"Freeze" By Hey Sal and Steven Wagenheim...And Some Talk About Guitars

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Well...um...It's done.

Sal...it ain't commercial...that's for sure.

How do I put this?

Well, maybe this will help.

rhapsody [ˈræpsədɪ]n pl -dies1. (Music, other) Music a composition free in structure and highly emotional in character

Aside from being a performance and mixing nightmare, this thing is all over
the place. I can honestly say I have never done anything quite like this
before.

Anyway, don't hold back folks. Sal and I are big boys and girls.

Lyrics are below video


I can feel you, feel cold radiate from your soul
embers smother and die deep beneath
don't leave me to freeze Don't you do this to me
Can't you reach deep - stoke the flicker to flame?
We can't dance when I'm chilled with his blame.

It wasn't me who did this to you
didn't misuse youwon't abuse you
this ain't what was - but will this ever be?
Can't console what I can't hold
Chained in ice, love can't breathe, it won't unfold

(Chorus)
Don't freeze me out Don't freeze me out
I'm done with this dead drill - getting sick from all your chill
Done with all your ice - Heed close, my last advice
Don't you freeze me out

What will it take for me to reach you?
My mind is so numb I can not feel you.
Ice falls from lips - I can't heal you
My advice, your last chance
warm my hands we can dance
Blow more frost and I will grieve you.

(Chorus - Twice)
Don't freeze me out Don't freeze me out
I'm done with this dead drill - getting sick from all your chill
Done with all your ice - Heed close, my last advice
Don't -you - freeze - me - out
  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
    I'm always blown away how folks can write lyrics and music and make it look so easy. I know it's not, but you guys put this together really fast.

    Thanks for sharing this, btw. It's a gas to watch all this unfold.

    Sal's a poet afterall...

    KJ

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    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    KJ......um...Video? You're not gonna dance in a mankini or anything are ya?
    Not trying to step on your thread here Steven, but now I can see why Sal was asking me if I was "gonna dance in a mankini or anything".

    Not in this weather!!!!!!!!

    So let me axt you this...Is this like a first take and then you refine it a bit, or this the final take.

    The reason I ask is it would be a lot of fun to make a music video using this song but the production qualities would need a little help. That's not a knock, just sayin'...

    That's if you're cool with it...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

      I'm always blown away how folks can write lyrics and music and make it look so easy. I know it's not, but you guys put this together really fast.

      Thanks for sharing this, btw. It's a gas to watch all this unfold.

      Sal's a poet afterall...

      KJ

      P.S.



      Not trying to step on your thread here Steven, but now I can see why Sal was asking me if I was "gonna dance in a mankini or anything".

      Not in this weather!!!!!!!!

      So let me axt you this...Is this like a first take and then you refine it a bit, or this the final take.

      The reason I ask is it would be a lot of fun to make a music video using this song but the production qualities would need a little help. That's not a knock, just sayin'...

      That's if you're cool with it...

      Bill it's just a rough demo. If a publisher shows some interest, then we'll
      invest in a professional recording. Like I said, this was a mixing and
      arranging nightmate because there is so much going on in it and I don't
      have a $100,000 recording studio.
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Like I said, this was a mixing and arranging nightmate because there is so much going on in it and I don't have a $100,000 recording studio.
        Slacker...

        J/K, It amazes me you can produce what you do. Especially in such a short time.

        You might want to do a little collaboration with Caliban on this tune and see what he can add pointerwise.

        Other than that..

        KJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    I'm thinking Pat Benatar could tear that one up...!

    I'm not even going to begin to critique the song, I'm no song critic. But I know what I like and don't like.

    Usually, what I like makes me want to move. And buddy when you poured on the coal at that first chorus I stood up so fast I whacked my head on a cabinet....

    Powerful lyrics Sal, and pretty damn decent job you did with it Steven.

    I'm impressed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

      I'm thinking Pat Benatar could tear that one up...!

      I'm not even going to begin to critique the song, I'm no song critic. But I know what I like and don't like.

      Usually, what I like makes me want to move. And buddy when you poured on the coal at that first chorus I stood up so fast I whacked my head on a cabinet....

      Powerful lyrics Sal, and pretty damn decent job you did with it Steven.

      I'm impressed.
      Thanks Dave. Sal deserves most of the credit for this one. Her writing is
      so unusual, at least for me, that it got THAT out of me...and I don't
      normally do songs like that...if you heard some of my power pop syrupy
      concoctions.

      Honestly, I don't even know where this came from. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Steven,
        Yes! Bring it on!

        Sal,
        Awesome lyrics, girlfriend!

        Guys, with a little polish, this could definately be a hit!!

        MissTerraK
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Steven,
          Yes! Bring it on!

          Sal,
          Awesome lyrics, girlfriend!

          Guys, with a little polish, this could definately be a hit!!

          MissTerraK
          Actually I'm just a composer. Hopefully, a publisher, without a tin ear, will
          recognize the potential (if any) and contract it. Then he'll pitch it to some
          A&R guys in this genre who, hopefully, will also not have a tin ear and
          recognize the potential, have a group in mind to record it, one that can
          actually play worth a sh*t, and THEN, adding to that a decent studio,
          you'll have a finished recording that you'll be listening to on your radio.

          In other words, the polish ain't gonna be coming from the likes of me.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Actually I'm just a composer. Hopefully, a publisher, without a tin ear, will
            recognize the potential (if any) and contract it. Then he'll pitch it to some
            A&R guys in this genre who, hopefully, will also not have a tin ear and
            recognize the potential, have a group in mind to record it, one that can
            actually play worth a sh*t, and THEN, adding to that a decent studio,
            you'll have a finished recording that you'll be listening to on your radio.

            In other words, the polish ain't gonna be coming from the likes of me.
            I knew that Steve!

            I'm just saying after listening to your other work, this really pulled something different from you and I could just imagine you going wild in that there studio of yours! And it really made me smile!

            Wish I could have been ther to watch! More exciting than watching the ball drop and wild cheers in Times Square on New Years Eve, I bet!:p

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    I LOVE IT! YEAH!

    Yeah - Steve - you hit it! I can't believe you did that to my words! I can't remember being so excited before -- I just danced to MY OWN song!

    That's what I was saying in your last thread that you had with your songs -- that's what I wanted to SEE - what I wanted to FEEL. I told you that you didn't have to have a booming base voice to rock it hard. You nailed it pal. 100% -- Stabbing Westward - Puddle of Mud -------STAND BACK Cause STEVE and SAL are in the house and we're gonna rock the thing to the ground.

    Whew. That felt so damned good. Steve -- I just can't believe you did that. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha,

    Here we are folks.......GEEKS ON ROCK!

    I knew the lyrics were choppy and wanted to get that rhythm chopped a little like the music
    I showed you and you nailed it right to the wall pal.

    WOW. JUST WOW.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

      I LOVE IT! YEAH!

      Yeah - Steve - you hit it! I can't believe you did that to my words! I can't remember being so excited before -- I just danced to MY OWN song!

      That's what I was saying in your last thread that you had with your songs -- that's what I wanted to SEE - what I wanted to FEEL. I told you that you didn't have to have a booming base voice to rock it hard. You nailed it pal. 100% -- Stabbing Westward - Puddle of Mud -------STAND BACK Cause STEVE and SAL are in the house and we're gonna rock the thing to the ground.

      Whew. That felt so damned good. Steve -- I just can't believe you did that. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha,

      Here we are folks.......GEEKS ON ROCK!

      I knew the lyrics were choppy and wanted to get that rhythm chopped a little like the music
      I showed you and you nailed it right to the wall pal.

      WOW. JUST WOW.

      Sal...you made my day

      Maybe my year.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I just played this for my wife on our stereo system.

        Let me tell you, this sucker rocks! The first chorus and that finale just
        sent me flying and my wife actually came out of the kitchen to listen.

        The lyrics kind of disturbed her a little bit, but you have to understand,
        this is a gal who listens to Christian Rock and Clay Aiken.

        But she said to me, and I quote, "Well, you're a real rocker now."

        Thank you Sal.

        Oh, and she said it was VERY catchy.

        Heck, I've listened to it about 10 times tonight (not counting all the
        playbacks during mixdown) and I'm still crazy about it.

        My heart's actually pumping like mad after listening to it.

        Hell, commercial or not...I'm sending this to every alternative publisher I
        can think of.

        Now I just gotta get my hands on the latest Songwriters Market.
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        • Profile picture of the author ECS Dave
          Oh wow!

          I don't know Sally or Steven all that well, other than that Sal is a raging rockhound,
          and Steven is one heck of a marketer/writer (at least what I've seen anyways),
          but this, umm, this just like really rocked me on out!

          Well done you two!

          Be Well!
          Dave

          P.S. Plus it got me logged back into the WF, from which I had been missing for some time, LOL!
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by ECS Dave View Post

            Oh wow!

            I don't know Sally or Steven all that well, other than that Sal is a raging rockhound,
            and Steven is one heck of a marketer/writer (at least what I've seen anyways),
            but this, umm, this just like really rocked me on out!

            Well done you two!

            Be Well!
            Dave

            P.S. Plus it got me logged back into the WF, from which I had been missing for some time, LOL!

            Thanks Dave, Sal deserves most of the credit for this one. She got things
            out of me I didn't know I had.

            Now if only I could bottle it.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Thank YOU Steve.

    Steve - it's been booming the house here, too. I can't get enough. I am so excited about it I can't even remember my own stinking words without lookin' at em. Hahahahahahahahaahaha.

    No doubt about it -- just another piece of magic that emerged from the smoke of the OT forum. Now you see why I love it here so.

    As far as the Christmas presents given in the "Last post....free gift" thread.........I would say hands down.....you and I made out like freakin' bandits.

    Who would have ever thought? Who would have really ever thought?

    Merry Christmas My Friend.
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
      I wasnt sure about it at first Steven, but then you turned up the heat-Some sick stuff.

      :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

        I wasnt sure about it at first Steven, but then you turned up the heat-Some sick stuff.

        :p
        Well Sal said to me (she probably doesn't remember this) that she visioned
        it starting out slow and then building up.

        I don't normally do tunes like that. Either they're mellow throughout or they
        start out rocking right away, albeit moderately so. (I'm no Led Zep)

        But between her lyrics and her vision, I came up with something that,
        on my own, would have never happened.

        And let me tell you, the first verse changed about 7 times before it ended
        up like it did.

        Oh and for those wondering, that song was recorded with a $50 nylon 6
        string and a $100 Squire Strat.

        We're talking real low budget here.

        Heck, the digital recorder I used is only $600.

        This gives new meaning to the term "garage band".
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve - quit giving me all the credit.

    I think it's just time to say that: We're just freakin' awesome.

    And leave it at that. LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Steve - quit giving me all the credit.

      I think it's just time to say that: We're just freakin' awesome.

      And leave it at that. LOL.
      Oh my...don't even know how to respond to this.

      Yeah, let's just leave it at that.
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    Reminds me a bit of Syd Barret
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by bravo75 View Post

      Reminds me a bit of Syd Barret
      Well now I have to go see who Syd Barret is. I wonder if this is a good thing? Is this a compliment?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Well now I have to go see who Syd Barret is. I wonder if this is a good thing? Is this a compliment?
        Founding member of Pink Floyd.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    No crap? Wow. I don't think either of us should try to wear a hat in the next couple days.

    Ya know - about six months back I would have not understood what "sick stuff" meant. I'm a geezer, remember. but Thanks Profit-Smart.

    Thanks to you, too, Dave. I know how much fun you have playing DJ. How much fun will it be when you start playing this one by request? LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOLLLLLLLLL
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  • Profile picture of the author JMPruitt
    Awsome post guys, you both did a great job. it sounds great.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Babineau
      I like it - great job!

      (I actually listened to it twice in a row...)

      It's an interesting song; at the start it reminded me a bit of 70s music... then at 1:04 made me think of Jethro Tull... then as it progressed made me think of 80s music and a bit of The Sounds (namely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjY4Wj_-Zec&NR=1)

      Like Profit-smart said, I think I liked it more and more as it went on (especially when the "oozing ahhs" came in and at 3:54 when the synthesizer was added...)

      I really like the voice and the song is definitely catchy. I could definitely see this on the radio, although to be "mainstream" (whether that's what you want or not) might require you to cut out the acoustic part (?)

      Anyway - glad I stumbled upon this post - keep the tunes coming!

      Cheers,
      David

      P.S. HeySal - regarding Syd Barrett, Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was written about him, so I guess it depends on you whether that's a good thing or not
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    • Profile picture of the author GT
      Steven ... great job on the composition and arrangement! I see the challenge you faced with the sentence structure of the lyrics, but you pulled it off admirably.

      Hey, Sal ... very interesting lyrics -- evocative. Different people will interpret different meanings from them, depending on their own perspective and moods. That's the way to do it!

      GT
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      • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
        Wow! I really, really like this both the lyrics and the music.

        Who knew such talent lurked on this forum? Hope you continue collaborating.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Thanks JM. LOL I'm having fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    Steven - Your talent in music is far greater than I thought after looking at your "I'm a Warrior" video on youtube. Awesome job.

    Edit: Not that the Warrior song was bad, it was great as well, but this one I think showcases more of your ability.

    Sal - good lyics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Wow - that was fantastic actually - really great. Thanks guys, an interesting way to start the day and catchy in its own odd way...

    Good strat work Steve!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Good stuff!

    Here you go, Sal...


    Rock on!
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I'm a sucker for good stories. The song was extremely catchy. And those lyrics are mesmerizing. The way you brought them to life was brilliant. And then Sal's reaction was priceless. What a great way to start the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Hey congratulations HeySal and Steven.

    The start is somewhat "choppy." The chorus, however, is really good and quite catchy. I can see Freeze as a popular song with some editing and improvement.

    I'm not 100% keen on the first sentence of the chorus. I think it has to be more "melodic," if that makes sense. Even so, it's one of those songs that grows on you. (I've listened to it 4 times now.)

    So good job. And, keep us updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Thanks for the support everyone - it's exciting to hear everyones great notes of support to us.

    ZigZag -- if this gets grabbed by the right band, that's the MOST melody you're going to hear in this one. I wrote the lyrics with Disturbed, Korn, Drowning Pool, and Rob Zombie in my head. LOL. Steve toned it down to Stabbing Westard and Puddle of Mudd.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Thanks for the support everyone - it's exciting to hear everyones great notes of support to us.

      ZigZag -- if this gets grabbed by the right band, that's the MOST melody you're going to hear in this one. I wrote the lyrics with Disturbed, Korn, Drowning Pool, and Rob Zombie in my head. LOL. Steve toned it down to Stabbing Westard and Puddle of Mudd.
      Actually, Steve cranked it up to Stabbing Westard and Puddle of Mudd.

      The Monkees are more my normal speed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    you two should start a band.

    Call it HeyWags or Salenheim
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Congratulations! You guys... well... ROCK!
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      Congratulations! You guys... well... ROCK!
      LOL - Yes, Becky. Yes we do. Sometimes in a lot more ways than this one!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Sal & Steve,

    Your song is simply amazing. I am impressed. I know it's a rough demo, but I can picture hearing a refined version of this on the radio. This has so much more emotion than most of the crap out there today.

    Seeing how quickly you two put this all together, my suggestion, write a few more tracks together, put together a demo cd, and figure out how to pursue it.

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      Sal & Steve,

      Your song is simply amazing. I am impressed. I know it's a rough demo, but I can picture hearing a refined version of this on the radio. This has so much more emotion than most of the crap out there today.

      Seeing how quickly you two put this all together, my suggestion, write a few more tracks together, put together a demo cd, and figure out how to pursue it.

      Jared
      Gee Jared - I think Steve and I are mutually surprised enough right now that it will be just a tad before we do much other than breath for a bit here.

      There are a few spots that will take some brush up, mostly because I gave him hell to work with, but I can see that the second verse is where our idea of this thing diverged the most. That was where Disturbed would have gone guttural with it LOL. Frankly my lyrics just didn't hit verse level on that one and he really came through from being handed a raw deal.


      I'm really excited by the responses so far though - and I am sure he is, too.
      It's a very strange and wonderful feeling to have my words put to music at any rate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        It's a very strange and wonderful feeling to have my words put to music at any rate.
        Sal, the word is tempo.

        If you're going to be a rock star you need to know these things.

        Now quit screwing around here and start working on the 'B' side.

        We have deadlines, you know...

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

          We have deadlines, you know...

          KJ
          Bill those dead lines...were they killed with circles or rectangles?

          I might have a cure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Folks, there are two ways to write songs.

        1. Technically
        2. Emotionally

        After reading Sal's lyrics, and having never been handed anything like them
        before, I realized that my only shot at this was going with gut and
        abandoning the "formula" stuff, which is why you essentially ended up with
        a rhapsody and a song that was all over the place.

        Also, Sal gave me some bands to listen to before I wrote this, but I didn't
        because I didn't want to be influenced by anybody but my natural influences.

        Who are they?

        They're a who's who of rock music that could fill up a museum, but I'll give
        you my main influences throughout the years.

        The Beatles
        The Monkees
        The Partidge Family
        Badfinger
        Emerson Lake and Palmer
        Yes
        Genesis
        Triumvirat
        Starcastle
        Renaissance
        Within Temptation
        The Motors
        The Clash
        Elvis Costello
        The Movies
        Jellyfish

        With all that running through me (I've studied all their music intensively)
        you can imagine that I've got a mass of conflicting feelings inside whenever
        I write something, which is why, if you heard some of my older stuff, you'd
        find I'm all over the place.

        In fact, I may one day start a "Steven Wagenheim Songbook" thread so
        you can hear how many styles I've written for.

        Problem is, it inevitably ends up that in any ONE song, many styles will
        emerge. If you listen to this one, you'll hear at least 3 influences.

        It's really crowded in here.

        I've never written anything just for fame and fortune, though I wouldn't
        spit at it if it landed in my lap, but have always written for the pure love
        of it. And yes, I've written some crap...as you will hear soon...but I've
        always enjoyed creating it...even if some of it I can't listen to anymore.

        Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm sharing all this. But I do know this much.
        The person I feel best for in all this, is not myself...but Sal.

        It's a feeling I can't describe knowing how much this meant to her, which
        is why I was actually petrified to do this in the first place. But I figured,
        at worse, we'd get a good laugh out of it if the whole thing just sucked
        wind.

        My daughter likes it, which may or may not be a good thing as most of
        the groups she likes are NOT mainstream. But she thought it was very
        catchy and she does have a contact in the business who books bands at
        local clubs in NY. Maybe he'll know somebody might want to record this.

        You never know.

        Well...that's all I got for now...until I think of something else I want to say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I actually like the rough, "lo-fi" sound. I'm a big fan of garage rock, and this has a DIY appeal that's right up my alley. The timbre of the vocal line is what grabs me.

    And, as per Mr. Motley's suggestion for a band name...Salenheim is good. But what about Salenheim Steamroller? Or Salenheim Doll. Pronounced Salen Heimdoll = Heimdall. Okay, I like the Heimdall reference, but I'm guessing most people aren't that into Norse mythology.

    But, assuming it is Salenheim...

    You could debut at a museum in NYC and call it...

    Salenheim At The Guggenheim



    Rock on!
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      And, as per Mr. Motley's suggestion for a band name...Salenheim is good. But what about Salenheim Steamroller? Or Salenheim Doll. Pronounced Salen Heimdoll = Heimdall. Okay, I like the Heimdall reference, but I'm guessing most people aren't that into Norse mythology.
      Well, Steve does have some good licks in that piece the way he manuverors around the fretboard.

      How about "The Heim Lick Manuveror".

      Now that has a ring to it...

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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    I am very impressed! Yes, you are both freakin' Awesome!
    I'm stuck in the '70/'80 music wise but you two put together a real 'today' rockin kind of song (do agree it was not quite getting me at the very beginning) but the pickup and beyond Hits it great!

    Hope something will come of it beyond the forum here!
    Good luck~
    Andie
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    Not bad -

    ... not surprised.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve - a LOT of music I listen to is all over the place.......and that is why I like it. It's interesting. You don't have the whole song just because you can hum one line of it.
    Some of the Intense rock I listen to goes from soft and mellow to severe rage real fast - and I love it.

    It's true that what you've, we've, done isn't mainstream stuff - but I never was a mainstream kind of rocker, either. Nothing wrong with appealing more to one group than others. Once things get too generic all the meaning just gets wiped out into nothingness as far as I'm concerned.........and what you did with my words didn't even start to melt them into the abyss. It just awed me, that without really a background in the types of music that churn me, that you could hit it like you did. Heck - we didn't even get to talk on the phone about it.

    Music by osmosis. Can't grudge that one even just a little bit.

    What ya think? Ready for Primus 2010? LMAO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      What ya think? Ready for Primus 2010? LMAO.

      At the risk of sounding out of touch...who the hell is Primus?
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        At the risk of sounding out of touch...who the hell is Primus?
        Think Frank Zappa circa 1990
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        holy crap! this rocks! Love, love the lyrics...Sal girl, wow!
        Steve...at first the softer part sounded Moody Blue-ish... then you rocked it and it sounded like Steve rocking

        I like it...would love to hear the pro version and looking forward to hearing more...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve listed his musical orientation.

    Here's mine - read it and weep, no that's not right. Read it and Rock. There. That's better.

    Disturbed
    Korn
    Rob Zombie
    Tool
    Ill Ninio
    Drowning Pool (was at the last concert, night before lead singer died)
    MegaDeth
    Nine Inch Nails
    Nickle Back
    Puddle of Mud
    Stabbing Westward
    Static X
    Endo

    Well.........you get the idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Steve listed his musical orientation.

      Here's mine - read it and weep, no that's not right. Read it and Rock. There. That's better.

      Disturbed
      Korn
      Rob Zombie
      Tool
      Ill Ninio
      Drowning Pool (was at the last concert, night before lead singer died)
      MegaDeth
      Nine Inch Nails
      Nickle Back
      Puddle of Mud
      Stabbing Westward
      Static X
      Endo

      Well.........you get the idea.

      Nine Inch Nails, I am familiar with their work. I like their one song "Closer"
      though in comparison to some of their other material, that would be
      considered almost commercial.

      When I was heavily into keyboard rock, and subscribed to Contemporary
      Keyboard Magazine, they did an interview with Trent Reznor and how he
      came up with his unusual sounds.

      Nine Inch Nails, on that level (electronically) has always been one of my
      favorite bands because of what they could get out of a synthesizer, though
      I have to admit that their music, many times, went right over my head,

      The rest, especially Tool, Megadeth, and Nickelback, I have heard of and
      of course Nickelback is actually pretty mainstream. My daughter likes them
      a lot. Tool and Megadeth, I'd have to have a couple of songs played for
      me to recognize them.

      I also like Dragonforce, though I am sure for hard core metal heads, these
      guys are probably too glitzy and showoff-y.

      Anyway, that's quite a list of influences there.

      Remind me never to piss you off.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve -- here's one for you. You said your wife likes Christian Rock? Here's some Christian metal from my side of the fence. This is rather epic so you get my favorite half of Part two of 10,000 days in the Fire from Tool. Note how the song winds down around 4.46 and completely drops to mellow at abour 5.30 - 6.00 somewhere. This is just rakingly emotive.



    But my favorite is Disturbed and you've already been introduced to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Steve -- here's one for you. You said your wife likes Christian Rock? Here's some Christian metal from my side of the fence. This is rather epic so you get my favorite half of Part two of 10,000 days in the Fire from Tool. Note how the song winds down around 4.46 and completely drops to mellow at abour 5.30 - 6.00 somewhere. This is just rakingly emotive.

      YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.


      But my favorite is Disturbed and you've already been introduced to them.
      I finally got to listen to this. It's interesting when you've listened to so
      much music over 50 plus years what you pick up from songs.

      First of all, before I get to that, this song is occasionally played on WRXP.

      Anyway, I noticed a lot of mid to late 1960s influence here.

      Listen to this 1968 Chambers brothers hit "Time Has Come Today"

      They're considered a "soul" group but there's a lot of 60s psychedelica
      in this song.


      In Ecclesiastes it says, "There is nothing new under the sun."

      There may be a lot of truth in that.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Cripes - I'm still listening to this on and off. I still like it.

    Whether you clean it up before you send it out, or whether you send it as is, I think that SOMEONE will want it. It just depends on WHO picks it up whether the outcome sounds more like the mainstream or more like hard metal in the long run.

    The truth is - it's just good no matter what gets done to it.

    I'm proud to be associated with it, Steve.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    In Ecclesiastes it says, "There is nothing new under the sun."

    There may be a lot of truth in that.
    I think they are right - a study of epistomological thinkers show most agree, too.

    But we can sure strive to mix the flavors of the old stuff in new ways, eh? LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I think they are right - a study of epistomological thinkers show most agree, too.

      But we can sure strive to mix the flavors of the old stuff in new ways, eh? LOL.
      That's really all this business is...mixing things together to create the illusion
      of something new.

      Take prog rock of the 70s. That was rock and roll and classical, which to this
      day is some of my favorite music.

      You can look at almost any genre and pick out the pieces.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I don't know why your opinion was important to me - but it was. I am blown away, Karen. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      well, I'm the one humbled, now..thanks Sal


      this forum is oozing with talent and I'm really enjoying being a part of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    Well, since I listened to it a couple days ago I've been catching myself humming the tune... I gotta say, I'm impressed with Sal and Steve. I couldn't write lyrics nor sing to save my life.
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      Well, since I listened to it a couple days ago I've been catching myself humming the tune.
      Me too!

      After I listened, I immediately made my post to this thread. Then I went about my day. About an hour later I caught myself humming Freeze. Now THAT'S catchy!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    I'm buried in snow here, so the song really is appropriate for me...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      A long time ago, a publisher who was honest enough to be, well, honest
      with me said to me, "Steve, your tunes are really catchy, but your lyrics are
      weak. You need to work on them or find somebody who can write good strong
      lyrics or you're going to have a hard time making it in this business."

      Maybe I finally found my lyricist after 25 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      I'm buried in snow here, so the song really is appropriate for me...
      LMAO - yeah, colder here already at the end of 2009 than at the height of most winters when I wrote that. And people talk about lighting a match under you to get you motivated - and all along it was sit on an ice cube that does it.

      Steve.....maybe you just never found someone clueless enough about what they were doin' before.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    Hey Steven,

    I didnt think about it before; but I thought I'd share a tip with you.

    I spent most of my highschool years djing, playing in bands, etc.

    In lieu of renting studio time, heres an easy way to get semi-studio quality recording at home.


    #1-Record your track, singing and playing-like you already have.

    #2-Get a set of headphones, play in tempo with just the guitar. Record it, and only it.

    #3-Take the guitar recording, play it via headphones and record your vocals.

    #4-Sync the two using a piece of mixing software. Sony ACID was my favourite.

    You can get a 30 day demo for free I believe.

    A bit intensive, but I thought you might find it useful.


    Regards,

    -Jordan
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

      Hey Steven,

      I didnt think about it before; but I thought I'd share a tip with you.

      I spent most of my highschool years djing, playing in bands, etc.

      In lieu of renting studio time, heres an easy way to get semi-studio quality recording at home.


      #1-Record your track, singing and playing-like you already have.

      #2-Get a set of headphones, play in tempo with just the guitar. Record it, and only it.

      #3-Take the guitar recording, play it via headphones and record your vocals.

      #4-Sync the two using a piece of mixing software. Sony ACID was my favourite.

      You can get a 30 day demo for free I believe.

      A bit intensive, but I thought you might find it useful.


      Regards,

      -Jordan

      Jordan, I appreciate the tips. I have a recording studio and know how
      to lay down tracks.

      The problem with this particular recording (if there is indeed a problem with
      it) is that I only have 6 tracks and 2 master tracks for bouncing. Once the
      6 tracks are used, I have to start bouncing and that's when things start
      getting difficult to mix.

      Here's what I have going on in this song per track so you understand what
      a nightmare I had to deal with.

      Track 1 - Acoustic Guitar
      Track 2 - Rhythm Electric Guitar
      Track 3 - Rhythm Electric Guitar (to get that stereo guitar sound)
      Track 4 and 5 - Synth Bass in stereo
      Track 6 and 7 - Synth bass drum and snare in stereo
      Track 8 and 9 - Synth cymbals in stereo
      Track 10 - Lead Electric Guitar
      Track 11 - Lead Electric Guitar
      Track 12 - Lead Vocal
      Track 13 - Background Vocals
      Track 14 - Background Vocals (to get stereo effect)
      Track 15 and 16 - Synth Strings
      Track 17 and 18 - Synth wind effects
      Track 19 and 20 - Lead synth strings (for top notes at end)

      Add to this that there is a lot going on at one time, the challenge of
      squeezing all that into a 6 track digital recorder is just that...one hell of
      a challenge.

      Oh, and I've been making my own recordings for over 25 years, thank you.

      In other words...I'm not a rookie.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    I think I just got owned.

    :p Good point steven. I didnt take into account the mixing you obviously have going on.

    Sounds like your still using a traditional mixer though; just check out Sony Acid-You wont regret it-If youve been producing your own music for 25 years, you'll LOVE it.

    Were talking about a unlimited track mixer, with thousands of plugins (effects) and just about anything else you can dream of.

    All you really need to use it properly is a good quality mic, and ideally some converters to hook your instruments into your PC for direct recording (In lieu of that, a mic still works)

    I guess I'm spoiled-When I took my first dive into mixing and djing software like Sony Acid was already readily available.

    I dont expect you'll have much trouble picking it p either; the visual interface is reminiscent of a traditional mixer.


    And no-theres nothing wrong with it But I know your a musician; and if were anything its perfectionists in regards to our work.



    I wouldnt have commented if I didnt like it :p and I know its just a demo.

    Anyways I wont drill you anymore; your the one with the expertise here-not me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post


      Sounds like your still using a traditional mixer though;
      Actually, I'm not using ANY mixer.

      You are obviously under the impression that all of that is going on
      simultaneously because I've got a whole freaking band here playing live.

      WRONG.

      I am a ONE MAN SHOW.

      I play all the parts...ONE AT A TIME.

      So there is nothing to mix other than what's laid down on the Boss CD600
      digital recorder and then bouncing things around once I run out of tracks.

      Yeah, I wish I had a whole band. It would make this nightmare a hell of
      a lot easier.

      But YOU try playing 20 tracks of music BY YOURSELF with no help and
      see if YOU can get it to sound any better on a 6 track digital recorder.

      GOOD LUCK.

      PS - One day, I hope to be able to afford a 32 track semi pro studio in
      house.

      Until then, I'll just have to make do with my little Boss CD600.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post


      Sounds like your still using a traditional mixer though; just check out Sony Acid-You wont regret it-If youve been producing your own music for 25 years, you'll LOVE it.
      Okay, you're talking about a software mixer for PC.

      I don't let my PC anywhere NEAR my music. It's being held together with
      chicken wire and a prayer. My whole studio is hardware based and that's
      the way it's going to stay, at least for the near future.
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      • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Okay, you're talking about a software mixer for PC.

        I don't let my PC anywhere NEAR my music. It's being held together with
        chicken wire and a prayer. My whole studio is hardware based and that's
        the way it's going to stay, at least for the near future.
        Okay okay, to each his own.

        And no; I never assumed you had a live band.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

          Okay okay, to each his own.

          And no; I never assumed you had a live band.
          Look, I realize that today there is technology for the home that blows
          away pro studios from 30 years ago. I get that. But if I try installing one
          more thing on this PC, it's going to turn into yesterday's pasta.

          Plus, my studio is nowhere near my PC, so I would have to move everything
          and I mean EVERYTHING into the vicinity. That is not something I look forward
          to doing on a GOOD day.

          Maybe someday...but just not today.
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          • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
            Can you create music using only Sony Acid without using any other software or instruments?

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

              Can you create music using only Sony Acid without using any other software or instruments?

              KJ
              Bill, even if you could, you can only simulate an electric guitar sound. To get
              a REAL electric guitar sound, with all the actual things you can do with an
              electric guitar, you need a REAL electric guitar.

              Some instruments can be simulated decently, but when it comes to a guitar,
              forget it...nothing comes close IMO.

              Same thing with real strings versus synth strings...a fair substitute at best.
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            • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
              Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

              Can you create music using only Sony Acid without using any other software or instruments?

              KJ

              You can-Though your limited if, like steven says you dont have any instruments you can control yourself.

              You just buy packs of "loops", mix them together as you like; and add your vocals on top of it.


              Its much easier to have an adapter for your guitar, so you get high quality sound *you* can control. (Try writing a song using a bunch of random chords that sound identical!).



              I used to use a piece of software called "Guitar Pro" To write songs when I was away from home; any synth guitar always ends up sounding like something out of a videogame.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

                You can-Though your limited if, like steven says you dont have any instruments you can control yourself.

                You just buy packs of "loops", mix them together as you like; and add your vocals on top of it.


                Its much easier to have an adapter for your guitar, so you get high quality sound *you* can control. (Try writing a song using a bunch of random chords that sound identical!).



                I used to use a piece of software called "Guitar Pro" To write songs when I was away from home; any synth guitar always ends up sounding like something out of a videogame.

                One other thing you gotta understand, and I realize this is an intangible
                that most people don't get.

                I'm old, and I'm used to working in a real studio with keyboard and
                traditional recording equipment. I get so inspired when I'm there.

                When I'm sitting at the PC trying to write "music" I feel almost nothing.

                I don't expect you to understand that being a young kid, but I've done
                my best work in those "old fashioned" studios. There is something cold
                and impersonal about PC software.
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                • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
                  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                  One other thing you gotta understand, and I realize this is an intangible
                  that most people don't get.

                  I'm old, and I'm used to working in a real studio with keyboard and
                  traditional recording equipment. I get so inspired when I'm there.

                  When I'm sitting at the PC trying to write "music" I feel almost nothing.

                  I don't expect you to understand that being a young kid, but I've done
                  my best work in those "old fashioned" studios. There is something cold
                  and impersonal about PC software.
                  No No-I do understand. I play piano; and while I keep a keyboard around it always feels "dry" to play it. I'm much more fruitful when I play on the real deal. (Sadly, thats sitting about 2000 miles away right now)


                  And to be honest, it takes alot more skill to do things your way. I've dabbled in both, and while I can use hardware; I'm 100x better with software.


                  These programs were created to make things as easy as possible; its why you have thousands of self proclaimed "Mixers" and "Djs" in every suburb in America.

                  On your end, you have more power and direct control over what you do; the quality of hardware production IS superior to software production.

                  on the flipside software lets you use functions that (like you said) you would otherwise need an extravagantly expensive studio to produce.

                  Anyways, once a label picks you up you'll have all the equipment you could ever need.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                    Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

                    Anyways, once a label picks you up you'll have all the equipment you could ever need.
                    Ah, well, as far as a label picking me up...I'm just a songwriter...not a
                    performer.

                    My goal is to get my song to a publisher who doesn't have a tin ear, who
                    will then get it to an A&R guy who also doesn't have a tin ear who will
                    then give it to one of his acts to record.

                    Me? I'm a behind the scenes guy.
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                • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                  Yo Wags....the kid is trying to hip you'se to the 21st century, capiche!

                  Cuz until you get out of that dark cave you call a studio....Quincy Jones aint got nothing to worry about.


                  xxx Vegas Vince
                  Legend.
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                • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                  Actually, the reason I was asking is that I'm doing a lot of short one minute videos and it would be nice just to be able to create some short music clips to add background music.

                  I know lots of sites where I can get short music clips, but I was curious about making my own.

                  I do have a 1964 Gibson SG Standard that Ive had for over 30+ years, in case you're wondering about the electric guitar thingy...

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                  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
                    Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

                    Actually, the reason I was asking is that I'm doing a lot of short one minute videos and it would be nice just to be able to create some short music clips to add background music.

                    I know lots of sites where I can get short music clips, but I was curious about making my own.

                    I do have a 1964 Gibson SG Standard that Ive had for over 30+ years, in case you're wondering about the electric guitar thingy...

                    KJ

                    Check these guys out-A bit pricy for a commercial license, but if you find one or two you can use frequently it might be worth it.


                    Freeplay Music, Broadcast Production Music Library, Free and Mp3 Music Downloads, See Usage Terms.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                    Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post


                    I do have a 1964 Gibson SG Standard that Ive had for over 30+ years, in case you're wondering about the electric guitar thingy...

                    KJ
                    wow! niiice guitar!


                    I love old Gibson guitars, Joe!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
                      Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                      wow! niiice guitar!


                      I love old Gibson guitars, Joe!
                      That's what I'm sayin'...

                      2005 appraisal...Roadshow Archive | 1964 Gibson SG Standard Guitar
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                      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
                        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

                        That's what I'm sayin'...

                        2005 appraisal...Roadshow Archive | 1964 Gibson SG Standard Guitar

                        DOH!!!!!!!

                        I learn something everyday...Mine's not the "Standard" model, I have the "Special". The big difference is in the tail piece and pick-ups. Mine has the P-80s and not the 'Humbuckings'. I guess owning it for so long has clouded my memory as to the true model.

                        It's still a very valuable guitar, here's a link in case anyone wants to compare it to the link Dave put up:

                        Vintage Gibson Guitars: Gibson SG Special

                        Years ago I thought about refinishing the back of it due to all the wear and tear from playing so I did a bunch of tests with woods and finishes to see what exactly I had on my hands.

                        Turns out the finish is candy apple red (cherry) over walnut. I took it to a guitar shop and was telling the owner that I thought about refinishing it, and he looked at me and said "WHAT ARE YOU, NUTS! You'll kill the value of it."

                        So I didn't.

                        KJ

                        Btw, thank you both for appreciating Gibson guitars. They truly are treasures.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Um....excuse me to hell and back for bumping this one - but frankly, I'm really havin' fun and not ready to let it drop yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author lcombs
    Steve and Sal,

    VERY impressive.
    You're both very talented.
    How about doing a few more? And, let us download 'em?

    PS. I'm sure you're aware of Armand Morin's #1 CD.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    When I was about 15, I was rummaging through my grandmas attic looking for something; and I hit my foot something at the bottom of a big pile of boxes. Now this attic was *full* of stuff, but I decided to see what it was anyways-it was to hard to be a cardboard box.

    So I look down, and just barely visible is a tiny piece of leather; when I touch it I wonder if.. maybe...

    two or three hours later, I get all the boxes off; and I find a dirty dust covered guitar case. I open it up-and what do I find?

    One of these






    Turns out it was my Dads. It was put up there because it needed alot of restoration; the fretboard was coming unglued, two of the tuning knobs were missing, and one of the pickups was shot.

    He'd been pretty hard on it, gotten a a new guitar; and forgot about it for all those years.

    Needless to say I was tickled pink; I spent every dime I had restoring that thing for a good 6 months. I was the envy of all my bandmates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      WOW, that's awesome!

      What model is that?

      KJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        WOW, that's awesome!

        What model is that?

        KJ
        1968(?) - ES-330 Thinline
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

          1968(?) - ES-330 Thinline
          Dave, that's an ES-330, alright. (1959 to 1972)

          Wonder what year?

          KJ
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          • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
            Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

            Dave, that's an ES-330, alright. (1959 to 1972)

            Wonder what year?

            KJ
            I'm guessing 1968 because that year Gibson offered the ES-335 style neck as an option. It joins the body at the 19th fret...standard is 15th fret(?) for the ES330.
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            • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
              Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

              I'm guessing 1968 because that year Gibson offered the ES-335 style neck as an option. It joins the body at the 19th fret...
              Dave, I think this could be a 335 (same basic family as the 330) because you are right about the neck placement, and if you look at the pick guard it is definitely the one used on the ES-335.

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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    The one I have is a 1968 ES330, Thats just a random picture off google images; if you guys like I can snap a picture of mine-looks almost identical to that one.


    You know what he replaced it with-instead of restoring it?

    A $200 BC Rich

    The funny part is in the when he stashed the thing away he could have repaired it far cheaper than what it cost me so many years later. Partly my fault though; I insisted on finding a set of vintage P90 pickups. I went stock at the guitar shop with everything but those and the knobs.
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      Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

      The one I have is a 1968 ES330, Thats just a random picture off google images; if you guys like I can snap a picture of mine-looks almost identical to that one.
      No that's cool. We get the idea, and thanks for showing us that.

      Beside, this way Dave looks like a wizard, and that's cool, too.

      Now don't let us catch you putting this on eBay with a $250 BIN price. We don't want to have to come over there and hurt you...:p

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      • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No that's cool. We get the idea, and thanks for showing us that.

        Beside, this way Dave looks like a wizard, and that's cool, too.

        Now don't let us catch you putting this on eBay with a $250 BIN price. We don't want to have to come over there and hurt you...:p

        KJ

        I've never sold a guitar-
        I dont think I could ever sell any of them-but if I did, it certainly wouldn't be that one. To much sentimental value.


        And I have a feeling if I listed it on ebay with $250 BIN you guys would be LOVING me.

        Well, whichever one of you grabbed it :p
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          Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

          I've never sold a guitar-
          I dont think I could ever sell any of them-but if I did, it certainly wouldn't be that one. To much sentimental value.


          And I have a feeling if I listed it on ebay with $250 BIN you guys would be LOVING me.

          Well, whichever one of you grabbed it :p
          I'd love you more than KJ...especially if you accepted a $250 Presale Notification Agreement now to go along with that $250 BIN...
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  • Profile picture of the author Teresa Coppes
    I really really liked it! When it started a little slow I wasn't to keen but when the beat picked up - very good job to the both of you!

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    • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
      Hehehe..

      sorry for hijacking your thread guys; saw the title change.

      *Steven/Heysal make better music.. but CHECK OUT OUR SHINY GUITARS*

      I wouldnt apologize; but I know you guys put a painful amount of work into producing this song. I've been there; but I always had more backup than you two.

      No big deal I know-But still, I didnt mean to drag the topic away from the subject at hand.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

        Hehehe..

        sorry for hijacking your thread guys; saw the title change.

        Were braggin bout our guitars because we feel inadequate.

        *Steven makes better music.. but CHECK OUT MY SHINY GUITAR*
        No problem. I love talking about anything to do with music...so bring it on.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Profit-Smart........uh.......no. I didn't put a lot of work into it. I can't speak for Steve, because I have no clue what he did. Listening to his list to you, he did much more than I did. When I started writing it just kind of came to me once I got one line down. Whatever Steve did, he did it really fast, too. One day he says "Mid-February" the next day he's got the darn thing posted in the forum.

    I think the only reason it jerked either of us was because it was just something neither one of us did before. SO no - no work here on this end. Of the two of us........only Steve knows what you are talking about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Profit-Smart........uh.......no. I didn't put a lot of work into it. I can't speak for Steve, because I have no clue what he did. Listening to his list to you, he did much more than I did. When I started writing it just kind of came to me once I got one line down. Whatever Steve did, he did it really fast, too. One day he says "Mid-February" the next day he's got the darn thing posted in the forum.

      I think the only reason it jerked either of us was because it was just something neither one of us did before. SO no - no work here on this end. Of the two of us........only Steve knows what you are talking about.
      Profit-Smart, in echoing what Sal said, I've been writing songs long enough
      (over 25 years) that I could probably crank out a song in a couple of
      hours if I really wanted to.

      This one took me about a day, on and off. I started at like 10 AM and
      finished, well whenever time I actually posted the song, which I think was
      sometime that evening. Just look at the timestamp of the forum and
      subtract about 6 hours.

      The longest I ever spent on one song was about 3 days. I told Sal mid
      February because with having to run my business and with everything
      else I've been doing, I just didn't think I'd get to it until then. But I had
      a break in my schedule so I just decided to sit down and do it.

      Honestly, I was anxious to get to work on it because I really loved the
      lyrics. They were a lot different from anything I had ever done before so
      I wanted to see what I could come up with.

      Sometimes, the writing is a lot more fun than listening to the finished
      product.

      Kind of like being a product creator.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Hey Sal...my Songwriter's Market 2010 came today so I'm going to start
        hunting for alternative publishers to submit the song to.

        I'll keep you updated.
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    Listen to Steve Live @ Friday Night Chat right now, talking about the development of "Freeze" with HeySal
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Would have liked to talk to ya Steve - don't have a mike yet, but really hoping if I get one now that nobody expects me to sing that thing just because I wrote a few lyrics.
    Um..........I sing when I'm in the mountain to keep the bears away. Nuff said.
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