Forum posting rules/etiquette

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I couldn't find my answer in sticky threads or at warriorsupport.com. I couldn't find a forum dedicated for forum questions either. So I post here to try get my answer even though it doesn't feel really relevant.

This is about forum posts.

I understand that there are rules about how one should create signatures for promotion uses. what about in the posts themselves? Are there rules or there is an etiquette involved. For instance:

1) Someone requests suggestions for a good blogging membership site. I see people suggesting fellows and it is deemed ok. Would it be ok to come and say, "you can sign up with me at my sig link"?

2) I am thinking about starting a new service towards IM people and I ask what people look for in such a product/service. Would it be thought as clandestine advertising? But then, asking the question in a WSO or classified thread would also be weird (if it wasn't a hidded ad in the first place, that is.) What to do?

3) Is it okay to distribute a free report on a main forum thread?
a) if it is just a direct link,
b) if it requires email submit,
c) if the report links to sales offers...

Again, I am sorry if this isn't the place, but I don't want to raise eyebrows or trigger a ban just because I myself think it is a fair use of the forum.

If there is a resource you could refer to, I'd most appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by knowwow View Post

    I understand that there are rules about how one should create signatures for promotion uses. what about in the posts themselves? Are there rules or there is an etiquette involved.
    Yes to both. Many of the rules are a little unclear, and the etiquette is largely unwritten, but you'll get the hang of it.

    1) Someone requests suggestions for a good blogging membership site. I see people suggesting fellows and it is deemed ok. Would it be ok to come and say, "you can sign up with me at my sig link"?
    It is generally considered in bad taste to recommend your own service, but with sufficient time and posts people will often look the other way if you do it rarely.

    General rule that works well: if you have a link in your signature, don't say "look at my sig!" (I've done that, it's not pretty, take my word for it: don't)... just mention "I do that. You might also try THIS person, or THAT person." The questioner can usually figure out that since you do that, you probably have a link in your sig, and because you've "given back" by recommending others there's a lot less grumbling over self-promotion.

    Self-promotion is a subtle thing here. Be casual about it, don't push hard, and make sure you're delivering value to the community the whole time. Ideally, don't promote yourself at all, just let others promote you of their own accord. The best Warriors get mentioned quite frequently in threads asking for referrals. It is a REALLY GOOD IDEA to learn which Warriors have good reputations in different fields, so you can recommend them to others.

    2) I am thinking about starting a new service towards IM people and I ask what people look for in such a product/service.
    This one's tricky. I asked people what they would want in a product I was creating for a WSO, and I was temporarily banned for promoting an upcoming WSO. Now I ask those questions in other forums. I don't know how to stay on the right side of the line with that, so I avoid it entirely. It can be done; I see people do it; I just don't know how to do it safely.

    3) Is it okay to distribute a free report on a main forum thread?
    You would generally post those here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/make-money-online/

    To combine 2 and 3, use your free report to build a list and then ask your list. Nobody here can tell you what you can and can't ask on your own list.
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    • Profile picture of the author knowwow
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      I asked people what they would want in a product I was creating for a WSO, and I was temporarily banned for promoting an upcoming WSO. Now I ask those questions in other forums. I don't know how to stay on the right side of the line with that, so I avoid it entirely. It can be done; I see people do it; I just don't know how to do it safely.
      Just what's said above can suggest that there are unwritten rules, and as far as I understand, CD hasn't been arguing about the rightness or wrongness of this anyway; he's just stating an observation from his own experience on the forum.

      Another possible deduction could be that similar situations can result in arbitrary action. And that would be serious.

      I myself would argue that such things wouldn't be healthy in any online community.

      But I won't, because -to illustrate how a newly active member like myself can be confused- I had read elsewhere that the way to staying a member on the forum requires keeping a low-profile, like for instant that there is an inner circle and that I should never argue with them or diss their products or I could be banned without any reason given.

      And to illustrate this further: "I am even afraid that this very paragraph may cause me trouble."

      There was a thread yesterday about sharing of WSO's outside the forum like on BH sites. That thread is gone today. I am not sure if it was because a comment there which led the conversation into the topic of racism, or because it was about piracy of WSOs. What I got out of this experience was that I wouldn't be involved in such threads in the future. I feel like 20 minutes of my time has been history. Actually, I had seen my post count go down many times and I have only now figured out that I may never be able to figure out the reason and just guess.

      Such can be the moderation here and I accept it as it is (I don't expect to be notified with reasons afterall).
      My original question was from my desire to have a long future here in this community without getting out of line with what would seem to senior members as "common sensical". CD's response AND others have been very informative.

      I'd like to sum up what I see here.
      Nobody is saying all rules should be written down.
      What CD calls "unwritten rules", another may see as common sense.
      But in any case, it seems like newish active members need to somewhat cultivate this sense common to the established members.
      That is, if you will count my experience as a valid example. I thought and still think that asking for advice on a future product should be fair game. But it turns it may be a reason for a temporary ban here.
      Now that I know, I won't do that and I will be more common-sensical
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    @Cdarklock,

    I was expecting small pieces of input and advice coming from several people but you just covered it all. Thanks so much.

    I will be dedicating some of my time today to read your previous posts. I can always use more wisdom.

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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
    I know exactly how you feel knowwow.
    Apparently people with my sort of profile are regarded with great suspicion here.
    (ie been members for quite a while, not many posts, and long gaps between posting)

    After reading some of the threads on here, I'm reluctant to even help anyone out let alone to offer any of my work in the War Room, put up a WSO, or basically do anything because of the multitude of unwritten rules that seem to be in force now.

    Oh well, I can still gain a lot by lurking.
    cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post

      I know exactly how you feel knowwow.
      Apparently people with my sort of profile are regarded with great suspicion here.
      You have a benefit you're overlooking: your picture is congruent with your behaviour. You act like I imagine the person in your avatar would act. That consistency counts for something.

      This isn't some sort of secret society, you know. It's just the way communities develop over extended periods of time. Unwritten rules begin to proliferate around the three to five year mark.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        This isn't some sort of secret society, you know. It's just the way communities develop over extended periods of time. Unwritten rules begin to proliferate around the three to five year mark.
        While it may not be a secret society there are still a maze of underlying friendships, alliances, groups, and people who totally ignore each other.

        I certainly have not kept up with all of these, as I have only come here from time to time. So hopefully I won't committ some cardinal sin that will result in me being banned for life.

        I remember when Steven Wagenheim started off in WF. No doubt he'd be banned today if he just jumped in like he did back then and started posting like a machine gun.

        Anyway, thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post

          No doubt he'd be banned today if he just jumped in like he did back then and started posting like a machine gun.
          Happens to the best of us - I'm just back from a one-month ban myself.
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          • Profile picture of the author knowwow
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            Happens to the best of us - I'm just back from a one-month ban myself.
            Can I ask what you were charged with? Not being prolific I hope.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by knowwow View Post

              Can I ask what you were charged with? Not being prolific I hope.
              Another of those unwritten rules is that we don't really talk about why bans happened on the forum. It also tends to make them happen again.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    There seems to be a lot more talk about banning than actual banning.
    Yes, Steven was banned recently,and if you ask him,he deserved it.
    CDDarklock, I don't know why he was banned,but he was, and as you can see, it wasn't permanent.

    There is no multitude of unwritten rules here.
    The rules are simple, treat each other with respect.
    Don't spam.
    This is without a doubt one of the best forums on the internet.
    You shouldn't hesitate to contribute if you can.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      You shouldn't hesitate to contribute if you can.
      Well, I might if I can eventually resolve all the ambiguous information that is flying around, and work out what actually can be done and what can't.

      Apparently just asking about such things is considered by some people as self promotional, and therefore a banning offence.

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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post

        Well, I might if I can eventually resolve all the ambiguous information that is flying around, and work out what actually can be done and what can't.

        Apparently just asking about such things is considered by some people as self promotional, and therefore a banning offence.

        cheers,
        Eric G.
        Eric there was a thread recently in the main forum that could be a good example.
        The person who started the thread (a member of one day) demanded to know (in all caps) why he needed 50 posts to respond or send PM's.
        He was banned.
        In the same thread another new member asked in normal type, politely, the same question.
        His question was answered and he wasn't banned.

        Some members who have been here for years with very few posts will ask a question with an attitude like everyone here owes them for being a member for a long time. They get blasted.

        Others like you and knowwow ask questions, I don't know how else to say this, like a regular Warrior would.
        You can see the difference in the responses you have been getting.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      CDDarklock, I don't know why he was banned,but he was, and as you can see, it wasn't permanent.
      And it was fair. There's no grudge over here. You'll find that in general, very few people actually have a problem with anything that leads to a ban. They understand why it happened, and it's a fair decision.

      There is no multitude of unwritten rules here.
      Tribal knowledge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Every community has a multitude of unwritten rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I've been on this forum almost 10 years if not more, I've never seen anyone banned for asking about the rules, but if you have a question I suggest asking the helpdesk, as they would be the authoritive source.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    And of course, that was the point I was trying to make, that it was probbably fair.

    Now of course,we have to agree to disagree about the unwritten rules. I think on this forum especially things are pretty above board and if you follow the rules posted above each forum you will never have any problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Now of course,we have to agree to disagree about the unwritten rules.
      What word is automatically replaced by "Bluefart" in posts?

      Don't tell me - link to the written rule.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        What word is automatically replaced by "Bluefart" in posts?

        Don't tell me - link to the written rule.
        you have to be linked to the 'rule' that prohibits illegal activity?

        when you walk into your local convience store, do you see a rule that says no defecating in the chip and dip aisle? No? well why havent you taken a dump there yet?
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          you have to be linked to the 'rule' that prohibits illegal activity?
          You have to stomp in and try to argue without knowing what the argument is?

          Rules exist whether they are written down or not, and it's impossible to write down every rule.

          So some rules are unwritten. Claiming we don't have any such rules here is like saying "we don't have gravity on this floor of the building."
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            You have to stomp in and try to argue without knowing what the argument is?

            Rules exist whether they are written down or not, and it's impossible to write down every rule.

            So some rules are unwritten. Claiming we don't have any such rules here is like saying "we don't have gravity on this floor of the building."
            There is a difference between an 'unwritten rule' and common sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    It is my understanding that BH being replaced by the word Bluefart is more a preactical joke than anything else. No where are you given a rule that it can't be discussed.

    I don't believe something like that would qualify as a "rule" they same way that "no politics and religion" would.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      It is my understanding that BH being replaced by the word Bluefart is more a preactical joke than anything else.
      It is my understanding that any predictable and reliable behaviour of software constitutes a rule.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    It is my understanding that this discussion is pointless, as you are now comparing apples and oranges.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    CD, you have changed your argument several times now.
    I don't know why, your first few posts were well written and on target.
    First,it is not impossible to write down every rule. But one shouldn't have to.
    Second it was hinted that the WF had a multitude of unwritten rules.
    The fact is, it doesn't.
    And like Michael says, it is mostly common sense.
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    Bottom lines is whatever works for you.
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