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Hello all.

I'm not in the habit of moaning but I think the minmum 50 posts rule is very harsh.

I have recently paid to have a classified advert in the warrior forum yet I cannot reply to PM's due to falling short of the 50 posts rule.

#posts #rule #stupid
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I understand your sentiments, but you're looking at it from a selfish perspective. Those of us that have been around here for some time appreciate the rule. It prevents spammers from coming in and just PMing everyone with garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    Well, if you just gel along with the community, browse a bit and participate in the conversations, 50 posts should not be a problem whatsoever.

    They have the rule in place for stopping the spammers, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author naijapower
    Patience is the virtue. I can see you have been a member since Nov 2008. If you make at least one contribution every day, it wont take long to accumulate 50 posts...
    cheer up and a merry xmas
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    I also see it as a way to get people involved before trying to sell everything to us. it allows for one to prove themselves and for other members to see how the act and what knowledge or expertise they have . it is a win win

    maybe you shouldn't have posted a classified ad without understanding the rules first

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Real sorry about your little problem. This is not an advertising forum -- it is a community. I see you have ONE post. You came here just to throw advertisements at us? Precisely why the rule is in effect. If you can't be a member in good standing here - we really don't care what you have to sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I always get a kick out of posts that say "I'm not ion the habit of moaning" then proceed to moan.
    This isn't the only post you have made "moaning" about the 50 post rule either.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    HEY, did you notice what happened? You moaned about it, and it was moved to offtopic so you don't get the benefit of the posts! IRONIC, HUH!?!? The 50 post rul is a nice one. Considering that the average prolific poster EASILY posts 6 LEGITIMATE posts a day, that means it will take you less than 9 days! Is that REALLY too much to ask?

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Heck Steve, I know quite a few of us here that could post almost all 50 in a single day if we wanted to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Heck Steve, I know quite a few of us here that could post almost all 50 in a single day if we wanted to.
      My record is...oh never mind.

      Martha...don't throw the hand grenade!
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        • Profile picture of the author thedogtreatjar
          6 posts a day... I think I average about 2. Of course that is 10 one day and then nothing for a week... and then a bunch... you get the picture.

          I did learn something in this thread though - didn't realize OT forum didn't count posts. Doesn't really change anything, but interesting to learn none the less.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by thedogtreatjar View Post

            6 posts a day... I think I average about 2. Of course that is 10 one day and then nothing for a week... and then a bunch... you get the picture.

            I did learn something in this thread though - didn't realize OT forum didn't count posts. Doesn't really change anything, but interesting to learn none the less.

            All I know is that, when I was the top poster, most times I checked, I was averaging about 6 posts a day. Could you do 100 in a day? SURE! But I wanted to be FAIR! And I WAS talking overall average. Yeah, that means some days you might have none, and other days you would have 10+.

            BTW I think most of the top posters got there QUICKER than I did, and I probably spent over 4 years away from the forum, so I am no longer the number one poster.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              All I know is that, when I was the top poster, most times I checked, I was averaging about 6 posts a day. Could you do 100 in a day? SURE! But I wanted to be FAIR! And I WAS talking overall average. Yeah, that means some days you might have none, and other days you would have 10+.

              BTW I think most of the top posters got there QUICKER than I did, and I probably spent over 4 years away from the forum, so I am no longer the number one poster.

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              Steve, you will always be number 1 in my book.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                The OP has been a member for a year - and the first post is a 0 count post that "they won't let me earn money here".

                I was going to send some sympathy, but I'm fresh out.
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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  The OP has been a member for a year - and the first post is a 0 count post that "they won't let me earn money here".

                  I was going to send some sympathy, but I'm fresh out.
                  Gee, if he had something that was REALLY worth the money, he could write a few posts about THAT! To be here a year, not even offer an OPINION, and claim that nobody here would "LET" him earn money, is RIDICULOUS! There are people here that cover SO many topics. HECK, one guy is even covering the idea of producing a book on golfing though he hass NEVER played!

                  And did anyone notice that he isn't a war room member? Most people thatt came here in the last year didn't pay a PENNY to be here unless they became war room members. Most of allens products that had this as a premium have not been widely sold, from what I can see, and I don't think HE has sold them for quite a while. Apparently, he no longer deals with host4profit. That pretty much only leaves war room member.

                  If everyone could sell anything here for free, it would SOON become WORTHLESS! That has happened with LOTS of other things. Look at the old classified ad systems. They have become a JOKE! I WAS going to have one of the first to really do it well(OK, it WAS a sort of test, and I wanted to check), and IT got over run. I COULD have lists of MILLIONS of people(NOT an exageration), but MOST won't read the emails and most that DO will quickly learn NOT TO! On average, they would probably have several hundred sites emailing them over the span of weeks.

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              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              All I know is that, when I was the top poster, most times I checked, I was averaging about 6 posts a day. Could you do 100 in a day? SURE! But I wanted to be FAIR! And I WAS talking overall average. Yeah, that means some days you might have none, and other days you would have 10+.

              BTW I think most of the top posters got there QUICKER than I did, and I probably spent over 4 years away from the forum, so I am no longer the number one poster.

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              You may not be #1 in post count anymore, but you are #1 in Quality Count.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Birch
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Heck Steve, I know quite a few of us here that could post almost all 50 in a single day if we wanted to.
      Quite a few people try that each day with their one sentence replies - and they are usually a short ones like:

      great post

      Thanks, I'll try it

      and the rest . ..
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    Another One Hit (post) Wonder.

    You are off to a good start. Happy Holidays.
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  • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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    Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

    Hello all.

    I'm not in the habit of moaning but I think the minmum 50 posts rule is very harsh.

    I have recently paid to have a classified advert in the warrior forum yet I cannot reply to PM's due to falling short of the 50 posts rule.

    Do a little more grafting and you'll get there
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    • Profile picture of the author miami
      hehe these posts made my day. Thanks for the gift warriors!

      What's not so funny is that I see this as an example of what not to do - but what IS done all too often to our unsuspecting market (fill in the market here____) which makes it more and more challenging to build a true relationship.

      On the other hand - when you do invest that time - it is that much more powerful.

      Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!
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    Please see this thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...g-here-wf.html

    Thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramin
    I really think that 50 is so small and as others say , it is a forum a place for community not for advertise,
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Originally Posted by brik2500 View Post

    lol...you see, I'm getting my post count up laughing about this thread! lol...
    LOL - no you're not. This is the OT forum. Oh heck.......just figure it out on your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      The same here! But we paid for! Its ridiculous!
      Well, there are plenty of other forums where you won't encounter such limitations. If you are that bothered, go play in someone else's playground.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Mitos View Post

      The same here! But we paid for! Its ridiculous!
      So is putting money down without reading the TOS.
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  • Profile picture of the author berrycorp
    wont it be better to get it down to something like 15 posts?
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by berrycorp View Post

      wont it be better to get it down to something like 15 posts?
      No. There are some very good reasons why the rule is 50.

      One of them is people coming here without contributing and expecting to make money off this crowd.

      Nuff said...

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by berrycorp View Post

      wont it be better to get it down to something like 15 posts?
      no, because you'll get every retard with a new 'make a million dollars in 15 minutes' program coming in here and replying to crap in the main forum with stuff like 'lol..you're so right' and 'hey i feel the same way, keep up the great posting'

      Marketing to marketers seems like a stupid idea. Thats like putting on a puppet show for puppeteers or saying a prayer for a priest.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Let me tell you the OBVIOUS intent!

    1. There is this rule to encourage some quality content, cause most posts to be informational, and limit the ability of robot posters, scammers, spammers, etc....
    2. Although not usually noticed, and I forget what it is EXACTLY, there IS a wait requirement for posting. It may take several HOURS to post 50 posts! Don't think you can get it done in a few minutes, it just won't let you!
    3. If it were REAL low, they couldn't be moderated fast enough, and it would be senseless. If it were too high, MANY would be complaining. Frankly, I think 50 is PERFECT! If you post QUALITY content, you can EASILY meet the requirement. If you post GARBAGE, it will be moderated away, and you may NEVER meet the requirement.

    If you can't understand THAT simple concept, maybe you shouldn't be selling AT ALL!!!!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The same here! But we paid for! Its ridiculous!
      B.S. - you paid to list a sites for sale - and your "sites" (yes, I meant the quotes) are listed for sale so you got what you paid for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Thank you for the reminder. I've been meaning to make a post about this...


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    • Profile picture of the author thedogtreatjar
      Seems that littlegrafter has yet to join in the community aspect of WF.... not only has he not replied to this thread...but it seems he hasn't offered any more content elsewhere...

      Or atleast, not any content that was relevant. Sad day!

      Makes a person wonder how original these people think they are?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by thedogtreatjar View Post

        Seems that littlegrafter has .., not replied to this thread...

        Makes a person wonder how original these people think they are?
        Well, if he were original, he could offer a few tidbits and not worry about the limit.

        One person in the US once said something like "You can't please everyone all the time". C'est la vie!

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    To OP aren't you glad you posted this now:p

    Now suck it up get over it and get on with it contribute to the community and stop your whining already.

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    Merry Christmas everybody :-)
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      Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

      Merry Christmas everybody :-)
      Too little, too late. Nice try, though.

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  • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
    As a new member with less than 50 posts, and the objective to earn the right to do business with warrior members, I understand this rule.

    While 50 posts might be a number than is a little high, the objective makes perfect sense. In fact, it's likely that the higher the number of required posts increase the quality of the warrior member. That's a great thing for those that want to add value and earn business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Littlegrafter
    Hey guys.

    Just wanted to make myself clear on a few things here before I receive anymore savagings :-)

    I'm not trying to spam or sell info products to anyone, I have experience in customer support and wanted to sell my services in this area but yes I probably should have checked the forum rules before posting the classified ad - my mistake but I was just offering my opinion on the 50 posts rule and I can see from looking round the posts that I am not alone in my opinion.

    Yes it's true I'm not a very active member of the forum but I do like to read it from time to time and find it great source of news and information in much the same way as you would a newspaper. I like to use it as a form of news resource and when I noticed it had a classified section I decided to use it to offer my services much in the same way as you would a newspaper.

    OK, so I did something which obviously put some of your backs up but some of you were nice enough not to pre-judge me and pointed out my error in a civilised well mannered way and I thank you for that.

    We're all here to learn aren't we so it would be nice to be given the benefit of the doubt before being jumped on.

    Anyway, I'll contribute something when I have something to say and not because I need to fulfill a 50 posts quota. Making 50 posts doesn't automatically mean the postee is offering value and credibility in every one of those 50 posts in my view.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

      [snip]..some of you were nice enough not to pre-judge me and pointed out my error in a civilised well mannered way and I thank you for that.

      [snip]..it would be nice to be given the benefit of the doubt before being jumped on.
      Title of this thread: STUPID 50 POSTS RULE


      I think a :rolleyes: is appropriate.



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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well that's all fine and dandy, Littlegrafter, but it doesn't fly.

    You've been here a year and you claim to read -- but still don't understand the system, the community, rules, or procedures?

    And - you can forget all the rules in the place.......if you have been reading as you claim to have been, you will realize that this place has waves of scammers and shammers moving through all the time. Outside of a few really clueless newbies, people join here and buy here because they can get to know the people they are buying from and can trust their products better than they can trust just any program or ad they see on the net. For the most part, all it would take for a member to click off your offer is to look at your post count and see that you aren't known here.

    It's your business to run as you see fit. You can protest the post requirement all you want. It wouldn't help you two bits around this place to not have it intact. While post counts don't mean much of squat to indicate your knowledge - they go one heck of a long way to show your integration with the members, and THAT will say more about your trust value than any pitch you could write. So continuing to protest the count might satisfy your sense of worth.........but it isn't doing much about convincing people to want to deal with your services.

    Suit yourself. We have hundreds of well established individuals here who offer the same service to chose from. If you refuse to compete in your own field, it's really no skin off of our noses.

    Just sayin..........
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  • Profile picture of the author Littlegrafter
    I prefer to prove my trust value by first talking to the people who respond to my adverts, then providing them with my credentials including references from my satisfied clients and samples of the emails I receive from satisfied customers every day.

    This is how I get my clients and it has proved to be successful for me.

    Post counts mean little to me and say nothing about the persons trustworthyness and while it might be an indicator as to how active they are in the forum it says nothing about the quality of that persons products or business ethics.

    My original post was just to point out the limitations of the 50 post rule and I know for a fact that it doesn't stop determined spammers or people wanting to offer rubbish products.

    As for contributing to the community, I have been a member since November 2008 yes, and while I prefer not to post regulalrly I enjoy browsing the forum from time to time - is this wrong? should the WF force people to make regular posts?

    I get a great deal from my membership just as it is without having to make daily posts and I also contribute in my own way.

    During the 5 or so years I have been involved in internet marketing I have often referred people to this very forum and in the 2 years I have been working in a customer support role I directly refer my clients customers to people on this forum by name so I have done my fair share of sending business this way.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

      I prefer to prove my trust value by first talking to the people who respond to my adverts, then providing them with my credentials including references from my satisfied clients and samples of the emails I receive from satisfied customers every day.

      This is how I get my clients and it has proved to be successful for me.
      ....
      Actually, that is DOOMED to failure!!!!!!

      The way it SHOULD work...

      1000 people see your sales pitch
      60 figure it is for them, and approach you.

      YOUR plan

      1000 people see it
      60 figure it is for them
      20 approach you

      Your efforts attempt to keep 20, and figure 100% of the 20 is a success, even though you REALLY lost 40!

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      • Profile picture of the author Littlegrafter
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        Actually, that is DOOMED to failure!!!!!!

        The way it SHOULD work...

        1000 people see your sales pitch
        60 figure it is for them, and approach you.

        YOUR plan

        1000 people see it
        60 figure it is for them
        20 approach you

        Your efforts attempt to keep 20, and figure 100% of the 20 is a success, even though you REALLY lost 40!

        Steve
        erm, no I only need 3 at most :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

      Post counts mean little to me and say nothing about the persons trustworthyness
      It's not about the post count.

      Fifty posts is really, really hard to BS your way through. If you make fifty posts, you're going to drop hints and clues all over those posts about what kind of person you REALLY are. Patterns and trends will show up. And because people will have access to enough information about your attitudes and expertise, they can make an informed decision about doing business with you.

      If you don't like your customers to be too informed... well, hey, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Littlegrafter
        If you don't like your customers to be too informed... well, hey, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.[/QUOTE]

        Amazing!! where ever did I say I don't like my customers?
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        • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
          Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

          If you don't like your customers to be too informed... well, hey, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
          Amazing!! where ever did I say I don't like my customers?[/QUOTE]

          Ok let me put this in a simple to understand format.

          say I run an auto shop.
          You come into my shop responding to an ad I posted.
          You tell me every reason in the book why I should hire you.
          However you do not meet the qualifications for the job.

          Are you then going to tell me I should hire you because your a nice person or a reputable customer support specialist. see the partial basis of the 50 posts is simply to show the character of a person and given it is not flawless but if your a bull****ter people will see right through you . it has nothing to do with your own personal integrity I have a track record that blows many big companies away but no one online can see that because they do not know me personally .

          Do you understand what I am saying to you. it does not matter you are online and if you have been online for that number of years you must then understand the purpose so why complain about it to begin with. you could be an awesome guy so let people receive some of your wisdom help others show yourself true and don't sweat the small things 50 posts heck I can't even remember # 50 now.
          Anyways I wish you all success in this endeavour and hopefully you will be a top seller here as well but give the forum a break bro it is not about you.:p
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          • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
            You'll be alright man glad to know your an integral business man keep it up your track record will soon precede so you don't sweat the small things

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Whether you don't like the terms of service or not is beside the point. Whether you have a smashing business elsewhere is beside the point.

    What is NOT beside the point is that you have been a part of a forum for a year and were not aware of the TOS BEFORE you put your money down. I'm at a loss to see how this shows business scruples. It doesn't matter how you WANT to do or USUALLY do business - when you place money down, the smart policy is to read the TOS FIRST.

    Now you come in here and admit to this sort of lapse of common sense - lack of care to speak to any of us or provide any decent content in the community, and compound your error by coming in here and not only admitting to it, but also complaining about it, as if it's going to change anything when most people AGREE with the policy.

    Further, you call the necessity to interact with possible buyers here a FORCED action.
    That's what you think of me? You don't care to even speak to me unless I am talking to you about buying your product?

    I'm glad you have a very solid business and don't need my money to get you through the day because you'd starve.

    This is my last post here. I don't feel like talking to you. If you want to buy one of my products you can email me and I'll bother with you then.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Littlegrafter, let's forget about TOS for a while. What you obviously don't
      understand is that this forum is like a community or somebody's home.

      Imagine I am throwing a party for all my friends and some successful
      businessman comes to the party as a guest of one of my friends. Now, we
      don't know him from Adam.

      He then proceeds to tell me how I should run my party, that the way I am
      doing it isn't the right way.

      What do you think I'm going to do?

      I'm probably going to ask him very nicely to keep his opinions to himself or,
      if he continues to bitch and moan, ask him to leave.

      You are a guest in Allen Says' home. In spite of what you might think,
      it is not a right to be here...it is a privilege. Allen can ask any of us, at
      any time, for any reason or NO reason, to leave. I myself have been
      given 7 days to think about my actions because I insulted other members
      at one time.

      If you don't like the way this forum is run, there is a very simple solution
      to the problem.

      Go somewhere else.

      I mean this with no disrespect. Hell, if I don't like a place, I'm sure as hell
      not going to stick around. I mean there's enough misery in my life that I
      have to deal with without having to subject myself to more of it.

      The members here want to see other members contribute. You don't have
      to like that and that's fine...but that's what we want to see. So somebody
      who has ZERO posts, in our eyes, is not a contributor.

      You say you've contributed?

      With what?

      Your presence?

      With ZERO posts that means you haven't even shared ONE piece of info
      on how to improve your business.

      So why should ANYBODY want to buy ANYTHING from you?

      Because you SAY you're successful?

      I can say I'm the son of the King of England but it means nothing.

      Actions my friend...and so far YOURS are less than wonderful.

      Fair or not, that's the way it is at the Warrior Forum. You don't have to
      like it. You don't even have to accept it unless you plan to stay here.

      If you do, you're welcome to do so on OUR terms.

      Those terms are not difficult to follow and can be summed up in one word.

      Contribute.

      And that's all I have to say on this subject.
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      • Profile picture of the author Littlegrafter
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Littlegrafter, let's forget about TOS for a while. What you obviously don't
        understand is that this forum is like a community or somebody's home.

        Imagine I am throwing a party for all my friends and some successful
        businessman comes to the party as a guest of one of my friends. Now, we
        don't know him from Adam.

        He then proceeds to tell me how I should run my party, that the way I am
        doing it isn't the right way.

        What do you think I'm going to do?

        I'm probably going to ask him very nicely to keep his opinions to himself or,
        if he continues to bitch and moan, ask him to leave.

        You are a guest in Allen Says' home. In spite of what you might think,
        it is not a right to be here...it is a privilege. Allen can ask any of us, at
        any time, for any reason or NO reason, to leave. I myself have been
        given 7 days to think about my actions because I insulted other members
        at one time.

        If you don't like the way this forum is run, there is a very simple solution
        to the problem.

        Go somewhere else.

        I mean this with no disrespect. Hell, if I don't like a place, I'm sure as hell
        not going to stick around. I mean there's enough misery in my life that I
        have to deal with without having to subject myself to more of it.

        The members here want to see other members contribute. You don't have
        to like that and that's fine...but that's what we want to see. So somebody
        who has ZERO posts, in our eyes, is not a contributor.

        You say you've contributed?

        With what?

        Your presence?

        With ZERO posts that means you haven't even shared ONE piece of info
        on how to improve your business.

        So why should ANYBODY want to buy ANYTHING from you?

        Because you SAY you're successful?

        I can say I'm the son of the King of England but it means nothing.

        Actions my friend...and so far YOURS are less than wonderful.

        Fair or not, that's the way it is at the Warrior Forum. You don't have to
        like it. You don't even have to accept it unless you plan to stay here.

        If you do, you're welcome to do so on OUR terms.

        Those terms are not difficult to follow and can be summed up in one word.

        Contribute.

        And that's all I have to say on this subject.
        Well Steve lets put it this way, regarding contributions, during my time working in customer support I have directed customers from the support desks I work in to members on this forum citing them as sources of good advice, sometimes high profile members including your good self - if that's not contributing then I don't know what is.

        For example, I get many customers asking about how quickly they can make money online, well the quickest answer I can give is to send them a link to a video - for example on youtube explaining what it takes to make it in the IM world and how to treat it as a real business and I use the Warrior Forum as a source of information.

        I have in the past used some of the videos you yourself have posted on youtube as an example demonstrating this point.

        So you see , there are other ways of contributing in this forum other than making posts.

        If I can point someone in the right direction then I still feel that I have done a good job in terms of support.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Littlegrafter View Post

          Well Steve lets put it this way, regarding contributions, during my time working in customer support I have directed customers from the support desks I work in to members on this forum citing them as sources of good advice, sometimes high profile members including your good self - if that's not contributing then I don't know what is.

          For example, I get many customers asking about how quickly they can make money online, well the quickest answer I can give is to send them a link to a video - for example on youtube explaining what it takes to make it in the IM world and how to treat it as a real business and I use the Warrior Forum as a source of information.

          I have in the past used some of the videos you yourself have posted on youtube as an example demonstrating this point.

          So you see , there are other ways of contributing in this forum other than making posts.

          If I can point someone in the right direction then I still feel that I have done a good job in terms of support.

          And that's fine...there is nothing wrong with pointing people to places
          and giving them some direction.

          Problem is, when you do so in this manner and don't directly contribute
          to the discussions here, the regular members who frequent this forum
          don't know what you've done. They have no frame of reference to say,
          "Oh, I know you...you sent all those people over here."

          A perfect example, in my case, is when I send people to this one forum
          for help on doing work at home jobs like transcription. Nobody at that
          forum knows me from Adam and they certainly don't know all the people
          I send there...and I don't expect them to.

          Therefore, when I show up with my ZERO posts, I'm just a new guy
          to them...even though I have been referring people there for over 3 years.

          If you want the forum members themselves to respect you, fair or not,
          you have to make yourself visible and contribute in a way where they
          can actually see how you have contributed, such as by reading the posts
          you have made.

          So many people come here and say things like, "I've been lurking this
          forum for years" and they have. I've seen join dates years before mine
          with maybe 10 posts.

          That's not contributing...at least not in the eyes of the members.

          Fair? Maybe not. But it is what it is.

          You can't expect somebody to value your opinion and trust your sales
          pitch (if you decide to run a WSO) as much as somebody who has been
          here for a few years and has made a few thousand posts.

          And it's like this in the real world too.

          You don't graduate from high school and run for President of the United
          States. Our youngest President was John F Kennedy at age 43. For some
          people, that's over half their lives. Think about all he had to do before he
          reached that office.

          All we're asking people to do is come here, make some helpful posts,
          contribute to the community and ultimately be accepted by that
          community.

          Again, fair?

          Maybe not. It is what it is.

          We can accept it and adapt or we can decide that we don't like it and
          go someplace else.

          That's the beautiful part of the Internet. You're essentially free to do as
          you please within reason and certain guidelines.

          I hope I've made my point.

          If not...I tried.
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          • Profile picture of the author Epicurus
            Yes Steven I understand your point and it IS a good one but I guess we all have our own ways of determining good character.

            Looking through someones previous posts and the post count is not really a yardstick by which I would choose to measure a persons character personally. I know quite a few marketers who use forums like this one to gain customers by making helpfull posts etc but then don't deliver when it comes to the product once the sale is made.

            I offer a service in customer support and have placed an ad here to find interested clients and when they do contact me I provide references from the clients I already have.

            This way has proven to be successfull for me in my particular field of work but I have taken your comments on board and I do see that some people on here need to see a contribution so this is something I must work on in the future.

            Anyway, I'd like to apologise if I angered anyone with my original moan about the posts rule - it was born of frustration really from not being able to answer the clients replying to my ad but I accept that it is my own fault so hopefully we can move on now.

            All the best to everyone for 2010 :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author Epicurus
            Oh by the way, in case anyone is wondering - I took Killer Joes comments on board regarding the slang connotation of 'grafter' being related to underhandedness and decided to change my username.

            Epicurus is my favourite philosopher :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I would bet that I am right. 50 posts was NOT picked because it was hard, etc.. but because it would create a minimum window of HOURS in which moderation could keep the count low. HECK, I have SO many posts that some accused me of posting to EVERY thread. I NEVER did that.

    How can ANYONE claim that they have something to sell but can't create 50 posts? Think about it. Just look for topics you have some interest/ability in, and respond.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      I would bet that I am right. 50 posts was NOT picked because it was hard, etc.. but because it would create a minimum window of HOURS in which moderation could keep the count low.
      Isn't the limitation something like 2 minutes per post? Let's test it.
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    Okay, testing the time limit!

    Wow, THIRTY SECONDS. So yeah, fifty posts would take... um... at least 25 minutes.

    That's not even half an hour.
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  • Profile picture of the author successfulmom
    I had no idea that there was such a thing as a minimum post rule. Lets just say that I do not even come close...good to know.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by successfulmom View Post

      I had no idea that there was such a thing as a minimum post rule. Lets just say that I do not even come close...good to know.
      Just an FYI:
      Posts made here in the Off Topic forum do not count towards your posts.
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    and yet I still continue to have happy satisfied customers :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author EndGame
    I wouldn't often do this, and I may regret doing so, however, Littlegrafter is a personal friend of mine who I have worked with for 10 months in the same physical office day-in and day-out.

    Now, I agree, LG shouldn't have posted this thread. I think he knows, understands and feels that as well.

    I also agree it's up to Allen what the rules are, and I for one intend to live by them, because I am very grateful to be a member here. There are some who won't like it, but unfortunately, that won't change the rules.

    That isn't really what I wanted to discuss though.

    What I want to say is I am a little disappointed at some of the implications that have been leveled at LG. He is far from a scammer and is one of the most straight, fair-dealing people I have dealt with in this community (and by community, I mean the online marketing community). He is also very good at what he does.

    I can also vouch that he has spent a considerable amount of time on this forum (some times to the detriment of his work schedule!). He has even personally interacted with people and done a little business here and there. He is genuinely a good and sincere guy, and whilst I am still a nobody in this community, I'd vouch for him, and I have interacted with people here for some time.

    Now admittedly, he hasn't approached things in the way that a lot of WF's would like and require, but I don't think this error is down to any malice, or under-hand intent on his part.

    My biggest frustration with LG is he hasn't contributed on the forum. It's a frustration because he has a lot of good stuff to say and has a solid writing style as well. I don't have his permission, so I won't post the url to his blog, but I think there is some excellent content there and I enjoy reading it. He would add a lot of value to this forum if he spoke up.

    Why doesn't he? He has never really said, but knowing the man as I do, I would guess that it is because he doesn't feel his opinion is worthy of being shared. He is very modest, shy and sincere and in some ways it's his biggest weakness. I hope perhaps that after this little exchange, he might well be moved to go forward and share some of his thoughts.

    I agree, this thread shouldn't be here, but I know it to be an honest mistake.

    I agree with the rules as they stand, although they are imperfect (imperfect in the sense some bad apples still slip through the net), but nothing will ever be perfect.

    However, LG is far from a scammer or snake-oil salesman. He's a very decent good guy and I wouldn't like to stand-by and watch as his reputation is ruined based on miss-informed assumptions about him. He didn't help that with his own actions perhaps, but I think he has admitted this and acknowledged the genuine concerns of Warriors.

    LG, I hope you are going to kick-start the posting now! :-)

    To the rest of the Warriors here, I hope you all had a good xmas/holiday and best wishes to you all for the new year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Hi Alex,

      If LG is good enough for you, than he's good enough me.

      Any notion he has that he can't contribute to this forum is pure BS. After reading a few of his posts here on the OT I can see where he could easily fit in if he were to so choose.

      In fact the quality of his responses have been better than many I have read from others. I'm not referring to others in this thread, but others in general on the forum at large.

      So LG if you're reading this my advice would be to start participating in conversations on the WF that interest you, and start making a name for yourself that will allow others to identify you as someone of substance. I think you could easily do that if you so choose.

      On another note, the term "grafter" is slang in the US for "con man", and so another suggestion would be to change your username to your real name. I know that sounds funny coming from a guy named "Killer", but there it is.

      Now get your butt out of the OT forum and start participating in the other forums where you can begin building a profile that others can learn to trust. It should be a painless transition, and one you'll wonder why you didn't start a long time ago.

      And Happy New Year to both you blokes

      KJ
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        ...
        On another note, the term "grafter" is slang in the US for "con man", and so another suggestion would be to change your username to your real name. I know that sounds funny coming from a guy named "Killer", but there it is.
        ...
        Well, Killer is ALSO slang for GOOD, and graft can mean to join two pieces so they grow almost as one. It is often used for animal and plant tissue. So I guess a grafter COULD mean a person that grafts also!

        HEY, I will NEVER forget the guy here that named his website POTTYPOTTY! Potty is apparently british slang for crazy.

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  • Profile picture of the author pjCheviot
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    On another note, the term "grafter" is slang in the US for "con man"
    That makes nonsense of my earlier reply "Do a little more grafting and you'll get there" to you US folks !!

    Over here "grafter" simply means "worker" - a grafter is "someone not afraid to get their hands dirty!"

    Ah well, you learn something every day!
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  • Profile picture of the author EndGame
    Hi Bill,

    Thanks very much for your reply. Really appreciate it and I am still appreciating that work you did for me everyday still!

    Interesting insight with regards to the definition of "grafter" over there in the US. Funny how very small things make BIG differences.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Kevin,
    Yes, I know that.
    KJ,
    I think grifter is more in line with what you mean, a grifter is a con man, while graft is ill gotten gains.Graft is more known as a bribe than a con.

    For all of you that are going to disagree with me, thats ok!
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  • Profile picture of the author Littlegrafter
    Engame - thanks for the glowing reference mate I hope it goes some way towards proving my good character to the WF community.

    Killer Joe - thank you also for your kind comments and also making me aware of the US meaning of my profile name - probably need to re-think that one LOL!!

    :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    There is NO fair way to determine character, etc.... C'est la vie. This IS a VERY good guideline though.
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    I understand your complaint but perhaps you should contribute something to the community before posting ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lady
    Steven, thank you for explaining things so clearly.

    In fact thank all of you warriors for saying it like it is.

    I have been reading the post for only a week now, but I feel at home where everyone helps everyone else. I look forward to finding my place among you all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Gillum
    I love the fifty post rule..........afraid to say other wise........lol

    I have been to the spam forum......not much positive gets done.....

    The "good" forums are good places to learn and share.....

    I think everyone who signed up after me should do 100 posts.....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author 2PercentPlan
    Boy you really struck a nerve. I am almost afraid to give an opinion. There are alot of people in this warrior forum that have been here so long they forget how it was when they first started. Don't be scared just learn the rules and provide value. Thats it. Simple. I just hope it works out for ya.
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    • Profile picture of the author Epicurus
      Originally Posted by 2PercentPlan View Post

      Boy you really struck a nerve. I am almost afraid to give an opinion. There are alot of people in this warrior forum that have been here so long they forget how it was when they first started. Don't be scared just learn the rules and provide value. Thats it. Simple. I just hope it works out for ya.
      Yeah I must admit I was quite taken aback by some of the responses.

      Anyway, water under the bridge now

      Thanks for the advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
    Think you have a great New Years Resolution:

    To contribute 50 worthwhile posts to the Warrior Forum.

    And I would add to that:

    Pay to become a member of The War Room.

    I have to say that this is the best value investment of my IM career! Long may it last!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbyholm
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

    Imagine I am throwing a party for all my friends and some successful
    businessman comes to the party as a guest of one of my friends. Now, we
    don't know him from Adam.

    He then proceeds to tell me how I should run my party, that the way I am
    doing it isn't the right way.

    What do you think I'm going to do?
    I know this answer is a little late but I think comparing the Warrior Forum to a private party is a bit far fetched.

    I mean if you accepted payment from that businessman (classified ads) to promote his products at the party then the businessman would reasonably expect that he is allowed to talk to guests at the party (pm)

    Epicurus/Littlegrafter had a very valid point when posting, he had paid for a service and expected to be able to communicate with his customers. The fact that he didn't understand the 50 post rule is no reason to be rude.

    I think the many rude posts by some long time warrior members with high post count at the beginning of this thread was not a display of good character.

    Don't get me wrong, I think the 50 post rule is a good thing. The problem is that the Warrior Forum accepts classified ads from people with less than 50 posts.

    If members are not considered trustworthy before the age #50 then why let them offer products for sale?

    Waiting for flames to erupt...
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by sbyholm View Post

      The fact that he didn't understand the 50 post rule is no reason to be rude.
      I think a better statement is "The fact that he didn't understand the 50 post rule is no reason to call it STUPID."

      As far as I can see it was his original tone of voice that set people off with the wrong impression in this case.

      Fortunately, at least as far as I'm concerned, he has rectified that stance to my satisfaction. I'm only speaking for myself here.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by sbyholm View Post

      I know this answer is a little late but I think comparing the Warrior Forum to a private party is a bit far fetched.

      I mean if you accepted payment from that businessman (classified ads) to promote his products at the party then the businessman would reasonably expect that he is allowed to talk to guests at the party (pm)

      Epicurus/Littlegrafter had a very valid point when posting, he had paid for a service and expected to be able to communicate with his customers. The fact that he didn't understand the 50 post rule is no reason to be rude.

      I think the many rude posts by some long time warrior members with high post count at the beginning of this thread was not a display of good character.

      Don't get me wrong, I think the 50 post rule is a good thing. The problem is that the Warrior Forum accepts classified ads from people with less than 50 posts.

      If members are not considered trustworthy before the age #50 then why let them offer products for sale?

      Waiting for flames to erupt...

      You know what? I agree with you. I don't think members should be
      allowed to post WSOs or classifieds or anything until they have been
      a member of this forum for at least 2 months and have at least 100 posts
      which is about 2 posts a day.

      Not asking a lot IMO.

      But it's not my forum.

      Point is, these are the rules and we have 2 choices.

      1. Accept them and stay.
      2. Reject them and leave.

      How much simpler is it than that?
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