Who here is college educated?

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That's it for the question.

I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

Happy marketing,

Shane
#college #college educated #educated
  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Just graduated a few years back!
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    • Profile picture of the author mithunchetan
      Many people make the false belief in thinking that studying psychology is strictly limited to a person pursuing one type of profession, this being a licensed psychologist. They are not aware that there are actually many different career choices that a person can obtain going into this discipline and it isn't just being a psychologist or therapist.
      Once someone has made it into being an undergraduate student studying Psychology can be a great way to not only enhance a person skills of learning more about human functioning, but they will also learn more about different personalities and how to work effectively with different types of people. This knowledge is useful in many different careers, so much so that many employers seek undergrad students that have psychology degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I'm college educated.

    Bio-Medical Engineering, so much for that degree + $120k but it got me to where I am today so no regrets!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tam Chancellor
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post


      Bio-Medical Engineering, so much for that degree + $120k but it got me to where I am today so no regrets!
      That was my major when I first went to college. I didn't like the engineering
      part. I ended up with a BS in Cellular/Molecular Biology with a minor in
      statistics. Haven't used it much, but I do love biology and math.

      Tam
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    I could technically say I am college educated I done college at 16 in england . I will hopefully be going to university in September to do a full marketing degree.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money. Perhaps it gives you some basics to go after the knowledge you need but you definitely don't get the practical ins and outs of being an entrepreneur from college.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money.
        I don't think the OP suggested there is a cause/effect relationship.

        DrGUID nailed it here:

        Actually you don't have to be that smart to get a doctorate, you just have to have the drive to actually finish writing the thesis. Anyone who has that sort of drive has exactly the right skills for IM!
        Perhaps the type of people who go to college share the same characteristics as successful folks -- drive, determination, ambition, planning/vision, taking action, etc. Maybe even risk taking (anyone who's come out of college with a five or six figure debt knows what I'm talking about here -- a big debt and no guarantee your degree will pay for itself ).

        Cheers,
        Becky

        ETA: You can also meet some like-minded folks in college. Those connections can come in handy later in life, no matter what path you eventually take.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
          Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

          I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

          Anyway,

          Happy marketing,

          Shane
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          • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

            I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

            Anyway,

            Happy marketing,

            Shane
            Ah, very glad to hear it Shane. (the Dan Kennedy part).

            I got a gud edumacasion aright - Bachelor in Business focusing on marketing... honestly it was fun, I enjoyed it, and it gave me a new way of thinking about things, but beyond that, I could do without it in what I'm doing today.

            The marketing education you're getting from DK is FAR superior to what you're likely getting at college. I know my marketing courses were all about choosing focus groups, creating surveys, and big picture stuff. Great if you're going into the corporate world. Useful, to a point, but honestly I think the biggest marketing skills you can ever develop are copywriting, and on a broader sense, direct response style marketing. Which they will never teach in college.

            Today on a daily basis I use skills that I've learned from people such as DK. My degree doesn't really factor into my day to day, however I do give it credit for teaching me how to think analytically about business situations.

            But seeing as you're there already - enjoy it. Like you say, there's not a huge downside to college (except perhaps when you count opportunity cost .

            Cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Murphy
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

            I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

            Anyway,

            Happy marketing,

            Shane
            For once I agree with Dan, whoever it is..:p
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          • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

            I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

            Anyway,

            Happy marketing,

            Shane
            I have a 4 year degree in education. I started an MBA in marketing and never went back....

            There is never a downside to acquiring knowledge. Remember, formal education has a heft price tag. If you truly believe that the program will advance your career, then take the leap. If not, keep the learning going on your own time.

            Many people forget how important professional development is!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money. Perhaps it gives you some basics to go after the knowledge you need but you definitely don't get the practical ins and outs of being an entrepreneur from college.
        I have a doctorate; but everything I needed to learn about life I learned in Kindergarten and everything I learned about money I learned in my businesses.

        By the way, it took many years after college before I got my real MBA (Massive Bank Account)
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        • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
          Yo.

          Degrees in psychology and communication, neither of which are really what I do but have come in fairly handy.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
            I have a degree in Aeronautical Science.

            *break*

            Kirahster,

            I will create 1 health related product per month between now and May 2010
            Just wondering how your product creation is doing?

            Kevin
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            • Profile picture of the author webwriter
              I hold a bachelor's, master's and doctorate in education, and still enjoy learning. This, from a person who hated grade school and high school and had every intention of dropping out of school.

              College was a different story, though. I LOVED it! My grades were pretty good too.

              My mom once said that education is not heavy and that it cannot be taken from you once you have it.
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            • Profile picture of the author EquestrianGal
              I have a Bachelor of Science degree - but my degree has nothing to do with IM OR my current career. Guess I just can't decide what I want to do when I 'grow up'
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              • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
                BSc in Psychology which I got back in 2006. Next year I am planning on doing my masters sincre my son will be 3 then Since 2006 though I have been studying other things..I really love learning...love love love it. If I am not learning I am not living!
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            • Profile picture of the author Forest_Parks
              I left school at 16 (in England) and pursued a career in Graphic Design building form the bottom up and ending up as a well paid design manager at a reputable firm.... then I cracked and got sick of the corporate side of things... I moved to Canada, got a job in a bar and then that is when I found IM.... (I'm 28 now btw).

              Not I Internet Market and build sites for clients..... I am thinking of going to college but it's unlikely it will be related to IM or Graphic Design. I am thinking of doing Animal Behavior or something that interests me like that.

              I have a lot of respect for people who have completed college to any level.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
              Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post


              Kirahster,



              Just wondering how your product creation is doing?

              Kevin

              Thanks for the interest Kevin.

              The product creation is actually going a lot easier than I thought it would. I have 3 product created and plans for 3 more. I am focusing currently on driving traffic to 2 of the sales pages that I have created. That is a lot more time consuming than the product creation! I am writing articles and building links like a mad woman!!
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            • Profile picture of the author aduer
              Electrical/Computer Engineering and MBA
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            • Profile picture of the author Edk
              I am college educated but it's an over-rated pasttime. Meeting people you wouldn't otherwise have met, and having a relatively relaxed time for 3 or so years, that's about all that's to be said for it in my opinion.
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            • Profile picture of the author dougp
              Good point you made op. Contrary to belief, being college educated can can help you become rich. Just look at all of the world's billionaires, most of them went to college or inherited their fortune from their parents who were well educated. Also, dont give me that mumbo jumbo that Bill Gates never finished college. What school did he went to again?

              Doug
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            • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
              Ph.D. in Linguistics, Masters in Journalism and another one in Creative Writing ;-)

              And believe it or not, the stuff I learned is coming in handy, especially when it comes to copywriting.

              Even though I sometimes think I should have gotten a marketing degree instead of the one in creative writing. But then I've been studying up on marketing on my own (and with the help of the excellent teachers right here in the Warrior Forum).
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            • Profile picture of the author BenBrandes
              I never went to College (AKA University). I left high school then went straight into business.

              You learn more by doing than studying so I jumped straight into the deep end
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            • Profile picture of the author T.R. McCarroll
              Old guy with a degree in business management .. marketing classes in college where a joke ..... now the law classes were the best .. made you think on your feet ..still thank the professors for that ... should of been a lawyer ... hmmm ... never too old ...did get an A in drinking and raising hell

              Granted it was '70's money but I would do it again .. changed my life .. put me years ahead of the people I knew that didn't go.
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            • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
              Bachelors in Science of Nursing (BSN), Assoc. in Business Admin. My struggles through my education warped my mind into being the successful person I am today, it wasnt the education that made me who I am, but the struggles and how I dealt with them.

              I of course couldnt get any type of financial aid through school and it sucked big time. While people I knew were getting a hand out from some source, I had to change the way I thought in order to "make it." I had to figure out how to make money with absolutely nothing, and then how I could turn whatever I made into even more money. By the time I got my degree, and a job, I was already making what someone else was willing to pay me. Now Im in the situtation where I went to school for several years, paid it off already, and don't want to just quit my job to work at home completely because I dont want to feel like I wasted money on my education but I pretty much did. However having the double source of income is nice, my lack of time is not nice at all. If somehow my online businesses fail, I could always fall back on being a RN.

              The vast majority of people who are wealthy are people who had a lot of dedication and focus in what they do or once did, including their education which is just an investment. Its all cool and amazing when someone who is uneducated becomes a millionare, but that person usually has those qualities I just mentioned, and those are common qualities in people who complete a university level education. Thats why so many people who are wealthy are the way they are, even if they are now doing something that is completely unrelated to their education.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ruth Hendrickson
              I have a masters degree in psychology but am not a millionaire ... yet ...
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            • Profile picture of the author kfilliez
              I got a taste of 4 colleges before graduating from the University of Nevada, Reno.

              I spent 1 year at California State University, Chico...That was lots of fun
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            • Profile picture of the author robinter
              Education is always a good thing, but you should always go for the things that you want and like.
              Not for the things other people want and like for you.
              Just my 2 krona.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
              I was educated at college 25-30 years ago, but nowadays, I don't think that anyone who's been educated in a university in England can hold up their hand and say that they've been "educated".

              To get people "past the post" and make the system look good, generally the whole system here in the UK is so watered down now, that a degree in any field is about as much use as a second-hand car warranty.

              I work in the the motorsport engineering industry. As I said in a post a few months ago, many of the graduates we employ, can't even do simple mental arithmetic, or write a gramatically correct sentence. It's a disgrace (although no surprise under the current Government). Think for themselves? understand problems? that's laughable... take their computer away, and they're lost.
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            • Profile picture of the author reapr
              Yeah yeah count me in I got my 4 years of BS.
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            • Profile picture of the author s.chas
              I have a degree in graphic design and was working on a degree in marketing when my aff biz blew up, after a few really big months, I put school on hold for the time being.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
              Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

              I have a degree in Aeronautical Science.

              *break*

              Kirahster,



              Just wondering how your product creation is doing?

              Kevin
              I should have my degree in Psychology in April. Can't wait to get into IM full time. thinking about doing a masters in MARKETING. Do you guys think I should?
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        • Profile picture of the author TheWealthSquad
          Chemical Engineer BS
          Minor in Psychology
          Variety of other classes in business, management, Six Sigma, etc (Company I worked for was a big believer in continuing education)

          Biggest things I learned?
          1) No matter how complex the system, you can break it down into smaller sections that you can understand and improve on
          2) People are people - learn what drives them and you can help them get it

          I also learned that deadlines matter, sleep is over rated, some people get things quickly and others never do, 2nd shift is a great time to work, no matter what obstacles come at you - adapt and overcome. No excuses.

          Finishing is what matters not starting.
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        • Profile picture of the author eclario
          proapc - so true so true. Im ABD and starting to see the fruits of the Ph.D. Affiliate Marketing though was after 6 months.
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          • Profile picture of the author NenadR
            Well, I do have a bachelors degree in Computer Science, Physics and Mathematics... But I really think that things like that do not matter. I have actually used only very little of anything I learned at University.

            But then again, I was to busy getting an education to actually go to lectures.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jec
            I am a graduate of Commerce Major In Business Administration few years back.

            IM for me is just a part time job, hope to be in full time soon.
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          • Profile picture of the author MidnightMarketing
            Did a 1 year stint at a state university. Spent the next 18 months getting a degree in multimedia. I then found out after graduation that my diploma was a worthless piece of paper because the tech school was not accredited and was shut down. Fail.
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      • Profile picture of the author sqnwk
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money. Perhaps it gives you some basics to go after the knowledge you need but you definitely don't get the practical ins and outs of being an entrepreneur from college.
        I agree its not the college education that matters, but more so that the traits that college educated people have, to earn a college education you have to be some what smart, work hard along with commitment and perseverance. The same traits that make people successful in life and allow them to become millionaires.

        For the record, I have a college degree in Economics.
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        • Profile picture of the author netkid
          I have a BA in liberal arts...class of 78.

          I do believe that a college eduation can be helpful for IM'rs because, whether related to marketing or not, the social experience and the learning methods you are exposed to while there is priceless.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    i was educated at university and left in 2006 and built my internet marketing business whilst studying.

    I find that a lot of students jump into internet marketing whilst at uni because they want flexible income streams.

    kind regards


    sam
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    I graduated for graphic design a while back. I'm currently 21. Now I'm into internet marketing full time.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      I graduated for graphic design a while back. I'm currently 21. Now I'm into internet marketing full time.
      Mine was in graphic design as well. Except i'm 32, so when I learned design we didn't use the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    I really do have a PhD, and I didn't buy it online lol.

    I'm not sure it has helped my career that much. Actually you don't have to be that smart to get a doctorate, you just have to have the drive to actually finish writing the thesis. Anyone who has that sort of drive has exactly the right skills for IM!
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    • Profile picture of the author kchickeymonkey
      I'm not college educated, but I'm also not a millionaire. I have 4 kids, 29 years old, and just started IM 1 1/2 years ago. Hopefully no college won't have an impact on my success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr.Williamstn
        I am college educated. I have a B.A in nutrition and dietetics. I started IM in college and I am currently In college getting my masters and I am 21 years old. I also am a college athlete (not all athletes are stupid)lol!! I make a decent amount of money through Cpa because I do mor offline stuff I have good people skills. I have to say college helps I puts you In a diffrent mind frame than non college people. Also I can say It proably won't hinder you If you didnt go to college
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    • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
      Originally Posted by DrGUID View Post

      I really do have a PhD, and I didn't buy it online lol.

      I'm not sure it has helped my career that much. Actually you don't have to be that smart to get a doctorate, you just have to have the drive to actually finish writing the thesis. Anyone who has that sort of drive has exactly the right skills for IM!
      I have a PhD and DrGuid is correct. Getting a doctorate is quite difficult but the difficulty is in staying motivated rather than the actual work involved.

      For example:

      Unless you are gunning for an academic career* having a doctorate is pretty much useless. An exception is if you plan to write popular (rather than academic) books on any subject. Publishers like to have Dr. So-and-So on the cover because it lends not only the writer but the subject more credibility.

      As you are writing you are painfully aware that including you probably less than 5 people will ever read the final thesis.

      For all the talk of 'making a real contribution to the field' most PhDs don't and by the time you're submitting it, you know that it's totally inadequate.

      *Even if you do want an academic career, a PhD alone won't get you one. It's just something you're expected to have. You need published papers more than anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
    I have a degree in Biochemistry. It was worth getting it.
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    • Profile picture of the author FortressDewey
      Originally Posted by Kirahster View Post

      I have a degree in ..... It was worth getting it.
      History & PR....was some of the best times in my life.
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  • Profile picture of the author LeapingHorse
    Finance degree in undergrad and MBA afterwards. Definitely happy with my choice of degrees (despite the debt it got me in!)

    Does it help with IM?

    I would say so - many aspects can be applied (marketing, finance, leadership etc)
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    I started College but hated what I was doing and started full time work instead. I am possibly going back and starting again midyear or next, not sure what I am going to study though.

    As for going to college = huge wealth,

    the jury is still out on that one, obviously if you want to be a scientist, doctor, lawyer etc you need to go to college but if your planning a career in sales and marketing, your best bet is to save your money and go get a job in marketing such as D2D or B2B or IM and you will learn the same stuff anyway as you go along.

    In college you learn theory and do maybe a short internship, but you dont really start learning till you start doing. And spending 3-4 years in college can actually be a set-back time wise in regards to building a buisiness, because you are 3-4 years behind where you could be (hope that made sense)

    If anything, go to college for the social aspect.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      A college education may not equal great wealth - there are certainly some career paths that will make you rich as any Fortune 500 CEO can attest.

      However, in the U.S., it has become a necessity to have at least a bachelor's degree. In a tough market, even entry level jobs
      either require or prefer a college educated candidate.

      And college graduates do earn more than high school grads.






      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      I started College but hated what I was doing and started full time work instead. I am possibly going back and starting again midyear or next, not sure what I am going to study though.

      As for going to college = huge wealth,

      the jury is still out on that one, obviously if you want to be a scientist, doctor, lawyer etc you need to go to college but if your planning a career in sales and marketing, your best bet is to save your money and go get a job in marketing such as D2D or B2B or IM and you will learn the same stuff anyway as you go along.

      In college you learn theory and do maybe a short internship, but you dont really start learning till you start doing. And spending 3-4 years in college can actually be a set-back time wise in regards to building a buisiness, because you are 3-4 years behind where you could be (hope that made sense)

      If anything, go to college for the social aspect.

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author dcristo
        Originally Posted by MerlynSanchez View Post

        And college graduates do earn more than high school grads.
        What a sweeping generalized comment. Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by dcristo View Post

          What a sweeping generalized comment. Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
          Some of them don't have a degree. But the average lifetime earnings soar with a college degree to more than $1million over the average lifetime earnings with a high school diploma. As mentioned earlier in this thread many of the most successful entrepreners regretted not having a degree and have returned to obtain it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Bradley
          I studied Hotel and Catering Management at college.
          To be honest,I've learned most of my skills from
          'the school of hard knocks' and the 'university of life'.
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        • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
          In the U.S., on average, every year of post secondary education equals an increase in lifetime earnings.

          A high-school graduate will earn approximately $1M USD in his/her lifetime vs. $2.1M USD for a college graduate or $4.4M USD for someone with a doctorate.

          "Some" of the richest entrepreneurs may not have degrees but they are the exception not the rule.



          Originally Posted by dcristo View Post

          What a sweeping generalized comment. Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by dcristo View Post

          Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
          Yes ... they're the tiny minority whom everyone talks about. The exceptions who prove the rule.

          As observed above, the ones people typically talk about are those who had the drive and academic qualifications to have got into Harvard and MIT and so on in the first place (before they dropped out).

          And some of them are now endowing educational scholarships with some of their money, to ensure that as few people as possible repeat what they regard as their mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebarksmeow
    I'm not college educated. Did a little technical school stint back in 2000. I'm 28, not married, and have an 8 year old daughter. It is a big ego boost to know how much I make without a college education.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Marshall
      I have a college education. I loved the college years! My degree has helped me to get more J.O.B. opportunities, but I don't think it has helped me too much when it comes to IM.

      You should get a degree if you can afford it. Some degrees are better than others. I got a business finance degree, but I have found that having a general business degree has only helped me get my foot in the door for interviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author eclario
    I am 3/4s of the way done with my Ph.D. So, yea a few of us are educated
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.
    It's also worth asking how many of us have a degree somewhat related to marketing - e.g. marketing (duh), business administration, economics - and what level of degree we have.

    I have an associates degree in Occult Science. Not even remotely related.

    It's an applied science degree. AAS. That cracks me up. It should be a specious science. Then I could sign my correspondence "Caliban Darklock, ASS."

    Some people say I should do that anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

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      • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

        KJ

        Many with a college degree have degrees in those schools as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

        KJ
        Which reminds me -- have you put in that application to be FEMA director yet?

        Cheers,
        Becky
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          Which reminds me -- have you put in that application to be FEMA director yet?

          Cheers,
          Becky
          Yup, they said I was 'over-qualified'...

          KJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Hi all,

        Mechanical Engineer (without phD), graduated anno... more than 40 years before, postgraduated in Business, Marketing and Empowerment.

        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

        KJ
        LOL ... I'm also a student of that 'university' in all my life. And I can say that you may learn in the practical life much than in the schools. It is necessary to train yourself always because of the accelerated changing in the world.

        And I have to admit that as the time making progress I notice how little I know. So 'sharpen your saw' people.

        All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author Toby Lewis
    Civil Engineer here.

    Hardly related to marketing, but it's a hell of a fall back
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  • Profile picture of the author MANNSK
    I'm a Penn State Nittany Lion for life.

    Unfortunately, the job market in the US hasn't been really friendly to those just entering, so I haven't had the best luck finding a job.

    Researching and learning about IM is a back up plan of sorts. At the end of the day, I may have a nice stream of passive income. At best, I may not have to worry about a 9 to 5 job at all. We'll see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author zcx
      Originally Posted by MANNSK View Post

      I'm a Penn State Nittany Lion for life.
      Me too! BA, PSU 1971. We are ...... (now you holler back "Penn State!" :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author JBorhez
      Originally Posted by MANNSK View Post

      I'm a Penn State Nittany Lion for life.

      Unfortunately, the job market in the US hasn't been really friendly to those just entering, so I haven't had the best luck finding a job.

      Researching and learning about IM is a back up plan of sorts. At the end of the day, I may have a nice stream of passive income. At best, I may not have to worry about a 9 to 5 job at all. We'll see what happens.
      I'm proud to say that I am also a Penn State graduate. I actually grew up in State College. My college years were the best but never did anything with my degree. I've been in LA for 10 years and "doing" IM for the past 2 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    M.A and PhD I.P ... too much to do any good IMO ... LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author eclario
    Dude - this is not a full time job. This is often the extra-curricula!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I'm with Joe. Bill. Whomever that is up there ^^^ LOL

    Nope, no college here. If I'd have had a choice, I wouldn't have finished high school and would've just whipped through a GED course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ty Neal
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      I'm with Joe. Bill. Whomever that is up there ^^^ LOL

      Nope, no college here. If I'd have had a choice, I wouldn't have finished high school and would've just whipped through a GED course.
      LOL I agree, I told my wife the other day I should drop out of high school and study IM
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  • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
    I have a degree in Business Management, with a minor in Computer Programming, however, the degree is pre-internet, therefore, not worth much these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author knowwow
    I majored in Philosophy with minors in Copywriting and Film Studies.

    Left MS programme in Information Technology for MBA [somewhat regrettably]. I was this close to completing that only I had to create a "friends for sale" page design for my future mother-in-law and so I missed deadline for project presentation (happened 2 weeks ago, still aching).

    I will probably do Phd as well, because otherwise I will have to serve in the army (at least 6 months). I can't just leave in the middle of all my efforts.

    The most helpful of all these IM-wise was studying Philosophy while doing other things. I am sure analytical + lateral thinking can get you places in this industry (watch out for me!)

    I am like seeing things as Neo sees the hallway in Matrix code, seriously...

    I am just playing

    If I get to get a very comfortable life style, I see myself getting all the college education I can get. I wouldn't mind studying HR, International Law, Architecture, American Literature, Cognitive Sciences, Cultural Administration etc. etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Half of a business degree followed by several sales-related jobs followed by a Bachelors in Agricultural Engineering. Paid the bills with commission sales, made pocket money selling tutoring services and betting on horses...
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  • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
    I dropped out of a degree course a few years back. Didn't learn my lesson though. Now studying for my Masters degree instead.

    Does it help with IM? Hell no, but when it's finished I'll get to wear a cap and gown and have my pic taken holding a rolled up piece of papter. That's gotta count for something surely?
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    • Profile picture of the author knowwow
      Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

      I dropped out of a degree course a few years back. Didn't learn my lesson though. Now studying for my Masters degree instead.

      Does it help with IM? Hell no, but when it's finished I'll get to wear a cap and gown and have my pic taken holding a rolled up piece of papter. That's gotta count for something surely?
      If you are in a social sciences department... for one thing... you get to write essays all the time. You get to make a hypothesis, give arguments, give counter arguments and defend against them, summarize the whole thing.

      That surely is good exercise when creating and marketing your products (or marketing someone else's products.)

      You need to do research for many things. And I think "research" is a big skill for a marketer.
      You get to be social in student clubs, parties etc. and relationship skills are improved there.

      Not saying that any of these can only be done in a college environment. But that you are graded (by professors [classes] or by your peers[social]) is a big motivator. And one gets to learn by experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
    BS
    MEd

    Not required for success but, all things being equal, the personal characteristics required for academic success (focus, commitment, etc...) are also important in business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yadira Barbosa
    I'm an Electronic Engineer with specialty on digital systems and also have a degree on strategics sales. But I'm happiest on IM than working for a big company
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    I gained a degree in English
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    Got a degree and a Chartered Management Accountancy qualification.

    However, it has served me no purpose and i feel it actually put me 10 steps back as it delayed my learning of real business.

    Education in todays day and age is a sure fire way to start your working life already deep in debt from Student Loans etc.

    I'm not saying Education is completely useless, of course not. However, having a collge education is not paramount to anyones business success.

    The majority of millionaires i know have no Eduaction apart from their school years.

    Riz
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    • Profile picture of the author RMC
      In a few months I'll have a degree in accounting, and a minor in marketing.

      Out of 100 or so millionaires all within a one mile radius of where I'm at right now only a couple aren't college educated...and that's because they're professional athletes...oh and one soap opera star.

      From my discussions with various "offline" millionaires... law, business, finance are all great degrees that tend to lead to big money in life. Anytime I've mentioned "accounting" they agree it's very important and a great path to take to get into business at the higher levels.

      Business degrees in general prepare you for the roadblocks in running a big business. The more specific degrees like finance, accounting, tax, law, etc are even more useful to get in the door as a higher up employee.

      Also, if you wanted to buy an offline business, but had little if any formal business education chances are very high you're going to pay too much, and run the thing in the ground.

      In that respects it's opened the door a lot wider to step into more business opportunities. It also gives you a leg up on talking online business to offline clients.

      However, all my online millionaire friends are varied. It doesn't seem to be quite as pertinent. You don't have as many of the associated costs and accounting concerns to deal with when starting an online business. You have development and labor. Build a list, send emails, make money, pay your accountant to sort it out.

      In my experience a general marketing degree isn't all that useful if you want a 9-5. You don't have to work hard to get them, and tons of people have them already so you're not going to stand out for interview selection. But as an entrepreneur it's been eye opening and worth the study. I can relate it to online marketing and it's easier to sort out the people that don't have a clue what marketing really is about.

      Overall, I think the best CEO's have an above average understanding of all facets of business and an ability for independent learning. As a semi-forced learning environment, college doesn't compare to the education a natural drive for knowledge provides, but it does open doors and prepare you for more possibilities in life.

      But like any experience in life, it's what YOU make out of it....
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  • Profile picture of the author DanPE
    Comp. Sc. (Pre-Internet though, but coding is coding, the concepts are the same even if the language is different )
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  • Profile picture of the author fitz10
    I have a masters degree in a field completely unrelated to anything having to do with business, computers, etc. For me it was 100% the right thing to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stefanie
    BA English Lit - university was a blast but it was the 18 years in direct sales that set me up for my career in IM. If you can cold call then IM is a breeze in comparison
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason James
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Shane
    That's quite interesting.. I would have thought it would have been much less than 80%.

    I went to college for 3 years because thats what everyone around me said I was supposed to do when I was young. I finally smartended up and started chasing my dreams and going after what I WANTED.

    I know Bill Gates and Michael Dell are drop outs and that actually kept me motivated quite a bit on the dark days of building my business.

    I havent ruled out finishing someday.... be nice to say im a college grad.. but right now lifes just great without out.
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  • Profile picture of the author raskal
    I have degree in international business, another in economics. Working on my masters. I feel that a college education is absolutely necessary today. Not just for the credentials but the interaction. I think I learned more valuable information from the people I met and the connections I made then in the classroom. It also exposes you to a wide varity of people...and personalities. A must for being in the business world.


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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      No college education for me. Instead I have always found it easier to learn things if I can immediately apply them in real life.

      I worked my butt off to get an apprenticeship, then took tonnes of short courses over the years and extra work to climb the corporate ladder.

      Same results in about the same amount of time, the biggest difference being that I was earning money over my first 4 years in my industry while others were paying colleges for the privilege of learning.

      1 degree versus 4 years on the job experience ~ about the same in most employers eyes that I worked with.
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    • Profile picture of the author ECMartin
      Well, although I highly doubt that study, maybe most millionaires are college educated, but most billionaires aren't
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    • Profile picture of the author Kai Pei
      I'm college educated.

      But honestly, in college you're forced to wade through a lot of unnecessary crap to study the things you truly enjoy.

      These days, I burn through books and read non-stop to keep my wits sharp. I believe strongly in education. But I'd just as soon recommend that you find a list of books with good reviews on Amazon and then run to the public library.

      That's what I do. I've saved THOUSANDS of dollars on books that I only intended to read once. If I find a gem of a book that I plan to use as a reference for the future, I'll buy it.

      I read a lot of books about marketing, entrepreneurship, copywriting, and the like. Gotta love the library. ENDLESS books for FREE
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      • Profile picture of the author Cherie
        Yes...I'm college educated as well...
        Graduated with a degree in Business Management.

        My business is definitely growing today because of the 'focus' I learned
        in college!

        Commitment to detail, studying and staying on task, as well
        the determination and drive to finish what you started....
        Doesn't hurt to have a positive mindset as well.
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      • I doubt an advanced degree in polymer technology is going to help much in IM, but a number of others degrees certainly will. My programming and adminstration degrees have helped me immensely.

        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I am Hardly edecated, and you may call me Dr. Uhl

        BS (We know what that means)
        MS (More of the Same)
        PhD (Piled high and Deep)

        Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
        - Will Durant
        A grammatical error, a mis-spelled word, and a punctuation error in one small sentence. Wow! Looks like you should have paid more attention in school instead of espousing your (apparent) argument against it. BTW, that's not even a valid argument. You simply copied and pasted other people's words without making any points, whatsoever.

        And the Will Durant quote is actually an argument for furthering one's education, which obviously you didn't realize, either.

        Originally Posted by ECMartin View Post

        Well, although I highly doubt that study, maybe most millionaires are college educated, but most billionaires aren't
        You mean the billionaires that are 'old' money? Or do you mean the ones that were in college, learned what they could, came up with a great idea, used the college's resources to build that idea, then quit college to pursue that dream, ala Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg (both Harvard dropouts)? BTW, see the first link below and you'll find that only 46 of the Forbes 400 do not have college degrees.

        Originally Posted by Kai Pei View Post

        These days, I burn through books and read non-stop to keep my wits sharp. I believe strongly in education. But I'd just as soon recommend that you find a list of books with good reviews on Amazon and then run to the public library.

        That's what I do. I've saved THOUSANDS of dollars on books that I only intended to read once. If I find a gem of a book that I plan to use as a reference for the future, I'll buy it.

        I read a lot of books about marketing, entrepreneurship, copywriting, and the like. Gotta love the library. ENDLESS books for FREE
        College teaches you the basics of your specialty, then they teach you a little more. Experience, reading, and associations are how you stay on top of your market.

        Interesting reading:

        According to the Forbes 400, only 46 of the billionaires do not have a college degree:

        Billionaire University - Forbes.com

        Here are some big lists of rich people without degrees, though, so those without secondary education can have someone to model, as well:

        College Vs. No College - Forbes.com

        Billionaire College Dropouts

        100 Top Entrepreneurs Who Succeeded without a College Degree

        100 Top Entrepreneurs Who Succeeded without a College Degree - RoySitepu.com
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson View Post

          A grammatical error, a mis-spelled word, and a punctuation error in one small sentence. Wow! Looks like you should have paid more attention in school instead of espousing your (apparent) argument against it. BTW, that's not even a valid argument. You simply copied and pasted other people's words without making any points, whatsoever.

          And the Will Durant quote is actually an argument for furthering one's education, which obviously you didn't realize, either.
          You have much to learn, my dear fellow. With a PhD degree in Economics, I espouse education highly, but as of yet my own education is not complete.

          "Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle."
          - Robert Anthony
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    • Profile picture of the author George Langer
      Bachelor degree in IT four years ago. Can't remember much from it
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    • Profile picture of the author handezengin
      I'm not going to answer all those questions directly for privacy reasons, but I graduated in 4 years from a respected public school in the southern United States. I graduated from their business college about 5 years ago...It is NOT common these days for sure, so I wouldn't get too down about it. Especially 1) if your working a lot to finance this, and/or 2) your degree is really extremely rigorous (Engineering, Statistics, etc.)...I'll temper that by saying you also need to find out what is appropriate - companies usually aren't too impressed with people that take 8 years to finish a History degree unless they have a very compelling reason for doing so.

      Anyway, how did I do it ? Well...After a great first year of college, I followed it up with a horrible second year, and then mediocre Junior/Senior years...Until right before my senior year I never took summer school because I always worked summers, but I found myself having to play catch up if I wanted to graduate on time with my class (recovering from that poor sophmore session). I had to work with my employer to rearrange my schedule to nights in order to take 15 hours of summer school! That was grueling as summer school moves fast anyway...Even still I had to take like 16 and 18 hours my senior year.

      In hindsight, I wish I hadn't have rushed this so much...Taking that many hours really dragged down my GPA - even with an extra semester it probably could have allowed me to have been .25 points higher...My reasoning for going straight through was that my parents, which helped me through college, said "you can take as long as you want in college...but we're only helping you for 4 years." Note, with that being said I worked 30 hours a week my Junior/Senior years (after savings ran out) and always during the summers, but I think its worthy of mention my parents did supplement my income helping out with rent and related expenses, because some are not so fortunate and I don't take that for granted.

      Sooo...it was a tradeoff. Had a taken another semester or two I would have had more debt as opposed to savings I was earning in the workforce. On the other hand it didn't make for much of a senior year and hurt my grades...


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    • Profile picture of the author hotboy18
      I'm a 23 year old senior Criminal Justice major with a minor in Political Science.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    Bachelor of Engineering in Australia Major in Telecommunication and Computer Network but they called it Electrical Engineering.

    A College degree may help but it isn't necessary for making big money. Having a right mind set does.
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  • Profile picture of the author SarahHarris818
    I graduated from Emerson College in Boston with a Bachelors of Science. My major was marketing. I wish I would have been involved with SEO earlier. Although marketing is related, I truly fell in love with internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    I am both college and university educated.
    degree in physics
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    School gives you discipline if nothing else. I'm shocked how much
    I'm able to accomplish while in school and just to get a good grade.

    It's same for online marketing, you have to do the work to earn
    the money (legally).

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  • Profile picture of the author txconx
    I have no degree and have regretted it many times. Can't emphasize enough how important it is to have that piece of paper and it doesn't matter (initially) what your major is when you graduate.

    I used to work with graduate students at a university and I agree with the poster who said it's all about demonstrating that you can finish. Some of the people in the PhD programs were not the brightest bulbs - but they were motivated to put in the time and work necessary to finish. That's what sets those who have a degree (especially an advanced one) apart from those who don't, folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author simbat
    I just start to be $ Dollar educated
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  • Profile picture of the author bertuseng
    I studied or a diploma in Information Technology for 3 years and after that I got my B.Ed Degree in Education in Cape Town.

    To be learned does help you and an education is something no one can take away from you, but experience is even more important I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I was going to answer, but I thought it would be a more telling exercise to have a few people guess what my level of education is.

    What's your guess?

    (I'll answer as soon as there are three guesses)

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      What's your guess?
      I'm guessing like many of us you left the education hamsterwheel for the real world after the four toughest years any child can endure.

      And, of course, I speaking about the fifth grade.

      KJ
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      • Profile picture of the author bluewillow
        B.S. in Biology, Which I never used. I like IM better, but biology is a thing of beauty. They way all the chemistry works together to create life. It's awesome.
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I was going to answer, but I thought it would be a more telling exercise to have a few people guess what my level of education is.

      What's your guess?

      (I'll answer as soon as there are three guesses)

      All the best,
      Michael
      PHD? Dr. Oksa has a nice ring to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    B.A. Psychology It was expensive and I'm not using the degree, but college was awesome! Best time of my life, and I did learn alot, inside and outside the classroom.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    I dropped out 2 years ago...I was like, I can spend all my time making money online!
    Im 20 now but at times I do miss school allot, but I cant imagine taking any classes serious when I have seen the kind of money online that ive seen.

    I was 17 making $30k a year online and still going to school....be honest...any kid would drop out once you reach the magical age of 18 earning that kind of money!!!
    So I did

    But I do miss the social contacts because IM is lonely man heheh ah well.
    Getting that fat BMW GT 5 this year will give me all the social contacts I need I guess lol
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.
    Two degrees that I haven't used since I graduated. I wish I wouldn't of gone to college and started learning IM at 18. I could of been loaded by now.

    Truthfully, I would never trade the college experience for anything. It was great.

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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    4 kids in our family. 2 with degrees. the 2 without degrees (myself included). The 2 without degrees made 4 times what the 2 with degrees did for 30 years.

    One still does. I am currently self un-employed due to a car accident.
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  • Profile picture of the author remotedb
    College Educated, Comp Sci. So far it's not helping me much in IM though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Formby
    I have just finished a degree in Computer Game Design,

    Foundation Level i still may go back and study time will tell..........

    Mikey
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Got my degree in Business (Bachelor's) with an emphasis in Marketing. The funny things is 99% of my marketing education came from forums, seminars, networking, and just flat-out doing it, not college!!!! Though it was nice learning about the 4 "P's" (and the sometimes mentioned 5th "P"), doing regression analysis, market segmentation studies, market research, how to do a proper marketing survey, etc. That stuff was useful.

    I was a "C" student. I focused more on learning people skills, sales skills, and learning how to network. I started interviewing for jobs when I was still a teenager so by the time my Senior year in college I had well over a dozen job offers. College is what you make of it and my focus was to learn how to deal with people, negotiate, debate, network, and oh yeah, let's not forget, I also minored in pick up / seduction and keg stands......I'm still find that useful.

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  • Profile picture of the author sholelimo
    i'm still a student but still burning with ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
    Not to be rude here, but everyone that has a degree is now trying to become a millionaire online.

    I call that opportunity cost and a total waste of money.

    Personally, I would not want to learn from those who teach based on theory and what has been passed down to them from other professors and teachers.

    I lasted 3 weeks at my JC, and then graduated in IM with a MBA (Massive bank account)...

    I had a marketing instructor that never made a dime in marketing/sales, but yet was certified to teach a class about marketing? NO WAY!

    The only class that I appreciated was "business law", because the professor was an actual business attorney so his knowledge was real world.

    I truly believe you don't need a college degree to become a millionaire.

    Magazines, news, articles will aways say a degree pays more, which it does compared to who though?..

    Plus they have to keep selling the system, because colleges are profitable.

    Also what is a millionaire?.....
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      Not to be rude here, but everyone that has a degree is now trying to become a millionaire online.

      I call that opportunity cost and a total waste of money.

      Personally, I would not want to learn from those who teach based on theory and what has been passed down to them from other professors and teachers.

      I lasted 3 weeks at my JC, and then graduated in IM with a MBA (Massive bank account)...

      I had a marketing instructor that never made a dime in marketing/sales, but yet was certified to teach a class about marketing? NO WAY!

      The only class that I appreciated was "business law", because the professor was an actual business attorney so his knowledge was real world.

      I truly believe you don't need a college degree to become a millionaire.

      Magazines, news, articles will aways say a degree pays more, which it does compared to who though?..

      Plus they have to keep selling the system, because colleges are profitable.

      Also what is a millionaire?.....
      There is some Truth to what you say. But I can tell you without ANY hesitation whatsoever that when I got my Degree it opened up way more doors than it would if I didnt. Thats just a fact, like it or hate it.

      Plus, like my dad always said that a College Degree is something that you can carry around the rest of your Life and no one can take away from you. Unlike your house, car, bank account etc.. !!

      That said I do think that a College degree can be overrated in many aspects. There are so many people who have become wildly successful without one.

      But to me its personal pride and I definitely will strive to encourage my children to be Educated with a formal College education.
      I know it may sound kind of unfair but when you meet people in a business atmosphere people just look at you a little differently when they realize you have worked hard to attain a College education and degree !!
      Thats just the reality of things !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      Not to be rude here, but everyone that has a degree is now trying to become a millionaire online.

      I call that opportunity cost and a total waste of money.....
      Totally disagree with that specific point. I got a lot out of college. Most of my business professors had real-world and experience that taught me a lot. You also have to keep in mind that people, such as myself, attended college for far more reasons than to make money. I was making money from a mail order business in high school and I knew early on in life I did not need college to make money. My family placed a lot of value on education. If I had to do it all over again, I would go again.

      It's only a total waste of money if you didn't learn anything in college and got nothing out of it. Now, I do agree with you that you don't need to go to college to become a millionaire. However, when I have children they are going to college, but I'm going to teach them to be entrepreneurs long before they get there.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    I have a degree in accounting and auditing, and finished my MBA a few years ago. Just some nice diplomas in a pretty frame hanging on the wall.

    Only useful when I wanted a 24/7 full time, stressing job.

    But I found IM and now I have my first $50 commission check in a bigger frame in the center of the room.
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    • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      I have a degree in accounting and auditing, and finished my MBA a few years ago. Just some nice diplomas in a pretty frame hanging on the wall.

      Only useful when I wanted a 24/7 full time, stressing job.

      But I found IM and now I have my first $50 commission check in a bigger frame in the center of the room.

      Hey Don't you just love the power of the internet?....

      I did the same thing as well.. Must be a south american thing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Well, that was three guesses!

    The point is that it really doesn't matter.

    People online don't really care.

    You're not being hired, for the most part, based on a degree.

    Not to sound cynical, but how can you even be sure all of the people here have told the truth about their education? (I'm not accusing anyone, just making a point).

    All the best,
    Michael

    p.s. As promised...I graduated high school, barely. I went through the entire ceremony and got a call from the principal the next day. He said I failed a required class and should not have graduated. I told him I already had the diploma, but he had the transcript. So, I had to go back the following week (when all of the seniors were gone) and do enough work to change the F. I ended up with a D- in that class. My four year grade point average was a whopping 1.032!
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Well, that was three guesses!

      The point is that it really doesn't matter.

      People online don't really care.

      You're not being hired, for the most part, based on a degree.

      Not to sound cynical, but how can you even be sure all of the people here have told the truth about their education? (I'm not accusing anyone, just making a point).

      All the best,
      Michael

      p.s. As promised...I graduated high school, barely. I went through the entire ceremony and got a call from the principal the next day. He said I failed a required class and should not have graduated. I told him I already had the diploma, but he had the transcript. So, I had to go back the following week (when all of the seniors were gone) and do enough work to change the F. I ended up with a D- in that class. My four year grade point average was a whopping 1.032!
      A lot in common. I was 51st in a class of 51.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      p.s. As promised...I graduated high school, barely.
      You're in good company Michael...assuming I'm good company. You are wise way beyond your grade level.

      Originally Posted by blalock61 View Post

      Even though I did graduate from college, those are my thoughts exactly. Especially the first paragraph.
      I found your signature amusing in a Churchillian kind of way. To save people from scrolling up, his signature contains, "A shirt I once had read: 'I may be fat, but your ugly, and I can diet.'"

      If I knew someone that wore a shirt like that I'd have one made up that reads, "You can diet, but I can have plastic surgery. It's faster and lasts longer." Then I'd be ready to change into that shirt the next time I saw them wearing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    Masters degree which I never used, but college and grad school were experiences worth more than I can describe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    No college degree, but I've written books used as the teaching text in colleges, tech schools, and high schools. That amuses me a little bit.

    School bored me to pieces. Forced to learn crap that had no discernible value, the politics of popularity and the elitism of instructors, the raging immaturity of my so-called peers, the agonizingly slow pace of education, opinion taught as fact by instructors more interested in indoctrinating students into their beliefs than in teaching students to think for themselves...sigh. I grew weary of it in high school and figured college would be more of the same, so I joined the Navy instead. Believe me, I got a pretty good education, albeit a different kind of education, from that experience.

    Because I didn't go the college route though, doesn't mean I stopped learning. I've been a student all my life. I take classes that interest me. I read 3-4 books a month that interest me and have a purpose other than entertainment. I even passed the preliminary Mensa test, but didn't follow up. I was only interested in how I'd score after receiving an encouraging score on an IQ test.

    A college degree is just a college degree. In many cases, if not most, it's the inherent character qualities that drove a person to finish a degree that is the biggest factor in achieving success in the business world.

    Anyway, the only reason I'm answering this is because most of the answers I saw were from people with degrees, which didn't surprise me. I want those without a degree to be encouraged that you, too, can have great success without a degree. However, if you're just finishing high school and are debating going to college or not, I would encourage you do it. Some doors will be closed to you without that piece of paper.

    Oh, I almost forgot...I'm also on the Marketing Board for Mid-state Technical College, a local tech school here. I've served on it for about 5 years now. Yes, I find that a bit amusing too.

    Edit: I think in some countries "college" is the equivalent of what we call "high school" in the US. Some of us may be talking apples to oranges.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      B.S. Marketing from the 'real UT' in K-town !!
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    • Profile picture of the author blalock61
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      School bored me to pieces. Forced to learn crap that had no discernible value, the politics of popularity and the elitism of instructors, the raging immaturity of my so-called peers, the agonizingly slow pace of education, opinion taught as fact by instructors more interested in indoctrinating students into their beliefs than in teaching students to think for themselves...sigh.

      A college degree is just a college degree. In many cases, if not most, it's the inherent character qualities that drove a person to finish a degree that is the biggest factor in achieving success in the business world.

      Anyway, the only reason I'm answering this is because most of the answers I saw were from people with degrees, which didn't surprise me. I want those without a degree to be encouraged that you, too, can have great success without a degree. However, if you're just finishing high school and are debating going to college or not, I would encourage you do it. Some doors will be closed to you without that piece of paper.
      Even though I did graduate from college, those are my thoughts exactly. Especially the first paragraph.
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  • Profile picture of the author blalock61
    BA: History/Economics. First in my family. My mom had an 8th grade education and got her GED the same year I graduated high school. She really wanted me to get one cause my older brother dropped out of school after bout 3 weeks. I played football for the first few years, but stopped because of injuries.

    I learned much more outside of the classroom than inside. Over half the crap classes you have to take are a waste of time. I thought a textbook was a Beer can or liquor bottle, the inside of a bar or a party was a classroom, and girls and bartenders were professors. Had some good times, I think.

    I was able to graduate though with only $1,500 in debt because I worked (didn't get or want a Pell Grant nor got any of that Sallie Mae/Stafford Loan BS to put me in a bunch of debt).

    I used my degree for a few years teaching/coaching but I hated the teaching part.
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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    still finishing my undergrad. I'm majoring in English.

    I am tempted somewhat by the idea of staying college another two years and do a masters. I know a graduate degree from a top college can open a ton of doors, so it does make sense from a business perspective (even if I end up learning nothing). I mean, if you go to Harvard Business School, that is all the connections you'll ever need in your life.

    For a long time, I was obsessed with succeeding at an early age and making it big before 30 (I'm still 20, so I have 10 more years to go), but lately, I've realized the importance of taking things slowly and having a good time. Getting a graduate degree just ties into this whole philosophy now.

    Let's see how things work out...
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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    I'm Electronics & communication engineering graduate, but can't go to master degree due to lack of funds(also can't leave the city due to some issues). So along with the full time job working on IM skills to build some biz.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
    I went to College(University)

    Whether or not I was "educated" is a different matter lol

    In all seriousness, though, I really think a college education is very over rated

    I say that because most ciricullum is theory and not real world app.

    I am willing to bet that you will find more money making ideas and education on this forum than they teach in most marketing classes in college(aka university)

    So I guess the take away message would be, don't just rely on the marketing classes or anything taught in higher education...continue using other venues to acquire knowledge that will propel you forward
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  • Profile picture of the author Kautii
    Yes- I have several degrees. I returned to university life at 45 years and completed my Ph.D. when I was 57. Learning the internet workings and the opportunities for helping others is astounding. I run my own clinical private practice four days a week, helping patients become more successful in life and overcome their mental blocks. Dr. Kathleen Fuller
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  • Profile picture of the author nuwav
    Hi all,

    I have a degree in information systems and multimedia. I learnt alot especially how to manage my time and organise my work..which helps alot in a working / business environment.
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  • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
    School drop out... I should have quitted way sooner
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    • Profile picture of the author NickArnold
      BSc(Hons) Degree in Computer Science here.

      I pretty much blagged my way through the degree, if i had ever learned to program properly i could be making all sorts of scripts with the ideas i have now. I only really excelled in web stuff and never cared about the other languages. You live and you learn. Fortunately the web side gave me a steady foundation for this industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      I graduated the 8th grade...They didn't give me a degree for that though, unfortunately.

      In the 9th grade, they kindly asked me to leave and never come back

      Honestly, I'm glad it happened.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I graduated the 8th grade...They didn't give me a degree for that though, unfortunately.

        In the 9th grade, they kindly asked me to leave and never come back

        Honestly, I'm glad it happened.

        And I wonder how many with degrees on here , if completely honest , would cut off their left n.... uhhhh .. pinky to do a 50/50 business with you ?

        Some would never admit it . Some might not even agree with a few of your tactics.

        I think very few would be so blind as to miss the fact that you see things in business that others never think about .

        I have all the kids I am going to have so give me a call if you are looking to "cut " a deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
      This has turned into quite a conversation. I didn't expect over 160 responses. Thanks.

      It's funny, I make time to do all my school work in all 5 classes. I study and take the tests and all that. Probably 12 hours a week or better.

      Maybe I should take another 12 hours a week and write articles. That's the only IM i do now and I make around $200-$400 a month.

      I refuse to use another method until I reach $1000 a month on article writing.

      Thanks for all your posts. They were helpful.

      Peace,

      Shane
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Bachelor of Art - major Graphic Design.
          Bachelor of Science - Major in Information Technology, Minor was business.

          Spending that much time to attain a degree gives you discipline when working towards a goal.
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          • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Bachelor of Art - major Graphic Design.
            Bachelor of Science - Major in Information Technology, Minor was business.

            Spending that much time to attain a degree gives you discipline when working towards a goal.
            You are very correct, but how do you feel about the $$$ you have invested plus the years of your life?

            (With some schools - Oxford for one - the rolodex you build or being a roommate with Al Gore can obviously turn into a fortune later in life)

            If a college student learned IM or something else of value in his/her spare time instead of partying, the waste of years wouldn't be so bad.

            Regards,
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by PCRoger View Post

              You are very correct, but how do you feel about the $$$ you have invested plus the years of your life?

              (With some schools - Oxford for one - the rolodex you build or being a roommate with Al Gore can obviously turn into a fortune later in life)

              If a college student learned IM or something else of value in his/her spare time instead of partying, the waste of years wouldn't be so bad.

              Regards,
              PCRoger.
              It was one of the best decisions that I have ever made. I use the skills I learned daily. Hardly what I would call a waste. Besides, college isn't just about partying.

              You learn many valuable tools that you wouldn't if you where working on your own.

              For example:

              Teamwork was invaluable. The team projects I had to work on allowed me to learn the dynamics of working with others. Even those that didn't pull their weight within the project. It helped me learn how to motivate other team members.

              For some reason people focus on one aspect of college. They miss out on the social interactions, the discipline needed to get their degree, the way you are taught to research and learn on your own and more...

              We are shaped by our experiences. If the only experience you had when going to college is sitting in a class and taking tests than you lost out on a lot. Luckily for me, I had a lot more to make my experience something that changed me forever.
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              • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                It was one of the best decisions that I have ever made. I use the skills I learned daily. Hardly what I would call a waste. Besides, college isn't just about partying.

                You learn many valuable tools that you wouldn't if you where working on your own.

                For example:

                Teamwork was invaluable. The team projects I had to work on allowed me to learn the dynamics of working with others. Even those that didn't pull their weight within the project. It helped me learn how to motivate other team members.

                For some reason people focus on one aspect of college. They miss out on the social interactions, the discipline needed to get their degree, the way you are taught to research and learn on your own and more...

                We are shaped by our experiences. If the only experience you had when going to college is sitting in a class and taking tests than you lost out on a lot. Luckily for me, I had a lot more to make my experience something that changed me forever.
                Sounds like you were not the typical student; at least from my area.

                When I was in College there were 2 groups:

                1) Party'ers with their college paid for by someone else - didn't appreciate the opportunity
                2) Those of us working our way through college right when the economy was headed into the toilet ('79 thru '82); when we weren't in school we were working to pay the bill. Made it through in 3 years by taking summer classes.

                Mindset was very different back then. Most thought you could get a degree, then get a job at John Deere or IBM and you had it made for life.

                Reality was much different for 99% of my class.

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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    Like Michael, Jeremy, and a few others here I dropped out of high school in the 10th grade. Bored mostly but some other things too.

    So those who think you need to go to college to earn big bucks - no you don't. You should never give 'they/them' that sort of power over you. If you want it - go do it. 'nuff said.

    However, college can be great as well, so don't let folks tell you college sucks either. I went back and got my GED years later and went to several small colleges. As hard as this may be to believe, I was able to cram 4 years of college into only 7, or 8 - well maybe 9 if you count Clemson - but who counts them? I met a lot of great folks at college and most importantly, met a great girl there and I asked her to marry me.

    alas, she said NO.

    She said I was a stubborn SOB and a few other bad words I don't remember. I personally like to think of my self as persistent when pursuing a goal.

    Having said that - we got married 2 years later and we're still happily married (or at least I am) 17 years later.

    I also met some bad teachers whom I've forgotten over the years - as others have said those elitists who think they're better than everyone else, but I met a lot of good profs too who taught me how to learn and think for myself. College is a great place to learn, make connections, and try things out with out many serious consequences.

    One great teacher taught me to think for myself and defend myself. He never let his bias invade his teaching - unlike those elitist profs above. To this day its hard for me to tell if he's conservative, liberal, libertarian or just a smart a$$ - he just instills in you the need to be able to rationally defend your position, whether he agrees with it or not. And 9/10 the sob probably agrees with you, he just wants you to be able to think and defend it yourself. Sort of like a Paul Myers except with a white Goatee.

    So, to make a short story long - I'm a 10th grade HS dropout with a BS in Computer Science.

    peace,
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  • Profile picture of the author TheHappy4
    I have a degree in Office Systems Technology and also in Industrial Electronics. Got my G.E.D. in 1999 and went to my community college.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The problem is that such a discussion cannot be resolved. As I see it, there are only the following possibilities...

    Went to college, and support it.
    Didn't go to college, and don't support it.

    Those two possibilites are imbued with the most bias. People like to prove themselves right, or, don't like to admit they could have made better choices. But we still have...

    Went to college, but don't support it.
    Didn't go to college, but support it.

    At first glance, those possibilities would suggest that there is less bias, but digging a bit deeper, they don't help us to reach a logical conclusion. Their support, or lack thereof, of a college education is based on different experience, but that's all it is.

    In my mind, I don't see any real value in the premise of the original post. There is value, to some extent, in the discussion that follows.

    Have most millionaires gone to college? Maybe. But not ALL of them have. There is certainly a large enough share of broke people who went to college, too. College and income is not a cut and dried case of cause and effect.

    Each person has to decide what's best for them. Going to college is not a sure ticket to wealth. Avoiding college is not a sure ticket to the poorhouse.

    To be fair...

    After going to my oldest's college orientation two years ago, I must admit, I found the idea of going back to school quite appealing. But I would go for enjoyment. I mean they have courses in linguistics, geology, archeology, religion, history of popular music, geography, sociology, psychology, and a bunch of other fun-sounding topics.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The problem is that such a discussion cannot be resolved. As I see it, there are only the following possibilities...

      Went to college, and support it.
      Didn't go to college, and don't support it.

      Those two possibilites are imbued with the most bias. People like to prove themselves right, or, don't like to admit they could have made better choices. But we still have...

      Went to college, but don't support it.
      Didn't go to college, but support it.

      At first glance, those possibilities would suggest that there is less bias, but digging a bit deeper, they don't help us to reach a logical conclusion. Their support, or lack thereof, of a college education is based on different experience, but that's all it is.

      In my mind, I don't see any real value in the premise of the original post. There is value, to some extent, in the discussion that follows.

      Have most millionaires gone to college? Maybe. But not ALL of them have. There is certainly a large enough share of broke people who went to college, too. College and income is not a cut and dried case of cause and effect.

      Each person has to decide what's best for them. Going to college is not a sure ticket to wealth. Avoiding college is not a sure ticket to the poorhouse.

      To be fair...

      After going to my oldest's college orientation two years ago, I must admit, I found the idea of going back to school quite appealing. But I would go for enjoyment. I mean they have courses in linguistics, geology, archeology, religion, history of popular music, geography, sociology, psychology, and a bunch of other fun-sounding topics.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Michael, you make good sense.

      I went to school for awhile, and loved it. Would do it some more given the chance, even at my age! But I don't think that it is the key to anyone's future, any more than all of the internet marketing info-products out there are.

      If someone wants to secure their future, they need to look within, and nowhere else. My mom is one of the smartest people I know, and she never went past the 9th grade, had 3 kids by the time she was 20, and got her GED when she was in her late 30's.

      On the other hand, sometimes I get really jealous of people with advanced degrees.. go figure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Srikanth D
        Bachelor in Electrical and Electronics Engineering..

        Working as a Software Engineer in a TOP IT firm

        Quitting soon to pursue a MBA in US

        A part time - IMer

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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I have a Psychology degree. Comes in handy when writing sales and squeeze pages.

    Not worth a lick otherwise. Wish I had the $50,000 back to invest in my IM business. The partying was fun, though. :rolleyes:

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author brettmwindmann
    hey,

    I finished college. I must say, while I did not learn anything about online marketing, I did learn solid information about how to run a business. I believe the two will go hand and hand very well. Not to mention, college, while stressful at times, was enjoyable.

    Got to room with friends and just enjoy the experience. Going for free because of my grades only helped.

    While I do not believe you NEED one to be successful, because many successful people have done it with out one, I think it is nice to have and something to possibly fall back on.

    just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdanger503
    I majored in Hotel Management, but during the final quarter of my senior year the University eliminated the program. For the 30 of us who were just 3 months away from graduation, the administration moved us to architecture...So now I have an architecture degree even though I know nothing about the subject. Not that it matters much, I've never once been asked by an employer to furnish a diploma.
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      I went college obtained MSc.

      Never gained a long lasting or meaning-ful job in the subject area. It was pretty much waste on time.

      Except helped to change beliefs...'Perhaps I am not useless after all!'
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    I think 80% of undergraduates end up working in a dead end crappy job.... hehe - I've got engineering and IT stuff going on...
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  • Profile picture of the author RWilt
    College educated... yes

    Degree... no

    2 yr certification in HVAC... out of that business now

    Apprenticed with a radio production guy... worked as a radio dj/ promotions director for 2 yrs, then they booted me out for the budget
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    Got a Bachelor's in Environmental Science - fascinating degree program, but not so great for finding jobs. Immediately out of college (with an honors degree earned in 3 years from a top university), all I could find was secretarial work, which forced me to figure out how to earn supplemental income. And that's how my successful business of 3 years was born

    If I had to choose again, I'm tempted to say I'd choose a business or marketing degree, but maybe then I would have been funneled off into some 60-hour a week job breaking my back to climb the corporate ladder.

    Overall, I think that educating yourself is always positive, but that that can take different forms for different people. College isn't an end-all, be-all, but it does have its advantages. I think most people will benefit from the experience in one way or another, although there's no reason you can't be successful without a degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
    I be edumacated!

    I did become a Mechanical Engineer, but now it's all Greek to me. However, I'd say that it's been useful. You may notice my engineering background coming through in the way I love to create systems.

    Was college a waste of time? Definitely not. Sitting out on the commons on a sunny day, with all the pretty girls in mini skirts, having fun, drinking at pub nights ....
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    • Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

      I be edumacated!

      I did become a Mechanical Engineer, but now it's all Greek to me. However, I'd say that it's been useful. You may notice my engineering background coming through in the way I love to create systems.

      Was college a waste of time? Definitely not. Sitting out on the commons on a sunny day, with all the pretty girls in mini skirts, having fun, drinking at pub nights ....
      I also have a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Wasn't so bad since understand Greek .

      It is not what I want to do with the rest of my life but man I would not give those years up for anything! Made alot of great friendships and met my wife and I will never forget being able to see the late Jim Valvano in action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
      Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

      I be edumacated!

      I did become a Mechanical Engineer, but now it's all Greek to me. However, I'd say that it's been useful. You may notice my engineering background coming through in the way I love to create systems.

      Was college a waste of time? Definitely not. Sitting out on the commons on a sunny day, with all the pretty girls in mini skirts, having fun, drinking at pub nights ....
      Kevin,
      You know what they say....."Just 4 short years ago, I could not even spell e-n-g-i-n-e-e-r. Now I are one."

      I, for one am glad you changed careers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
    One of my favorite quotes of all time is "Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune"
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I graduated high school in the top 4% of my class.

    Discovered liquor and wild women.

    Way too much liquor one night found me majoring in changing diapers instead of Physics .

    A divorce at 19 broke me from the liquor .

    A true lady replaced the wild women .

    Wouldn't trade it for any phd but many do say I have a degree in bs
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  • Profile picture of the author BeanCounter
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    I too am 32 years old with 2 kids. Graduated with a degree in Business Management, and decided 4 years of college was all I could take. I don't know how Doctors and Lawyers do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author estatemaster
      Recent college graduate.

      Unfortunately, I was pushed into school for three reasons: 1) parents said they had saved money to pay in full 2) I was told I could not take a year between high school and college without parents pulling all college funding 3) since the 6th grade, everyone told me college is necessary.

      Halfway through school, Mom changed her mind about paying in full, though not for anything I did or did not do. I couldn't see quitting halfway through, so now I get to pay off student loans, too.

      Mostly muddled my way through as I didn't know what I wanted to do, graduated with a Sociology degree (yeah, I know...), have a PT library job, and now I'm finally getting around to doing things I want to do.

      Knowing what I know now: No, it's not necessary. Yes, it can help in the hiring process. It may set you back years. Just do what you want to do, whatever that is.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
    I have an associates degree in accounting, but have taken a lot of other types of classes and courses through the years. I actually love education. I am one of those people who study and test well, and I am also very competitive :rolleyes: so I love besting people in class!

    (Should I not say that?)

    Teresa

    P. S. I do not have a high level degree, and yet my last job I was managing individuals with masters degrees in psychology and counseling. And did a damn good job of it.

    (Of course, then the company closed, and they got jobs and I didn't :confused
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  • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
    Originally Posted by Article-Excellence View Post

    Tjmiller you remind me of myself. I was competitive and liked to be the best at whatever academic endeavour I undertook. A friend of mine at Uni used to call me "the slayer" because Buffy the Vampire Slayer was all the rage back then (am I putting a date on myself here?)

    Since then I have found that there is more to life that marks in a test thankfully but I certainly don't regret those days.

    Yeah, I have settled down a bit with that too. Funny though, back in the 80's when I was in AF Tech School, I was in the running for honor grad of the class, and got a severe case of bronchitis. The doctors wanted to put me in the hospital but I wouldn't go, because I knew I would lose the race!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I am the class of 2010 senior and will be a 2011 freshman (yeah man!)

    Can't believe I have grown up LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    I'm almost halfway through a bachelors in marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandy Cormack
    BSEE from Virginia Tech.
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  • Profile picture of the author superassassin
    You are the average of your 5 closest friends.

    In my circle of friends, the ones that have college educations make astonishingly less than those without. And the ones with the least amount of formal education are making the most money, and what's impressive to me is they are first generation self made multi-millionaires. My friends with college educations are lucky to hover above $60k annually...

    I'm not against college education by any means, but I'm certainly not going to jump out of my way to encourage anyone to go. I guess I have been brainwashed with the belief that all a college education does is groom you to become the best employee in the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Obilex
      4 year degree in both computer and studio art, coloring basically. Kinda pissed I spent all that money on something I now know that I could have taught myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author HayleyWriter
    I'm 34 years old and I have a degree in Communication, plus several "certificate level" courses. I'm currently looking into studying a diploma in training (I have a cert IV). I'm just starting a small business for freelance writing and offering training courses in writing. I figured I may as well combine my two interests of writing and training. I think whether you have a college (or university) degree or not, the smart people who become successful in life are always open to learning new things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    Currently doing a degree in Economics in Business Administration..

    I actually just go to college to experience what is it feels like to go to college. and to have fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Master's in Information Technology Management and a Bachelor's in Finance. Both have come in very handy throughout my life and I've been very pleased with my ROI from the cost associated with obtaining the degrees.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Yes ....

    Masters degree in education (send your WSO's for evaluation, to see if they are written properly
    plus extra credentials in ESL and in ART.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    BA WSU 1989 - GO COUGS!!
    It's not the education, it's your network, the social education, and the "learning how to learn" that makes college the valuable for many people. Obviously that does not hold true for technically oriented careers, such as physicians and engineers.
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  • Profile picture of the author breadtoaster
    Yes, me too! I studied in Marketing!

    But to be the real real fact, you don't really need to be a college or uni graduands to be big bucks on IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author shermancox
    Way more than I need...Got a Bachelor and a Masters in Computer Sci and a Master of Divinity in Homiletics. Helps me with content...but the main work on the internet is marketing so I am trying to come up to speed in that...
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      • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        and of course education itself is what remains when all the stuff you actually learned has been forgotten.
        Just saw that after I posted.. excellent quote Alexa, if it is one. Or if you just made it up, nicely done!
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      • Profile picture of the author Why9999
        M.S.E.E. All the science education has paid off - not necessarily the E.E. part of it - in my niche, where I am operating as a dang-near-authority...

        They make you suffer in college and some of it was even worth it.
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  • I have a degree in business. Two facts, at least for my own case:

    1) Nothing I learned has ever been useful on my online business career. Too much outdated theory, too little real-world application.

    2) I make more money than all my college pals who followed the corporate route, plus I don't have to deal with the daily corporate politics B.S. my pals so often complain about. And, on top of that, I get to work in my underwear!

    Conclusion: if I could go back in time, I'd spare myself with those 5 years of university and I would have gotten into IM way earlier!

    I honestly believe that university degrees are SO over rated: in today's dynamic world, your success is determined by your will and your brains, not by a stamped piece of paper no matter how official and glamorous that paper is.
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  • Profile picture of the author tweetzon
    without a degree , does that mean that you wont succeed? thats the question i been wondering around .
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Millionaire Mind is one of my favorite business/success books. IMHO, it's far better than the more famous precedessor "The Millionaire Next Door".

      I have a Bachelor of Science in Health Sciences from Lock Haven University and an Associate Degree in Physical Therapist Assistant from Harcum College.

      I also ran track (400 meters) at Lock Haven during my first two years there. Track was a 3-4 hour of training per day, on top of a full-time course work... trained me for the future 16+ hour work days that I've done for years.

      Both degrees were helpful in my previous offline businesses. It's also helped me with writing sales copy for health-related products because I'm already familiar with a lot of the medical and health lingo.

      Getting the degrees taught me things like managing multiple projects and priorities at once, goal setting (and accomplishment), and more.

      Just as important, I met one of my best friends at Lock Haven and he introduced me to my wife about 8 years ago.

      None of that would have happened if I didn't go to college.

      Take care,

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin.Zimmerman
    I do not have a degree but I have taken plenty
    of college courses and have partaken in lot of
    seminar training/certifications.

    Great way to open the mind to new ideas but
    not always necessary.
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  • Profile picture of the author mariochase
    I'm Bachelor in Advertising and Publicity.

    But to tell you the truth, I've learned way more things outside of college
    than in classes. I only had a general idea of marketing on school. And that
    is definetly the most important thing of business and advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
    College degree - biology-chem, Plus many graduate hours.

    Best time of my life and I'm convinced that college is important for several reasons, but not convinced that it has that much to do with making a success at IM. Drive, dedication, and following through with projects is what makes people successful online.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichLife
      Bachelors in finance with a minor in economics.

      While I don't use much of what I learned in college in my everyday life, there is one thing that's irreplaceable. In college, I learned how to learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Chemistry/Mathematics MSU.

    The world is run by "C" students.
    --Al McGuire

    American education is to education what the Soviet economy is to economy.

    --Chester Finn

    Blow up the current educational system. The system doesn't work. No more tinkering about the margins. We need to create fundamentally new learning environments... traditional approaches simply won't work anymore.
    --Louis Gerstner, Former CEO, RJR Nabisco & IBM

    The willingness to endure four years in a typical school of education often constitutes an effective negative intelligence test."
    --John Silber

    Why did I leave education? I didn't, it left me.
    --Mike McMillan

    As a former teacher for 14 years, I recall hearing someone say years ago that the the best attributes a student can have to do well in public school are the ability to 1. sit down, 2. shut up, and 3. do what you're told.

    Unfortunately, there might be something to that. The problem being that those are not at all the attributes that go into becoming an entrepreneur and succeeding on one's own.

    Some personal notes for those who don't have a college education: Don't ever be intimidated by someone just because they have a degree. Colleges of education which train teachers are among the very worst curricula in the world, and are taught by many of the worst teachers in the world.

    In five years of college I never once had a professor who made me think. I had many who told me what to think, but not one who made gave me a reason to think.

    In closing, I'll paraphrase a line from Good Will Hunting.

    That expensive Ivy League education you got here... I hate to tell you, but you could have got the same damn thing for about $2.00 in studying and late fees at your public library!

    Does that line make you laugh? I don't have a smile on my face. My personal feeling is that the average 4-year college education could easily be distilled down to a 6-week intensive training program and offered for a cost of no more than $500.

    --Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
    I have a degree in Business. Never really used it. Some of the info was FLAT OUT WRONG!

    1. Debits = Credits (in Accounting. Real world - we use "plugs" all the time)
    2. Efficient Market Hypothesis (That's why the DOW is up 150 one day, down 150 the next)
    3. Tax - we had to memorize the form (Real world: They GIVE YOU THE BLEEPIN' FORM!!!)

    Do they teach you to SELL in college?

    A good salesperson will be the LAST person to go hungry.

    I think _most_ time & money in college is a waste. (Brain surgeons do please go to medical school before working on me, yes; Engineers, please learn how before building that bridge I drive over)

    FOR SALE: Bachelor's Degree (cheap)

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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Trying to finish my doctorate in instructional technology.

    CT
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Stratemeyer
    Well, I have both an undergraduate degree and a doctorate in law. I can't say it is the degree(s) so much as what one does with them.

    Many years in the courtroom and getting feedback from jurors taught me how to write "copy" by being able to speak to people "where they are at", and speaking to the subsconscious mind.

    The background did make it easier to create niches. For example, being a lawyer gave me a natural niche with FTC regs, copyright, and other laws relating to Internet. I don't have to say, "I'm not a lawyer, but here's what I think...", because, well, I am a lawyer.

    That said, I still had to do the work to learn the Internet back when I started in 2002. The degrees did nothing there.

    -Doug
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  • Profile picture of the author knowwow
    I have been watching the TED conference videos for the last couple of hours and I thought this is somewhat related to the discussion. It is a very fun talk and some good points are made.


    Do watch other TED videos as well -Seth Godin's for instance- while you are there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
      I have an honors degree in veterinary science, great course, loads of fun,and it's served me well since I graduated.

      Originally Posted by knowwow View Post

      I have been watching the TED conference videos for the last couple of hours and I thought this is somewhat related to the discussion. It is a very fun talk and some good points are made.
      Ken Robinson is great, I've just finished his book about finding your passion. Well worth a read.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hightower
    Hi Warriors, I have a BS in Psychology from University of North Texas -1976. I think for a man with a young family an education is a good backup plan. For success in IM I think all you need is an average IQ and a lot of determination, drive and desire to make money. Bill Gates didn't finish college (am I right?) and when I grew up I knew a man who made 30 million 30 years ago after dropping out of SMU.

    Kirahster, did you read the thread on natural cancer cures in the off topic forum?
    Good luck -- there is a lot of ignorance going around the convention health field.
    All the Best,
    Hightower
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  • Ive got a degree, and I think it was totally worth it, even if I never use the "core science" knowledge. A 4 year degree teaches much more than science or theory.
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  • Profile picture of the author costos gohdohb
    I've graduated from the university

    But I believe that to a large extent IT WAS A WASTE OF MY LIFE !
    I don't absolutely need it for my real life!
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  • Profile picture of the author BiancaRaven
    Yep - Bachelor's Degree in Economics and Finance. And I gave up the career in investment banking to earn more as a full time writer instead
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    I have a finance degree. And as an unadvertised bonus I met my beautiful wife and most of my closest friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Hmmm, Went to college a couple years, then dropped out. Then enrolled in a second college specializing in Computer Programming, very small private college which has now disappeared from the face of the world. I did graduate from it. Actually had the fun of teaching one of the classes for 3 weeks while the instructor was out for surgery.

    Then I continued my education with numerous certification courses in the IT World.

    So, what did it all gain me? A career for 20 years which was decent, but not enriching either financially, or personally. I met many, many great people, but still left a hole in the most important area, personal satisfaction.

    I am on the right track now. I may not be getting rich, yet. But, I am working with great people, learning great skills, and loving where I live.

    Will I ever be a millionaire? I'll let you know in a couple years.
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  • Profile picture of the author basefunding
    I have a AA, BA, BS and MS all science and health related- I have 3 pHD's working for me. That said, I never hire based on education level. It comes down to performance.

    Most of what I use and do is from education outside of my formal schooling.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    I do miss college, I dropped out the first year but everything happens for a reason.
    I will probably be a billionaire looking back on how wise it was for me to drop out of college!
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    I have some college but have graduated from the "School of Hard Knocks" Lol!
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    graduated b.s. computer science
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  • Profile picture of the author richporr
    PhD Has served me well as higher ed requires the degree. I've made reasonably good money in my field but the transfer from the degree work and the subsequent professon have been:

    - persistance in IM very similar to that needed to complete a doctorate, to include the dissertation
    - my profession of training teachers has prepared me well to format information in ways that are clear and also appealing
    - my role as department chair for many years has prepared me well to expect relationship challenges and how to preclude or solve them (most of the time)

    Plus, many earlier jobs and businesses I started carry over.

    Got a bit going now and will be able to turn all of my attention to IM in May when I retire.

    -Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author bdegrossa
    Bachelor's in Comp Sci, Masters in Psych. Should be great combo for this but it took me a long time to quit overthinking things and just take action

    B..
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Remember the story of the two farmers...

      Zeke: Hey, Abner, how's that boy of yours doing? Seems he's been away at college for a long time now...

      Abner: Yeah, Zeke, I don't know if that boy is ever gong to finish school. First, he had to to get a BS degree.

      Zeke: And we both know what that stands for, right, Abner?

      Abner: Yup. He finished that, and then he had to get hisself a MS degree, which I figured out stand for 'More of the Same'. Now he's working on a P-H-D...

      Zeke: What the heck is that?

      Abner: Close as I can figure, it means Piled Higher and Deeper...

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  • Did 3 years at college doing IT Support, and was going for a CISCO course but went to UNI and did a 1 year of Games developer course and 3 years of Marketing and Advertisement Communications.

    Jay.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
    great topic! I paid a lot of $$ for my [insert word of choice] degree.

    I learned more in 6 months of work than my degree. I have a Bachelor of Commerce, with a specialty in marketing. I own my own marketing agency. We provide IM to small businesses. School taught me how to out drink Americans.

    OK OK, there is some value to university. but it's not book smarts, imo. I definitly learned the skill of learning how to learn and that is extremely valuable.
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by scottgallagher View Post


      OK OK, there is some value to university. but it's not book smarts, imo. I definitly learned the skill of learning how to learn and that is extremely valuable.
      Ok ok, I agree you do learn how to learn.

      I also found out that there are a lot of people that that have no problem getting A's on test but once in the real world can't fight themselves out of a wet paper bag and fail miserably when it comes to street smarts.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnoryan
    have a degree in Engineering. Never used it though. Too busy making money online :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author RebeccaL
    I got a diploma in web development about 5 years ago. I didn't need it, and have never really used the stuff I learned (asp.net). But it was just something to do for me at the time as I didn't know what I wanted to do in life. It was whilst doing that course that I learned about online marketing and well, the rest is history
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    I left college within one years time and didn;t get my degree.

    Guest what.....Don't Want One.

    Unless it is a degree an Internet Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author melvinm
    I did an MBA in mraketing an operations... but don't think it has been much of help in terms of IM ( part time) but in my professional life... hell ya... it has made a difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmoney84
    I have a BSBA degree in Finance.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    I have a masters degree in Mechanical Engineering. Do I want to work for "The Man" - No Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeffMitchell
      I will be soon...Just about to hit my Associates with IM....2 years. Enough education for me. I could more than likely teach the commmunity college how to do real world online marketing.


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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    I have a BSc degree with a triple major in Environmental Science, Marine Science and Mathematics with Statistics, with minors in Chemistry and Psychology, but I love doing this more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketguy
    I have a Masters in Business Management. I graduated late 2009 and my former employer is paying me $10,000 award since I graduated while still being employed there. They also paid for the entire education as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    My degrees have nothing to do with marketing per se, but then again everything to do with it depending on peoples' perceptions. I have a BLA and a Master's in Divinity and Sprituality, and a dual degree in Counseling. And yes, I apply my marketing experience within ministry too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pat Blank
    This is an interesting thread.

    I have a B.Mus. and a Master's in Music, from a very prestigious conservatory. I had a fantastic time and met a lot of amazing people and learned a lot - I love music. I was also performing a lot. I worked my way through music school by performing, which tells you how old I am, because they don't allow that any more. My college music training was for the working the music establishment, my music gigs were for making it in the real world.

    Then I got a BS and MS in CS, because I was working as a programmer and the company I worked for was bought by a large corp who required their code monkeys to have degrees. The BS was a legitimate online degree that required no actual classes for me because I already had the non-CS required courses, and my certificates converted to the rest of the classes. The MS was from a local college and was really great fun, I often knew more than the prof's but I learned to translate that into academic-ese.

    I also have loads of different sales training courses. Way more useful for biz than any of my other classwork. What's the best sales training you've had? That could be another thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lutz80
    I for one am , I have a Bachelors degree In Business Mgmt, and a Bachelors in Marketing as well as a associates in Finance. I just figured the longer I stayed in college the more parties I could attend without having to get a real job.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    I have a B.S. in Psychology with a minor in statistics. Was it helpful for IM? I would say yes, because my psychology degree has helped me formulate my sales pitch from a more scientific perspective.

    I certainly do not think that a college education is necessary for success, but it was a great experience for me. There is no way that I could have started my own business coming right out of high school. I am now 22, a recent college grad, and have started my own successful business. (actually started about 18 months ago)

    I also met two of my best friends in college, as well as many other great people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emersion
    I went to college with a major in Math. Then I graduated and realized I didn't like math anymore and here i am! A very successful self-employed computer nerd.
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  • Profile picture of the author DamianK
    I'm 3 college educated. Dropped out of New York Inst. of Tech. for computer graphics 12 years ago. Then went to a local community college for.....well for I guess just for going to college. A few years later I complete at the New York Film Academy for Acting. It was a LOT of fun but the fun is was bounced me right out of THAT career.

    Leaving you with 3 colleges and no college education. Greeeeat.

    I hear Thomas Edison failed a recorded 10,000 + times while making the light bulb. If that's the case I should be inventing a new lightbulb by Thursday. *rolls eyes*
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Yes. Somehow I made it through. It was the best time of my life.

    After college I went to McDonald's Hamburger U. and learned much more in two weeks than I learned in four years of formal education.

    But still, get the degree if you can. It makes you feel good.
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Everything I know I learned at Google U. Didn't know how to post a Youtube video here so I googled it. Someone posted on the forum and said just paste in the URL of the Youtube page. Let's see if it works. Well, you need to click "Go Advanced" and then make sure that the 'Automatically Embed Media') is Ticked ON.

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  • Profile picture of the author skorpion
    Got a degree in Architectural Design.

    College taught me nothing but how to work for the man.

    College SHOULD teach people how to make some money with their skills...not quizzing them on world history or algebra and other BS.

    Waste of damn money in my opinion lol
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    • Originally Posted by skorpion View Post

      Got a degree in Architectural Design.

      College taught me nothing but how to work for the man.

      College SHOULD teach people how to make some money with their skills...not quizzing them on world history or algebra and other BS.

      Waste of damn money in my opinion lol
      I agree with that line there. College doesnt teach you to become successful, innovative, skillful or even smart entrepreneur. Instead, college teaches you to be a successful corporate soldier.

      Spending 5 years in University to become a white collar Lemming? Sod that, I say!
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  • Profile picture of the author James12C
    'Fraid so - Oxford, and an MBA..... (I think a degree has about 8 years earning power....)
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  • Profile picture of the author Minte
    I have a master's degree
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  • Profile picture of the author MayaLocke
    Does the college of life count?
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    No education here, I got a ton of I.T based certifications with companies like Cisco that would apply for college credit. After I looked at all the wealthy people locally and globally, I realized the thing they all had in common was most of them did not have a formal college education.
    It is good to have for building a skill or trade. Personally, there are some IM courses that would blog some college courses away.

    Good luck! Keep driving to success bro!
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    • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
      Originally Posted by Shane Hale View Post

      No education here, I got a ton of I.T based certifications with companies like Cisco that would apply for college credit. After I looked at all the wealthy people locally and globally, I realized the thing they all had in common was most of them did not have a formal college education.
      It is good to have for building a skill or trade. Personally, there are some IM courses that would blog some college courses away.

      Good luck! Keep driving to success bro!
      Yeah, IT is a great career path if you like salary caps, long hours, no appreciation and being treated as an "expense we would get rid of if we could".

      Not to mention industry ups and downs - almost like construction!

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  • Profile picture of the author JulioGarabot
    I have a Marketing degree, now trying out IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I'm afraid so!:p

      Sorry to disappoint!

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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    Degree in BA (Hons) Marketing.

    Loved every minute of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
    I have a degree in dental surgery, then moved on to pursue MBA, Worked in health Care domains as project manager, an year in health IT --- now run a small company of my own.

    But sometimes I feel funny about myself --- because I really want to get on to documentary film making. My goals are changing --- probably that's what I,m

    When my friends call me 'misguided missile' -- I feel they are right
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    Bachelors with Double Major in Management and Marketing. I doubt I would be where I am today with out that degree. However, the only thing college really taught me was how to study, research and work hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author costos gohdohb
      Yes, I have high school degree.

      BUT
      Education is simply business. - Business & nothing else. (Does education guarantee a great & happy life? - Of course, not.Never)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffrey Arthur
    I have an Engineering Degree, and various accreditations, which i think have helped me by being able to break down the various aspects of IM and then create systems for each piece. This really helps in automating most of the 'work', thus freeing up time to create more systems.

    However, having been an entrepreneur before getting into IM, is probably the biggest asset, by being able to have already created the mindset and extreme motivation required to pass many of the hurdles in becoming financially free online.

    With the flexibility of IM im actually going back to school again, this time to get my Doctorate, but thats a personal choice, and not for business.

    I actually dont think having a college degree has any correlation to that of being a millionaire, college and the education system is really only there to create employees not entrepreneurs.

    If you want to truly be successful you need to learn in the real world and not just theory taught in the classroom.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cardsearch
    Bates College, Lewiston,ME (English major)
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  • Profile picture of the author samson132
    How can i make money too online please help me
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  • Profile picture of the author samuraiwriting
    Yes I have a BA in Communications (Multimedia). THinking about going for a Masters. Really though it isn't the education that gets you to be a millionaire. It is how you go about selling yourself and putting yourself out there. Let go and go out there into your field whether IM or something else. Just go and do it and what you put out, you get back 10 fold. Hopefully that comes in the form of $$$ millions
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  • Profile picture of the author Raygun
    I have my MBA with an emphasis on Marketing and Advertising. I am actually going back and reading some of my text books that have collected dust
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    • Profile picture of the author crolsen89
      Going for a double major in Commercial Aviation and Flight Education
      So much fun. My classroom can be either on the ground or up at around 3,000 feet above it. IM helps a LOT to defray the flight costs.
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    • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
      I have a BALS in Lighting Design and an MFA in Scene Design.

      I tell people that I have two degrees in creative problem solving. ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author jwellsy
    I successfully completed an Engineering Bachelor of Science degree using the 25 year graduation plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    Yes. 2 degrees in music, and I have applied that to making money on the internet, but marketing was all self taught by reading books. I think college educated people have better communication and overall skills in discipline. Getting a college degree does take some dedication to see the job through.
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    College educated, but not a happy ending to this one. I got an art degree and things went downhill from there. This is going to seem embarrassing, but I've failed repeatedly to hold a job. My artwork is, well, fair to middling as they say but I also have something wrong with me...Probably psychologically and nothing has ever been able to snap me out of it. I lack motivation and just can't get myself to work harder. Even when money is waved over my head. It's really freaky but money has never been able to motivate me at all...Yeah, I'm from planet earth in case you were wondering XD I'm hoping I can pick up tips here to change that.
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  • Profile picture of the author birdfood
    All I can say is ditch the marketing degree before you waste too much time.

    College education in general is not relvant to making money with IM or in most other areas. The very few really useful skills you can gain from college are accounting and several others.
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  • Profile picture of the author vzerbee
    Went to a business school.. lived in a dorm close by while attending.

    Interesting informal survey you are doing, although it should not hold you back from anything. There are millionaires without a high school degree. You make the difference, not a degree.
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    • Profile picture of the author tom4business
      I hold an engineering degree in Computer Science. Working as an SAP Netweaver Solutions consultant.

      Now just about to finish my MBA in Marketing and HR.

      But, guess what? Am gonna quit my career in 2011. And, am gonna go back home

      Don't ask me why I do this MBA then. It just happened
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  • Profile picture of the author bozz723
    I have a marketing degree. Started IM back in college and haven't looked back. I payed for the "experience" of college and nothing more. Wouldn't trade that time for anything though.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackBas
    Engineering here. I agree with paying for the experience. People say I wasted 4 years but I wouldnt have it any other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author HungryFish
      I have a BS in Telecommunications Management and a Masters in Business. Neither degree has created tremendous success in my life. I am looking forward to becoming an IM expert. I realize I have plenty to learn and it will be hard work but I have never ran from a challenge.

      Thank you all for your posts and comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author mamoeddy
    I graduated in 1985 with a degree in Business Administration majoring in marketing. However, I didn't really do anything with this education. I got a job in a saw mill and worked there until a couple of years ago. Now I want to try to redeem myself and try to do something useful with internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
    I have a CS Degree, but I have found that due to the transitional nature of technology, most of my knowledge was outdated by the time I received it in school. Plus I was already in the industry before I started school.

    Most of the value coming from college for me was networking. I'm still in touch with many of my classmates, and I've gotten them into companies, and they've done the same for me, and we've built a nice network since that. That's worth the tuition alone!
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  • Profile picture of the author dbadwal
    Hey this guru is University educated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    A formal education will earn you a good living... Self education will earn you a fortune... Jim Rhone
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    • Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      A formal education will earn you a good living... Self education will earn you a fortune... Jim Rhone
      Robert, I have to say I must agree. I have a BS in Journalism, with dual concentrations in International Politics and American Foreign Policy. The degree got me great experience in the Media, but I must say my husband who does not have a college degree is a self taught Internet guru, and can carry a conversation about history with anyone with a MASTERS in the subject. So, I have learned a lot from him. Especially now that I lost my job, thanks to the economy, and I started writing freelance to make ends meet.
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  • Profile picture of the author purplecone
    Interesting. I will have to get the book and read it.

    I have a BS in Computer Information Systems, a MS in Computer Information Systems, a MS in Education (Instructional Design for Online Learning), and am two classes away from dissertation work for a PhD in Education.

    My goal is to develop an online career teaching others, both in the IM world and other areas, such as homeschool courses for homeschool students.

    I don't think the education is necessary to succeed here, either, but I will say that it does help having some training and education background. It makes it a bit easier to work through the learning curve in IM.

    Linda
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  • Profile picture of the author AFD
    I'm college graduate with a degree of education and a professional teacher's license... but look what I am doing... I started IM right after I passed the licensure exam..
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    I will be graduating in 57 days, not that I'm counting or anything
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  • Profile picture of the author brownotis
    I had to get a bachelor's in order to teach high school and to move into administration. These are required for certificates in both areas. They certainly help with salary.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3nikki
    Bachelor's in Engineering, Masters in Business Administration, Masters in Computer Science.

    Does it help with IM?
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    I have an MBA degree in Business. I'm not a millionaire yet, but hope to be, some day.
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    • Profile picture of the author smak
      Graduated with BA(Hons) Accountancy and Finance Studies with 2:1

      I tell u what studying that subject was more interesting than actually doing it in practice

      That was back in 1994 and internet was at its infancy stage in UK.

      Actually its quiet funny that credit for myself getting into IM goes to my accountancy career. Thats because during one of those boring company audit days, I happened to click one adsense ad that was for RichJerk product whilst surfing aimlessly. Ever since then I have been hooked into IM profession.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjackson13
        I have an MBA, in Management which serves me well in my day job. However, there are a lot of skills that are necessary to be successful online that they just don't teach in an MBA program.
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  • Profile picture of the author RossVegas
    still in the progress of getting a degree at Penn State, in marketing of course!
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  • Profile picture of the author George185
    I'm definitely not a guru, but I have a degree in business statistics.
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  • Profile picture of the author raylm123
    I've got two bachelor's degrees and a boatload of graduate courses under my belt. None of it was in marketing, but there are no regrets here. The advanced level mathematics, in particluar, really helped sharpen my analytical skills.

    Getting a degree is like anything else in life -- you can skate by and just get the piece of paper, or you can really push yourself and add to your education.
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  • Profile picture of the author sundopt
    I graduated in 2008,work as a seoer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Richardson
    I have a bachelor's and masters in music, and I'm a band director.
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  • Profile picture of the author sate solution
    One year ago finished my First degree....Next year going to do M.B.A
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  • Profile picture of the author Melodican
    Graduated with a Bachelor Of Arts (specialist) Degree 3 years ago.

    I've used NONE of the info I got from it in business and yet run numerous successful companies.

    Richard Branson is dyslexic and left school at the minimum age

    Henry Ford had a minute amount of formal education

    A piece of paper doesn't make you successful.... Your MIND makes you successful... Ask Napoleon Hill !
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  • Profile picture of the author iseethecode
    Undergrad Accounting and MBA emphasis Finance...
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  • Profile picture of the author chooch
    Degree in Economics. A long time back.
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  • Profile picture of the author blue_Tiger
    Degree in Chemistry ..

    and then:

    Masters degree in CDL class A , University of Covenant, Chattanooga,TN ....LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    I'm in my freshman year of university right now, taking advantage of the four years before I have to live on my own and trying to use online pursuits to pay for my education.

    I'm probably majoring in English and minoring in Japanese Studies, but that could change again.
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    • Profile picture of the author pink sapphire
      Art history BA here, & five years work towards a PhD (almost but not quite finished, and probably destined to stay that way, on account of me totally losing interest in the subject ). Spending so long in higher education has definitely had a negative effect on my current income & net worth, but I don't regret going to university. It was an enjoyable experience and I met some amazing people. Although if I could go back in time and do it over again, I'd probably do a computer science degree and give the postgrad work a miss.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Abeyratne
    I'm mid way through a law degree, not something i plan to pursue but it does help somewhat to know when other lawyers are just trying to BS you.

    In australia the government helps us out with interest free loans for college (university) so its kind of the done thing.

    At the moment I feel that it hinders me from IM success more than assists me, but it could be the nature of my study. Lawyers are thought to think very much inside the box!
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    I got a college/university degree but in practice, it's pretty much useless. The only thing that I believe made it worthwile was putting myself to the test, whether I could buckle down and cram for a few weeks solid and pass exams. I did so it's uiet a good feeling having a degree, but does it help? Well, not really ... but it certainly opens more doors than not having one.

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    • Profile picture of the author Blanket
      CIS degree here. I did not learn a single thing about internet marketing.

      Like most things, the important stuff I taught myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    yes, you don't need a college education to be good at IM or any other discipline.

    BUT, formal education is very valuable in its own right. That's what I tell people who laugh at me for getting an education and going into IM. My education taught me things like sacrifice, dedication, discipline, goal setting, etc. It taught me fundamantal principles.

    So formal education is very valuable but not essential!

    my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    To make money with Internet marketing, you do not always need an education...

    To make best use of that money you earn, make sense of your accounting costs, taxes, expansion plans, cross country complications YOU DO NEED EDUCATION... either the education of experience or formal education.

    Why is it so many sports stars and singers lose all their fortunes? Bad education on how to handle their money.

    Internet markering is about creativity, speed and of course luck... so anyone can make money if things fall in the right place, but what happens after is due to education.

    I wouldn't swap my 15 years of entrepreneurial experience or my formal business degree and MBA for anything... it has added so much to my business and it's helped me spot bulls%^t from a mile away, and that is invaluable to my business...
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    I graduated for graphic design as well.Remember guys, education comes FIRST.
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  • Profile picture of the author kmalger1
    Dropped out college. Self educated. Constantly learning and improving skills.
    All my children completed college, 2 with MA.

    Not sure it would have made a difference for me. Except maybe honing my writing abilities.
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  • Profile picture of the author robrave
    I'm college graduated.

    Electronics and Communications Engineer.
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  • Profile picture of the author pks1967
    I took one year of college but didn't like it. I think all of my friends and wife who went to college were more than a little surprised when I quite my job and started my online business. Internet marketing is something everyone can learn if they work at it hard enough.

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author larryburr
    I have an MS in Mechanical Engineering. I have always done some type of business on the side as I like Marketing and wanted to do it when I retired. College is not required if you have a way to make money (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.). However, there are benefits with a college degree that help you in life. You learn discipline, communication skills, perserverence, and how to think under pressure.

    The most important thing is to do what you really enjoy and have a passion for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author statelizard
          $60,000 later I had a B.S. in Behavioral Psychology and a B.A. in English. All of which landed me a job working for a pharmaceutical company, becoming the most miserable person that I knew. I thank God everyday that I don't work there anymore. It's exceptionally frustrating catching huge errors in a study design at the last minute, when the person making 4-5X's what I was, or any of the other 20 people that it had to go through to get approved, missed them through the entire process.

          The money was good, but working for someone else there is always a ceiling on what you can earn. Working for yourself gives you the ability to blow that ceiling off, unfortunately, it also removes the floor from underneath you sometimes too.
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  • Profile picture of the author TroyM
    Feel pretty old.. got my degree in 93..master in 97........
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Newman
    I got a Bachelors of Science degree in Accounting almost 2 decades ago.Found keeping records while others make money boring and risky.Switched to marketing six years ago.I think higher education helps in the sense of helping with analytical skills and having tons of self-confidence.No regrets.I was exposed to History,Philosophy and other interesting disciplines.
    Alaba
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  • Profile picture of the author makezsense
    I have a BS in Marketing with a minor in GIS focused on business geography
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  • Profile picture of the author Valiant
    I plan on getting a degree in marketing in 2 years when I go to college.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    I am college educated. It's done nothing for me in helping me make money online, of course. But in the "real" world, it did help me get a job or two after university. But they were jobs I despised. Then, some of the jobs I've worked in after university barely required high school education.

    I see some internet marketers that are young and successful and made lots of money (Kris Manieri for one) in IM and are not very educated and I wish I could have had the money they have by the time I graduated from college! Would have made things a lot better for me the last 5 years.

    But anyway, money isn't everything. I still think getting a college education is valuable and desirable for anyone. University/college educatin is good; at least the well rounded, liberal arts type. For example, some have theorized if all those guys on Wall Street who helped tank the economy if more of them had had more humanities education, they would have been able to avoid some decisions if they knew more about history as history does repeat itself sometimes (I think there's something to that but I still think it would have happened because of greed). It's all about life perspective and looking at the world with wise eyes. I think everyone should at least take some history classes of a college level, and some math classes and some literature classes, etc. Some can do it on their own but that's the rare person. Education gives us more understanding of our world and often leads to greater appreciation for many things in our lives and this world, including being more respectful of other cultures and religions, as we know more about them.

    So yes, for internet marketing, not really necessary. But to be a more well-rounded and wise individual, for most of us, a college education should be greatly desired.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    I'm a Ramblin Wreck from Georgia Tech and a Helluva Engineer!
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    • Profile picture of the author onuel
      Electronics Engineer and not part of that 80% statistic. Yet!
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      • Profile picture of the author lhhe
        I have a degree in Software Engineering, and my Masters in Quantum computing. I only chose to stay employed in academia/research for a year after my graduation before I decided to quit that route and work in SEO. Then I realised the potential for affiliate-based IM as income, rather than providing SEO as a client service for my salary. Anyway, to put it bluntly, I realised I found the analysis and manipulation of people (think sales conversions - that's what first peaked my interest) slightly more interesting than the manipulation of machines. :p And here I am.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Fier
    I graduated with a degree in Business Administration - Marketing just a few months back. It took me quite some time since I had a job at the time and working on my IM stuff. Now I'm full-time IM and my degree is hanging on the wall already gathering dust =P

    It's interesting because most of the people who I know who have made a great living for themselves never got a college education.
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  • Profile picture of the author stealthmayhem
    I am have a Bachelors Degree in Network Administration, and A Masters in Internet and Information Security
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Burke
      Hi Guys

      I couldn't resist commenting here.

      Firstly I have a Bachelor of Business and an MBA in Finance!

      Have the degrees done me any good?

      I'm going to be a politician here - Yes and No!

      I say Yes because doing a degree not only widens your mind,your network of contents and gives you some letters after your name( - if that's what gives you a kick) It also gives you a paradigm to focus on goals and see those goals get achieved in a very real tangible level.

      My grandfather used to say to me that 'they can take away from you your money, your job even your health but they can never take away your learning"

      It's the only thing my friends that's a truly personal achievement once you have it!

      The other side to the yes is that it does 'train' you mind to work things out in a more logical fashion in comparison to non degree educated people. Now, don't get me wrong I'm not saying for one minute that just because you don't have a degree that you don't tackle problems logically and well. It just seems to be a major trait of degree/college educated people.

      This is to me part of the reason why 80% of millionaires have a college education.

      Now comes the NO's.

      Making money is entirely up to the drive, ambition skill and talent (note skill and talent are two totally different terms yet often confused!)

      In some ways I think that skill in making money can be learned by anyone college educated or otherwise and I would arguably say that many college degree holders are very 'skilled' at making money hence the high number of millionaires amongst graduates.

      However, some people have a talent for making money, irrespective of whether they have a college degree or not and in my honest opinion the rank and file of the super rich is filled with non college educated very talented money makers!

      Now to the last No sadly

      Am I a millionaire at the moment. No. Do I want to be a millionaire, Yes and no. My main aim is to love what I do and make money from it to support my family. When and if the chase to be a millionaire could or would cause me to lose my family then NO definitely not.

      You see, IMHO, you are driven by your goals and aspirations. If you want to be a millionaire then with drive, determination and focus then you will be one.

      My only advice is when focusing try and keep a balance in your life!

      p.s.

      A bit of humor here. I once was a millionaire but got badly stung in a business venture. I'm on my way to making it back but with different goals and aspirations - I want to keep everything I have next time
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  • Profile picture of the author ShAaNiG
    I have bachelors degree in chemical engineering and now doing MBA
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    • Profile picture of the author Tiger66466
      I got my degree in Advertising back in 1998. Ironically, I did this paper to get a special designation (ie graduating in the honors program as well as with honors) and it was about online advertising. Man, this was some old school stuff compared to what I know/we have today.

      I freakin' LOVED being in college. The experience of it was fantastic for me. However, I can't say that having a degree has done that much for me financially (and I'm one of the lucky ones who got out of college without any debt - I had a scholarship and my dad paid for any remaining costs). Granted it's hard to say for sure since I haven't lived my working life WITHOUT a degree. Hard to give a true comparison.

      As much as I loved being in college (I'm still incredibly nostalgic for those good ol' days) I am really surprised that 80% of millionaires are college educated.

      Does that mean they have degrees or some just went to college for some period of time (such as the Bill Gates example)?

      Again, I loved college for the experience but frankly I think of college as training to play small in a lot of ways. In other words, you're being trained for a JOB not to be an entrepreneur. College teaches you to play it "safe" - ie find a job rather than do your own thing. (And really, these days though having a job isn't really playing it all that safe since so many people are or have lost jobs left and right.)

      Maybe for some the supposed discipline of college will translate well into being successful with IM. However, college was really easy for me and I was pretty lazy (I could get away with very minimal effort most of the time and still get great grades). I'm STILL really lazy and lack focus (though I'm trying to get better - I'm definitely less lazy than I was. But the focus is still an issue. Too much I want to do and try!) so college didn't give me the discipline benefit! lol

      Stacy
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Tees
    I'm currently working on a degree in Business Management mainly for my own development. I have learned many things that I have been able to apply to my internet business. Even though, my professors were all old school, former brick and mortar business owners. Mostly how to lead and motivate people, this is key in network and multi level affiliate marketing. Also how to sell and communicate more effectively to get my point across and drive it home. I don't really plan on working for anyone else if I can help it, but the degree will be nice to have.
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  • Profile picture of the author seo_submission
    I am college educated just completed BE degree !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
    From my prospective not having a degree was both a blessing and a curse --- a blessing because it forced me to cultivate the talent that I had and a curse because I struggled with study skills.

    I dropped out of high school in the 9th grade (1961), got my GED in Vietnam and even though I qualified for full tuition under the GI bill when I got out of the military in 1969 I passed on college and opted into what turned out to be a profitable and successful career in industrial sales.

    I quickly learned that if you knew how to make profitable sales nothing else mattered. I traveled all over the world, worked alongside with and was paid equivalent to if not more than the PhDs that worked for the firm I represented.

    My struggle factor came with having weak study skills. Since I'd never developed strong study skills in school learning the tech side of IM has been difficult. Having said this, I'd much rather have strong sales, marketing and entrepreneurial skills and struggle with the tech side than to be a tech whiz and a commercial dunce.

    In my early years I lacked writing, vocabulary and speaking skills. Whether having a four-year degree would have helped overcome the problem I do not know --- I doubt it. My first public speaking gig at the Arizona Biltmore in Phoenix forced me to overcome my feelings of inadequate reluctance.

    What I was able to get away with in the 70s through 90s would be impossible today. In our modern business arena a person wouldn't be able to get past the entry gate without a formal college background.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the discipline a person learns in the military. Spending a four year hitch in the military was one of the best things I ever did. The military makes you grow up --- it teaches you how to roll out of bed in the morning and get the job done.

    For any young person reading this thread that might be contemplating not going to college (university) or dropping out my advice as someone that has taken the grand tour without a degree is DON'T do it. Get the degree and move full steam ahead in IM.

    Respectfully submitted,
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I barely finished High School, managed gas stations from age 22 to 28, bought my first gas station at 28 and ended up owning 6 stations total for 18 years. I then sold all of them from 2004 to 2008. Became a full time Internet Marketer in 2007 and going very strong.
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  • Profile picture of the author rr1958
    I am, 4 years at an IVY league college, all it did was prepare me to work for someone else. Now I'm doing my best to learn to make something from nothing. That's what this forum is all about!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Godwin
    I graduated in 2006 with a degree in Business and Psychology and both have proved useful in my business. That being said, I would like to think that the non-academic skills are by far the more vital ones for running a business. Certain things are only developed through experience and determination!
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  • Profile picture of the author NicholasCarter
    well im heading into my junior year of college. A college education will not make you a successful internet marketer. The only way is to live by the seat of your pants and learn by experience (okay thats my opinion) but a college education can be helpful. I think knowledge is power
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  • Profile picture of the author BobRenwick
    BA Bethel College St Paul Mn. My major, however, had nothing to do with marketing. Like so many with a degree my work experience has taken me far afield.

    As for that millionaire thing, I'm still not in the 80%.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    I went to college six times! I just unfortunately dropped out six times as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Graduated with a BA in Arts and Media, hoping to be a filmmaker, but stuck working a crap IT job and hoping IM will get me out of it..
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  • Profile picture of the author Plish
    Made $40k playing poker during Uni. Graduated with a 2.1 in Economics a few weeks ago,

    I would say absolutely none of the above helped me to become an IM expert. 4 years of passion for the field (since I was 18) is what put me where I am. Education isn't what's needed, it's a good understanding of the internet and social media. I've used the internet heavily since 1997 when I was 10 years old. I've grown up with it by my side and this is why I have such a strong passion for the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trent Brownrigg
    I am. Started my online business just after I graduated from college (the first time). Then, I went back and got a marketing degree while I was building my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author LindaC
    yelp...administrative accounting and business management.

    My Best 2 U,

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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Deegan
    I dropped out of school in 6th grade. Wanted to go back when I was 15. Got My GED that year. Went to community college for a year or so then transfered to a good 4 year. Was at the 4 year for almost 2 years. Left for health reasons. Decided I wanted to go into IT. Got certified by Microsoft, CISCO and Novell. Got bored with that and been in to marketing since.

    I'm lucky that I've been an avid reader since I was young and have been self educating my self ever since I dropped out of 6th grade...
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    College educated. Not using my major or minor but man I had a *)$#!$! blast for those 4 years ;-)

    No regrets about college!
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  • Profile picture of the author jjbalagosa
    I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Technical Management. Graduated in 2004.

    Degrees are nice if you're looking for a job, but they don't really carry much weight when you're an entrepreneur, in my opinion.

    The best take away I recieved from going to college was a good work ethic and the ability to meet deadlines. There are a lot of things that I use in business that I've learned in college but I'm pretty sure you could find those same things in any book store.
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  • Profile picture of the author Colin Theriot
    Me. But my degree is in painting, so it's not really relevant. To anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketguy
    Masters Degree in Business Management. I am considering getting my PHD.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    Yup spent about 6 years in college (switched majors a few times) then graduated with a health and fitness degree...

    Doesn't help much with IM, but did help me learn to manage time better
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    just finished my last class last night. For this reason, I did not conduct any internet marketing for over 14 months (reason for no signature for now). Now I am back in the forum with Master of Education in Training (MAED). I hope I could be a better contributor to the forum with instructional strategies, designs, presentations, and eLearning information.
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    A bachelor's and a Masters degree, but its all the reading about marketing over the last 15 years that has made me money. I think the important thing about college is developing the discipline to become a life long learner. Those that go to college seem to have an edge in figuring out what they need to learn, then just doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
    In the process of earning a double major in Marketing and Computer Science.

    Go Dawgs!
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  • Profile picture of the author enochfung
    B.A. in English Lit but I'm not a millionaire so I guess my stat won't help you much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nemanja
    I have college degree in information technology and management.
    It helped me for sure, I got very good working ethics and learned to open my mind towards new ideas and to quickly adopt in new business and life situations.
    So college will help you for sure.

    Nemanja
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  • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
    I have a diploma in Business Administration and busy completing my MBA but I am not a Millionaire yet! Hope that is the next step after completing my Degree
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  • Profile picture of the author yodude711
    i am college educated, but i would say that most of my business acumen comes from life experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
    School drop out... I think that's a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kaitlyn Aliano
    Almost! I'm currently working towards a BS in Internet Marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Edk
      Originally Posted by Kaitlyn Aliano View Post

      Almost! I'm currently working towards a BS in Internet Marketing.
      Witty. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kaitlyn Aliano
        Originally Posted by Edk View Post

        Witty. Thanks.
        It wasn't a joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Spoon
    I don't know if this was mentioned because i didn't go through all 7 pages but Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard.

    Why would you have to be college educated to make it IM?

    Does the OP think you have to have a degree to be succesful?
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  • Profile picture of the author cpa-money
    i have 2 university degrees. but still making money only online
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  • Profile picture of the author willoh
    Mechanical engineer. was worth it - sort of. on second thought, not really )
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    • Profile picture of the author Edk
      Originally Posted by willoh View Post

      Mechanical engineer. was worth it - sort of. on second thought, not really )
      Kindred spirit. The only value in my having gained a first degree in Mech Eng lies in my possibly Needing a degree in another subject to be taken seriously as I'm feeling the need to write a book in an entirely different area and be published by a mainstream publisher.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmzcreates
    I have Bachelor of Arts in International Studies. I'm not using it unless I write a book on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ConnorMcCreesh
    I have been doing a particle physics degree for some time, well some time being almost 5 years currently, kind of got into internet marketing some time back and it drew me away from studies.
    But now i have the cash i can enjoy learning in an open university style and getting in contact with lecturers if i find myself at a real stumbling point.
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  • Profile picture of the author olapeju
    I have in history and international relations but wish to earn my living through internet marketing
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  • I have resources that say the opposite HHHHHMMMMMMmmmmm. Rich Dad says our educational system teaches us to be an employee. I also have resources that say you are 90% less likely to become a millionaire if you get a higher education again because it teaches you to have a job mentality.

    Did the book say if these millionaires were self made? I have resources that show most 2nd generation millionaires went to college.

    Donald Trump TV show even had a season with College educated and non College educated.

    It will e interesting to see what you find. Thanks for the great post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keisha
    Done college, not sure if it really helped, i guess in some ways its helped me through a few things, was good fun. If I could do it again id do it different, and study other things, i was always to indecisive. Still shouldn't live to regret.
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    • Profile picture of the author phoenixx9000
      BA (Hons) Historical Studies (first)
      Any use? Not much
      Regret doing it?
      No - had a blast at university
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  • Profile picture of the author awarum
    B.S Biology
    Suppose to attend medical school but now planning for MBA
    Maybe I'll still do M.D if I am feeling bored
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    • Profile picture of the author shoeb000
      Well, I have graduated last year.
      Bachelor of Dental Surgeon [Dentist]
      Rajiv Gandhi University of Health Sciences, Karnataka.

      Web designing was always my favourite. later learned other webmastering ideas. I was always eager to learn new ways of making money online, [though never earned anything in those days], started learning online money making ways from the worst ever section [yes, you guessed it right, it was PTC, lol] later jumped to different other ideas and finally learned a lot of webmastering and internet marketing stuffs from DP and Warrior forum.
      Its damn hard to get some time out alongwith profession, i guess i will be taking early retirement from my dental clinic... lol

      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Of course an aneurysm would do it
      lol, that was interesting, yeah there are other diseases too which can steal MOST of THE KNOWLEDGE you have... including HARD DISK CRASH [with no backup obviously.]
      I suffered Loss of Knowledge syndrome due to permanently deleting an important section called "Recent Work Projects". Not to mention that i wasnt able to recover it in its original form.

      Originally Posted by macchiavelli View Post

      I dropped out 2 years ago...I was like, I can spend all my time making money online!
      Im 20 now but at times I do miss school allot, but I cant imagine taking any classes serious when I have seen the kind of money online that ive seen.

      I was 17 making $30k a year online and still going to school....be honest...any kid would drop out once you reach the magical age of 18 earning that kind of money!!!
      So I did

      But I do miss the social contacts because IM is lonely man heheh ah well.
      Getting that fat BMW GT 5 this year will give me all the social contacts I need I guess lol
      Indeed that was a great reason for dropping from school. at 17, its great to earn anything as little as which we earn after graduation and conventional jobs.

      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I was going to answer, but I thought it would be a more telling exercise to have a few people guess what my level of education is.

      What's your guess?

      (I'll answer as soon as there are three guesses)

      All the best,
      Michael
      a little bit late i am... anyways your grades were nice...

      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      4 kids in our family. 2 with degrees. the 2 without degrees (myself included). The 2 without degrees made 4 times what the 2 with degrees did for 30 years.

      One still does. I am currently self un-employed due to a car accident.
      lol, indeed i too guess, having degree and earning at conventional JOB at company is always associated with small regular income with no chance to be earning something UNBELIEVABLE amount.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    In my first post for this thread i mentioned my college degrees:

    Undergraduate in Finance
    Masters in Information Technology Management

    However, I forgot 2 other important learning points for me:

    21 years of military service - Taught me humility, respect, teamwork and leadership skills.

    Internet marketing purchases - probably closing on on $50,000 worth of purchases - The lessons from all of that material has been amazingly life changing.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by TimG View Post

      In my first post for this thread i mentioned my college degrees:

      Undergraduate in Finance
      Masters in Information Technology Management

      However, I forgot 2 other important learning points for me:

      21 years of military service - Taught me humility, respect, teamwork and leadership skills.

      Internet marketing purchases - probably closing on on $50,000 worth of purchases - The lessons from all of that material has been amazingly life changing.

      Respectfully,
      Tim
      9 years (almost 10) here on military service. I had 8 years as an enlisted soldier in the U.S. Army, and, come September, I'll have a full year as a 2nd Lieutenant. The lessons learned and experiences, gained from the military, have been a tremendous help in succeeding online with IM. There have been MANY times where I've contemplated giving up IM altogether, but that Warrior spirit has served me well. I would never trade those lessons and experiences for the world. It's helped me to become a better soldier, a better IM'er and a better leader.
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  • Profile picture of the author nturgeon
    I hold a computer programming diploma but now work in the finance field. I'm almost near completion of a diploma in Business Administration as well. My goal is to earn enough in IM to at least pay off my student loans.
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    • Profile picture of the author SarahMcHarry
      I grew up in UK. Had to leave grammar school at 16 because parents wouldn't support me any further. Got my degree BA (Hons) at the Open University. Took me eight years studying while also doing a full-time day job. My graduation day was the proudest day of my life. I didn't invite my parents

      Doing a degree changed my life and made me into a completely different person. I wouldn't have been able to survive IM without that change. I don't regret a minute of it!

      Sarah
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    Fellow of The Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (uk) (FCCA)

    MBA (Heriot-Watt University), Edinburgh, Scotland
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  • Profile picture of the author kbmciver
    I graduated from NY Institute of Technology in 2004 20 years after I first started there!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    I am. If I had to choose, I wouldn't have gone to school.

    Nowadays, employers will take commensurate experience in substitute for a degree. I'd recommend working in the field for 5 years and if you want to go to school, have your employer pay.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gemini9
        B.Sc. in zoology and botany. Had a great time in college but didn't pursue this line. Changed careers to hotel management for which I also have degree. Still in hospitality.

        I believe college teaches you the fundamentals but work experience is priceless.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Try telling that to the human resources people running all the "graduate recruitment entry schemes". A few will. Far more won't. I'm just saying.
        I have, including my mom. She's a "big wig" at a major US corp and has said the exact same thing.

        She said they look for people with experience over education. Why? Because if they want you to have the education, they can give it to you. They cannot give you experience. You cannot learn in the classroom what you can on the job.

        Of course, this is dependent upon each career path, but as a whole is stands true.
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      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      Nowadays, employers will take commensurate experience in substitute for a degree. I'd recommend working in the field for 5 years and if you want to go to school, have your employer pay.

      I would be interested in knowing where you came up with your "facts".
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    • Profile picture of the author hikerguy777
      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

      I am. If I had to choose, I wouldn't have gone to school.

      Nowadays, employers will take commensurate experience in substitute for a degree. I'd recommend working in the field for 5 years and if you want to go to school, have your employer pay.

      Want to share your sources?

      I graduated from Georgia Tech in 1998 with a degree in Industrial Engineering. While I do not use anything I learned in school, the GT degree has opened many doors for me throughout my professional career.

      I hire people all the time. Rarely will I give anyone without a degree a look. Professional training might suffice, but if you have no degree and no training your resume is going in the trash. I work as a director of product management for a technology company.

      That said, I'm hoping to monetize my IM efforts to a point that I can quit the 8-5 job.
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      • Originally Posted by hikerguy777 View Post

        Want to share your sources?

        I graduated from Georgia Tech in 1998 with a degree in Industrial Engineering. While I do not use anything I learned in school, the GT degree has opened many doors for me throughout my professional career.

        I hire people all the time. Rarely will I give anyone without a degree a look. Professional training might suffice, but if you have no degree and no training your resume is going in the trash. I work as a director of product management for a technology company.

        That said, I'm hoping to monetize my IM efforts to a point that I can quit the 8-5 job.
        I can't help but to smile at the irony...

        So first you question the previous post's validity for claiming that now a days college degrees are losing value, but then you admin, literally, that you've made no use of anything you learned in school, and finally you further admit that you won't hire anyone without a degree... err.... WTF man?

        Plus, to top that off, you finally proclaim that you can't wait to send all that to heck to focus on your IM ventures... LOL. Sorry man, but your whole post is totally incongruent to my ears.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          then you admin, literally, that you've made no use of anything you learned in school
          Why not? The point of being university educated (with exceptions of vocational courses like law, medicine and business, clearly) isn't to "use what you learned in school" to make money. Education is what remains with you long after the stuff you learned has been forgotten. So there isn't any "conflict" there at all.

          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          Sorry man, but your whole post is totally incongruent to my ears.
          Yes; his post, and mine, and many others like them are incongruous to your ears, as you're always saying ... but that's for the obvious reason that your concept of education is different from ours. We don't have that sense of incongruity.
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          • Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Yes; his post, and mine, and many others like them are incongruous to your ears, as you're always saying ... but that's for the obvious reason that your concept of education is different from ours. We don't have that sense of incongruity.
            Instead of making it personal, which you seem to be rather inclined to whenever you quote any of my posts, perhaps it would have been more productive if you stated what exactly in my post didn't make sense. You see, that's how conversations move forward, Alexa.

            As far as I can tell, someone who 1) claims not having ever used anything from what he learned at college, yet he further 2) admits to turn down systematically anyone without a college degree STILL sounds very incongruent to me. Now, could you explain why isn't it so?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

              perhaps it would have been more productive if you stated what exactly in my post didn't make sense.
              Nothing in your post didn't make sense.

              On the contrary, it made complete sense, given that your underlying conception of the value and purpose of education is a fundamentally different one from those of the people with whose posts you're ever-enthusiastic to try to find fault.

              The problem wasn't "lack of sense": it was simply "lack of agreement about the objectives of education".

              Far from making it "personal", believe it or not I was trying to be helpful, by explaining to you that the reason for your disagreement with the poster whose post you were disputing is that you're discussing it from different premises.

              I'm not saying there's anything good, or bad, about that. It's just "how it is". If you don't agree with him (or with me) about the purpose of education, then obviously you're unlikely to agree about its benefits. What's "personal" about that?
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              • Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                The problem wasn't "lack of sense": it was simply "lack of agreement about the objectives of education".
                Thank you for the clarification.

                In my opinion, and since we're in a business-centered forum and niche (Internet Marketing), college education should be measured under business metrics: is the knowledge I've attained helping me in my business?
                • If the answer is "yes, my business is growing because of my college education", then those years studying like a mad man were worth it.
                • In the other hand, if the answer is "no, I am using nothing of what I learned back then, but I made very good friends, I had a great time and I improved my team works", then it'd seem to me that college was nothing but a glorified (and VERY expensive) summer camp.
                That's how I see it Alexa: I don't see college as an enlightenment venue towards personal growth. Instead, I see it as a highly specific (and expensive) training towards my professional career/business. And, as such, I demand it to be applicable in real-world businesses... unfortunately, in my experience it's not been the case.
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

                  In my opinion, and since we're in a business-centered forum and niche (Internet Marketing), college education should be measured under business metrics: is the knowledge I've attained helping me in my business?
                  Exactly my point: you're looking at the value of education strictly in terms of business metrics.

                  Those with whom you're in such disagreement are not.

                  I respect your right to look at it that way, just as I'm sure you respect mine to look at it in the way I've expressed throughout this thread and others on the subject.

                  It means we disagree about the premises, so clearly we're unlikely to agree about our conclusions. But hey .. you and I are used to that, right?

                  Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

                  I see it as a highly specific (and expensive) training towards my professional career/business.
                  I understand. You have the right to see it that way, if that's how you want to see it, but that isn't how I see it. In my experience of such discussions (of which I've had quite a few, as I'm sure you have, too), your way of seeing it tends to be the way of people who've studied something vocational like business management or accountancy. Clearly, your own degree is not in Art History, Philosophy or Medical Microbiology. Again, I'm not suggesting for a moment that there's anything bad or wrong with that at all, but clearly it gives you a very different "starting perspective" from that of some others in the conversation (again, absolutely no criticism implied by that, but it's why you couldn't possibly agree with the poster up above, whose premises - just like mine - are fundamentally mismatched with your own).
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                  • Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                    Exactly my point: you're looking at the value of education strictly in terms of business metrics.

                    Those with whom you're in such disagreement are not.

                    It means we disagree about the premises, so clearly we're unlikely to agree about our conclusions. But hey .. you and I are used to that, right?
                    Totally agree. We simply regard college education in a whole different perspective thus no agreement is to ever be reached.

                    I dunno Alexa, I just wished the training I got back then (Business Administration) had been more "real worldly" so I could have actually applied any of that theory -which was A LOT of it, trust me- onto my own business now a days That's mostly where my jadedness towards college comes from: too theoretical and too detached from the real world out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
    I'm college educated

    I passed City & Guilds 705/1 General Catering, C&G 706/1 & 706/2 Catering Qualifications.

    But I am not in catering any longer. I have a J.O.B. and have been marketing online for a few years. I have zeros in my bank account, but there aren't any numbers in front of them. LOL

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  • Profile picture of the author LaLaLives
    According to Jim Rohn: "Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune."

    I have both and am still working on my fortune.
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    • Originally Posted by LaLaLives View Post

      Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune.
      Man I so agree with this quote. Formal education now a days will get you a clean living and that's about it. If you want to push it a bit harder, self-education and self-enterprise is the only way to go. For 99% of the people, a university degree will never get you rich.

      Let's face it: formal education is not the social/professional pump it used to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author fortress
    Currently I'm working online through freelancing and blogging to name some. I have a bizarre business right now and it really sells. I am planning to concentrate on my business when I reach 25. Somehow, I will stop working and focus on my goals for the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author David
    High School drop out, left 11th grade in 1975 to be the next Jimi Hendrix
    read Ayn Rand's fountainhead @ 13 and wanted to be Howard Rourke when I grew up

    Became a Warrior (my Dad bought a money making website package in early 2000 and didn't have a clue about what he bought, Warrior membership came with it) in 2000

    Felt the need to learn Unix 101 in 2001

    haven't set foot in a school since then save for to explain to the local colleges why the interns they keed sending us are woefully unprepared to translate web design into something remotely saleable.

    Have to retrain each computer science intern... they can't sell their way of a paper bag
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  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    I think a more important question would be is it required in order to see huge success within IM, of which the answer is an clear no.

    We've seen 13 year old kids make money from this. But do they have any high-level business experience? Could they manage that as a business?

    Not sure.

    I am completely self-educated but I do regret not going to college and, later, university because I have NO backup career. Thankfully, qualifications for web-related jobs are still in their infancy and are completely inadequate in their current state. For that, I think my experience could provide me a decent 9-5 if I wanted it.

    What I value more is education and security. That's why I believe being college educated is highly important for the majority. Not everybody can be successfully self-employed and not every business venture will last forever.

    What happens if it all comes crashing down? That little piece of paper might just keep you from washing pots in the event of a meltdown.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alican Yenidogan
    4 years of computer science and yes it helped me a lot to create softwares but about the marketing side, I'm testing and learning every single day

    Alican
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Dropped out in 9th grade, been on my own ever since. Would not give you a dime for paper, but a million dollars for heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author yodude711
    I am college educated - Bachelor's of Business Administration.

    But what good has it done? I work a trade (TV Sound Recording) for which I don't think anyone cares if I have a degree or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author JAAffiliates
    I have a first class honors degree in Media & Communication. I am new to Internet Marketing but have been a professional [copy]writer for 15 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda Craven
    B.A. (Hons) Dramatic Arts. Revving up for a M.A.

    None of it prepared me for the subsequent life (or death) experience of both the acting and writing worlds but I wouldn't have missed college for anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarteJ
    I'm currently finishing my Masters Degree, but I'm not sure I will use it! I'd rather make money in IM and live life as I want. There are a lot of super successful internet marketers that are college- or even high school dropouts. I believe it has more to do with mindset and having the guts to shoot for the stars, instead of playing it safe. I haven't exactly succeeded yet, so I hope money will come rolling in soon, before I will be forced in to taking a "regular" job!
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  • I've got a degree in Business. The final output wasn't worth the input (5 years studying in college) and I can't think of any way in which that degree in Business has actually been at all benefitial now that I do indeed run my own business... paradoxical, isnt it?
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  • Profile picture of the author ronywilliam
    Became a graduate 15 days back.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    I am 25 years of age, single, a graduate of Bachelor of Science in Computer Science.

    Here in our country, it is really an advantage if you have a Bachelor degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author ladywriter
    I have a BA in Communications and graduated with honors. While college was a rewarding experience in a number of ways, I sometimes wonder how much farther I might be if I'd worked sooner.
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  • Profile picture of the author colie3188
    Hey Shane,

    I'm college educated, just graduated in fact

    80% is a BIG statistic, but not SHOCKING! I think the SUCCESS stories you hear about the GREAT Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, ect. All college drop outs are maybe making it more of a fantasy to be SUCCESSFUL without a college education and one thing they do represent is that it doesn't take a college degree.

    To be honest though... College was just a HUGE social aspect, because I feel I've probably learned more about Marketing, IM and everything else by taking action - self learning.

    College education is now over-rated, unless you want to get into a serious profession that requires a certificate!

    Hope this helps ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by colie3188 View Post

      I think the SUCCESS stories you hear about the GREAT Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, ect. All college drop outs are maybe making it more of a fantasy to be SUCCESSFUL without a college education and one thing they do represent is that it doesn't take a college degree.
      Interesting that that's what they represent to you.

      To me, they represent people with the ability, drive and academic qualifications originally to have been able to get in to universities like Harvard, MIT and wherever else those guys dropped out of. Just a very slightly, subtly different perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author digidoodles
    I have a degree, but nothing related to what I do.

    I really think the 80% success has more to do with the "stick-to-it-iveness". Those who have a degree have obviously persisted in the face of the challenges of obtaining that degree. Therefore, it seems to reason that they'd be more persistent in pursuit of "the dream".

    But, what do I know?

    Warmly,

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  • Profile picture of the author Nate Simms
    Bachelors degree in Communications.

    Masters degree in History.

    Current PhD student in American History.
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  • Profile picture of the author wannabetechie
    I have a bachelors and a masters. In my exp, the best use of a college degree is that it gets you a foot in the door.

    Do you need a college degree to succeed in business. Probably not. There are many many examples who prove that point.

    But if your business shuts down (and it does happen), and you are looking for a stable job because you have a family to support, a college degree is a big help.

    Speaking from personal experience (not mine, but people I know)
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  • Profile picture of the author pmbrent
    I recently graduated with a degree in Marketing as well.
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  • I have an associates degree in Marketing. Going back to school for Web Design. Although I must say in Dallas, its hell finding a good Web Design school, seems every school around here is based around medical coding, and being a nurse and such.

    But I signed up for Lynda.com and of course I found a community college that offers web design classes as well as wordpress, and other classes that have been hard to find.
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  • Profile picture of the author Presto Smith
    I've got an undergraduate degree. College serves as a hub of activity around any subject you may want to pursue. So, if you are on the fence about going I say go for it
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  • Well this has certainly taken off as a thread!

    I got my degree in Music Technology a fair few years back now, I have used it a few times in my career so far but as has been stated it's more the mentality of someone willing to stick to something to completion that matters rather than the degree itself.

    I got some great contacts and made some amazing friends when I was at uni and I met the one guy that introduced me to IM while I was there so without Uni for me I wouldn't be where I am today!

    Interesting thread though!
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  • Profile picture of the author KenB
    I never did like college. I guess school wasn't for me. I'm doing more than fine though, some people are too smart for school. Or at least I've been told, although I've always valued the other aspects of a education, the skills you learn socially, the motivation, dedication it takes to success. You find all these factors in school, also in other places if you know where to look.
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    B.S. in Electrical and Computer Engineering, Clarkson College of Technology (now "University") '85. Minored in Physics.

    Wish I had used the money to start "Bulletin" Boards and get on that "Inter-Web" thingy, that was still called "Arpa-Net" when I first used it....

    Oh well...
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
    Good Lord. I can't believe the thread is still alive. Cool.

    Since I started this thread I've completed 2 semesters in college. I think I was in my 1st semester when I started this thread. Not sure though.

    I'll start my 4th semester in 1 week. I'll have my Associates by the end of this year. Then in 2 more years I'll have the "marketing" degree I want.

    However, college in plan B for me. I love working online. Less people interaction that way.

    Peace,

    Shane
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    • I have bachelor's degrees in both computer programming and business administration from many years ago.

      And I agree that this is why everyone should go to college:

      Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

      BS
      MEd

      Not required for success but, all things being equal, the personal characteristics required for academic success (focus, commitment, etc...) are also important in business.
      ... and the social and networking skills you learn from dealing with so many different kinds of people are invaluable, as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author bnwebm
    BA Psychology
    MA Mental Health Counseling

    Definitely have the education to fall back on, if it were necessary and I do use what I studied in forming solid relationships with clients and customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      I don't think that having a college or university education
      determines your likelihood of success at Internet Marketing
      either way.

      For what it's worth, I've got a few degrees under my belt...

      BEng - Mechanical and Materials Engineering
      MSc - Polymer Technology
      PGCCE - Postgraduate Certificate in Continuing Education

      The biggest thing I learned at University was social skills as
      I got to meet people from all over the world and from a wide
      range of backgrounds too.

      (You could get that by travelling the world a bit)

      There's a difference between School Smarts and Street Smarts
      and it's the latter that I believe has a greater influence on
      success in business.

      Don't let not having a college education (or having one!) be an
      excuse for not achieving what you want in life.

      Dedicated to mutual success,

      Shaun
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        I am Hardly edecated, and you may call me Dr. Uhl

        BS (We know what that means)
        MS (More of the Same)
        PhD (Piled high and Deep)

        Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. E
    I have a BA in Psychology, I got halfway through an MA. I hope to get a more advanced degree someday, this time it won't be me getting a degree in hopes of making money someday. Instead it will be me getting a degree in the field that I actually want to study only because I would like to know more about it.
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  • I'm not yet make my living via IM, no college needed here.
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  • Hotel Management...not even close to IM....
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I dropped out of high school in tenth grade and eventually got my GED when I turned 17. Then I did my prerequisites and started my first business then dropped out from college too. I enjoy starting new businesses and in the first two years after I quit college I had tried 14 different businesses. I put that education above any other education I have received in life. I bet you'll hear that most successful warriors will have similar stories to mine. I may be wrong, but I'm betting not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    Got my M.A. (Political Science) 35 years ago. The most important things I learned are how to learn and how much I enjoyed it. Made getting an M.B.A. one of my life's goals. I finished it at age 60. I'll quit learning when I quit breathing.

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  • Profile picture of the author ebizroi
    BS Finance, Computer Science, MS Computer Science + 15 years on the frontline of Technology Sales and Marketing efforts, 2 years as online entreprenuer - aka school of hard knocks!
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by Ryan Kole View Post

    ... but this excellent video covers everything already, give it a watch.

    YouTube - RSA Animate - Changing Education Paradigms
    Neat little video, Ryan. Thanks for posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesGw
    I'm still in college, but taking my time. I don't think it's really necessary to go to college in order to be successful if you're halfway intelligent.
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    • Profile picture of the author jmartinez
      I have a degree in Computer Science and left school early before I could finish a degree in English. I only had 2 forign language classes left to complete the English degree, but was too eager to start working back in 2000. 3 more payments left an no more financial aid debt!

      I loved college and don't regret going at all. I don't think college is necessary to be successful in IM but it helps in many ways.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amelle
    I have a university degree but I am only a millionaire in my dreams!! I think most of us are just conditioned to go as far as we can in the education system so we would have a better chance of getting better jobs.
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    • Profile picture of the author thumos
      Honours BA in Psychology.

      This debate always amuses me. From a strictly financial perspective, if you're on WF reading this thread then post-secondary education is not a sound economic investment, speaking strictly in terms of income-producing investments.

      However, the real value of a post-secondary education is in the more intangible aspects--how to think properly, building social relationships and connections, gaining varied life experience in a new setting, learning how to learn, etc.

      I don't think anyone's claiming that the piece of paper you receive at the end of four years is in itself life-changing. But the intangibles that you gained along the way, however...
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneyerr
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

    I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Happy marketing,

    Shane

    Yes Shane, it can be a fact because a college/university graduate learns hundreds of marketing methods by reading latest books and experiences of authors and teachers. And after completing his studies when he applies all his knowledge in his practical life, his success rate is higher than those of no qualified persons.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    Wonder how many of these millionaires received their diplomas after they became successful? I know Bill Gates finally got his diploma in 2007. I have a lot of friends who dropped out and started successful businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    According to the research done for the book, "The Millionaire Next Door", 80% of all millionaires are college graduates.

    18 percent have Masters degrees, 8 percent law degrees, 6 percent medical degrees, and 6 percent Ph.D.s
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  • Profile picture of the author zannix
    What determines a finished college education?

    A piece of paper called 'degree' ?

    Somehow, I don't find it a miracle for 80% millionairs to have a 'degree'
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  • Profile picture of the author shireen
    Hi:

    Shireen here :-)

    I have a master degree in economics majoring finance.

    Doesn't really help my IM career :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Naills
    I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering - I absolutely love the work that I do - very rewarding, and I haven't had a day drag by in over twenty years of work.

    On the other hand, has it helped me with my IM efforts? Not much, I don't think. Actually, I think it may actually hurt me at times, because my background gives me the tendency to over-complicate things.

    I wouldn't trade it, though. There's a lot more to going to college than just sitting in a classroom. Most of the college educated people I know (including me) feel that it was one of the best experiences of their life.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    Great thread.I had done Masters degree in computers.
    My Life changed by IM
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  • Profile picture of the author Apollo-Articles
    BA Business Studies With Marketing - 4 year course (3 years studying/1 year work palcement).

    The biggest thing my degree gave me was aspiration, friends, marketing knowledge and business strategy.

    If I could change the degree I would put more practical elements in the syllabus since most of what you learn is very high end stuff. For example I think learning copywriting would be massively beneficial (I don't even think they teach this in Advertising degrees).

    Course include an Ebusiness module which was embarrassingly bad, was a couple of PHD's with no clue of the online world spending most their time teaching us how to network windows NT despite no one using this outdated technology. Seems most unis can't keep up with fast paced environments such as online marketing.

    Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathaniell
    No college degree here, also trying to make money without having to go back to school. I'm a WA member, does that count?

    I guess no matter how you make money, you've got to learn something. Been going at this IM thing for about a year now, bit by bit making more money.

    Still trying to make the big bucks though
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  • Profile picture of the author Wendo
    Yes am college educated.
    But what you find is not everyone is able to go into the job market because its saturated Internet Marketing can offer much more than a job, look at self billionaire like Bill gates he made it so can anyone who has the determination.
    Aim higher people!
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  • Profile picture of the author windso0
    i'm a college student, but not in USA
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  • Profile picture of the author mavmav
    I got a degree in instrumentation engineering.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I'm a graduate of Industrial Education and hold a Professional Teacher's License.. but I am here doing IM full time and not teaching....
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  • Profile picture of the author BobbyTn
    Are you ready for the simple truth?
    Reality is the answer to this question can vary! yup! those with an education who are making a good living making a few thousand dollars per month will tell you SURE EDUCATION IS A MUST, and yet there are educated people who have had their fair share of challenges!
    That being said my personal opinion is if you can get an education in a prestigious university like Harvard, MIT or other like them YOU ARE SET FOR LIFE!
    BUT Brian Tracey says in one of his seminars that based on a research done by FORBS, its shows that those who dropped school and started their business are 30% richer that the high educated ones!
    now I guess you have to decide the suitable answer for your question based on your current circumstances
    I hope I could help, or did confused you even more?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jkhurramov
    I only have a degree of High School but looking forward to study at a college.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Many are but recall the likes of Bill Gates dropped out to make their fortunes
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  • Profile picture of the author gekko2.0
    Originally pursued an engineering degree fresh out of high school, hated it and dropped out after 3 years.

    15 years later I'm back in school, this time for an IT degree, and absolutely loving it.

    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
    I have a BA degree in Risk Management but it was just as I graduated (actually I need to go back and pay $20 to officially graduate) I fell into IM.

    I didn't like my course and maintained a below 10% attendance rate and somehow scraped through the exams and coursework.

    Now I can happily work for 10/15 hours (sometimes more) because I love what I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author eagertolearn
    Pharmacist. Oregon State. We'll see if it helps here?
    A follow up question.
    Does it help in the on-line world to put the alphabet soup after you name?
    Mark Parkinson BS RPh ?
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by eagertolearn View Post

      Pharmacist. Oregon State. We'll see if it helps here?
      A follow up question.
      Does it help in the on-line world to put the alphabet soup after you name?
      Mark Parkinson BS RPh ?
      Probably not unless it's relevant to what you're doing and/or writing about.

      If I were a gas central heating technician in the UK and always appended "(Gas Safe certified)" to the end of my name, but happened to be selling guitar-related products or discussing how to effectively carry out a Google AdWords ad split-test, how would that boost my credibility? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author It Should Be Easy
        Everything helps in my opinion. Even if an education is quite narrow you will always learn other stuff as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author eagertolearn
        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        Probably not unless it's relevant to what you're doing and/or writing about.

        If I were a gas central heating technician in the UK and always appended "(Gas Safe certified)" to the end of my name, but happened to be selling guitar-related products or discussing how to effectively carry out a Google AdWords ad split-test, how would that boost my credibility? :p
        Make sence. Thanks for the reply
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by eagertolearn View Post

      Does it help in the on-line world to put the alphabet soup after you name?
      Mark Parkinson BS RPh ?
      Overall, yes.

      It can't cost; it'll lose you no customers at all but gain you a few (especially the R.Ph. if you're dealing with a healthcare niche).

      You're just slightly unfortunate to live in a country in which a Bachelor of Science degree is routinely abbreviated to "BS" rather than to "BSc" as elsewhere, but of course I might just be having a little translatlantic dig about that.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by eagertolearn View Post

        ...Does it help in the on-line world to put the alphabet soup after you name?
        Mark Parkinson BS RPh ?

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        ...You're just slightly unfortunate to live in a country in which a Bachelor of Science degree is routinely abbreviated to "BS" rather than to "BSc" as elsewhere, but of course I might just be having a little translatlantic dig about that.
        LOL! I have a PhD in Economics. That dig is everywhere - Piled high and Deep

        Considering the recent and current global financial events, I keep very quiet about the title.
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        • Profile picture of the author grannydude
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          LOL! I have a PhD in Economics. That dig is everywhere - Piled high and Deep

          Considering the recent and current global financial events, I keep very quiet about the title.
          Ph.D. = "piled higher and deeper. It goes: B.S =B...S... then M.S. = M...S... then Ph.D. - Piled higher and deeper. I have all 3 in Biology; had fun teaching, now have pension so I can indulge my IM; no money, keep hoping; have learned a lot. Good Luck to all,

          grannydude which I am; actually great-grannydude.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Overall, yes.

        It can't cost; it'll lose you no customers at all but gain you a few ...
        How can you be so sure about this, though?

        You've never been put off buying from (or otherwise questioned the integrity of) anyone who makes a point of continually "bigging themselves up" or drawing your attention to their potentially irrelevant formal qualifications and professional experience in order to try to sell you on something?

        I know I have, on more than one occasion.

        I'm just having a bit of trouble believing that doing this cannot work against you in some cases.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          You've never been put off buying from (or otherwise questioned the integrity of) anyone who makes a point of continually "bigging themselves up"
          Yes, I have ... but that wasn't the question. :p

          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          I'm just having a bit of trouble believing that doing this cannot work against you in some cases.
          If you do it really stupidly, I'm sure it can. But let's assume that someone with a BS who's also an RPh isn't going to be really stupid about how he does it, shall we?

          Clearly, the overall potential for benefit FAR outweighs that for loss. I did carefully preface my response with the word "overall", you know? To signify that it may not be so 100% of the time ...
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          • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Yes, I have ... but that wasn't the question. :p

            If you do it really stupidly, I'm sure it can. But let's assume that someone with a BS who's also an RPh isn't going to be really stupid about how he does it, shall we?
            Well, as far as I see it:

            (1) The poster made no mention of using "his letters" to further establish trust/credibility only in cases when they'd be directly relevant. His question was very general. And if they are relevant to what you're trying to do/sell, then of course listing them can only really be beneficial. Why would you even need to ask that?

            "I'm going to be dishing out medical advice - do you think it'll help if I mention that I'm a doctor, or does that only matter to people in the 'real world'?" Well ... d'oh. LOL.

            (2) Being a degree-holding college/university graduate doesn't automatically make you honest, ethical and smart.

            For both of these reasons, I didn't want to assume anything. For a skepchick, I think you sometimes have a little too much faith in people.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Clearly, the overall potential for benefit FAR outweighs that for loss.
            If they're relevant, yes.

            If they're not, they cannot realistically help unless you've essentially fooled your prospect into thinking they are. In which case you're deliberately misleading your prospects in much the same way as you might be by using those crappy "As seen on..." graphics.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            I did carefully preface my response with the word "overall", you know? To signify that it may not be so 100% of the time ...
            Yeah, but prefacing your response with "overall" doesn't much help if you then go on to state - twice, and pretty definitively - that (1) "It can't cost" and (2) "it'll lose you no customers at all".

            That's a bit like saying "60% of the time you're guaranteed to win 100% of the time".
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

              Being a degree-holding college/university graduate doesn't automatically make you honest, ethical and smart.
              Nobody said it did. (At least, nobody I saw).

              As I mentioned, the RPh (which of course we'd call "MPS" over here) would be very likely to lend some credibility in a health-care niche - I don't think anyone would seriously deny this, would they?

              Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

              prefacing your response with "overall" doesn't much help if you then go on to state - twice, and pretty definitively - that (1) "It can't cost" and (2) "it'll lose you no customers at all".
              Well, I thought it helped.

              Fair enough, though: I see that it would have been clearer if instead of prefacing my remarks with "overall", I'd said specifically "overall, it can't cost". :p
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              • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                As I mentioned, the RPh (which of course we'd call "MPS" over here) would be very likely to lend some credibility in a health-care niche - I don't think anyone would seriously deny this, would they?
                Undoubtedly. I'm not disputing that at all.

                Although I can just see some people trying to pass themselves off as accredited "experts" in a certain field, thinking that using these letters against their name will lend them additional credibility even if they're not at all relevant to the field/niche in which they're operating.

                You could be a MSc (Hons) in Astronomy (just for example) but be operating in an unrelated niche - say promoting/selling a product about some sort of psychological disorder - and unless you specifically explained what your area of study/expertise was, and be more specific about what that qualification is, you could inadvertently (or intentionally) be misleading your prospective customers into thinking you're actually something of an expert in psychology. After all, "MSc (Hons)", doesn't really tell you a whole lot in itself. You could've studied anything. But there's a high probability your prospective customer would just assume that your degree is somehow relevant - when in fact it isn't, really - just because you made the effort to mention it. And that would be wrong, in my opinion.

                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Well, I thought it helped.

                Fair enough, though: I see that it would have been clearer if instead of prefacing my remarks with "overall", I'd said specifically "overall, it can't cost". :p
                Sorry, I wasn't "pulling you up" to try to piss you off or anything, LOL. :p

                I just know that some people will say/do/use anything they think they can get away with in order to bolster their credibility ... so I didn't really like the idea of saying to the poster "Yes, it helps", without knowing specifically how they'd be using these letters, in case they'd pass it off as encouragement to use them in a devious manner.

                I mean, I wouldn't say that to someone asking if those "As seen on..." graphics work, without additionally stating that they shouldn't use them insidiously. I'm pretty sure they can have the desired effect in some cases, with certain people, but just because it might work, it doesn't mean it's okay to use them.

                Of course, it's not all about deceiving those who don't know any better ... it's about drawing suspicion from those who do know better. And if you're using those letters in a way that people recognise as being a transparent attempt to deceive them and gain their trust, then it can definitely work against you (just as those "As seen on.." logos often backfire for the same reason). In that case, better to leave them out, I think.

                That's all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    I'll complete my schooling next year. And then I'm
    looking forward to pursuing a graduation in Computer
    Sciences, parallel with my IM biz..

    Karan
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  • Profile picture of the author betteseo
    I have a BA in English with minors in Creative Writing and Art (Sculpture).
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    I haven't been to college or University i left school at 15 and started full time work straight away
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay White
    Degree from Southern Illinois University at Carbondale (home of the Salukis--GO DAWGS) in Communications with a specialty in Radio/Television Sales and Management. Minor in Advertising.

    Use some, but very little of what I learned in college classrooms, but a LOT of what I learned in college interpersonal relationships. To me, it was more about the experience than a piece of paper I could hang in my office (which, BTW, is sitting in a closet somewhere).

    Everything I learned in the copywriting game came from experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
    Receiving my education right now. Glad I am doing so.
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  • Profile picture of the author aero1220
    I am 19 and have no college education of yet..
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  • Profile picture of the author somacorellc
    I'm close to a Master's in Psychology. But then again I work in IT and am doing IM on the side.

    My coworkers do talk to me an awful lot though...
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  • Profile picture of the author mccartyjess
    I have an associate's degree in an unrelated area. Never really used it. Decided to get out of the field about 6 months after getting my degree. Hated it.

    Jess
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  • Profile picture of the author Gregg
    Some college here. I think it is important to have some business background but getting in there and actually doing it will give you much more of an education than most schooling.

    Failure is the best teacher. People rarely experience success right off the bat. Most build off a record of failures, tweaks, and learnings. That will move you up the ladder much faster than a college education. IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author lillyc
    I have three degrees and I am no where close to becoming a millionaire and have no online sales yet. (lol) I have a BS in Communications, Masters of Business Administration (MBA), and an Internet Marketing Masters of Science (IMMS) degree. I can say one thing and that is I owe a whole lot of cash!
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  • Profile picture of the author keepkalm
    I have two bachelors, Political Science & Public Policy, after switching from Computer Science. College was a great experience for me, learned a lot, grew up a lot, I would recommend that everyone who is considering college to go for a quarter or semester and see how you like it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dingo881
      Hey everybody,

      Electrical Engineering / Biomed degree from UCLA. Got out of school and did absolutely nothing in my related field of study. Now Im almost 30 and have my own business. I think college is more about self exploration and relationship building then anything else, most of what is taught in class is not really applicable in the real world. Its all about cram and forget
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  • Profile picture of the author rekerlolz
    Tried college for a little bit ...lets just say it wasn't for me

    20 years old here ..full time IM
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    • Profile picture of the author oDigger
      Got a philosophy degree from Boston University in 2005. Taught me critical thinking skills but was more for the social growing experience.

      I've been full time IM since 2007 and BU didn't teach me anything about about it. That was all homeschool and a strong desire to quit my backbreaking moving job I had to pay the bills after I graduated.

      - Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author KeshaSparks
    Graduated recently and now in IM as my career :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author blue_soda025
    Recently graduated with a BSc in Computer Science. What I've learned throughout my years in college was that I really wasn't that into computer science afterall.

    At least I'm not intimidated by any of the techie aspects of IM though.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    This thread is still going...ha ha. think I've probably answered here, before.

    College or not, you can succeed in IM. That's the cool part!
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  • Profile picture of the author RB
    I received my Advertising BS and Marketing dual major in 1981 - internet B.C. I learned two things I have always carried forward. 1. You must have a unique selling proposition and 2. the best form of advertising is word of mouth (now probably considered "going viral" in IM).

    I discovered my passion, photography, during my college and have run my photography business for about 30 years now.

    When I often interview recent graduates I find that your choice of degree is what determines the value of your degree. So make sure the return on your investment is there. I took only one photography course. I read every book in the library and taught myself everything by doing it.

    I often find recent grads to be encumbered (actually more like enslaved) by college debt. A 23 year old woman carried over 100K in debt to obtain her photography degree. She needed to earn more than me, the business owner, in order to stay ahead of her debt. She was forced to live with her parents, work minimum wage for another photo studio, work a second job in a shoe store and couldn't even think of buying a home or card and starting a family. Indebted servitude. Sad.

    I would have trained her for only half the cost of tuition, lol.

    Another applicant had six good friends she had gone to college with. Of those six graduates, the person working for me was the only one working in the field of photography.

    Some degrees, like photography, require an entreprenueral spirit. Internet Marketing is the same. You must have the drive, the ideas, and then you must do it - usually all by yourself.

    Other degrees, perhaps like engineering, would find that graduate looking in the corporate world for a job, but it would provide a structure to work within, be more routine and likely much better paying.

    I dubbed myself a corporate misfit long ago and I am glad I did. But that attitude is not for everyone. I was lucky to go to college but don't think it is necessary - especially for internet marketing. I only went because I qualified for free tuition/room & board (paid for all the beer by myself though).

    When you look at the earning power of a college degree you must also consider the cost of the degree plus interest AND your earning timeline - those dollars earned later are worth less than the dollars earned in prior years - with or without a degree. You pay with a higher value dollar and you earn with a lower value dollar because of our enemy, inflation.

    I think I heard Obama just paid off his college debt!

    Best of luck to all!

    RB
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  • Profile picture of the author noangel
    I did a B.Soc.Sc with a major in Sociology and Psychology and the Psychology of Marketing
    and then went on to study Law. I loved being at University and the whole campus life.

    Angela
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  • Profile picture of the author randimoore
    I am. I have a BA in Communications and an MS ED in College Student Personnel. I got my BA in 1990 during the first bad recession and could not find work easily. I went back to school a year later for my Masters degree to ride out the recession. Then I worked FT for several years as a Recruiter: 3rd party, Corporate, and then from home.

    It had never occurred to me to work from home before I had kids. I was able to secure a Recruiting gig from home due to my experience when my son was born. I made more money working PT, taking care of a baby, then I did FT. That was a big game changer for me.

    When I burnt out from Recruiting, I started looking at other online ventures and what I can do to continue to work from home. Some good, some learning experiences, etc.
    But, they at least helped me figure out what I want to do and what I don't want to do (which is work in Corporate America for an employer ever again).

    I would not take away what I learned from college. It was a great experience, something I will always have, will always be able to fall back on, etc. It was definitely worth it. I grew so much as a person from the experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonathan8
    I have a master degree in computer science and bachelor in networking

    I'm a full time IMer and I'm happy with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougHughes
    Got a master's degree from a good school. Not making millions yet, but making above average income (six figures).

    Did my education help? Hmmm...in some ways yes, in others no.

    I work with very successful clients. Many earning multiple millions per year with direct response. Most of them are not college educated.

    Really, I've met many people in my field without college degrees.

    You know what they say, "College educations dull diamonds but polish pearls."
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  • Profile picture of the author tracy821
    Bachelor's degree in Biology and Master's in counseling-and a head full of useless trivia!
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  • Profile picture of the author NoviIM
    Hey Shane, I finished college about 10 years ago.

    Seems like a lifetime lol

    Take Care!

    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

    I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Happy marketing,

    Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I have a degree in Education from a University in Waxahachie, Texas. Can anyone else here say that? I thought not.

    Though I think I've learned more from being a compulsive reader than I ever did in school. I had a 6th grade teacher tell me once that I "read too much." Huh???
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  • Profile picture of the author Deveron Hilgers
    I'm currently in college =) I'm doing a bachelors in International Business and Management Studies, I'm planning on continuing my studies in America after a year of working, that's why I'm here! To earn my American dream studies!

    Scylin
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  • Profile picture of the author Joyful Thiek
    I graduated with a Metallurgical Engineering degree from a reputed institute, joined a metals firm for 10 months as an engineer, quit and am now doing IM full-time.

    I'm awe-not-so-some!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Barker
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

    I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Happy marketing,

    Shane
    Hey Shane,

    Sounds like your busy! I share your story.

    I am 28 year old with 3 young daughters. I have a Bachelor's in Business Management and Organizational Management and am currently working on my MBA. I don't really want to do it but I figure it is the best thing.

    I also work as an entrepreneur in IM while still working full time as a plant manager for a global company.

    My main issue is time management and making it work. You know, since starting in IM not too awful long back I am having success considering the time that I have to work on my business and eventually will be working in IM full time while living my dreams. It is no easy task but I am glad that I am busy and will be able to say soon that it has all paid off.

    Good Luck in your endeavors and I admire people like you! We have to keep each other going.

    Jeremy
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  • Profile picture of the author abigailmarketing
    Hi Guys, same here. I'm a college graduate in BS Industrial Engineering and now having a living with Internet Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abigaileva
    I have a degree in computer science and going to get master of business administration.
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  • Profile picture of the author michalsemen
    I have been graduated some years back and now days and now days working with some internet marketing firm. Study or you can say a professional degree in the current era is directly proportional to handsome career.
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  • Profile picture of the author smear
    Yes I am college educated and just started my career but i think so that every or mostly millioniars are even educated. because i seen many people who had only school but still millioniars.
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  • Profile picture of the author zj2431
    l was,now l am an office man.
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  • Profile picture of the author blueberries
    I have an associate’s degree in Film and Video production and a bachelors in broadcast communication.


    I’m so sick and tired of school.



    My friend said she going all the way for her PHD. I wish her the best. The only reason she's getting it, is because she likes the way Dr. Elizabeth sounds . Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    Bear in mind that many successful folks didn't finish college, Bill Gates dropped out to start Microsoft, it's all about the mindset
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric 90
      Honestly Guys,
      Who cares about College ore what ever the System wants you to do. The question of the 21.Century is cane you deliver the results ore have you achieved the result. No one cares how you do it aselong ase it is legal and people who ask questions like that look insecure and should learn how to lead. Please focuss on other erias.
      Eric
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      • Profile picture of the author hikerguy777
        College does matter. It does. Whether you choose to acknowledge that reality or not is up to you...but the vast majority of white collar jobs in the IT world require it.

        So does effective communication and knowing how to use spell check
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  • Profile picture of the author mediaspree
    Graduated in 2001 with a degree in Computer Science and Digital Art. Went on to a 10 year soul sucking career while building up my IM business at home. Glad to say the IM is now my main source of income but I don't think I would have been able to do it without my education.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If my wife and I are truly one... then Im a Quantum Physicist...

    But if not, Im still just an 8th grade dropout, with 20 pound cahones that he has no business walking around with!
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Yeah eight grade was the greatst 4 years of my life.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Yeah eight grade was the greatest 4 years of my life.
        Dont trust this guy!:rolleyes: he knows it was 5.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scouser
    Take your time, listen, learn, you'll be fine. Read everything that the Warriors have got to say, and don't buy anything. All you need is to do is listen/read what the Warriors say/do.

    All the things that you will be influenced to buy are right here in the Forum, for free.

    These Guys and Girls are brilliant.

    Listen to them.

    Forget about paying for stuff, you'll learn it all here....
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  • Profile picture of the author EricDelano
    I'm a college graduate but I def. didn't learn real world practicality until I left and got my hands dirty.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetloleypop
    I am a 4 year computer science graduate in the same as you trying to make money here in IM.Have a goodluck to all of us here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunfyre7896
    Received my bachelor's a couple years back. Luckily no debt due to grants, but far from a millionaire.
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  • Profile picture of the author design2convert
    I have also bachelor degree from college three years back and now working in marketing field and enjoying my work now also studying with it too.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyellis061
    You find all these factors in school, also in other places if you know where to look.I never did like college. I guess school wasn't for me. I'm doing more than fine though, some people are too smart for school. The skills you learn socially, the motivation, dedication it takes to success.
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  • Profile picture of the author ibnujusup
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

    I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Happy marketing,

    Shane
    i have a degree in biomedical science... and i'm interested in IM... weird combo :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    im not and its pretty irrevelant a college degree so im happy
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    • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
      I just saw an article on the Forbes site about billionaires who dropped out of college, or didn't go at all. Interesting stuff.

      Forbes 400: The Self-Made Billionaire Entrepreneurs Who Said No To College - Forbes
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
      Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

      im not and its pretty irrevelant a college degree so im happy
      That sentence kind of says it all. Its always the ones who didn't who say it doesn't matter. How much grade school do you have to miss to construct a disaster like that one.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMWinner
    Add me to the 80%, I just finished my Master's Degree last year. Although I am still have my daytime job as a university faculty, I am interested in the IM world and is now planning to make a transition from full time to my daytime job, to being a full time IMers.

    My degree is not connected with what I do in the IM business, but still, I am doing my IM for almost 5 years despite being a part-timer for that year. People might say that our degree has nothing to do with our IM business, but we still spend our time in the IM world.

    But I wouldn't say that it is an assurance that a degree would guarantee success, since it should be from the person himself and not by the degree earned. There are those who finished their degree but are not successful in their career, and there are those who finished their degree that are successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profitpoet
    I have a Degree in Business Management with minor in computer information system, graduated 2000. Started master program 2007 in marketing but dropped out to start my own landscaping business.
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  • Profile picture of the author princecapri
    I am starting a PhD next month, in the cold winterland called Finland! Exciting times actually, but its also a test. See, I have problems focusing on one task, and a PhD would be the right cure.

    Either that, or I will completely f*ck up my next 4 years, marry a Finnish blonde and spend my evenings quietly drinking vodka and reindeer meat.

    Could be worse!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
      Just thought I would update this post. I completed my 4 year degree in 3 years. I now have my BS in Marketing and I'm going back this fall to earn my MBA.

      Did it pay off?

      Well...I'm currently working on a project that will launch mid-late June. It's BIG. And the idea came to me while I was in a marketing class last semester.

      So...I think it'll pay off just fine.

      Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        There are reasons that the 80% who are millionaires have college degrees.


        People who attend college tend to be people with supportive parents (although this isn't always the case). Meaning that the parents attended their play in 4th grade, were involved in school functions...and generally enjoyed school.

        So college is a natural extension of that experience.

        College educated people tend to be more social and have higher expectations of themselves. Again, not always...but it's a trend.

        And there are plenty of millionaires that made their money because of their profession where a college education was required. You know, doctors, lawyers, CPAs....that sort of thing.

        And, we tend not to read and study much after we get out of school (unless required by our profession), so college extends that requirement of learning more.

        So I completely see the "80% of millionaires...."

        But....I'm a millionaire (just barely) and I never went to college. I didn't even go to my own high school graduation. High school was a real nightmare for me. I was the antithesis of cool.

        But I have a business library that fills a large room. I study, test ideas, teach what I find.

        Of course, I'm 58 now. So having some wealth isn't all that impressive.
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    Graduated last year

    It's definitely worth it to have that degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

    I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Happy marketing,

    Shane
    I am not. In fact, I finished high school last year. I am the youngest in my family and the first to finish high school - everyone else dropped out. But everyone in my family is very smart regardless of their lack of degrees.

    Then again, I am not a millionaire, yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author teresarothaar
    I have a BS in Mathematics Computer Science from Temple University. I graduated over two years ago, and I've never been able to obtain work in the IT field.

    I'm over halfway through the MBA program at Wilmington University. I feel this degree--actually, what I'm learning in my classes--will be far more useful to me than my STEM degree.
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