Do You Judge People Based on Long Hair/Dyed Hair/Piercings

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Warriors,

I was just curious about how many people here would judge someone based on the following:

Dyed hair (Whether it's all dyed or just some of it is partially dyed like one streak of a certain color. An example is some guys have their hair dyed on top blonde and the rest is their natural color. Or, some people have a blue streak in their hair. Some people have all green hair, etc...)

Long hair-This is obviously more geared towards whether you judge a guy who has long hair. If you see someone who looks professional in every other way, suit, tie, dress shirt, etc...Would you still judge him just because he has long hai

Piercings-Do you judge people if they have piercings. Obviously, women who have their ears pierced is pretty common. However, if you see a guy who looks professional otherwise; suit, tie, etc..but he has his ears pierced, do you judge him?

If you see a girl with a nose ring, eyebrow ring, etc...do you judge her? Same with guys, if you see they have other piercings do you judge them?

When I say judge, I guess what I'm getting at is would you do business with them, or would you let the fact the guy had long hair, his ears pierced, and has some blonde streaks in it prevent you from doing business with him?

I'm looking forward to some answers.
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    People look the way they do (as far as dress and bling) because they associate themselves with particular groups or philosophies. It is only natural that we would judge them accordingly.........

    That doesn't mean that you can judge the personality - the goodness, honesty, intellect, etc, by how they choose to decorate themselves.

    For example - when I was growing up some people had long hair, wore bell bottoms, peace signs, wire rim glasses, love beads, and earth shoes. You would have been rather unobservant not to group them into a class of people tagged "hippies". And these people had a common ethos "peace, love, rock and roll". If they did not want to be associated with the group that held that ethos, they didn't adopt the styles of that particular group.

    If people hated this group of people, they would automatically hate any person that they saw signaling people they belong to that group. Because that group was also known to have many members who experimented with drugs, they would also presume that anyone dressed to fit the ethos of that group was a drug addict. Just goes with the territory.

    This is all just natural stuff. People that claim they never judge anyone by their looks...as far as changeable looks are involved anyway......are full of BS and just trying to convince themselves that they are progressive people and PC. Just because we no longer are as ready to judge people by their non-changeable looks - such as color......doesn't mean we will ever be able as humans, to stop judging people by changeable looks...........or that we should. What is the use to taking time to make your association in a particular group outwardly visable, if people were going to not see it?
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        I believe in the old saying, "You can't judge a book by its cover"!

        In my experiences, I have met some very beautiful people of both sexes, very attractive, however in spending just a little time with them, found them to be very ugly people on the inside!

        The opposite situation as well, very unattractive, hard on the eye people becoming very attrative because they are beautiful on the inside!

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        • Profile picture of the author GT
          I reiterate what MissTerrak just said. I've met people in both situations Terra highlighted and have developed valuable friendships on both sides.

          I try to be accepting and tolerant in all things ... but I have to admit, not being into piercings in any form myself, when a heavily pierced server serves me in a restaurant, I find it to be a bit of a turn-off. I don't think I am judging the person. It just seems a bit gross to me to do that to your body.

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            • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
              Most of the time, I don't judge based on appearance, but... people with two heads... I'm sorry, but I just can't get to used to that. I can't help but stare.
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              • Profile picture of the author trevor75
                I think its human nature to judge people by appreance. Its what we all do, until we hear them speak, and then we really find out what there like. I'm not saying its right, but its what we all do.
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

                Most of the time, I don't judge based on appearance, but... people with two heads... I'm sorry, but I just can't get to used to that. I can't help but stare.
                LOL!

                Ken, you crack me up!

                I honestly have to say, can't blame you or anyone else there!

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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    Confession: I have a piercing in my upper ear. I'm still in college though, so I don't bother with it.

    Chances are, if I were to appear for a job interview tomorrow (which I fortunately might never need to, courtesy of IM), I would take it off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    I think by instinct, people do judge.

    For example, if you're walking down the street at 2am and one side has a bunch of guys with tattoos and leather jackets and the other side has a bunch of guys in suits, you do one of two things:

    1) Get off the set of The Outsiders II

    Or

    2) Move to the side with the guys in suits.

    If it looks like a duck... it just might be one. However, that certainly isn't always the case.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      I think by instinct, people do judge.

      For example, if you're walking down the street at 2am and one side has a bunch of guys with tattoos and leather jackets and the other side has a bunch of guys in suits, you do one of two things:

      1) Get off the set of The Outsiders II

      Or

      2) Move to the side with the guys in suits.

      If it looks like a duck... it just might be one. However, that certainly isn't always the case.
      Well Mike being a person who wears a leather jacket and has around 15 tats and 3 ear piercings, I'd be nervous of the suits at 2am.
      But I think you are right when you say people judge, not sure if by instinct.
      I'll judge someone when I first see them, but reserve my judgment till after I've had an interaction with the person.
      When I meet someone with tats, long hair, piercings, or anything else that isn't 'excepted' by society I tend to see them as someone I can trust, till they prove me wrong.
      On the other hand when I meet someone who has short hair, wears suits and is very P.C. I tend to not trust them as I see it as an act to fit in with society. Again that judgment only lasts until they prove me wrong, or right.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Well Mike being a person who wears a leather jacket and has around 15 tats and 3 ear piercings, I'd be nervous of the suits at 2am.
        But I think you are right when you say people judge, not sure if by instinct.
        I'll judge someone when I first see them, but reserve my judgment till after I've had an interaction with the person.
        When I meet someone with tats, long hair, piercings, or anything else that isn't 'excepted' by society I tend to see them as someone I can trust, till they prove me wrong.
        On the other hand when I meet someone who has short hair, wears suits and is very P.C. I tend to not trust them as I see it as an act to fit in with society. Again that judgment only lasts until they prove me wrong, or right.
        Good points...

        I think the 'instinct' that I mention is more of a byproduct of upbringing. If you've lived your entire life around PC people, and seeing guys with tats, etc. in gangs and so forth, then your instinct is to avoid. But, you're right, it works both ways.

        I'm not so sure about being afraid of some suits though... you may have seen too many Matrix flicks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
          I'm gonna dig around and see if I can find a picture of me
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          When you look different (as I did back then) people
          push energy at you. Some of it is friendly, some of it
          is not, but it's there regardless. It takes energy to deal
          with other people pushing their vibes at you.

          One day several years back I was at a filling station
          putting gas in my truck. I was wearing really ratty
          cut-offs and a stained t-shirt. I think I had been
          doing some kind of dirty work. A Chinese lady gave
          me a really dirty look.

          It was only years later that I learned that in the
          Chinese system (Feng Shui) wearing tattered clothing
          is really bad for your prosperity. The woman was
          probably frustrated by seeing a young man who
          (in her world view) was squandering his prospects.
          She probably grimaced in some form of frustration
          because she knew she would probably be unable
          to set me straight due to our cultural differences
          and perhaps her own limited English. I dunno - but
          when I learned about the Feng Shui stuff a few years
          later the experience made more sense.
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          • Profile picture of the author peter_act
            Of course I judge people by how they look - just like everybody else.

            I guess I'm a grumpy old man, but I would never give an admin job to a girl with a nose ring because if I don't like it I bet some of my customers won't like it either.

            I'd give the job to a leggy blue eyed blonde - sad but true.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      and the other side has a bunch of guys in suits
      Wall St bankers you mean?
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Wall St bankers you mean?
        That would have been a better analogy.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Where I come from, you learn to judge people pretty quickly if you know what is good for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ocon9316
    Honestly as a guy with a number of facial piercings and who has dyed his hair in the past, most of "us" are used to being judged. I mean honestly, when I was 18 and dyed my hair neon blue and had a ring hanging from my septum, eyebrows and lip, I expected people to give me weird looks from time to time.

    I never would have expected to walk into a serious job interview with rings hanging from my septum, eyebrows and lip and blue hair and get the job, regardless of my credentials, right or wrong, because that is just the way it is. The owner / manager of the business has to think about what their customers are going to think of me and how that will affect his bottom line.

    I'm relatively more "normal" looking now (hahaha) but it still always makes me laugh when I meet new people and they are genuinely shocked and surprised that I'm a nice, intelligent and thoughtful guy. I think sometime they expect an anarchist who worships Satan and can't refrain from using vulgarities, and I am always more than happy to show them that I am none of those things. This is especially gratifying when meeting parents of new girlfriends and relieving them of their initial shock
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Again that judgment only lasts until they prove me wrong, or right.
    Exactly.

    Our first impression of a person, though, admit it or not is by how they CHOOSE to represent themselves.
    The way we choose to wear our hair is sometimes a statement of our philosophies - so is the choice of tatooing or peircing.

    How we CHOOSE to look is a SIGNAL to people about some of our values and philosophies and people DO judge us by those things.
    That doesn't mean that we always continue those judgments after we know the person better. But seeing how a person CHOOSES to look, does say something about how they feel about certain aspects of a society.

    Anyone that says they never looked at a hippie and thought "hippie" or a punk rocker and said "punk rocker" is just dead flat out in denial.

    There's nothing wrong with that........until you start refusing to get to know someone or think of them as a valuable or good human because of how they choose to "package" themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yes - it's instinctual. We catagorize our world and by thus doing so we also catagorize people in it. We are tribal in nature - pack animals and we use signals as our indication if others are part of the pack or even "pack friendly". Of course, we communicate on higher levels as well, so our categorizations can be changed with further evidence.

    The reasons businesses like to hire people who keep their pack signals generic is because they want customers focused on what they are selling, not on the personal statements of the employees. The more generic the personal statements of the employees, the less likely people are to rule out association with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

    When I say judge, I guess what I'm getting at is would you do business with them, or would you let the fact the guy had long hair, his ears pierced, and has some blonde streaks in it prevent you from doing business with him?
    Depends on the business.

    If I wanted to manage a death metal band, those attributes might be mandatory.



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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Nope. I do my best not to.

    Why?

    Because I'm one of the commonly judged. I have been "gothic" since high school. Black hair, makeup, nails etc. I have numerous peircings, including one through my tongue. And I also sport tattoos.

    Now of course when people think gothic they come to the dark and dreery always depressed type thought. And for the most part I am not in anyway like that.

    A perfect example is that I got married in a black dress with a black cloak. White wouldn't have felt right. But it was a bright, "normal" wedding by every other standard. Did peeps look at me weird walking into the hotel for the wedding, hell ya. But it comes with being different. So be it. Someone who can't accept me as is, isn't worth knowing in my opinion.

    But yes, I think most people do judge a book by it's cover and I think it is only natural in the society we currently live in.

    I loved some times in high school because I NEVER fit in with any specific group. I was a nerd because I maintained honour roll. I was a geek cause I loved computers and electronics. A goth because I dress in all black, with the occassional colour accent. A drama freak because I was part of the crew. And you know what, looking back, I wouldn't have done it any other way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Why wouldn't we judge people based on these choices?

    If you really think about it, aren't the people that choose these options actually wanting us to judge them based on their tats and piercings? If not, why bother changing your appearance if it doesn't change the "judgements" made about your appearance?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Why wouldn't we judge people based on these choices?

      If you really think about it, aren't the people that choose these options actually wanting us to judge them based on their tats and piercings? If not, why bother changing your appearance if it doesn't change the "judgements" made about your appearance?
      Nope, not at all. I do it because that's how I am comfortable. Not to be judged. I feel more comfortable within my own skin the way I am, and so I do it. Irregardless of how others will judge me for it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

        Nope, not at all. I do it because that's how I am comfortable. Not to be judged. I feel more comfortable within my own skin the way I am, and so I do it. Irregardless of how others will judge me for it.

        Sylvia
        I won't argue with you over why you say you do something. But my post is as much about how you feel about others without tats, piercings, and goth clothes as they do about you.


        And, I can still offer my "judgment" and when I see people that use the style you describe, I "judge" that person as someone that's trying to say they don't want to conform to what society says is "normal", but still want to be a part of society.

        Truth is, others do judge others by appearance. And I see nothing wrong with judging people by the options they choose. This is different than judging people based on things they can't change about their appearance. But if you ride a moped while wearing a beanie with a little propeller on it, I'm going to make a judgement, at least a temporary one.

        It's a fact that first impressions make a lasting impression...However, when the conversation is posed as a politically correct subject such as this thread, it's funny how many say first impressions don't matter to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Kurt,
    You know I look at other people that dress in bright colours or all white or whatever the same way I would hope (keyword is hope) they would look at me, as just another person.

    And you are entitled to your terms of judging people, just as everyone is. I personally, try, not to. At all. And would hope that more people would do the same. Truth is though most people do judge, it is human nature and how we have been conditioned.

    And you are right, first impressions do make lasting impressions. I simply hope people can eventually get past those first impressions and learn the true person beneath all the outwardly appearances and make their judgement based on the actual person, and not on the clothes they wear.

    A perfect example is the way people look at the homeless population in this city, they look at them as people who are lazy, don't want to work etc, when something like 75% (don't quote me on that but it is really high) of this cities homeless are working poor. If others took a moment to stop and talk to them as equals, the stories and lives they lead is quite amazing, and in many cases filled with circumstances beyond their control, and their homelessness is not a product of laziness but of a society that allows much too many people to fall through it's cracks.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      I judge people by how well they play golf. If they're good....I hate 'em...:p

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        I judge people by how well they play golf. If they're good....I hate 'em...:p

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
        Jason,
        Peoples actions can mean many different things therefore, there's no
        reason to Judge. Just observe, be aware and let the Force be with You!
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        I judge people by how well they play golf. If they're good....I hate 'em...:p

        KJ
        So, Tiger is on your $hit List then?
        Guess I'm next because I kicked Tiger's A$$ the other night on WII!

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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

          Guess I'm next because I kicked Tiger's A$$ the other night on WII!
          LOL, I didn't think he had any left at this point.

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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
            Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

            LOL, I didn't think he had any left at this point.

            KJ
            Tiger isn't a quitter!
            He wouldn't have stopped till he finished 18 holes.

            Another Fact is he is also a Champ at Stroke Play.
            He knows how to hold and swing a club better than most players.

            Heck, I also heard that when he plays poker, he knows when to hold um and when to fold um.

            OK, I'm done.

            Have a Great Day!
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            • Profile picture of the author es5
              Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

              Tiger isn't a quitter!
              He wouldn't have stopped till he finished 18 holes.

              Another Fact is he is also a Champ at Stroke Play.
              He knows how to hold and swing a club better than most players.

              Heck, I also heard that when he plays poker, he knows when to hold um and when to fold um.

              OK, I'm done.

              Have a Great Day!
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              Haha. But hey, if you had a billion dollars - wouldn't you want to live life up a bit
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Sylvia --

    Why is it you are more comfortable in black than more conventional dress? The black will say something about your personality. If you weren't you then you would dress a different way -- that is why people judge on the choices people make about their appearance. Because our choices say things about who we are. It's only when people make judgments that others are not good people because they are different that our conceptions of how we see each other cause any harm.
    I am not a Christian, but when I see someone wearing a cross or a St. Christopher metal, I know they are making a statement about their belief system and automatically assume they are a Christian. Is that such a bad thing? If it is a bad thing, why would someone go out of their way to wear something that identifies this mindset?

    We choose the factors that we can change about our appearance according to who we are and what we think ........and our clothes and hair, etc. are therefore emblems of who we are. You like black. It identifies you with a gothic mindset and therefore people with think that you have one. That could be wrong - maybe you just like black. Your choice just happens to be an emblem of that way of life. What would be real wrong is to judge that you are a crappy or wonderful person because you wear black.

    I like white business shirts. I wear them a lot. Some people mistake me for being a very professionally minded person when they see me sporting such business dress. Actually I find the shirts practical for mountain climbing. Go figure. But I can understand were people get the business idea of me from seeing how I wear clothes are familiar to people as business dress. It's a bit fun sometimes when people think I am on my way to work or a meeting when I am actually about to climb 1,000 feet to go dig in the dirt. LOL
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    no point judging anyone. if there happy let em be, live and let live.. less ye be judged ;p or less there killing ppl lol
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  • Profile picture of the author whiteeth
    Yes, sometimes. Because your fashion and style reflects your personality. But I don't always look at physical appearance. What he/she says is more important.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
      Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe View Post

      I'm one of the commonly judged. I have been "gothic" since high school. Black hair, makeup, nails etc. I have numerous peircings, including one through my tongue. And I also sport tattoos.

      Now of course when people think gothic they come to the dark and dreery always depressed type thought. And for the most part I am not in anyway like that.

      A perfect example is that I got married in a black dress with a black cloak. White wouldn't have felt right. But it was a bright, "normal" wedding by every other standard. Did peeps look at me weird walking into the hotel for the wedding, hell ya. But it comes with being different. So be it. Someone who can't accept me as is, isn't worth knowing in my opinion.

      But yes, I think most people do judge a book by it's cover and I think it is only natural in the society we currently live in.

      I loved some times in high school because I NEVER fit in with any specific group. I was a nerd because I maintained honour roll. I was a geek cause I loved computers and electronics. A goth because I dress in all black, with the occassional colour accent. A drama freak because I was part of the crew. And you know what, looking back, I wouldn't have done it any other way.
      I can relate a lot to you, Sylvia.

      When I was little I had NO idea what "goth" was, but I was in love with black clothing (particularly Victorian and Renaissance), listened to mostly minor-key classical music growing up, and always wanted to visit and take pictures in cathedrals and cemeteries... I didn't really dress the part till middle school/high school, but as I got older my style evolved a lot. I also added a LOT of music to my library over the years.

      I haven't gotten married yet but am engaged - I've already picked out a beautiful black wedding dress. I never, ever wanted to get married in white, because it doesn't and has never felt "right." It's going to be a pretty nontraditional wedding though - even though I don't follow a specific organized religion, I am a very spiritual person.

      I had a ton of friends in high school, though I wasn't necessarily accepted by everyone. I would get pegged with the usual stereotypes, but as I got older I found I subconsciously tuned it out. The way I figure it, if people are going to be that shallow I don't need them around, so I won't bend over for them.

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Why is it you are more comfortable in black than more conventional dress? The black will say something about your personality. If you weren't you then you would dress a different way -- that is why people judge on the choices people make about their appearance. Because our choices say things about who we are. It's only when people make judgments that others are not good people because they are different that our conceptions of how we see each other cause any harm.
      I am not a Christian, but when I see someone wearing a cross or a St. Christopher metal, I know they are making a statement about their belief system and automatically assume they are a Christian. Is that such a bad thing? If it is a bad thing, why would someone go out of their way to wear something that identifies this mindset?

      We choose the factors that we can change about our appearance according to who we are and what we think ........and our clothes and hair, etc. are therefore emblems of who we are. You like black. It identifies you with a gothic mindset and therefore people with think that you have one. That could be wrong - maybe you just like black. Your choice just happens to be an emblem of that way of life. What would be real wrong is to judge that you are a crappy or wonderful person because you wear black.
      I know it wasn't directed at me but I felt compelled to answer

      As someone who wears black nearly 24/7 (I say nearly because I *do* have this really beautiful blood-red corset... anyway), I feel more comfortable dressing the way I do because it feels like ME. At the risk of sounding corny, I find it very soul-nourishing. I find a certain spirituality and depth that most are never aware of, and I feel I carry a piece of that depth with me at all times.

      I am also not Christian, but I do wear crosses, along with the Egyptian Ankh and the pentacle. I've never combined all three, but I have been spotted wearing both a cross and a pentacle for instance. I wear all for different reasons. The cross is of course the trickiest one - even though I don't believe in the religion I do love a lot of the older Orthodox Christian aesthetics (an Orthodox service is COMPLETELY unlike a Catholic or Protestant one) as well as the older Gothic churches. Moreover, never in history has a symbol had so many meanings - while many see it as a sign of peace, you can't forget the blood and brutality (it was, after all, a method of execution), and the cross was used before Christ ever came into the picture... To sum up, aesthetics, fascination, and brutality all rolled into one.

      I also realize that people often have misconceptions about the Ankh and Pentacle, or my reasons for wearing them. I once had a friend versed in ancient Egyptian religion, or Kemetic Reconstruction, and that was probably the closest connection I'd ever felt to an organized religion. I don't follow it, per se, but am influenced by and am fascinated by ancient Egyptian beliefs. The Pentacle often gets grouped into DIABOLICAL SATANISM (tangent note about Satanism: there are the sick f**ks, who of course give the rest of us a bad name and therefore should fall off the face of the earth; then there are the Levayans, who, while self-empowerment is great, they take it to the extreme and basically become assholes; then the Luciferians, who feel that Lucifer the Fallen Angel was punished for bringing knowledge to the world - the latter two don't actually worship Satan, but rather worship themselves and become narcissists or feel grateful for said knowledge), or Wicca (which many people misconstrue as the be-all-end-all of paganism and the occult... it's not even 100 years old, and has quite frankly become a hodge-podge because it spread itself so thin), neither of which I am a part of.

      Interesting fact... up till about the year 1000 the Pentacle was also used as a Christian symbol. It's been used so many times that no one can really give it a singular use.

      Sorry, I know I went off on a ramble, but those are my $0.02
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I have tattoos, have had piercings and long hair, so I know that people do judge on those types of things.

    I generally don't unless the person is stupid in their choices.

    Long hair is no big deal, and nowadays, men with long hair really isn't the 'in' thing. And if someone truly has an issue with it, long hair can always be pulled into a pony tail or tucked under a hat or whatever. Colored hair is going to get you judged

    Piercings and tats are a different story. My tat is very large but it can't be seen because its covered by most shirts i wear. That is how i kept from being 'judged' by the tat in work situations. Whe someone does something like put steel in or ink on their faces, they are asking to be judged...and they will probalby be judged as stupid because once you mark up your face like that, you have just effectively reduced your career options to professional wrestler or carnival attraction.

    While in some fantasy utopia, everyone would be very accepting of whatever personal expression others have..in reality there is a certain way to present yourself if you want to be accepted. If you dont want to be generally accepted, thats fine, but dont cry about how everyone is narrow minded when you are going out of your way to be as different as you can. You are outnumbered and when it comes to social acceptance...the 'side' with the greater numbers will dictate what is accepted.
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Girls going for job interviews should realise that the vast majority of people hiring staff are middle aged men in suits, and body piercing and tattoos do not go down too well.

      They won't get the job.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

        Girls going for job interviews should realise that the vast majority of people hiring staff are middle aged men in suits, and body piercing and tattoos do not go down too well.

        They won't get the job.
        Well thats a lie... Not the middle aged men part but getting the job because of a piercing or a tattoo. Each can be taken out or covered up while at work, why would something that can be taken out or covered up effect her job chances. There is certain etiquette when it comes to having a job interview, if she is pierced all over here face then she probably wouldn't get it. If she has a piercing on the ear she could easily get it, same as the nose etc... All they would say to her is, we don't allows piercings while on the shop floor, or why you sit in your cubical, it wouldn't effect in anyway. When I go out shopping, I see died hair, piercings and the occasional tattoo showing every time I go out.
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        • Profile picture of the author peter_act
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Well thats a lie... Not the middle aged men part but getting the job because of a piercing or a tattoo. Each can be taken out or covered up while at work, why would something that can be taken out or covered up effect her job chances. There is certain etiquette when it comes to having a job interview, if she is pierced all over here face then she probably wouldn't get it. If she has a piercing on the ear she could easily get it, same as the nose etc... .
          I should have said a piercing or tattoo which was visible during the interview.
          Sorry butters, but as a middle aged hirer in a suit, anyone wearing even an ear piercing or a nose stud visible at an interview would not get a job from me, no matter how good her resume.

          Am I pre-judging her? Of course I am, but the point is, so will my customers when they see her at the reception desk, and I can't afford any bad first impressions of my business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

      Did you get your piercings and tattoos to be different? That's not my motivation.
      No, it wasn't my motivation, however 'being different' did have something to do with where the tat was placed. You can be 'too different' with tats and piercings. And thats fine...if again you want to be a pro wrestler or carnival sideshow worker.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bitethehand
    Yes I do and we (as a society) do judge people based on appearance...I dont think its right, but it is what it is. Some people play the game, and others refuse to play the game...if you refuse to play the game, then unfortunately you may come off worse than the guy next to you who plays it!
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  • Profile picture of the author erwindegrave
    People do tend to judge. It's our very nature.. However, when we talk about internet marketing business, we should not judge based on appearance but on performance alone :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think the differences here are in our definition of "judge". Some people think of "judge" as always being a negative thing. Others see "judge" as just a natural way to summarize a situation until they know more.

    Of course everyone should be given an equal chance. However if a situation came up where a forced quick judgment was necessary, then I'd probably go w/ the statistics. And usually most stereotypes have truth in them, and can be proven w/ stats. I'm not saying that people should ultimately be judged by a stereo-type, but there do come times when you don't have time to get to know someone, and a quick judgment has to be made.

    For instance, if my son is drowning. Am I going to choose the guy standing there in a swimsuit with a whistle around his neck? Or am I going to choose the guy standing there in a clown suit? I'm going to make a quick judgment based solely on the attire. I may be completely wrong, but in this case I'm going w/ the stats.
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    • Profile picture of the author cybergod
      I will never judge a person from his Long Hair/Dyed Hair/Piercings. We are living in a new era... nothing seems to be as such as we see...
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      • Profile picture of the author ShanghaiTours
        I am ok with long hair or dyed hair, but if they look too outrangous, I will feel uncomfortable.
        Too much piercing always makes me feel the person may be difficult to get along with. That's stereotype...I know it is bad to judge.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Comments in blue...

    Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

    Warriors,

    I was just curious about how many people here would judge someone based on the following:

    Dyed hair (Whether it's all dyed or just some of it is partially dyed like one streak of a certain color. An example is some guys have their hair dyed on top blonde and the rest is their natural color. Or, some people have a blue streak in their hair. Some people have all green hair, etc...)

    It depends on the business. And on the hair. If it's something that looks like it was done purely for shock value, it's not a deal killer, but it does set the bar higher on other things. If I showed up for a meeting with a financial adviser, and they had a purple Mohawk, they'd better blow my socks off with their presentation...

    Long hair-This is obviously more geared towards whether you judge a guy who has long hair. If you see someone who looks professional in every other way, suit, tie, dress shirt, etc...Would you still judge him just because he has long hair

    Again, it depends. If it looks like someone stuffed a Grateful Dead roadie into a suit, it's an obstacle. Neat, clean long hair doesn't really bother me. Of course, my generation rebelled by growing our hair long...

    Piercings-Do you judge people if they have piercings. Obviously, women who have their ears pierced is pretty common. However, if you see a guy who looks professional otherwise; suit, tie, etc..but he has his ears pierced, do you judge him?

    If you see a girl with a nose ring, eyebrow ring, etc...do you judge her? Same with guys, if you see they have other piercings do you judge them?


    Like the dyed hair, if it's obviously done for shock value, my initial opinion goes down.

    When I say judge, I guess what I'm getting at is would you do business with them, or would you let the fact the guy had long hair, his ears pierced, and has some blonde streaks in it prevent you from doing business with him?

    I'm looking forward to some answers.
    If long hair, blond streaks and pierced ears are normal (or at least common) in a particular field, no biggie. If it's uncommon, it sets the bar higher for other factors.

    Now I'm looking forward to going back and reading the other answers.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

      I judge people by how well they play golf. If they're good....I hate 'em...:p

      KJ
      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      You'd love me
      When people ask me what my handicap is, I tell them it's my swing...

      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Piercings and tats are a different story. My tat is very large but it can't be seen because its covered by most shirts i wear. That is how i kept from being 'judged' by the tat in work situations. Whe someone does something like put steel in or ink on their faces, they are asking to be judged...and they will probalby be judged as stupid because once you mark up your face like that, you have just effectively reduced your career options to professional wrestler or carnival attraction.
      This reminds me of a cartoon I saw in a magazine several years ago. On one side of the panel, you saw two prototype "housewife" types of the time. On the other side, you saw a balding man in an easy chair watching TV - with the F-word prominently tattooed on his scalp. The caption read "He was a closet rebel when he was younger..."
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    First impression is important means judge a book by it's cover
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  • Profile picture of the author Jagged
    As a business owner with prospective employee's coming in for employment interviews...I have to look at this in 2 perspectives...1 personally & 1 from the business end...

    From business....If there was a applicant who came in with a purple mohawk, 6 earrings in each ear, his/her lips with multiple piercings....That person could be Ghandi for all i care.....I'm sorry but that's not the image my company is trying to portray....
    If they want to have a business life looking that way...they better start their own business....

    From personal......after hours....behind closed doors,...
    I could give a rats ass to what you do or look like or believe in....

    Tats....some are true art & stand the test of time....while others are "WTF were you thinking!!" bad....I hope they can live with them when they are 50 & the tattoo is now 6 inches lower, stretched & fade....covered by a fat fold...

    Me...I have no tats, I have no piercings...
    The good lord gave me enough holes in my body...I have no need for more...
    My hair is modestly on the longer side...
    Do I judge?
    If you were walking down the street....I'd think...hey...to each their own...
    But...if you came to my front door looking to date my daughter.....ummm, we seriously would need to have a little talk...

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      But...if you came to my front door looking to date my daughter.....ummm, we seriously would need to have a little talk...
      As someone who raised 4 girls I don't care what they look like at the front door, I never trusted any of them.
      My one girl had a date one night with a guy going to a military type high school. Very clean cut, very polite. He tried to rape her a half hour out the door
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  • Profile picture of the author jerome1111
    I think that how a person carries him or herself is more important then just the style they wish to subscribe to personally. Besides, these days its such a common occurrence to have tattoos and such that i dont think i would even bat an eye even in a business setting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simo
    I am very judgmental on only one thing:

    people's actions

    ...and even then i'm still a hypocrite lol
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

      As someone who raised 4 girls I don't care what they look like at the front door, I never trusted any of them.
      My one girl had a date one night with a guy going to a military type high school. Very clean cut, very polite. He tried to rape her a half hour out the door
      Where did they ship the remains? :confused:

      The father of one of the girls I dated just out of high school worked for the police forensics unit. On the first date, he spent the time until she was ready telling war stories and showing me old case files - complete with phots - along with his trophy case full of marksmanship trophies.

      I later found out that was his standard MO...
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Where did they ship the remains? :confused:

        The father of one of the girls I dated just out of high school worked for the police forensics unit. On the first date, he spent the time until she was ready telling war stories and showing me old case files - complete with phots - along with his trophy case full of marksmanship trophies.

        I later found out that was his standard MO...
        She took care of him
        3 of the 4 girls can stand up to most guys in an unfair fight (I never taught fair fighting).
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          She took care of him
          3 of the 4 girls can stand up to most guys in an unfair fight (I never taught fair fighting).
          Good for her! I hope she took the creep right out of the gene pool...

          Had I ever had daughters, I'd have taught them the same way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          She took care of him
          3 of the 4 girls can stand up to most guys in an unfair fight (I never taught fair fighting).
          Love to hear that.

          I had a baby sister that through her and I fighting when she was a kid, and me teaching her a little more (without the actual beatings) when we got older, she could hold her own with most any guy..and I didnt teach her to fight fair either.

          When we got older we used to frequent the same little bars in our home town, and my proudest moment came as I was walking into one of our haunts on a friday night through the back door and I hear her voice coming from right inside the door yelling 'i dare you to hit me again' I hear what sounds like a solid punch land and then the guy she was dating, who was a big cornfed farmboy that outweighed her by a good 100lbs or so, came rolling out the door backwards a$$ over tea-kettle with her following and lining him up for the next shot. I had to pull her off him or she would have beat him purple.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Good for her! I hope she took the creep right out of the gene pool...

            Had I ever had daughters, I'd have taught them the same way.
            She aimed low, and kicked high
            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            Love to hear that.

            I had a baby sister that through her and I fighting when she was a kid, and me teaching her a little more (without the actual beatings) when we got older, she could hold her own with most any guy..and I didnt teach her to fight fair either.

            When we got older we used to frequent the same little bars in our home town, and my proudest moment came as I was walking into one of our haunts on a friday night through the back door and I hear her voice coming from right inside the door yelling 'i dare you to hit me again' I hear what sounds like a solid punch land and then the guy she was dating, who was a big cornfed farmboy that outweighed her by a good 100lbs or so, came rolling out the door backwards a$$ over tea-kettle with her following and lining him up for the next shot. I had to pull her off him or she would have beat him purple.
            See that's why I don't hit women.
            Has nothing to do with 'it's not right for a man to hit a women', it's more 'it's not right for a man to get the crap kicked out of him by a women'.
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            • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
              I really don't have a problem with people's personal tastes, whether it's long hair (hey, I grew up in those hippie years), tats, piercings, whatever...what's more important to me is what's on the inside. Some people's looks can be really scary, but then you talk to them and they are the nicest people you'd ever want to meet and because you gave them a chance without judging them, well, they now got your back!

              the one thing I am a stickler for is cleanliness, however...

              as far as proper "business" attire is concerned...I'm a rebel...that's why I work for myself, so I would encourage anyone who is a non-conformist to start their own small business, so then you can look however you want unless you have to have face to face meetings with conservative-type clients, then I suggest an appropriate "business" look.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    I think that judging people on piercings, tattoos etc is just as bad as being racist.

    Many people might claim they wouldn't hire someone with tattoos and piercings, even though they might otherwise be presentable, because their clients might be put off.

    That's like saying "I'm not going to hire a <insert colour here> man, because my <insert other colour here> customers wouldn't like it".

    Until people are protected by employment law, discrimination will continue.
    Oh, cobbloaders, Chris.

    Are you saying that you'd employ someone with "Screw You" tattood across their forehead as a receptionist?

    Everyone has the right to decide how they wish to present themselves to the world. Employers have the same right to choose how their business is presented to clients and customers.

    There's no comparison to racism.


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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Hi Chris

      Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

      Ah but you quote what is frankly an extreme example and not representative of 99% of cases at all.
      Yeah. That was kind of the point. If you believe that such a scenario would be unacceptable, then you concede the principle and the discussion becomes a question of degree.


      What's wrong with an employee having a nose piercing, for example?
      Nobody is saying such a practice is wrong.


      The only reason for having such a policy is having a belief that it is bad for business (whether it really is or not is another matter).
      And my contention is that what is considered bad for business is a decision for the business owner.

      There may well come a time in the not too distant future when piercings and tattoos on front-line company representatives will be seen as no additional and avoidable barrier to business. But until then, it should be a matter for the employer. We surely don't need to add to the burden of regulations already heaped upon businesses. They exist to make a profit, not to be in the vanguard of modernising public opinion and attitudes.

      That's why I say it is not so different to racism.
      I shouldn't have to spell out the difference between race and an individual making a free choice about his/her appearance.


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  • Profile picture of the author BrianLeanza
    I might be very biased here, since I had very long hair myself for a long time.

    Generally I DO judge people on the length of their hair: I tend to trust men with long hair a lot more than those having a 'civilized' haircut. Also there comes it the 'tie factor'. Somebody that is doing business with me wearing a tie? He has lost a few points in advance.

    Of course that is probably only me. Must be my age or generation, no idea ... but I'd rather partner with a guy in blue jeans and long hair than somebody with a short hair-cut, a tie, and a business suite.
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  • Profile picture of the author chimeara27
    No i don't judge people because what they wear or the looks of their face or something. I got to know them first before i judge them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Hair - I am almost always attracted to guys with long hair for many years, to this day. As long as it is clean hair and in some cases after a certain age best pulled back in a pony tail. I also think women look better with long hair - very few can wear short styles and still look feminine.

    I also like facial hair on men but it really must be very well-groomed and maintained - otherwise it is gross and dirty looking especially after a certain age.

    I went through a stage where I liked punk styles but very few can actually pull it off without looking ridiculous - maybe just the time changed - As for if I could trust them, it would depend on their overall appearance and mannerisms. Love the rebels but haters would be hard to deal with in business.

    I love dyed hair - blue and violet are my favorites - cherry is ok on some people too. I also like platinum blonde and wish I could pull it off myself, but know I would look ridiculous.

    Tattoos - I am sorry to say I think women look ugly with them most of the time - guys look ok mostly. I have known tattoo artists that had tattoos over 90% of their body - if well done they can be nice but I think most people get addicted to it and over do it.

    Piercings - I would love to have a diamond stud in my nose but am chicken that it would get infected - it just doesn't seem like the place to mess around being the nose has so much bacteria including staph.

    Other piercings even on the lips can be attractive in moderation. I am horrified with the tongue thingys though and all my maternal instincts start screaming inside my head.

    I like artistic people and consider them to be very intelligent - therefore I would have no hesitation in doing business with someone who has 'altered' themselves tastefully.

    With that said they are sometimes missing the business gene - I suspect that is why they are so often 'starving' artists. Of course if they are unreliable space cadets then my opinion of them as a business partner would change big time.

    ... just don't over do it and don't do something to make yourself look ugly. Especially permanent things like tattoos - really think about it before you do it (or do it someplace you can cover with clothes).
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