He doesn't want to be a married man and he's rich enough not to have to be one. He should keep up a good front until he can get the hell outta dodge. Then quietly negotiate his divorce.

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benjovi

14 years ago

Tiger just a victim by media. He's a good guy, a family man. He will resume like previous day very soon. Be Strong Tiger!

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14 years ago

I agree benjovi ... Hell come back ..

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J Bold

14 years ago

Tiger Woods Schmiger Woods. Just another example of the press covering ad nauseum things I do not really care about and would rather not know.

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Dave Patterson

14 years ago

"Problem is, what's the sentence for infidelity?"

When caught, you've already tried, convicted, and sentenced yourself. Especially if you remain with the one you cheated on.

Infidelity creates a wound in a relationship that NEVER heals completely.

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VegasVince

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dave Patterson

"Problem is, what's the sentence for infidelity?"

When caught, you've already tried, convicted, and sentenced yourself. Especially if you remain with the one you cheated on.

Infidelity creates a wound in a relationship that NEVER heals completely.

Very true. I'm not condoning Tiger. As one of his biggest fans...I'm truly disappointed.

But then again....a legend like Frank Sinatra.....was never punished the way this guy has been.....and believe me...the Chairman Of The Board...was famous for infidelity.

Sinatra almost wore it like a badge of honor...and even the alleged "mob ties" never got him the type of beating that Tiger is taking.

I hope Tiger retires for good. If the golf media can't let it go...then they deserve to cover the ham and eggers on the tour who couldn't sell a ticket to save their lives...and we know it.

The very media that made sure the world knew every dirty little secret of his personal life....are going to find out fast that ratings are going to sink faster then the titanic.

Cuz let's be honest.....even the PGA tour knows....that if you don't beat the best in the world...it aint the same. If you don't beat Tiger....it aint the same.

There is a reason that Tiger is getting the massive press he's getting now....and I continue to believe it has a lot more to do with his "greatness on the golf coure".....then people giving a **** about he wife he betrayed...

They build you up...the bring you down.

In this case...Tiger did both on his own.....except the media didn't win the 14 majors did they?

Maybe that's the problem. They media didn't create Tiger Woods....his own drive, and skill did that.

He was the greatest who played the game....he didn't need he media to spin that....his greatness spoke louder then any press clipping.

Now....he has fallen...and they are quick to make this personal issue between him and his family a front page tabloid affair.

Interesting. One that I suspect ....as does John Daly......that golf as we know it might just die without Tiger. He's quite possibly right. Ratings don't lie....the numbers don't lie...when Tiger aint involved...numbers drop rapidly and that's the truth....and has been the truth for a decade.

And the reason the paydays are so great.....is directly attributed to Tiger Woods...and everybody knows it.

With that said...I've spend a lifetime looking for the perfect chick. If I find her...I truly intend to keep "it" in my pants.

xxx Vegas Vince

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14 years ago

He is the masterof his own destiny and actually is human.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Vince,

Great points in your post, but a comment on Pete Rose...

He was not "forgiven" to the same degree as others. He has not since, and will never again work in baseball, nor ever get into the hall of fame.

That ain't forgiveness

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Vince,

Great points in your post, but a comment on Pete Rose...

He was not "forgiven" to the same degree as others. He has not since, and will never again work in baseball, nor ever get into the hall of fame.

That ain't forgiveness

Let's me clear here. Tiger Woods cheated on his wife. That's wrong. Then again.....a former Swedish Nanny might just be happier then a "a punk in prision"....cuz she might just get paid well for Tiger's bad judgement as a man. I am pretty sure the lawyers have her number.

Pete Rose? Please? Do not compare the two.

Last time I checked....Tiger Wood wasn't betting on golf.

Tiger Woods wasn't betting on baseball either.....calling his "bookie" in the dug out during games...to place bets....and never taking responsibility for it until YEARS AFTER THE FACT---

WHEN THE EVIDENCE WAS SO OVER WHELMING--- HE FIGURED HE MIGHT AS WELL FESS UP....AND GET PAID.

(So years after denial...and I mean years after the fact...Pete Rose came clean....to sell a book!)

Pete Rose was a great ball player.....but to compare what he did to Tiger--- is comparing appless to rotten apples.

Reminded me a lot of OJ Simpson's Book "If I Had Done it..." Slimy. Oh yeah....wasn't aware Tiger murdered anyone either!

Tiger didn't spend years denying his sins either did he? And his "coming clean" is costing him millions.

Pete Rose came "clean"....years after the fact.....and he made money off it...via book sales and autograph appearances etc. And you people know it...if you know the story.

There's a big difference between the two.

Pete Rose fessed up years later....in order to sell a "book." That's the truth.

FYI.....Tiger did not engage in criminal behavior....and I am amazed we can even compare the two individuals.

At least Tiger came clean.

Pete Rose milked his "innocence" for years....and any true sports fan knows it....he dishonored the integrity of sports....Tiger dishonored his wife. But one came clean....one turned it into a marketing strategy. And tell me I'm wrong!

While Pete's accomplishments merit a trip to the Hall of Fame.... the ******* bet on baseball....in a dugout....managing a frigging baseball team.

And yet today....Pete Rose is still spun as a victim...a degenerate "gambler" who made a mistake. Charlie Hustle still gets "cheered."

Tiger is vilified because he was TOO DAMN PERFECT.....FOR A SEGMENT OF SOCIETY WHO STILL CLINGS TO MEMORIES OF ARNOLD PALMER....and JACK...guys who were good...and great even... but not as great as Tiger...and I've heard enough rednecks in this town to know that Tiger isn't blessed with the right "complextion" for their taste....especially when it comes to a "white man's game."

And all these johnny come lately PGA golfers who wanna rip apart Tiger now that he's hit rock bottom....I would remind you'se second rate hacker....that maybe you should have whipped Tiger's ass on the golf course where it mattered.

But you couldn't....because his level of play and determination was way beyond the rest of the field. And you also might want to thank Tiger for the reason some of you second rate golfer are competing for the million dollars purses now available.

Just like Ali did for Boxing PayDays...Tiger did for golf. Funny how the haters come out of the woods now.....and how ironic it's the same guys Tiger whipped ass on repeatedly for the last decade. Tell me that's a "coincidence." LOL.

And while Tiger Woods might not ever be a guy I look up to.....he was the best in the world....a dominate force in a cruel game that he managed to tame. He's still the best in the world....and any tourney without him comes with an BIG GIANT ASTERISK ....CUZ IF YOU WANNA BE THE MAN....YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN. PERIOD.

So let's all forgive Pete Rose for being a degenerate, scum bag gambler who bet on the very sport he was a part of....cuz he was "charlie hustle."

And continue to vilify Tiger.....because even the greatest of all time....is human.

Sheep love this story.....cuz it makes them feel good about their own wasted lives and talent.

Tiger at least can say he was the best in the world at something. More then most of us will ever say.

So let the fans cheer Pete Rose for sins that affected the integrity of the very game he represented and tarnished....and let's lynch Tiger for screwing around on his wife.

Wow! Am I only the one here who see the blatant hypocrisy?

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Vince,

Some day you'll need to show me where in my 5 sentence reply I made any comparison between the two, or said anything about whether Pete Rose SHOULD be forgiven. Interesting interpretation you made...

I didn't fully read past your first couple of paragraphs ...way too much text for this time of night - LOL.

And frankly, not necessary. I wasn't comparing the two. Simply commenting on your comment. You said he was forgiven. I said he wasn't. Period - end of sentence.

I was not arguing or commenting on any merits, crimes or other wise. Never even said he deserved forgiveness. Just nitpicking your statement. :rolleyes:

Personally, I could care less about Tiger, Rose or any other person who does this stuff to themselves. I said this many times...

"I have NO sympathy for self-inflicted wounds" - no matter if they are legal, moral or both.

Hope I was clearer this time

Mike

Originally Posted by VegasVince

Let's me clear here. Tiger Woods cheated on his wife. That's wrong. Then again.....a former Swedish Nanny might just be happier then a "a punk in prision"....cuz she might just get paid well for Tiger's bad judgement as a man. I am pretty sure the lawyers have her number.

Pete Rose? Please? Do not compare the two.

Last time I checked....Tiger Wood wasn't betting on golf.

Tiger Woods wasn't betting on baseball either.....calling his "bookie" in the dug out during games...to place bets....and never taking responsibility for it until YEARS AFTER THE FACT---

WHEN THE EVIDENCE WAS SO OVER WHELMING--- HE FIGURED HE MIGHT AS WELL FESS UP....AND GET PAID.

(So years after denial...and I mean years after the fact...Pete Rose came clean....to sell a book!)

Pete Rose was a great ball player.....but to compare what he did to Tiger--- is comparing appless to rotten apples.

Reminded me a lot of OJ Simpson's Book "If I Had Done it..." Slimy. Oh yeah....wasn't aware Tiger murdered anyone either!

Tiger didn't spend years denying his sins either did he? And his "coming clean" is costing him millions.

Pete Rose came "clean"....years after the fact.....and he made money off it...via book sales and autograph appearances etc. And you people know it...if you know the story.

There's a big difference between the two.

Pete Rose fessed up years later....in order to sell a "book." That's the truth.

FYI.....Tiger did not engage in criminal behavior....and I am amazed we can even compare the two individuals.

At least Tiger came clean.

Pete Rose milked his "innocence" for years....and any true sports fan knows it....he dishonored the integrity of sports....Tiger dishonored his wife. But one came clean....one turned it into a marketing strategy. And tell me I'm wrong!

While Pete's accomplishments merit a trip to the Hall of Fame.... the ******* bet on baseball....in a dugout....managing a frigging baseball team.

And yet today....Pete Rose is still spun as a victim...a degenerate "gambler" who made a mistake. Charlie Hustle still gets "cheered."

Tiger is vilified because he was TOO DAMN PERFECT.....FOR A SEGMENT OF SOCIETY WHO STILL CLINGS TO MEMORIES OF ARNOLD PALMER....and JACK...guys who were good...and great even... but not as great as Tiger...and I've heard enough rednecks in this town to know that Tiger isn't blessed with the right "complextion" for their taste....especially when it comes to a "white man's game."

And all these johnny come lately PGA golfers who wanna rip apart Tiger now that he's hit rock bottom....I would remind you'se second rate hacker....that maybe you should have whipped Tiger's ass on the golf course where it mattered.

But you couldn't....because his level of play and determination was way beyond the rest of the field. And you also might want to thank Tiger for the reason some of you second rate golfer are competing for the million dollars purses now available.

Just like Ali did for Boxing PayDays...Tiger did for golf. Funny how the haters come out of the woods now.....and how ironic it's the same guys Tiger whipped ass on repeatedly for the last decade. Tell me that's a "coincidence." LOL.

And while Tiger Woods might not ever be a guy I look up to.....he was the best in the world....a dominate force in a cruel game that he managed to tame. He's still the best in the world....and any tourney without him comes with an BIG GIANT ASTERISK ....CUZ IF YOU WANNA BE THE MAN....YOU GOTTA BEAT THE MAN. PERIOD.

So let's all forgive Pete Rose for being a degenerate, scum bag gambler who bet on the very sport he was a part of....cuz he was "charlie hustle."

And continue to vilify Tiger.....because even the greatest of all time....is human.

Sheep love this story.....cuz it makes them feel good about their own wasted lives and talent.

Tiger at least can say he was the best in the world at something. More then most of us will ever say.

So let the fans cheer Pete Rose for sins that affected the integrity of the very game he represented and tarnished....and let's lynch Tiger for screwing around on his wife.

Wow! Am I only the one here who see the blatant hypocrisy?

xxx Vegas Vince
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VegasVince

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Vince,

Some day you'll need to show me where in my 5 sentence reply I made any comparison between the two, or said anything about whether Pete Rose SHOULD be forgiven. Interesting interpretation you made...

I didn't fully read past your first couple of paragraphs ...way too much text for this time of night - LOL.

And frankly, not necessary. I wasn't comparing the two. Simply commenting on your comment. You said he was forgiven. I said he wasn't. Period - end of sentence.

I was not arguing or commenting on any merits, crimes or other wise. Never even said he deserved forgiveness. Just nitpicking your statement. :rolleyes:

Personally, I could care less about Tiger, Rose or any other person who does this stuff to themselves. I said this many times...

"I have NO sympathy for self-inflicted wounds" - no matter if they are legal, moral or both.

Hope I was clearer this time

Mike

Yo Mike......was NOt referring to you'se anyway, bro. If I was....you know me...I would have callled you out by name.

lol.

It's all good.

I agree with you....self inflicted wounds aint a concern of mine either.....my point is the fact that some athlete's get "passes" for sins far greater then "others" who have done far worse.

With that said....I live vicariously through myself......unlike my poor dad who lives and dies via the Detroit Lions.....

Peace, bro.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasVince

With that said....I live vicariously through myself......unlike my poor dad who lives and dies via the Detroit Lions.....

LOL - Ouch.

That's about as bad as being a Mets fan (which I am).

I feel his pain...

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VegasVince

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

LOL - Ouch.

That's about as bad as being a Mets fan (which I am).

I feel his pain...

Good God the Mets......didn't the actor Harvey Keitel end up getting "whacked" at the end of the movie "BAD Lieutenant" because he kept betting and doubling up on the Mets?

Ouch is right.

lol.

Peace

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TimPhelan

14 years ago

Yeh, I think he was especially upset at Strawberry. I love that movie. One of Keitel's best.

Originally Posted by VegasVince

Good God the Mets......didn't the actor Harvey Keitel end up getting "whacked" at the end of the movie "BAD Lieutenant" because he kept betting and doubling up on the Mets?

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasVince

Good God the Mets......didn't the actor Harvey Keitel end up getting "whacked" at the end of the movie "BAD Lieutenant" because he kept betting and doubling up on the Mets?

Ouch is right.

lol.

Peace

xxx Vinnie

What can I say - I am a glutton for punishment. Been a fan since about 1973. Believe it or not, I am a Yankee fan too. Since about 1973

But when the 2 play, I root for the Mets.

Originally Posted by TimPhelan

Yeh, I think he was especially upset at Strawberry. I love that movie. One of Keitel's best.

I agree. Just saw that recently too.

They're making some sort of follow up or something - Bad Lieutenant: Port Of Call New Orleans. No Keitel - But Nicolas Cage and Val Kilmer are in it.

The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans (2009)

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasVince

While Pete's accomplishments merit a trip to the Hall of Fame.... the ******* bet on baseball....in a dugout....managing a frigging baseball team.

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I've always wondered what people's gripe is with Rose. He was betting on his team. How could that possibly influence the purity of the game? Its not like he could so something 'underhanded' to make his team play better and win and make his money.

Now if he would have been betting against his team...then there is the possibility he could fix the game by making purposeful crappy managerial calls.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

I've always wondered what people's gripe is with Rose. He was betting on his team. How could that possibly influence the purity of the game? Its not like he could so something 'underhanded' to make his team play better and win and make his money.

Now if he would have been betting against his team...then there is the possibility he could fix the game by making purposeful crappy managerial calls.

I think maybe the issue here is how does anyone know he DIDN'T bet against his own team? Because he says so?

No credibility.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

I think maybe the issue here is how does anyone know he DIDN'T bet against his own team? Because he says so?

No credibility.

But unless he did something during that time...calling some kind of odd strategy that caused a loss or can be linked to it, what could he really know that anyone who follows teams close enough to bet on them wouldnt know? Injury reports, trading reports, stats are all public information that anyone can pickup, so its not like he has some kind of insider information.

My point being that even if he did bet against the reds, he's just like any other better. Its not until he actually does something that influences the natural outcome of the game while wearing a managers uniform does it seem to become illegal.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

My point being that even if he did bet against the reds, he's just like any other better. Its not until he actually does something that influences the natural outcome of the game while wearing a managers uniform does it seem to become illegal.

This may be true, but people's objections are, how do we know he didn't?

Even if he did it only one time, it's one time too many.

There is no way to PROVE his innocence.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

This may be true, but people's objections are, how do we know he didn't?

Even if he did it only one time, it's one time too many.

There is no way to PROVE his innocence.

But wouldnt you be able to look at the games and see? I would think that if people really wanted to know if he's innocent, all you would have to do is go back and look at the games when he was managing, and see if there is anything out of line.

For instance, if he bet against the reds, well the only way he could really assure himself a win would be to do things during the game that would mess the reds up. take out certain key players, make managerial calls that would be blatantly counter-productive.

If he was just doing his job as normal, then I would think that even if he did bet against them, he has the same information that any other better would have to make a decision on where to place his money. If its not illegal for them, why should it be for him?

I believe pete should be in the hall of fame. just my .02

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Kurt

14 years ago

PS...I do agree with Vince and others that this shouldn't be on the news...It should be confined to the celebrity/gossip/sports shows. The "news" should be left to events that affect our lives directly...Things have sure changed.

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14 years ago

Nah. I wouldn`t be so sorry about him.
I`m pretty much sure he`ll be able to handle it.

There are so many people around whose misery we don`t even notice.

I would like to point to what Henry Clay said:
"Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character."

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

I think that he should fall off the earth for a bit. He's got enough money to live more than comfortable just about anywhere on the planet. He should go live life somewhere semi-remote for a while, make it harder for the media to be up his butt 24-7. I dont think it will take long for the golf world to miss his presence.

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14 years ago

As my Grandaddy used to tell me: You burn your bum, YOU sit on the blister!

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myob 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Val.S.

As my Grandaddy used to tell me: You burn your bum, YOU sit on the blister!

My granddaddy used to say: When you find a nice warm bun for your hot dog then you should stay together.
He was married for 76 years.
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14 years ago

He did such a great job of fooling everybody,
he even fooled himself.

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JamesBone777

14 years ago

To err is human,,,to forgive is divine.Yeah Tiger is only human...prone to make mistakes..I guess thats why they put an eraser in a pencil...delete and correct..

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NicheCowboy

14 years ago

If Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson can get past affairs and marital indescretions, i'm sure an athelete can too.

Guy's a billionaire. don't feel too sorry for him.

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14 years ago

Funny thread ... LOL

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14 years ago

Actually most of the evidence and later autopsy reports indicated Hughes went mental due to head injuries from the several crashes he was in.

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SellItLikeItIs

14 years ago

Tiger is a Cheetah who has been Lion for years....

Sorry, I couldn't resist....

And I think he will come out of it just fine...He has big time money and even if the wife gets half he has more money that most will ever see in a lifetime.

Personal opinion he is a dog and doesn't deserve to win back any public respect...He had 16 women on the side! That is a man who is a habitual cheater and womanizer.

It isn't like he can say, "I made a mistake that is sooo out of of character for me.....I got drunk one night and...."

Nope, he is a dog all the way and he won't change.

Hope it hurts, Tiger. Arrogant, selfish a$$$

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Kay King

14 years ago

I've always wondered what people's gripe is with Rose.

I was thinking the Rose scandal is more like this current Woods outing than most would think. I'm from the Cincinnati area and remember how furious the fans were with Pete Rose because he let them down.

Pete Rose was "mr baseball" - quick to criticize anyone who violated the spirit of the game. The charge was that he bet on 52 Reds games while he was manager for the team.

For over 6 years, Rose did not admit to what he had done - but finally he did tell the truth (or part of it). That caused years of conjecture as to how long the betting had been happening and whether it was going on when he played the game. I think the long term effect was caused partly by the refusal of Rose to be honest about what happened.

In both cases, you have someone "squeaky clean" who "is an icon for the sport" - with feet of clay. In Roses's case what he did was not only against sports rules but was against the law, too. Rose agreed to a lifetime ban from baseball. He could reapply but over the years it hasn't worked for him.

For both Woods and Rose - the fact that they had created such clean images only made the negative reaction that much worse. Let's face it - there are many sports heros who could be outed for massive infidelity and the reaction would be "not surprised". We don't like being surprised and when someone idolized in the sport takes a fall, they have farther to fall.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I was thinking the Rose scandal is more like this current Woods outing than most would think. I'm from the Cincinnati area and remember how furious the fans were with Pete Rose because he let them down.

Pete Rose was "mr baseball" - quick to criticize anyone who violated the spirit of the game. The charge was that he bet on 52 Reds games while he was manager for the team.

For over 6 years, Rose did not admit to what he had done - but finally he did tell the truth (or part of it). That caused years of conjecture as to how long the betting had been happening and whether it was going on when he played the game. I think the long term effect was caused partly by the refusal of Rose to be honest about what happened.

In both cases, you have someone "squeaky clean" who "is an icon for the sport" - with feet of clay. In Roses's case what he did was not only against sports rules but was against the law, too. Rose agreed to a lifetime ban from baseball. He could reapply but over the years it hasn't worked for him.

For both Woods and Rose - the fact that they had created such clean images only made the negative reaction that much worse. Let's face it - there are many sports heros who could be outed for massive infidelity and the reaction would be "not surprised". We don't like being surprised and when someone idolized in the sport takes a fall, they have farther to fall.

kay

I'm from just north of cincy and was a major fan back in the days of the big red machine. Pete and Johnny bench were my heroes

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14 years ago

He just a human like all others! He's still the best at golf!

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

There is no illuminati.

If there were a super secret society, do you really think some retard with a blog site or a yahoo page is going to be the person privy to such information?

Would a super secret society let information about their super secret society leak out to morons that would blast it all over the internet? Wouldnt that sort of defeat the pupose of being a super secret society?

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

There is no illuminati.

If there were a super secret society, do you really think some retard with a blog site or a yahoo page is going to be the person privy to such information?

Would a super secret society let information about their super secret society leak out to morons that would blast it all over the internet? Wouldnt that sort of defeat the pupose of being a super secret society?

With all the weirdos and fame seeking idiots out there that could be a possibility, however, I will keep an open mind, and be ready just in case, only cuz of your opinion and reasoning!

I mean that's what BFF's are for, right?

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

There is no illuminati.

If there were a super secret society, do you really think some retard with a blog site or a yahoo page is going to be the person privy to such information?

Would a super secret society let information about their super secret society leak out to morons that would blast it all over the internet? Wouldnt that sort of defeat the pupose of being a super secret society?

Skulls and Bones is a secret society that has contained some very powerful people and they were outed and people post about them now. Branches of Masonry were a secret society and its pretty much known now.

Dirty thing about secrets. People tend not to keep them. Time tends to reveal them. Just saying. Not saying anything about the illuminati in particular because frankly that means different things to different people.

I just think its obvious the mastermind groups are not used just by people in IM especially at levels of power and wealth wee the stakes are MUCH higher.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Skulls and Bones is a secret society that has contained some very powerful people and they were outed and people post about them now. Branches of Masonry were a secret society and its pretty much known now.

Dirty thing about secrets. People tend not to keep them. Time tends to reveal them. Just saying. Not saying anything about the illuminati in particular because frankly that means different things to different people.

I just think its obvious the mastermind groups are not used just by people in IM especially at levels of power and wealth wee the stakes are MUCH higher.

Excellent point!

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Skulls and Bones is a secret society that has contained some very powerful people and they were outed and people post about them now. Branches of Masonry were a secret society and its pretty much known now.

Dirty thing about secrets. People tend not to keep them. Time tends to reveal them. Just saying. Not saying anything about the illuminati in particular because frankly that means different things to different people.

I just think its obvious the mastermind groups are not used just by people in IM especially at levels of power and wealth wee the stakes are MUCH higher.

Skull & Bones was basically a richboy fratclub and its only 'secret' because its in a college that 3/4 of the country will never see and probably couldn't locate on a map.

The 'Illuminati' that people talk of today as a 'secret society' doesn't exist. It is kept alive by conspiracy theorists and active imaginations. Back around the mid 1700's in Barvaria there were a group lf people, writers, some leaders and many intellectuals that sort of grouped together, as was common in those days to exchange ideas, sort of a thinkgroup. People of europe thought that this was somehow going to lead to the overthrow of european governments and not long after that, they were banned and faded into history.

Since then, the concept of the Illuminati has been revived by the same group of people that believe explosives were planted in the twin towers and we didnt land on the moon as a way to explain their unexplainable. 'well of course there was a grassy knoll gunman, you just dont know about it because he was part of a super secret society that was actually behind the assasination'. Its easy to theorize the facts of an event when everything you have to back up your theories is smoke and shadows.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Skull & Bones was basically a richboy fratclub and its only 'secret' because its in a college that 3/4 of the country will never see and probably couldn't locate on a map.

The 'Illuminati' that people talk of today as a 'secret society' doesn't exist. It is kept alive by conspiracy theorists and active imaginations. Back around the mid 1700's in Barvaria there were a group lf people, writers, some leaders and many intellectuals that sort of grouped together, as was common in those days to exchange ideas, sort of a thinkgroup. People of europe thought that this was somehow going to lead to the overthrow of european governments and not long after that, they were banned and faded into history.

Since then, the concept of the Illuminati has been revived by the same group of people that believe explosives were planted in the twin towers and we didnt land on the moon as a way to explain their unexplainable. 'well of course there was a grassy knoll gunman, you just dont know about it because he was part of a super secret society that was actually behind the assasination'. Its easy to theorize the facts of an event when everything you have to back up your theories is smoke and shadows.

What??? The earth really is flat?
Just teasin!:p LOL!
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14 years ago

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

I can't see Tiger taking steroids, but then again I didn't think he would have 13 mistresses either.

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- myob 14 years ago
  
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  I can't see Tiger taking steroids, but then again I didn't think he would have 13 mistresses either.
  
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- Michael Motley 14 years ago
  
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  I can't see Tiger taking steroids, but then again I didn't think he would have 13 mistresses either.
  
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Tiger was just named Athlete of the Decade. Yeah, this is just killing his career.

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14 years ago

OK, Anyone that wants to help Tiger should go here...hehehe!
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

amazed would be a better term. 14 women, golf champion, wife, kids...the man has energy.

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14 years ago

i think i just got politely told to shut up...

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myob 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

i think i just got politely told to shut up...

It sure beats having your head bitten off. Trust me on that one.
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  Originally Posted by myob
  
  It sure beats having your head bitten off. Trust me on that one.
  
  Ummm...ummm, what can I say?
  
  Oh, well, just be nice to sick people! and you can keep your head and I'll try to keep mine!:p
  
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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

i think i just got politely told to shut up...

LOL! Michael,

No I wasn't telling you to shut up!

I was saying, I would take your advice into consideration, as you are my WF BFF and asking you politely to leave it at that!

Not quite the samething!

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eflo

14 years ago

Slowly collecting the jokes on the internet...

What's the difference between Tiger Woods and Santa?
Santa stops at three Ho's

...with apologies to Mr. Woods.

Image, schmimage. He's a golfer remember? The job is to fill a hole. He just lost a little focus is all.

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The 13th Warrior

14 years ago

For all the "moralist" it says don't judge least ye be judged.

So you just broken the law right there.

There's no one here that is better "morally" than anyone else, all of us need to work on our own transgressions and hypocrisy.

Self righteous people usually say have scales of transgression in their own mind like, "I was a liar, but at least I am not a thief.

There are no such scales....you are either right or wrong, you stole a few 5 cent candies as a kid but you did not rob a store so you think you have a legitimate excuse or "pass" as to why you think you are better than someone else because "your" bad is not as bad as the other guy.

How lame and self-deceiving.

The "media" is us. Period.

They only "feed" and cover what people want, marketing 101.

I could care less either way about Tiger....he always was and will always be a dude with golf skills, nothing more or less.

People who really care and sit in judgement are usually idol worshippers, whether they admit it or not, perceive it or not, because a true "moralist" puts NO MAN OR WOMAN on a pedestal, whether they call it "admiration" or not, still flesh worshipping.

People are only "examples", lessons to learn from and then move on, because there is not enough lifetimes for what people need to do to improve themselves and bring themselves to a higher standard, free of hypocrisy and self appointed righteous judges.

When, say for example, I watch Muhammad Ali, the thing he simply teaches , by example, is the human possibilities of taking said discipline to another level.

That's all.

And if you don't work hard, break your barriers, improve your body or pugilistic skills in the fighting disciplines, truly take your skills to the next level, and I don't mean in your own mind or delusion, than you are NOT inspired and you have NO ADMIRATION for him, you are a flesh worshipper.

Useless autographs, posters, photos, tee-shirts, pins, buttons, celebrity crap.

I'm am either watching Ali to be a better fighter, see if its adaptable and usable in street fighting, breaking my own barriers or I am just a idol worshipper.

What it should be is the only difference in watching Ali and sitting in a classroom is the learning is more entertaining and inspires slightly more by firing up the imagination of human possibilities OF MYSELF and others.

Its like sitting in a classroom, and rather than learning and mastering the lesson, you sit there with stars in your eyes telling the teacher how great he or she is, marvel at how they explain the lesson, how nice they dress, how smart they are, admire how they write on the board, etc.etc.

People purposely LIVE thru other people as a pasttime.

Rather than take their existence to the unlimited levels it is supposed to be, the set defined parameters of what "good" or "good enough" is, then project their limitations on others in society and its disciplines.

Its a game we play. We look up to someone and have a teen puppydog crush on that person, live thru their accomplishiments, news, gossip and achievements....."yeah, that's MY man", or "thats MY team", or" he's from MY homestate", etc. and we feel good as though his/her accomplishments gets us through our day, like coffee every morning.

We assume some gratification that we , in some way or other, is associated with that persons achievement....how delusional.

But then when they fall, we enjoy putting them down, because now, we can feel "superior" whether morally or other ways, "yeah, he was stupid, I would'nt be that stupid"...we "secretly" delight in their fall, whether consciously or subconsciously because its like rats or crabs that pull others down to their level.

Then we can have an excuse in our life for stalled achievement or action simply because we say "well, if someone like that can fall, money does not matter, he is no better than me".

We get some COMFORT and kicking them when they are down, now , they are just like "us", no better, still creating some association or parallel to our life.

Some admiration is VEILED JEALOUSY , anyhow.

How many of you found you thought this guy was your friend or admirer or confidant, then, when you slipped, you seen THE REAL person, in all their real pathology and social issues?

We can then project our frustrations on the person of our admiration, who should not have been admired in the first place, should have been just simply a natural illustration and milestone of what can be achieved by a human being , thats all, nothing more, nothing less.

So being a celebrity or famous is something one should avoid, simple for the fact that most so-called "admirers" or fans do so insincerely or from the wrong perspective in the first place.....they use you or want something from you or feel some gain by being associated with you....by fans letting others know that they have some affiliation in some small way with a winner, like "M-Y team" nonsence.

People are dying everyday , NEEDLESSLY, based on "others" moral$, why would I care about Tiger?

Most people don't really know themselves , anyway, and go through life with satisfactory acceptable defeat, short comings and most "SETTLE" in life, anyway.

Most know they will never be a millionaire or be famous at some media level, so they sit comfortable in their judgement, hindsight, as to what one should have done.

Most will never get that rich guy or the woman of their dreams, and justify settling by stating things about "inner qualities" and all that nonsense, not that that would be bad, it is done so with insincerity.....just ask "family values" and "contract on america" man, Newt Gingrich, who left his wife while in cancer for some "tender-roni".

That fact that this LIAR/HYPOCRITE and others like him still have a voice, still have organizations that people follow, still commands cash and business deals, still can recruit and have people join something he is involved in, still has access to people's money and trust is a shining example of public hypocrisy, NOT just his.

Unless you , in your life, know what it is like to be a celebrity or wealthy, you DON'T know what you would do if those situations came up to you, you only THINK and suppose you know what you would do.

Unless you can state, for a scientific fact, that in some period in your life, hundreds , if not thousands, of women or men from all walks of life, shape, sizes and colors who are in the 9 and 10 range just consistantly, and I mean consistant without mercy, THREW THEMSELVES at you, making every possible opportunity too easy and uncomplex to be imagined at YOU, you are in no position to KNOW what your reaction would be.

Check all the preachers, politicians and the like, many so called moralist, many had that image for 30 or 40 years or more, until the dirt was leaked.

Why do you think politicians can be in the pocket with all those "back-end" deals with corporations and special interest with not much fear of repercussions from the public or their own colleges?

At some point, when you are up their in celebrity, fame, name recognition, wealth, there are things that come at you that you have NO IDEA was out there, how easy it is, and how constant it comes., how much power you have, how law enforcement and other rules don't necessarily apply to you, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR REACTION WOULD BE, just some moralist speculation of what you would do, because you feel safe at doing so because you figure subconsciously to NEVER to be in that position.

So what you , at a few times in your life, was married and stop cold a few offers.

That does not compare to being constantly assaulted with offers from women, men, money deals, etc. 24-7, even if you are shunning it and not looking for it, its ALWAYS there.

You got NBA players that have bodyguards and security on the road just to keep women who dress up in various disguises to have a momentary access to some player, just for example, so she can get knocked up for a paternity suit or what have you.

I've talked to some women, and secretly, they would contemplate at having a SHOT at a celebrity billionaire.

Armchair General-ing is great, I guess, but until you have actually been shot at numerous times, STAY OUT of the conversion when it comes to taking someones life, or what should have been done, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW what you "would" have done.

If you were truly honest, you would say, "I would HOPE to have the strength and tenacity to do the right thing "IF" I were presented with such situations and circumstances...."

And lets not EVEN get into the conversion of why the average women marry men in the first place...."LOVE"....BBBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHA, really, please...

....since 50% "promised" to love and blah , blah, blah, and get divorced for any number of reasons, then they should really be silent when it comes to talking about defining love and marriage.....and those that are still married, you should shut up too, because you can only "SPECULATE" as to why "so far" things are great, lets not forget just about everyone was where YOU was at BEFORE they got divorced, so P-L-E-A-S-E come down off of MOUNT ZION preaching to the rest of us.

....most people just settle anyway, thats why when people hit that lottery, they get divorced, or when a divorce happens, MONEY IS THE BIG ISSUE, NOT "LOVE".

So, if marriage is truly about "LOVE", then I guess all those guys who built there empires with NO HELP from their wife "LOVES" giving them HALF of what they spent their life building and "LOVE" paying alimony for as long as she lives.

Focus on your self-improving, there's not enough life times and time as to what we need to improve and change about ourselves...,

.....so screw the media and their useless tabloid journalism and as to Tiger, I really don't care either way what happens, what is happening...bounce back better than ever, make up with his wife and alls well, get divorced, lose custody of his kids, divide his wealth in half to her, ruin his public image permanently, lower ratings for golf, never plays golf again, commits suicide...,, really doesn't matter.

The 13th Warrior

"I would'nt want to be Tiger Woods"...., please....most will NEVER get the REAL chance to be where he is so it is easy to make such a cavalier statement....it is proven time and again, when there is a real possibility and almost CERTAINTY that a person can upgrade his/her life to levels they would probably NEVER get on their own, they 9 times out of 10 TAKE IT, despite whatever self-righteous "crap" they been spewin for the last 50 years.

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

For all the "moralist" it says don't judge least ye be judged.

So you just broken the law right there.

The 13th Warrior

I am no longer under the law, but live for the prophecy of the law!

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- The 13th Warrior 14 years ago
  
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  I am no longer under the law, but live for the prophecy of the law!
  
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  The 13th Warrior 14 years ago
  
  The "media" is US.
  
  Because if no one's "buying", no one is selling.
  
  Newspapers are going out of business but People magazines and The Enquirer are moving right along.
  
  Mostly says something about "us", not them.
  
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  The 13th Warrior 14 years ago
  
  The fallacy is looking for leaders.
  
  There are no leaders. NONE are worthy.
  
  There are only examples/milestones of breaking the bounds of possibilities.
  
  Each example is of something good and simultaneously bad of what to do and NOT do.
  
  Once lesson is learned, acted upon and mastered, move on to higher truth and levels.
  
  Quit being a "groupee" or defacto groupee and think for yourself in all disciplines.
  
  The very fact the folks "watch" CNN or FOX to get their information to assess reality is a loss right there on many levels.
  
  They cannot be helped and will not allow it.
  
  Energy should be focused on helping yourself seeing with more clarity, more objectively, breaking your own limitations and weaknesses.
  
  No one, in reality, cannot help someone else, especially if they are not looking for what you are selling.
  
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  Are these the lessons we are just now learning, or was it ever known before? It sure looks like the Tiger's wife is the real tiger and knows better how to handle a golf club.
  
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  Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior
  
  Really?
  
  You make such a statement as though it is a certainty.
  
  In my heart soul and spirit it is, and every one has free choice to believe whatsoever they choose, so we'll leave it at that!
  
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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior

For all the "moralist" it says don't judge least ye be judged.

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"I would'nt want to be Tiger Woods"...., please....most will NEVER get the REAL chance to be where he is so it is easy to make such a cavalier statement....it is proven time and again, when there is a real possibility and almost CERTAINTY that a person can upgrade his/her life to levels they would probably NEVER get on their own, they 9 times out of 10 TAKE IT, despite whatever self-righteous "crap" they been spewin for the last 50 years.

Well, that's 5 minutes of my life I'm not getting back.

Not saying there isn't a lot of truth to some of the things you've said,
but who named you overseer of our hypocrisies?

And for that matter, who gives a crap?

People will be people...get over it.

Sheesh.

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TimPhelan 14 years ago

LOL.

Some people think anyone who watches cable news is a fool/sheep, but if you think the movie Zeitgeist is the truth you are enlightened. Now, that's pretty funny.

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  What...you mean it's not??
  
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ninfanforlife

14 years ago

This just proves that nobody is immune to the media. One minute they love you and later they will turn on you when they seem fit.

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ninfanforlife

This just proves that nobody is immune to the media. One minute they love you and later they will turn on you when they seem fit.

Not just true with media either, we are always standing on that precipice no matter where we are!

Sad but True!

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Tiger recovering from this (at least on a image level) all hinges on his wife. If she stays with him you can bet on seeing an Oprah episode in a year or two with the both of them on the couch holding hands. If she says enough is enough then he is toast and I'm going to bet this even affects his game

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talfighel

14 years ago

I don't think that this is going to be forgotten but it will be off the news sooner or later and Tiger will come back better then ever.

Yeah, maybe his image has been ruined a little but I don't think it is going to hurt him long term.

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