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14 years ago

Any child should be taught about dangers - off line and online. They need to be taught what to do if they find themselves in trouble. The world is not more dangerous than ever -- kids just aren't being taught what they need to know any more. Makes you wonder - we live in convenience, Pioneers had it very hard....they survived, why can't we?

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Any child should be taught about dangers - off line and online. They need to be taught what to do if they find themselves in trouble. The world is not more dangerous than ever -- kids just aren't being taught what they need to know any more. Makes you wonder - we live in convenience, Pioneers had it very hard....they survived, why can't we?

because the pioneers only had to worry about animals eating them.

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Kurt 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

because the pioneers only had to worry about animals eating them.

Tell that to Davey Crocket at the Alamo or Daniel Boone during his encounters with Native Indians.
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mechaet 14 years ago

I totally agree that you must tell your children what to do. You can't rely on messages from teachers, priests, ministers, t.v., other parents etc. It is easy to fall into this trap. You must do it. Just gather up the nerve and go for it.
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SEOExpert104

14 years ago

Yes, they should also understand that everyday the crime rates are going higher and higher, I was actually threatened by a knife, but thanks god I took the knife quickly from him. Make sure your son doesn't ever sit in a taxi alone, taxi drivers are dangerous, they kidnap, kill, r*pe and etc.... it's so dangerous these days, like you said online and offline. Also watch who are they hanging out online, and chatting with(not only Facebook but other social networks, and MSN/Gtalk/Skype and etc). The world is very dangerous now, at it's most dangerous point, not only our children should be careful, but you as well as your friends and family.

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Ken Strong 14 years ago

Originally Posted by denomardin

Yes, they should also understand that everyday the crime rates are going higher and higher

This statement is so vague as to be meaningless. What crimes? Where? Got any details and facts to back it up?

I think we can talk seriously about how to protect our kids without lapsing into paranoia.
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jazbo

14 years ago

The world is actually quite safe nowadays, compared to any other period in history, at least in the civilised part of it that is.

Taxi's are fine if they are registered local firms. Your wife is far more likely to be attacked by a taxi driver than your child - will you stop her getting cab as well?

As for online - educate them and monitor them, but don't stifle them for a threat that actually happens to an incredibly small number of vulnerable people each year.

Originally Posted by denomardin

Yes, they should also understand that everyday the crime rates are going higher and higher, I was actually threatened by a knife, but thanks god I took the knife quickly from him. Make sure your son doesn't ever sit in a taxi alone, taxi drivers are dangerous, they kidnap, kill, r*pe and etc.... it's so dangerous these days, like you said online and offline. Also watch who are they hanging out online, and chatting with(not only Facebook but other social networks, and MSN/Gtalk/Skype and etc). The world is very dangerous now, at it's most dangerous point, not only our children should be careful, but you as well as your friends and family.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

It's a real worry. My son is on Facebook but I've told him about the sicko's out there and he knows not to join any groups or accept any friends without asking me first. He's pretty good, if he gets a friend request he will ask me if it's anyone we know before he accepts it.

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14 years ago

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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

No.. you shouldn't be watching your kids! That's invasion of privacy...

Why not just tell them not to meet anyone in public without your permission. Ask them to hold out personal details like Address, Telephone No., Name Of Their School and they should do fine.

Sumit.

PS. I'm glad my parents are tech-challenged.

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ThomM

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sumit Menon

No.. you shouldn't be watching your kids! That's invasion of privacy...

Why not just tell them not to meet anyone in public without your permission. Ask them to hold out personal details like Address, Telephone No., Name Of Their School and they should do fine.

Sumit.

PS. I'm glad my parents are tech-challenged.

Spoken like a child that has no idea what being a parent is about.

Believe me when you have kids, if you love them you will watch them.
My youngest (who just became a mother) and I where talking about this the other day. I used the bumper car analogy as tp how I raised her.
The bumper car was her life, free to go where it wanted within a defined area. I was the bumpers, there to protect her when it was needed.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sumit Menon

No.. you shouldn't be watching your kids! That's invasion of privacy...

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MatthewChiapetta

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ptone

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SEOExpert104

14 years ago

Sumit, that is what I mean, to tell them to be careful, not give out any info and etc... Your children have the rights to have their own privacy.

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Kay King 14 years ago

Your children have the rights to have their own privacy.

My sons are grown - but my grandson (13) would laugh at that comment.

It's warped to insist that "kids have a right to privacy" from their parents - and then allow them to go on social sites without close supervision.

There are not more predators these days - but they are able to reach farther thanks to the internet. The best practice is to have the computer used by your child in a high traffic area of the home - and to look over their shoulder frequently.

My grandson is not allowed to use facebook, twitter, etc - he is not on myspace either. He loves computer games but is only allowed to play them for a certain amount of time each day.

Before thinking he is "deprived" you should know he is hilariously funny, very motivated, has excellent manners, all-star in three sports and a straight A student. I don't think he suffers at all from limited and carefully monitored online activity.

The problem we don't mention about kids spending a lot of time online is that they are not participating in life - they are talking about it and watching the lives of others.

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Sumit Menon 14 years ago

Originally Posted by denomardin

Sumit, that is what I mean, to tell them to be careful, not give out any info and etc... Your children have the rights to have their own privacy.

LOL.. I'm an unofficial spokesperson for the children. I'm 17.

Sumit.
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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Children do not have a right to privacy. They are children.

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Sumit Menon 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Children do not have a right to privacy. They are children.

Boo.. Boo..
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  Originally Posted by Sumit Menon
  
  Boo.. Boo..
  
  Adults have to make decisions that children don't like. You're not exactly a child, you're 17. When i think 'child' i think up to about 15-16 and that depends on the kid.
  
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aaaa33030

14 years ago

Originally Posted by denomardin

Well these couple of days I've been researching about Facebook , and I saw on the news as well.
Other people which your kids don't know about they add them on their facebook, they become friends and then meet together, and your son can get kidnapped.
Right now (2mins ago) I saw that 1 guy found a girl friend on Facebook and then asked her to meet , well then that girl friend's ex boy friend saw that chat of theirs, became jelous and met the guy at the place... beat him up very badly he almost died.

I just want to warn you and you should keep track of what your children are doing on the net, tell them to not accept people that they don't know about and etc... keep track of it.

I thought one had to be over 18 years old to be a member at facebook

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Michael Motley 14 years ago

Originally Posted by aaaa33030

I thought one had to be over 18 years old to be a member at facebook

no. just old enough to type.
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SEOExpert104

14 years ago

Well Facebook says that, but who really follows those rules... honestly you know anyone who does? well maybe 1 out of 100,000

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garyv

14 years ago

I have a 15 year old son, and I give him plenty of "perceived" privacy. I let him think that I fully trust him (and I do) but I watch him electronically like a hawk. I'm not going to be like one of these idiot parents who have to use the phrase "I didn't know my son was like that", or "I had no idea he was into that". I'm going to know, and I have every right and responsibility to do so.

If my son feels like his rights are violated, that's alright with me. A father son relationship should not be a democracy. It can be a friendly dictatorship, but stupid/dangerous behavior should never be put up for a vote.

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ivanqfung

14 years ago

Children are very gullible these days, especially if they have just started using the internet. I'm sure most of them get tempted when those popups announce " you are the 9999999th visitor, click here to claim your prize". I think with children, you can't really trust them with the internet these days because it's so dangerous. There are so many sick people out there who can easily make a child "meet up" with them. I think it's also good to educate them

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14 years ago

All my kids are grown now, but I have no problem saying that when they were younger I have software from this company installed on their computer:

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Mili_D

14 years ago

You think facebook is only worrying for kids well let m tell you, there other day I was reading that some girl's exboyfriend took pictures of her in her underwear and when they had broken up out of revenge he posted pictures of her on facebook claim she was some stripper and was interested in a no string attach relationship and he even put down what area the poor girl was from. The girl made several complaints to face book and all they could do is frizz the account and every time this would happen her exboyfriend would create another account and do the same. It makes me think, what this world is coming to! So the moral of this story is don't trust anyone and certainly don't strip in front of a bloke who will post pictures of you on facebook! lol I think the main thing is you just need to carful.

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YourProfessional

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mili_D

You think facebook is only worrying for kids well let m tell you, there other day I was reading that some girl's exboyfriend took pictures of her in her underwear and when they had broken up out of revenge he posted pictures of her on facebook claim she was some stripper and was interested in a no string attach relationship and he even put down what area the poor girl was from. The girl made several complaints to face book and all they could do is frizz the account and every time this would happen her exboyfriend would create another account and do the same. It makes me think, what this world is coming to! So the moral of this story is don't trust anyone and certainly don't strip in front of a bloke who will post pictures of you on facebook! lol I think the main thing is you just need to carful.

That's nothing. In South Africa girls and guys (high school children) video themselves fooling around and send it through Mxit (a cellphone chat program).

It's quite hectic. I'm 23 and because my folks were honest and open with me I never did anything stupid like that but I can tell you, even if the parents are careful, there are stupid children out there who will go behind their backs.

It's quite scary. I can't wait to be a mom but I'm thinking of keeping my children hidden from technology until they're like... 21

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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ThomM

Spoken like a child that has no idea what being a parent is about.

Believe me when you have kids, if you love them you will watch them.
My youngest (who just became a mother) and I where talking about this the other day. I used the bumper car analogy as tp how I raised her.
The bumper car was her life, free to go where it wanted within a defined area. I was the bumpers, there to protect her when it was needed.

Maybe.. But, your opinions change all the time at different points of life, don't they? I'm sure if you were my age you wouldn't say what you're saying now.

If you do everything your parents say in your life, that doesn't prepare you for the rest of your life, does it?

Like, my mom banned me from getting a bike (ever in my life. Daddy's okay, but his say hardly counts.

), because some neighbor, a long time ago had met with an accident. Seeing that profile pic of yours, I'm compelled to ask, what do you think of that?

Sure we're gonna make our mistakes. But at some point, you have to trust us, our skill and intelligence. Now if the kid is 10 and on the internet, it makes sense you watch him. But, when you're 13-15 you're mature enough to figure out for yourself that something is wrong.

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

Adults have to make decisions that children don't like. You're not exactly a child, you're 17. When i think 'child' i think up to about 15-16 and that depends on the kid.

Cool!

Originally Posted by ptone

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Congratulations Sumit, you just won the "Worst Piece Of Advice Ever Given on the Warrior Forum" award.

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hmmm...
Oww... was that supposed to be funny? Should I laugh? :\

Originally Posted by aaaa33030

I thought one had to be over 18 years old to be a member at facebook

You only need to be 13. It's in their privacy policy.

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Doug

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sumit Menon

Sure we're gonna make our mistakes. But at some point, you have to trust us, our skill and intelligence. Now if the kid is 10 and on the internet, it makes sense you watch him. But, when you're 13-15 you're mature enough to figure out for yourself that something is wrong.

Oh My Head! Sumit, it is this type of thinking predators spot as "ripe for the picking."

Trust is earned. Even with children. And with earned trust involved children have no idea, none, about what is really out there.

Trusting your child does not equate to that child having the maturity to navigate the world of Facebook. Or the world at large.

Take learning to drive a car for example. My child can learn how to drive. My teaching them how to drive combined with passing both drivers education and their license exams leaves me confident I can trust my child to drive unsupervised, on occasion.

That trust however does not in any way prepare my child for the real dangers of driving. I can teach them how to drive...I cannot teach the experience I know they truly need to be safe in all situations. As their parent I would be most irresponsible to just turn my kid loose with driving freedoms.

All I can do, after doing my part, is hope and pray my child remains safe.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

I must say I'm a bit shocked coming in here today and seeing that comment about children have a right to privacy - as someone else said, this is spoken from a child who has no idea about being a parent.
A child is a child, a parent is his/her guardian, it is our responsibility to supervise them and keep them safe and I'm sorry but that means that we have a responsibility to know what they are doing.
There is no 'issue' in my home about having privacy. There are rules and rules that my children follow and these rules are there for a reason - to protect them.
Don't come in here and tell me that I'm breaking their rights to privacy.

Yes I believe you do have to be around 16 to be on Facebook but most kids just put in a false age. Half of the kids at my kids school are on facebook and some of them as young as 7.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

But, when you're 13-15 you're mature enough to figure out for yourself that something is wrong.

You really think that 13-15 year olds are mature enough to know when something is wrong?

There was a girl near where I live who was about 17 or 18 and met some people on Facebook. She then went and actually met up with them and she got murdered. Her body was found floating in the ocean the next morning. She was older than what you are saying is mature enough to know when something is wrong.

Even some adults get fooled by people they speak to online. You have no idea what a person is really like talking online, so don't give me that crap that at 13 you are mature enough to know if something is wrong.

There are a lot of sickos out there and it is my responsibility as a parent to try and protect my children from them.

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YourProfessional

14 years ago

I need to say though. I've met people on the internet. I was part of a forum that was for Lord of the Rings Fanatics.

I went to the plaza meets and had my female friends come stay over with me (even though we hadn't met yet). When you speak to people for two to three years, via the phone, webcam, email, text, you know a persons spirit regardless.

I'm glad my parents always trusted me enough not to invade my personal privacy and they really had nothing to worry about. I was always open about them with everything

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SEOExpert104

14 years ago

Well that's good you take care of yourself, but when it comes to kids like 10, well they should have their own privacy, but they should tell their parents if he is going to meet someone who he never met, or if he was threatened or similar.

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mithil

14 years ago

Its difficult to keep a track on a kid's dos but one need to be alert so as to avoid such kind of incidents.

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Sumit Menon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka

You really think that 13-15 year olds are mature enough to know when something is wrong?

There was a girl near where I live who was about 17 or 18 and met some people on Facebook. She then went and actually met up with them and she got murdered. Her body was found floating in the ocean the next morning. She was older than what you are saying is mature enough to know when something is wrong.

Even some adults get fooled by people they speak to online. You have no idea what a person is really like talking online, so don't give me that crap that at 13 you are mature enough to know if something is wrong.

There are a lot of sickos out there and it is my responsibility as a parent to try and protect my children from them.

18 is the legal age for an adult. So, when adults get fooled too, shouldn't they be watched too?

There are gonna be some fools who are gonna fall prey anyway. That doesn't mean your kid is gonna be that fool. If you look at my first comment, I didn't just say invasion of privacy, I also said, ask him not to meet anyone in person without your permission and give out personal details.

That should protect any normal 13 year old.

Sumit.

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SEOExpert104

14 years ago

you should watch for your daughter/son until she/he reaches about the age of 22.

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jodamy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by denomardin

you should watch for your daughter/son until she/he reaches about the age of 22.

I'm looking more towards 32. lol
It is dangerous out there, and that's why I like to keep my 2 girls as close to me and my wife's side as possible. But without smothering them.
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  That should protect any normal 13 year old.
  
  You won't understand how ridiculous that comment is until you have a daughter that age! It's against the laws of nature for a 17 yr old to understand how parent's think
  
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demark

14 years ago

Ooops! I'm not a father yet, so I shouldn't be reading this. Sorry!

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Kay King 14 years ago

If you read it - some day you'll think about it and laugh!
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Deeps2365

14 years ago

That's terrible.

Made me think about meeting someone new off the internet

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jackief

14 years ago

My daughter is 19 and I still worry about what she's doing online. I'm constantly reminding her not to give out personal details. I am so glad the internet wasn't such a big thing when my kids were really young. But whatever their age you never stop worrying about them, especially girls.

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14 years ago

awww, thanks fer sharing!

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wholesale

14 years ago

In the Uk just before christmas some kid went missing , and that was bec of facebook. Whats this world coming to

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

The world is no more dangerous than it has ever been. But thanks to the internet and children's gullibility the world has more acess to children

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seasoned

14 years ago

The FACT is that *****ANY***** remote site, internet or not, affords an anonnymity that can create a DANGER!

A child should try to avoid even saying they are a child, if they can, and certainly not give identifying info. And Jazbo, EVEN while illustrating how WRONG he is, is utterly WRONG! There has NEVER, before 1990, been a decade where you could leave a message that can be picked up in CHINA like NOW! NEVER where that person could inspect your area remotely. NEVER where they could fly to your home. So HOW are you safer? MORE opportunities to meet people that can put you in denger means you have a greater chance of being in danger.

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Michael Motley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

The FACT is that *****ANY***** remote site, internet or not, affords an anonnymity that can create a DANGER!

A child should try to avoid even saying they are a child, if they can, and certainly not give identifying info. And Jazbo, EVEN while illustrating how WRONG he is, is utterly WRONG! There has NEVER, before 1990, been a decade where you could leave a message that can be picked up in CHINA like NOW! NEVER where that person could inspect your area remotely. NEVER where they could fly to your home. So HOW are you safer? MORE opportunities to meet people that can put you in denger means you have a greater chance of being in danger.

Steve

oh my god they can look at a sat view of your neighborhood!! MY GOD WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP!!!?!?!?!

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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Motley

oh my god they can look at a sat view of your neighborhood!! MY GOD WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP!!!?!?!?!

WHO KNOWS!? I have heard of some cases where that was awfully recent and detailed. My point is simply that people from FAR away could find out a lot about you, and travel to where you live. hey, some stalkers HAVE been known to go pretty far. Even 80 years ago, that would be considered nearly impossible.

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bardman

14 years ago

Yes, there are many dangers and we should certainly communicate with our children to keep them informed. There is a balance somewhere between freedom and deprivation - every parent has to find that for themselves. Unfortunately, with kids, just because we tell them to be careful and explicitly outline the dangers for them, that doesn't mean they will listen. They are children. They are curious. As parents, we must stay aware and vigilant while allowing a reasonable amount of freedom so the child can grow into a useful and compassionate human being.

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