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why do people have these dogs?

no one will take these puppies except the shelter who will promptly put them down.

They can't stay here, but having such cute little puppies snuffed makes me ill.
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Because people are stupid. Every story you hear about a pitbull is how its a violent viscious dog. You dont hear the stories of the pits that are good family dogs, just the ones that drug dealers or hoodrats own that they have made mean since birth.

    for the most part, dogs are dogs, owners make them mean.

    There are some dogs that arent necessarily mean, just stupid or mentally unbalanced. The dogs that come out of puppy mills tend to be a little messed up mentally and physically because they are inbred to infinity
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    • Profile picture of the author Radix
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Because people are stupid. Every story you hear about a pitbull is how its a violent viscious dog. You dont hear the stories of the pits that are good family dogs, just the ones that drug dealers or hoodrats own that they have made mean since birth.

      for the most part, dogs are dogs, owners make them mean.

      There are some dogs that arent necessarily mean, just stupid or mentally unbalanced. The dogs that come out of puppy mills tend to be a little messed up mentally and physically because they are inbred to infinity

      They aren't like normal dogs...not even close. Even as puppies they're more wild than domesticated. I know people who swear they're great pets, but I also know several who have horror stories. It's not even worth the risk as far as I'm concerned.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Radix View Post

        They aren't like normal dogs...not even close. Even as puppies they're more wild than domesticated. I know people who swear they're great pets, but I also know several who have horror stories. It's not even worth the risk as far as I'm concerned.
        It's because agressiveness has been bread into them...Remember, Pete on "Our Gang" and the RCA Victor dog are both pit bulls. They didn't have the reputation back then as the do now... They haven't always been as aggressive as they have been for the last 30-40 years or so.

        Also, you need the right kind of master...Fair, but very firm. They have to really know who the boss is, while respecting their boss. Abuse won't cut it, and neither will a weak owner.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          It's because agressiveness has been bread into them...Remember, Pete on "Our Gang" and the RCA Victor dog are both pit bulls. They didn't have the reputation back then as the do now... They haven't always been as aggressive as they have been for the last 30-40 years or so.

          Also, you need the right kind of master...Fair, but very firm. They have to really know who the boss is, while respecting their boss. Abuse won't cut it, and neither will a weak owner.
          you cant breed aggression.

          You can make something aggressive due to breeding if you keep inbreeding the animal. But if thats the case, its not the fault of the breed, it goes back..again..to the owners/breeders.
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          • Profile picture of the author Radix
            I have to disagree. I did pit bull foster care when I was single. Not by choice, but by accident...much like this situation. Even as puppies their behavior is distinctively different from other breeds. As adults, they may as well be a different species when the mood strikes them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            you cant breed aggression.

            You can make something aggressive due to breeding if you keep inbreeding the animal. But if thats the case, its not the fault of the breed, it goes back..again..to the owners/breeders.
            This is totally false. Aggression is a personality trait and can be selectively bred into dogs. Bull terriers (Spuds Mckenzie) have had almost all their aggression bred out of them, as have German bred Rotties. If you can breed aggression out of a dog, you can breed it into a dog...Simply take the meanest dogs you have, and breed them with other mean dogs. This isn't exactly rocket science.

            Technically, a pit bull isn't a specific breed, but rather a type of dog that includes American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull Terrior.

            But you are correct that some people mistake boxers, bull dogs, etc as pit bulls.
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            • Profile picture of the author Radix
              the american pitbull terrier is recognized by the AKC.

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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              This is totally false. Aggression is a personality trait and can be selectively bred into dogs. Bull terriers (Spuds Mckenzie) have had almost all their aggression bred out of them, as have German bred Rotties. If you can breed aggression out of a dog, you can breed it into a dog...Simply take the meanest dogs you have, and breed them with other mean dogs. This isn't exactly rocket science.

              Technically, a pit bull isn't a specific breed, but rather a type of dog that includes American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull Terrior.

              But you are correct that some people mistake boxers, bull dogs, etc as pit bulls.
              You can't breed a behavior. Your personality (and a dogs personality) is dictated by environment. If you have a dog that is in a warm caring environment, it will be a warm caring dog, if you have dog that is in a violent aggressive environment, it will be a violent aggressive dog.

              You cant breed aggression into or out of anything because its not genetic.

              People who say 'well if you take an aggressive dog, and breed it with another aggressive dog, you will get an aggressive pup' dont understand breeding. You'll get an aggressive pup But you're not getting an aggressive pup because of breeding, but because its in an aggressive environment caused by the other aggressive dogs.

              Take that same pup and put it in an opposite environment and you'll have a completely different dog.

              The only way that breeding has anything to do with the personality of the dog is in physical form. A true PB is a combat-oriented dog. Its physical dimensions have been created through breeding to be condusive to fighting and as such, people treat it that way and encourage the animal to be aggressive. But again, thats not due to the breed, its due to the handler/owner.

              If what you were saying is true, how would you explain all those fighting dogs from the michael vick issue that have been rehab'd and are with familes now? You can't rehab genetics either.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Radix View Post

        They aren't like normal dogs...not even close. Even as puppies they're more wild than domesticated. I know people who swear they're great pets, but I also know several who have horror stories. It's not even worth the risk as far as I'm concerned.
        They are dogs, thats all. If you see one thats 'wild' its probably because its inbred to the point of retardation.

        They are more dangerous not because of their personality, but because of their physical makeup. If you watch a pitbull when it bites, it doesnt just bite, it bites and shakes. They have less bite pressure than a rotty or a shepherd (german) but when they bite their heavily muscled/short body lets them shake violently. Its that shaking that rips flesh when their teeth are dug in.

        Plus 'pit bull' is a wide term nowadays. When attacks are reported and someone says 'it was a pit bull' that could mean a bull terrier, bull mastiff, boxer..etc. because people see short nose, short muscular body and immediately call it a pitbull so the number of reported pitbull attacks isnt really a fair gauge.

        Aggression is a behavior and can be modified. All things being equal (that means that the entity in question is of normal intelligence capacity) aggression occurs due to enviromental influences. If something happens due to environmental influences its not genetic so that whole 'they are violent because its in their blood' argument comes from people who talk without knowing what they are talking about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Because people are stupid. Every story you hear about a pitbull is how its a violent viscious dog.
      It's like piranha. I was watching one of those animal control shows and they were confiscating a guy's piranha. They gave him the spiel that they're "illegal for a reason."

      Of course, they didn't say that the reason was that some people--and I'm thinking the people doing the confiscating in this case--are stupid.

      I think this was in New York (where everything is illegal I think).

      Anyway, they wound up convincing the guy to hand them over because they were a danger to his young daughter. A camera shot showed the young girl standing precariously next to the aquarium. Danger! Danger!

      She would have had to get a chair and stand on it just to put her hand in the tank.

      The piranha's reputation is more Hollywood than reality. Properly kept, they're not going to be an issue.

      And, careless parents would be careless regardless of what pets that they had.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        It's because agressiveness has been bread into them...Remember, Pete on "Our Gang" and the RCA Victor dog are both pit bulls. They didn't have the reputation back then as the do now... They haven't always been as aggressive as they have been for the last 30-40 years or so.

        Also, you need the right kind of master...Fair, but very firm. They have to really know who the boss is, while respecting their boss. Abuse won't cut it, and neither will a weak owner.
        You mean Nipper, Kurt?
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        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        It's like piranha. I was watching one of those animal control shows and they were confiscating a guy's piranha. They gave him the spiel that they're "illegal for a reason."

        Of course, they didn't say that the reason was that some people--and I'm thinking the people doing the confiscating in this case--are stupid.

        I think this was in New York (where everything is illegal I think).

        Anyway, they wound up convincing the guy to hand them over because they were a danger to his young daughter. A camera shot showed the young girl standing precariously next to the aquarium. Danger! Danger!

        She would have had to get a chair and stand on it just to put her hand in the tank.

        The piranha's reputation is more Hollywood than reality. Properly kept, they're not going to be an issue.

        And, careless parents would be careless regardless of what pets that they had.
        Actually it's because they don't want them released in the lakes and rivers when the owners get tired of them.
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          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          Actually it's because they don't want them released in the lakes and rivers when the owners get tired of them.
          That may make sense in the southern states, but they typically do not survive cold winters.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The worst thing about pit bulls is the ignorance of people regarding this breed. As with any breed, there is the potential to breed aggressive dogs to create more aggressive dogs. That doesn't translate to "a bad breed".

        As a breed, pit bulls are great. In Helen Kellers' time pit bulls were the top pick for family dogs in the country. The Little Rascals show featured a pit bull, Keller and other prominent people owned pit bulls that traveled with them constantly.

        I have a pit bull - and the only danger is that she might lick you to death. She was gentle as a puppy, was not bred for aggression and since I rescued her she's known nothing but kindness. She loves cats, other dogs, kids, is playful, smart and a joy to have around.

        Of the pit bulls taken from Michael Vick, only one was vicious. Even after four months of total quarantine waiting for the court case and with almost no contact with people, almost all the dogs taken from Vick were rehomed as pets and passed all behavioral tests.

        Don't blame a whole breed of dogs for the stupidity and cruelty of people. Poodles can be vicious, German Shepherds, etc - if they are bred that way. There are people who want feel "bad a**" so they get pit bulls, do not train them, do not exercise them and leave them alone with children or allow them to run loose (they do protect territory and can define that territory as bigger than it is without supervision).

        The reason we see so many instances of aggressive pit bulls is because people try to train them to attack other dogs. Pit bulls are not vicious by nature - that's why some idiots breed for aggression. These people have almost created an "evil twin" breed of this dog.

        In some areas of the country, dog fighting has been allowed to the point where the only way authorities can see to stop it is to ban a dog breed. That's sad for the dogs and does nothing to make the people who fight them behave in a humane way.

        kay

        They aren't like normal dogs...not even close. Even as puppies they're more wild than domesticated.
        You are so wrong. The only reason pits have been chosen as "fighters" is because of the strength of their jaw and their ability to lock the jaws and hold on. Pit puppies act just like any other puppies and it's misinformation passed around as fact that causes so much damage to these dogs as a breed. My pit bull is no different than any other dogs I've had and is one of the easiest to train I've seen in years.

        What is needed are not laws to kill pit bulls - but laws to prevent un-registered breeders from owning any pit that has not been spayed or neutered. Stopping the breeding for aggression would save the breed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    pits jaws do not lock. their jaws are no different than any other breed. Because they have a short nose/jaw they are almost impossible to pry off once they bite, but there is nothing physical in the jaw structure of a pitbull that makes its jaws 'lock' besides the heavy jaw/head musculature.

    YOU CANT BREED FOR AGGRESSION.

    Tell ya what, everyone who says 'they are bred for aggression' ...show me how. Show me what organ in the pitbull that is only in the pitbull that causes the aggressive behavior.
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      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      pits jaws do not lock. their jaws are no different than any other breed. Because they have a short nose/jaw they are almost impossible to pry off once they bite, but there is nothing physical in the jaw structure of a pitbull that makes its jaws 'lock' besides the heavy jaw/head musculature.

      YOU CANT BREED FOR AGGRESSION.

      Tell ya what, everyone who says 'they are bred for aggression' ...show me how. Show me what organ in the pitbull that is only in the pitbull that causes the aggressive behavior.
      Saying it in bold and repeating something, doesn't make it true.

      I already "showed" you how. Breeding dogs with aggressive behavior with other dogs that display aggressive behavior will more likely result in pups that will be more aggressive than if they had more mild parents.

      The fallacy in your logic is that only organs can be breed. Behavior is also bred. Now you show me the organ that makes a retriever retrieve or a pointer point or a shepard to herd, all forms of behavior...I'll wait.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Pit Bulls tend to LOVE people. All people. This makes them a poor choice for a "guardian breed". Most of them are simply too friendly to protect a house against strangers. A Pit Bull that shows unprovoked human aggression (puppy play nips do NOT count) is showing BAD temperament and in most cases should be put to sleep. Such a dog should obviously NEVER be bred under any circumstances. The breeding of dogs with bad temperaments is one of the largest problems the breed faces today and fuels the fire of breed specific legislation.


        Perhaps "temperament" is a better word but you can breed for characteristics of personality as well as for color, conformation, etc. Pits can be aggressive toward other animals and perfectly fine around people.

        I've heard people say pit bulls can just "go crazy"or "turn on their master" - no, they don't. Dobermans used to have that reputation as did German Shepherds - that myth seems to move to a different breed every 15 yrs or so.

        When I'm walking my pit, Gracie, I'm reminded of the TV commercial where the dog is shouting "bacon, bacon, bacon" - with Gracie it's "people, people, people" as she wants to meet and greet every person she sees.

        As for locking - of course they don't "lock" as such. Their bite is serious due to "big dog" teeth and the strong neck muscles that allow tearing and shaking actions. Any dog of any size that gets its teeth firmly implanted in part of your anatomy is difficult to dislodge.
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        • Profile picture of the author Radix
          I've lost count of how many dogs I've fostered over the years. I would have to actually go back to the doggy graveyard to get an accurate count of all the dogs that stuck around until they passed away. I currently have seven, not including the five new additions.

          I've been working with dogs for nearly 20 years to include pit bulls.

          People can have any opinion they want as all are constructed from their experiences and will always vary.

          Advocates of pits, I applaud you. More than once I've taken in a pitbull to rehab that was a lost cause and 50% of the time we can make progress to the extent a real rescue will take them back. With that said, the failures are usually catastrophic. The 50% that can play by the rules are marvelous dogs and are everything Kay claims. That other half are not to be handled by an amateur. It cannot be reasoned with, it is unpredictable and it fights for pleasure. It's nearly impossible to tell which one you're dealing with until something sets it off.

          I'm not going to change any minds and I don't really want to so that's my last post on the topic.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Saying it in bold and repeating something, doesn't make it true.

        I already "showed" you how. Breeding dogs with aggressive behavior with other dogs that display aggressive behavior will more likely result in pups that will be more aggressive than if they had more mild parents.

        The fallacy in your logic is that only organs can be breed. Behavior is also bred. Now you show me the organ that makes a retriever retrieve or a pointer point or a shepard to herd, all forms of behavior...I'll wait.
        ok, here you go:


        Thats the organ that makes retrievers retrieve and sheperds herd..once it has been properly trained.

        You are regurgitating something you've been told that you dont even understand. You can't breed a behavior. Thats not how breeding OR behavioral traits work.

        Behaviors are learned responses. If its a learned response, it isnt genetic.

        Ever hear the old saying 'Champions are not born, they are made''? Ever wonder why they say that or what it means?

        TRAINING (and by extension environment) makes a retriever retrieve and a herder herd....(READ: A LEARNED BEHAVIOR) The breed is physically and mentally equipped to be able to be trained to retrieve or herd, buit doesnt pop out of the birth canal with an inate sense on how to properly fetch a stick or herd sheep.

        Just like pits. If they are bred correctly, meaning they arent inbred, they arent born aggressive, but their physical makeup makes them a great candidate for fighting, and as such they are MADE aggressive by their owners for that purpose.
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          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          ok, here you go:


          Thats the organ that makes retrievers retrieve and sheperds herd..once it has been properly trained.

          You are regurgitating something you've been told that you dont even understand. You can't breed a behavior. Thats not how breeding OR behavioral traits work.

          Behaviors are learned responses. If its a learned response, it isnt genetic.

          Ever hear the old saying 'Champions are not born, they are made''? Ever wonder why they say that or what it means?

          TRAINING (and by extension environment) makes a retriever retrieve and a herder herd....(READ: A LEARNED BEHAVIOR) The breed is physically and mentally equipped to be able to be trained to retrieve or herd, buit doesnt pop out of the birth canal with an inate sense on how to properly fetch a stick or herd sheep.

          Just like pits. If they are bred correctly, meaning they arent inbred, they arent born aggressive, but their physical makeup makes them a great candidate for fighting, and as such they are MADE aggressive by their owners for that purpose.
          Still wrong. A lab is far more inclined to enjoy water than a greyhound. Many shepards will herd naturally, without training. Sure, training enhances their efforts, but the BEAHVIOR is bred.

          And if you knew ANYTHING about rotties, you'd know that it isn't their "nature" to attack, but rather to "hold". Unless trained, it is their nature to let someone in the house, but not let them leave. This behavior dates back to Roman times, when the Roman army used rotty forefathers to guard prisoners. This characteristic is still present in many rotties to this very day WITHOUT TRAINING!!!!!!!!

          The romans also used rotties to herd. Take a rotty around a flock of sheep and see what happens, I have. I never trained mine to herd, but I watched him gather the sheep NATURALLY. He wasn't perfect, but he didn't attack them and did a pretty good job of rounding them all up without ever being told what to do. I saw another rotty on The Dog Whisperer do the exact same thing.

          Rotties are also usually very good around cats.

          These are all behaviors of the breed. Sure, they aren't 100%, but to deny that different breeds have different behaviors is ridiculous.
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            a little too snarky.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Some things become true through repitition...
              • Pit Bulls are mean
              • Politicians are crooked
              • Women don't fart
              • etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patricia1
    According to the National press Pitbulls are now the weapon of choice among the gangs here in the UK. Apparantly gang members go to great lengths to enhance the strength and aggression of these animals. Yes they are banned but so are guns, but the penalty for being caught with a dog is less severe. The damage these animals can inflict is truly scary and the dealers use them to good effect. What a crazy world we live in.
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  • Profile picture of the author getsmartt
    WARNING....Picture of vicious Pit Bull attached.....


    Like everything elses in life everything you hear about Pits is not necessarily true.

    The Dog in the pic, Bubblegum, had never even had a litter of pups when this was taken.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    Canine aggression toward unfamiliar people and dogs.

    Vet Clin North Am Small Anim Pract. September 2008;38(5):1023-41, vi.
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    Aggression toward unfamiliar dogs and people is a common problem arising most commonly from fear and territoriality. A number of factors contribute to its development, including socialization deficits, hormones, and genetic and neurophysiologic components. These factors are discussed in this article, as are management and behavior modification approaches for controlling aggression.

    My bold/italic. I've no doubt I can find more references. Aggression does have a genetic component.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    To say that aggression is not genetic in these animals is silly.

    Sure they can be trained to behave differently. My brother has 7 Staffordshire pig hunting dogs. Generally they are well behaved.

    But these are dangerous animals and very hardy.

    Not long ago a little girls face was ripped off here by one of these dogs - its disgusting.

    But then I see the point - a viscous chihuahua isnt going to be labeled an aggressive breed but it may bite more people than an aggressive pit bull.

    The point is a kid may be aggressive with a pea shooter and another may get himself a hand gun.
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      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      To say that aggression is not genetic in these animals is silly.

      Sure they can be trained to behave differently. My brother has 7 Staffordshire pig hunting dogs. Generally they are well behaved.

      But these are dangerous animals and very hardy.

      Not long ago a little girls face was ripped off here by one of these dogs - its disgusting.

      But then I see the point - a viscous chihuahua isnt going to be labeled an aggressive breed but it may bite more people than an aggressive pit bull.

      The point is a kid may be aggressive with a pea shooter and another may get himself a hand gun.
      True. Ever hear of Golden Retrievers? Or Labs?
      Or the other dogs that everyone think are sweet
      and lovable?

      They can be just as vicious and just as dangerous.

      You hear more about pitbulls because there are SO many more of them than other breeds these days (except in LA - it's Chihuahuas there).

      Generally...it all goes back to the owners and how the dogs are raised.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Let me be clear, genetics and breeding is only one cause of aggressive behavior.

    Pain
    Fear
    Abuse
    Training
    Starvation
    Lack of Socialization
    Lack of discipline
    Illness/disease

    ...And more, are all possible causes of aggression in dogs.

    Michael, I seriously suggest you research The Russian Caucasian Shepherd Dog, aka Caucasian Mountain Dog. This is a dog that is probably the best "watch dog" in the World. It wil bond with one person or family, and just about kill any one or any thing that enters it's area, and without any training.

    Here's from Wikipedia:
    Temperament

    Caucasian Shepherds are typically assertive, brave, alert, strong, hardy and courageous.

    Unless properly socialised, they may exhibit ferocious and unmanageable tendencies. They seldom have time for strangers (but will greet family friends warmly) and have powerful guarding instincts. Everything and everyone who belongs to the family, including children, cats, other dogs, etc. will be regarded by this dog as part of its family and as such will fall under its guardianship. Owing to their size and nature these dogs should not be left alone with children.

    Aggression and dominance toward unknown dogs should be expected unless the animal has been extensively socialised at a young age and even then some unwanted behaviours may occur.

    An ovtcharka is not a dog for everyone, it requires an owner who knows how to display strong, calm and balanced leadership and one who is willing to spend a lot of time ensuring the development of a well-balanced animal.
    Note the use of words such as "instincts" and "nature". Trust me, this dog doesn't have to be trained to be mean. It is mean unless it is trained, and even then, it's still a very dangerous breed.

    They look like a dirty St. Bernard and are about the same size. They've been known to hunt wolves and bears.

    But please, don't tell me any more about breeding not having anything to do with temperment. You're just plain wrong. And if you see a Caucasian Mountain dog, your life may depnd on understanding what breeding has to do with its temperment.
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  • Profile picture of the author tabithanaylor
    Agree with the above. All goes back to nature vs nurture.

    Any dog can be aggressive. When I was growing up, my aunt had a collie - yep, a Lassie dog. Bent down to pet her one day, and she bit me in the face. Knew the dog for years, grew up with dogs, and my parents taught me the importance of respecting a dog (not taunting it, pulling on it, etc). Was that sensationalized all over the news? Of course not. Had it been a pit, probably would've been plastered on news outlets across the east coast. So in this sense, I agree 110% with barbling. It's a shame too. After all that, my first dog was a pit - old coworkers cousin was a breeder. Saw the puppies one day, and fell in love. Best dog I'll probably ever have - sweetest dog.

    Kay - I also agree with you on the "lock jaw" concept. I now own 2 purebred Bull Terriers - NOT PITBULLS, for those of you who need clarification. I cannot tell you how many times I have to explain the differences to people. I'm talking the Target Dog, Spuds Mackenzie, etc. They are similiar in age, 3 months apart - and at 65 pounds and 45 pounds, I can assure you that when they start playing tug of war with each other, it's difficult to get them to stop when they start playing too rough, due to the size of their teeth, and how strong their neck and jaw muscles are.

    The media loves to demonize this breed of dog - but then again, what do you expect? How often can you turn on the news and hear something positive? It's almost always negative.
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      Originally Posted by tabithanaylor View Post

      Agree with the above. All goes back to nature vs nurture.

      Any dog can be aggressive. When I was growing up, my aunt had a collie - yep, a Lassie dog. Bent down to pet her one day, and she bit me in the face. Knew the dog for years, grew up with dogs, and my parents taught me the importance of respecting a dog (not taunting it, pulling on it, etc). Was that sensationalized all over the news? Of course not. Had it been a pit, probably would've been plastered on news outlets across the east coast. So in this sense, I agree 110% with barbling. It's a shame too. After all that, my first dog was a pit - old coworkers cousin was a breeder. Saw the puppies one day, and fell in love. Best dog I'll probably ever have - sweetest dog.

      Kay - I also agree with you on the "lock jaw" concept. I now own 2 purebred Bull Terriers - NOT PITBULLS, for those of you who need clarification. I cannot tell you how many times I have to explain the differences to people. I'm talking the Target Dog, Spuds Mackenzie, etc. They are similiar in age, 3 months apart - and at 65 pounds and 45 pounds, I can assure you that when they start playing tug of war with each other, it's difficult to get them to stop when they start playing too rough, due to the size of their teeth, and how strong their neck and jaw muscles are.

      The media loves to demonize this breed of dog - but then again, what do you expect? How often can you turn on the news and hear something positive? It's almost always negative.
      Want a puppy? I will bring it to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshH
    I am a pitbull lover and these dogs are misunderstood and misrepresented. There are a lot of backyard breeders who breed a dog that has SOME pit in it and they call it a pitbull. A big part of the problem is uneducated people and the media. There are a lot of folks who probably would have no idea what a real pitbull looks like. They actually are #2 on some rating system for being human friendly breeds. I have a 3 year old american pitbull terrier. Was gonna post pictures. But not enough posts!
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    • Profile picture of the author Radix
      Originally Posted by JoshH View Post

      I am a pitbull lover and these dogs are misunderstood and misrepresented. There are a lot of backyard breeders who breed a dog that has SOME pit in it and they call it a pitbull. A big part of the problem is uneducated people and the media. There are a lot of folks who probably would have no idea what a real pitbull looks like. They actually are #2 on some rating system for being human friendly breeds. I have a 3 year old american pitbull terrier. Was gonna post pictures. But not enough posts!
      want a puppy?

      I have 4 more to place in responsible homes.

      I will come to you

      especially if where you are is warm, sunny and serves alcohol
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