Anyone Freaking Out About Credit Crunch

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anyone starting to worry yet about the credit crunch and whats going on within your own economy?
  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    No, it's better to be in America during a "crisis" than most other countries. I'm glad I'm here and not in Sudan or Lithuania or most other countries. Even the poor here have a lot more than millions of people in other countries.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      What's going on?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      No sense freaking out - but it's a good idea to make plans for what happens if you can't get credit or if you lose your job.

      The company I work part-time for stopped work on a building project in the tens of millions about 2 months ago - due to tight credit. The investors' credit lines are good - but the money isn't there.

      Two weeks ago the company announced a major cutback of employees - the final tally isn't yet known but many long term full-time employees have been made part-time. This way, the company doesn't have to pay benefits such as health insurance. Some employees have been let go - many of them with as much as ten years of seniority.

      This company is not the first taking such action this year - almost all of its competitors have already made major cutbacks. The companies themselves are reporting no loss in profit over prior years - but are cutting every corner to maintain and increase that profit.

      For several months, credit card companies have been quietly raising interest rates - often without logical reason - and have also been lowering credit lines for many of their customers. This is a two edged sword for unsuspecting consumers - If you have a credit line of $10k on an account and owe $4k on that account (and pay on time), it's good for your credit rating. If your credit line is lowered to $5k, all of a sudden you appear to be near your credit limit - thus becoming a higher risk and often resulting in a lower credit score which makes it harder to qualify for more credit and may increase interest you pay on other accounts.

      These changes have been happening without fanfare at least since the beginning of 2008 but because they happen to individuals and separate businesses, it hasn't been seen as the crisis it is. Only when it hit Wall St did it become "urgent".

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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      ...in Sudan or Lithuania...
      Sudan or Lithuania? First time I've ever seen those 2 countries put on a par with each other!

      Tommy.
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      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      No, it's better to be in America during a "crisis" than most other countries. I'm glad I'm here and not in Sudan or Lithuania or most other countries. Even the poor here have a lot more than millions of people in other countries.

      That's kick ass way of looking at it. I like your attitude. Might do some Americans some good to feel a little of that hardship many other countries feel on a daily basis.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andres
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        That's kick ass way of looking at it. I like your attitude. Might do some Americans some good to feel a little of that hardship many other countries feel on a daily basis.

        Although I agree with your post Americans aren't good at hardship at least not the way we see in other countries. Even many of the poor in the US drive to work and have a TV.

        It's interesting to see what will happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Ask Indy, surely he knows.
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      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      Ask Indy, surely he knows.

      ???

      Are you serious - that guys so crazy his brain produces its own medication.

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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        gareth,

        We are ALL crazy. No one has the answers at this point, so producing your own medication is a valuable skill. While I don't always agree with Indy, there are some pearls of insight and wisdom coming out from under that hat.
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  • Profile picture of the author natalie1
    Having been through lay-offs (with a Fortune 500 company) and let go on the final round via a departmental transition to an outsource company, I am always nervous about the economy and its effect on American taxpayers. I think the bailout plan is not perfect but something does need to be done. Advice to self: Keep working on your business and passive income so you're not reliant on your job or market changes.

    I started reading Robert Kiyosaki's book, "Rich Dad's Prophecy" and there's some scary stuff in it related to the year 2016 when the baby-boomers start retiring and its affect on the American economy.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by natalie1 View Post

      Having been through lay-offs (with a Fortune 500 company) and let go on the final round via a departmental transition to an outsource company, I am always nervous about the economy and its effect on American taxpayers. I think the bailout plan is not perfect but something does need to be done. Advice to self: Keep working on your business and passive income so you're not reliant on your job or market changes.

      I started reading Robert Kiyosaki's book, "Rich Dad's Prophecy" and there's some scary stuff in it related to the year 2016 when the baby-boomers start retiring and its affect on the American economy.
      The Bail out is FASCISM and ILLEGAL under the US Constitution. Not saying they can't do something -- but they should consider that if a new Gulag is ever formed for the Bush admin - anyone who voted to take our money for corporate investing will go down with the criminals in office with whom they are in compliance.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by natalie1 View Post

      I started reading Robert Kiyosaki's book, "Rich Dad's Prophecy" and there's some scary stuff in it related to the year 2016 when the baby-boomers start retiring and its affect on the American economy.
      I'm curious as to his definition of baby boomer because according to some they are already starting to retire.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by HarveyJ View Post

      We just have to watch out for the Tasmanian's who will get jealous of our economic success and try to invade from the South.
      Yeah, you should keep an eye on them. They've been quiety re-arming since the last time they got their arses kicked.

      Sneaky Devils, they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by jamieblake View Post

    ...whats going on within your own economy?
    The Irish Government recently quintupled (5x) it's bank deposit guarantees in the last few weeks to head-off what looked like the start of a run on the banks... it fizzled out but the guarantees have remained... and millions of euros have been pouring out of the U.K. into the Irish financial system ever since.

    Talk about unintended consequences...
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      The Irish Government recently quintupled (5x) it's bank deposit guarantees in the last few weeks to head-off what looked like the start of a run on the banks... it fizzled out but the guarantees have remained... and millions of euros have been pouring out of the U.K. into the Irish financial system ever since.

      Talk about unintended consequences...
      Yeah Tommy - - Ya just gotta know that things are completely FUBAR when people start wishing they were Irish!
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  • Profile picture of the author djarchi
    I wouldn't say anyone should be freaking out. But it might be a good idea to start thinking of a preparatory plan to come up with.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I'm not bothered at all as I have no credit cards and no credit card debt.
    The only outstanding loans I have is a car payment and a mortgage.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Indiana View Post

      Er What about this solution...Myob you can probably figure the implications...

      This my solution and come on Myob..Its are REAL free market solution eh?

      Double the value of all currencys in the World... Freeze Debt at current value
      debt is not doubled in value...Voila...HTH...Indy
      Didn't US President Nixon try that in the 1970's? Worked for a awhile, then boom! Illegal drugs is the only free market left in the world now - the only credit crunch is fingers.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    What's going to happen when all the baby boomers retire?
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Well I know you boomers are gonna all draw SS at the same time but what's gonna happen to the country then? No more SS or is the country going to go on like usual? Or will it be the end of America?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andres
    If anything I'm worries about my folks most of all. The the baby boomer ready to retire that will see their 401K vanish and all the money older folks tend to put in CD's that will vanish as well.

    I'm 33 and I can recover but my folks are reaching 70 and they will be SOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Our whole city is on tenderhooks right now. Many people here have lost a lot of their savings through the purchase of Lehman bonds. There is a lot of anger around because they were told by their bank, usually HSBC that the bonds were totally safe.

      There was a run on a bank last week that was started by a false malicious rumour. Sellers of luxuary properties have slashed their asking prices by up to 30%. In one case, a luxuary property that was listed for over $3M in June went for under $1.5M

      The whole atmosphere is so fearful and posionous right now that we may expect further bank runs anytime. Our deposits here are only guaranted up just over $10000.

      I just don't anybody in their right mind here is not freaked out about what may happen next. I honestly feel that they should be rescued Lehmans first but put the 700B rescue package back.

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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      I am not worried.

      I know that if need be, there are MANY ways we could cut back. So could most Americans. There are cell phones, cable tv, etc. that we could always get rid of in order to weather an economic rough patch.

      We will be alert, but not panicky.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      With the treasury printing money like there's no tomorrow, let's hope the value of our cash doesn't begin sliding downward.

      It would really tick me off to have to pay $7.50 for a stinking gallon of gas.
      My dad just came from Italy (on a cruise - lucky guy!) and said gas is almost $10 a gallon there.

      $7.50 seems like a bargain!
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          Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

          Yeah, unless you only have $5 to your name...
          Space Cadet, you can gloom and doom all day - that's your business. Have fun at it.

          I prefer to take steps to make sure that my family is taken care of.

          Did you know that over 60% of Americans were employed (as in working, making money) during the Great Depression?

          Did you know that many housewives - when their husbands lost their jobs - simply took in laundry, rented out rooms and sewed clothes, etc., in order to make ends meet? They used their brains to survive a bad situation.

          Did you know that many families moved in together in order to pool their resources and weather the economic issues?

          Guess what? They survived.

          And so will my family.

          You can wallow in fear. I won't.
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