Who here is college educated?

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That's it for the question.

I'm 32 years old, married with 2 kids, a small business owner , full time student (working on a degree in marketing) and trying to make a living with IM.

I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.

I read a book called "the Millionaire Mind". From the same author of the Millionaire Next Door.

His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

Happy marketing,

Shane
#college #college educated #educated
  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Just graduated a few years back!
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    • Profile picture of the author mithunchetan
      Many people make the false belief in thinking that studying psychology is strictly limited to a person pursuing one type of profession, this being a licensed psychologist. They are not aware that there are actually many different career choices that a person can obtain going into this discipline and it isn't just being a psychologist or therapist.
      Once someone has made it into being an undergraduate student studying Psychology can be a great way to not only enhance a person skills of learning more about human functioning, but they will also learn more about different personalities and how to work effectively with different types of people. This knowledge is useful in many different careers, so much so that many employers seek undergrad students that have psychology degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I'm college educated.

    Bio-Medical Engineering, so much for that degree + $120k but it got me to where I am today so no regrets!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tam Chancellor
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post


      Bio-Medical Engineering, so much for that degree + $120k but it got me to where I am today so no regrets!
      That was my major when I first went to college. I didn't like the engineering
      part. I ended up with a BS in Cellular/Molecular Biology with a minor in
      statistics. Haven't used it much, but I do love biology and math.

      Tam
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    I could technically say I am college educated I done college at 16 in england . I will hopefully be going to university in September to do a full marketing degree.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money. Perhaps it gives you some basics to go after the knowledge you need but you definitely don't get the practical ins and outs of being an entrepreneur from college.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money.
        I don't think the OP suggested there is a cause/effect relationship.

        DrGUID nailed it here:

        Actually you don't have to be that smart to get a doctorate, you just have to have the drive to actually finish writing the thesis. Anyone who has that sort of drive has exactly the right skills for IM!
        Perhaps the type of people who go to college share the same characteristics as successful folks -- drive, determination, ambition, planning/vision, taking action, etc. Maybe even risk taking (anyone who's come out of college with a five or six figure debt knows what I'm talking about here -- a big debt and no guarantee your degree will pay for itself ).

        Cheers,
        Becky

        ETA: You can also meet some like-minded folks in college. Those connections can come in handy later in life, no matter what path you eventually take.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
          Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

          I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

          Anyway,

          Happy marketing,

          Shane
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          • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

            I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

            Anyway,

            Happy marketing,

            Shane
            Ah, very glad to hear it Shane. (the Dan Kennedy part).

            I got a gud edumacasion aright - Bachelor in Business focusing on marketing... honestly it was fun, I enjoyed it, and it gave me a new way of thinking about things, but beyond that, I could do without it in what I'm doing today.

            The marketing education you're getting from DK is FAR superior to what you're likely getting at college. I know my marketing courses were all about choosing focus groups, creating surveys, and big picture stuff. Great if you're going into the corporate world. Useful, to a point, but honestly I think the biggest marketing skills you can ever develop are copywriting, and on a broader sense, direct response style marketing. Which they will never teach in college.

            Today on a daily basis I use skills that I've learned from people such as DK. My degree doesn't really factor into my day to day, however I do give it credit for teaching me how to think analytically about business situations.

            But seeing as you're there already - enjoy it. Like you say, there's not a huge downside to college (except perhaps when you count opportunity cost .

            Cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Murphy
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

            I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

            Anyway,

            Happy marketing,

            Shane
            For once I agree with Dan, whoever it is..:p
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          • Profile picture of the author Nicky Papers
            Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

            Hey folks. Thanks for the responses here. I told my wife, (who pushed me to go to college to begin with) that I saw no downside in having a college degree.

            I too thought the marketing degree might help me. But I'm also a Dan Kennedy student, and he really never has anything good to say about college.

            Anyway,

            Happy marketing,

            Shane
            I have a 4 year degree in education. I started an MBA in marketing and never went back....

            There is never a downside to acquiring knowledge. Remember, formal education has a heft price tag. If you truly believe that the program will advance your career, then take the leap. If not, keep the learning going on your own time.

            Many people forget how important professional development is!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money. Perhaps it gives you some basics to go after the knowledge you need but you definitely don't get the practical ins and outs of being an entrepreneur from college.
        I have a doctorate; but everything I needed to learn about life I learned in Kindergarten and everything I learned about money I learned in my businesses.

        By the way, it took many years after college before I got my real MBA (Massive Bank Account)
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        • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
          Yo.

          Degrees in psychology and communication, neither of which are really what I do but have come in fairly handy.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
            I have a degree in Aeronautical Science.

            *break*

            Kirahster,

            I will create 1 health related product per month between now and May 2010
            Just wondering how your product creation is doing?

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            • Profile picture of the author webwriter
              I hold a bachelor's, master's and doctorate in education, and still enjoy learning. This, from a person who hated grade school and high school and had every intention of dropping out of school.

              College was a different story, though. I LOVED it! My grades were pretty good too.

              My mom once said that education is not heavy and that it cannot be taken from you once you have it.
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            • Profile picture of the author EquestrianGal
              I have a Bachelor of Science degree - but my degree has nothing to do with IM OR my current career. Guess I just can't decide what I want to do when I 'grow up'
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              • Profile picture of the author keyaziz
                BSc in Psychology which I got back in 2006. Next year I am planning on doing my masters sincre my son will be 3 then Since 2006 though I have been studying other things..I really love learning...love love love it. If I am not learning I am not living!
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            • Profile picture of the author Forest_Parks
              I left school at 16 (in England) and pursued a career in Graphic Design building form the bottom up and ending up as a well paid design manager at a reputable firm.... then I cracked and got sick of the corporate side of things... I moved to Canada, got a job in a bar and then that is when I found IM.... (I'm 28 now btw).

              Not I Internet Market and build sites for clients..... I am thinking of going to college but it's unlikely it will be related to IM or Graphic Design. I am thinking of doing Animal Behavior or something that interests me like that.

              I have a lot of respect for people who have completed college to any level.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
              Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post


              Kirahster,



              Just wondering how your product creation is doing?

              Kevin

              Thanks for the interest Kevin.

              The product creation is actually going a lot easier than I thought it would. I have 3 product created and plans for 3 more. I am focusing currently on driving traffic to 2 of the sales pages that I have created. That is a lot more time consuming than the product creation! I am writing articles and building links like a mad woman!!
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            • Profile picture of the author aduer
              Electrical/Computer Engineering and MBA
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            • Profile picture of the author Edk
              I am college educated but it's an over-rated pasttime. Meeting people you wouldn't otherwise have met, and having a relatively relaxed time for 3 or so years, that's about all that's to be said for it in my opinion.
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            • Profile picture of the author dougp
              Good point you made op. Contrary to belief, being college educated can can help you become rich. Just look at all of the world's billionaires, most of them went to college or inherited their fortune from their parents who were well educated. Also, dont give me that mumbo jumbo that Bill Gates never finished college. What school did he went to again?

              Doug
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            • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
              Ph.D. in Linguistics, Masters in Journalism and another one in Creative Writing ;-)

              And believe it or not, the stuff I learned is coming in handy, especially when it comes to copywriting.

              Even though I sometimes think I should have gotten a marketing degree instead of the one in creative writing. But then I've been studying up on marketing on my own (and with the help of the excellent teachers right here in the Warrior Forum).
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            • Profile picture of the author BenBrandes
              I never went to College (AKA University). I left high school then went straight into business.

              You learn more by doing than studying so I jumped straight into the deep end
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            • Profile picture of the author T.R. McCarroll
              Old guy with a degree in business management .. marketing classes in college where a joke ..... now the law classes were the best .. made you think on your feet ..still thank the professors for that ... should of been a lawyer ... hmmm ... never too old ...did get an A in drinking and raising hell

              Granted it was '70's money but I would do it again .. changed my life .. put me years ahead of the people I knew that didn't go.
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            • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
              Bachelors in Science of Nursing (BSN), Assoc. in Business Admin. My struggles through my education warped my mind into being the successful person I am today, it wasnt the education that made me who I am, but the struggles and how I dealt with them.

              I of course couldnt get any type of financial aid through school and it sucked big time. While people I knew were getting a hand out from some source, I had to change the way I thought in order to "make it." I had to figure out how to make money with absolutely nothing, and then how I could turn whatever I made into even more money. By the time I got my degree, and a job, I was already making what someone else was willing to pay me. Now Im in the situtation where I went to school for several years, paid it off already, and don't want to just quit my job to work at home completely because I dont want to feel like I wasted money on my education but I pretty much did. However having the double source of income is nice, my lack of time is not nice at all. If somehow my online businesses fail, I could always fall back on being a RN.

              The vast majority of people who are wealthy are people who had a lot of dedication and focus in what they do or once did, including their education which is just an investment. Its all cool and amazing when someone who is uneducated becomes a millionare, but that person usually has those qualities I just mentioned, and those are common qualities in people who complete a university level education. Thats why so many people who are wealthy are the way they are, even if they are now doing something that is completely unrelated to their education.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ruth Hendrickson
              I have a masters degree in psychology but am not a millionaire ... yet ...
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            • Profile picture of the author kfilliez
              I got a taste of 4 colleges before graduating from the University of Nevada, Reno.

              I spent 1 year at California State University, Chico...That was lots of fun
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            • Profile picture of the author robinter
              Education is always a good thing, but you should always go for the things that you want and like.
              Not for the things other people want and like for you.
              Just my 2 krona.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
              I was educated at college 25-30 years ago, but nowadays, I don't think that anyone who's been educated in a university in England can hold up their hand and say that they've been "educated".

              To get people "past the post" and make the system look good, generally the whole system here in the UK is so watered down now, that a degree in any field is about as much use as a second-hand car warranty.

              I work in the the motorsport engineering industry. As I said in a post a few months ago, many of the graduates we employ, can't even do simple mental arithmetic, or write a gramatically correct sentence. It's a disgrace (although no surprise under the current Government). Think for themselves? understand problems? that's laughable... take their computer away, and they're lost.
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            • Profile picture of the author reapr
              Yeah yeah count me in I got my 4 years of BS.
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            • Profile picture of the author s.chas
              I have a degree in graphic design and was working on a degree in marketing when my aff biz blew up, after a few really big months, I put school on hold for the time being.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
              Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

              I have a degree in Aeronautical Science.

              *break*

              Kirahster,



              Just wondering how your product creation is doing?

              Kevin
              I should have my degree in Psychology in April. Can't wait to get into IM full time. thinking about doing a masters in MARKETING. Do you guys think I should?
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        • Profile picture of the author TheWealthSquad
          Chemical Engineer BS
          Minor in Psychology
          Variety of other classes in business, management, Six Sigma, etc (Company I worked for was a big believer in continuing education)

          Biggest things I learned?
          1) No matter how complex the system, you can break it down into smaller sections that you can understand and improve on
          2) People are people - learn what drives them and you can help them get it

          I also learned that deadlines matter, sleep is over rated, some people get things quickly and others never do, 2nd shift is a great time to work, no matter what obstacles come at you - adapt and overcome. No excuses.

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          proapc - so true so true. Im ABD and starting to see the fruits of the Ph.D. Affiliate Marketing though was after 6 months.
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          • Profile picture of the author NenadR
            Well, I do have a bachelors degree in Computer Science, Physics and Mathematics... But I really think that things like that do not matter. I have actually used only very little of anything I learned at University.

            But then again, I was to busy getting an education to actually go to lectures.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jec
            I am a graduate of Commerce Major In Business Administration few years back.

            IM for me is just a part time job, hope to be in full time soon.
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          • Did a 1 year stint at a state university. Spent the next 18 months getting a degree in multimedia. I then found out after graduation that my diploma was a worthless piece of paper because the tech school was not accredited and was shut down. Fail.
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      • Profile picture of the author sqnwk
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        add me to the 80% but I'm not really buying that college education is necessary to make good money. Perhaps it gives you some basics to go after the knowledge you need but you definitely don't get the practical ins and outs of being an entrepreneur from college.
        I agree its not the college education that matters, but more so that the traits that college educated people have, to earn a college education you have to be some what smart, work hard along with commitment and perseverance. The same traits that make people successful in life and allow them to become millionaires.

        For the record, I have a college degree in Economics.
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        • Profile picture of the author netkid
          I have a BA in liberal arts...class of 78.

          I do believe that a college eduation can be helpful for IM'rs because, whether related to marketing or not, the social experience and the learning methods you are exposed to while there is priceless.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    Hi guys

    i was educated at university and left in 2006 and built my internet marketing business whilst studying.

    I find that a lot of students jump into internet marketing whilst at uni because they want flexible income streams.

    kind regards


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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    I graduated for graphic design a while back. I'm currently 21. Now I'm into internet marketing full time.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamchrisgreen
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      I graduated for graphic design a while back. I'm currently 21. Now I'm into internet marketing full time.
      Mine was in graphic design as well. Except i'm 32, so when I learned design we didn't use the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    I really do have a PhD, and I didn't buy it online lol.

    I'm not sure it has helped my career that much. Actually you don't have to be that smart to get a doctorate, you just have to have the drive to actually finish writing the thesis. Anyone who has that sort of drive has exactly the right skills for IM!
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    • Profile picture of the author kchickeymonkey
      I'm not college educated, but I'm also not a millionaire. I have 4 kids, 29 years old, and just started IM 1 1/2 years ago. Hopefully no college won't have an impact on my success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr.Williamstn
        I am college educated. I have a B.A in nutrition and dietetics. I started IM in college and I am currently In college getting my masters and I am 21 years old. I also am a college athlete (not all athletes are stupid)lol!! I make a decent amount of money through Cpa because I do mor offline stuff I have good people skills. I have to say college helps I puts you In a diffrent mind frame than non college people. Also I can say It proably won't hinder you If you didnt go to college
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    • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
      Originally Posted by DrGUID View Post

      I really do have a PhD, and I didn't buy it online lol.

      I'm not sure it has helped my career that much. Actually you don't have to be that smart to get a doctorate, you just have to have the drive to actually finish writing the thesis. Anyone who has that sort of drive has exactly the right skills for IM!
      I have a PhD and DrGuid is correct. Getting a doctorate is quite difficult but the difficulty is in staying motivated rather than the actual work involved.

      For example:

      Unless you are gunning for an academic career* having a doctorate is pretty much useless. An exception is if you plan to write popular (rather than academic) books on any subject. Publishers like to have Dr. So-and-So on the cover because it lends not only the writer but the subject more credibility.

      As you are writing you are painfully aware that including you probably less than 5 people will ever read the final thesis.

      For all the talk of 'making a real contribution to the field' most PhDs don't and by the time you're submitting it, you know that it's totally inadequate.

      *Even if you do want an academic career, a PhD alone won't get you one. It's just something you're expected to have. You need published papers more than anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
    I have a degree in Biochemistry. It was worth getting it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LeapingHorse
    Finance degree in undergrad and MBA afterwards. Definitely happy with my choice of degrees (despite the debt it got me in!)

    Does it help with IM?

    I would say so - many aspects can be applied (marketing, finance, leadership etc)
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    I started College but hated what I was doing and started full time work instead. I am possibly going back and starting again midyear or next, not sure what I am going to study though.

    As for going to college = huge wealth,

    the jury is still out on that one, obviously if you want to be a scientist, doctor, lawyer etc you need to go to college but if your planning a career in sales and marketing, your best bet is to save your money and go get a job in marketing such as D2D or B2B or IM and you will learn the same stuff anyway as you go along.

    In college you learn theory and do maybe a short internship, but you dont really start learning till you start doing. And spending 3-4 years in college can actually be a set-back time wise in regards to building a buisiness, because you are 3-4 years behind where you could be (hope that made sense)

    If anything, go to college for the social aspect.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
      A college education may not equal great wealth - there are certainly some career paths that will make you rich as any Fortune 500 CEO can attest.

      However, in the U.S., it has become a necessity to have at least a bachelor's degree. In a tough market, even entry level jobs
      either require or prefer a college educated candidate.

      And college graduates do earn more than high school grads.






      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      I started College but hated what I was doing and started full time work instead. I am possibly going back and starting again midyear or next, not sure what I am going to study though.

      As for going to college = huge wealth,

      the jury is still out on that one, obviously if you want to be a scientist, doctor, lawyer etc you need to go to college but if your planning a career in sales and marketing, your best bet is to save your money and go get a job in marketing such as D2D or B2B or IM and you will learn the same stuff anyway as you go along.

      In college you learn theory and do maybe a short internship, but you dont really start learning till you start doing. And spending 3-4 years in college can actually be a set-back time wise in regards to building a buisiness, because you are 3-4 years behind where you could be (hope that made sense)

      If anything, go to college for the social aspect.

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author dcristo
        Originally Posted by MerlynSanchez View Post

        And college graduates do earn more than high school grads.
        What a sweeping generalized comment. Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by dcristo View Post

          What a sweeping generalized comment. Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
          Some of them don't have a degree. But the average lifetime earnings soar with a college degree to more than $1million over the average lifetime earnings with a high school diploma. As mentioned earlier in this thread many of the most successful entrepreners regretted not having a degree and have returned to obtain it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Bradley
          I studied Hotel and Catering Management at college.
          To be honest,I've learned most of my skills from
          'the school of hard knocks' and the 'university of life'.
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        • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
          In the U.S., on average, every year of post secondary education equals an increase in lifetime earnings.

          A high-school graduate will earn approximately $1M USD in his/her lifetime vs. $2.1M USD for a college graduate or $4.4M USD for someone with a doctorate.

          "Some" of the richest entrepreneurs may not have degrees but they are the exception not the rule.



          Originally Posted by dcristo View Post

          What a sweeping generalized comment. Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by dcristo View Post

          Some of the richest entrepreneurs don't have a college degree.
          Yes ... they're the tiny minority whom everyone talks about. The exceptions who prove the rule.

          As observed above, the ones people typically talk about are those who had the drive and academic qualifications to have got into Harvard and MIT and so on in the first place (before they dropped out).

          And some of them are now endowing educational scholarships with some of their money, to ensure that as few people as possible repeat what they regard as their mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebarksmeow
    I'm not college educated. Did a little technical school stint back in 2000. I'm 28, not married, and have an 8 year old daughter. It is a big ego boost to know how much I make without a college education.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Marshall
      I have a college education. I loved the college years! My degree has helped me to get more J.O.B. opportunities, but I don't think it has helped me too much when it comes to IM.

      You should get a degree if you can afford it. Some degrees are better than others. I got a business finance degree, but I have found that having a general business degree has only helped me get my foot in the door for interviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author eclario
    I am 3/4s of the way done with my Ph.D. So, yea a few of us are educated
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    I just wanted to know how many of the gurus and warrior members are college educated.
    It's also worth asking how many of us have a degree somewhat related to marketing - e.g. marketing (duh), business administration, economics - and what level of degree we have.

    I have an associates degree in Occult Science. Not even remotely related.

    It's an applied science degree. AAS. That cracks me up. It should be a specious science. Then I could sign my correspondence "Caliban Darklock, ASS."

    Some people say I should do that anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

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        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

        KJ

        Many with a college degree have degrees in those schools as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

        KJ
        Which reminds me -- have you put in that application to be FEMA director yet?

        Cheers,
        Becky
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        • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          Which reminds me -- have you put in that application to be FEMA director yet?

          Cheers,
          Becky
          Yup, they said I was 'over-qualified'...

          KJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Hi all,

        Mechanical Engineer (without phD), graduated anno... more than 40 years before, postgraduated in Business, Marketing and Empowerment.

        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        No college, but I do have a Masters in Disasters from the University of Hard Knocks.

        KJ
        LOL ... I'm also a student of that 'university' in all my life. And I can say that you may learn in the practical life much than in the schools. It is necessary to train yourself always because of the accelerated changing in the world.

        And I have to admit that as the time making progress I notice how little I know. So 'sharpen your saw' people.

        All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author Toby Lewis
    Civil Engineer here.

    Hardly related to marketing, but it's a hell of a fall back
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  • Profile picture of the author MANNSK
    I'm a Penn State Nittany Lion for life.

    Unfortunately, the job market in the US hasn't been really friendly to those just entering, so I haven't had the best luck finding a job.

    Researching and learning about IM is a back up plan of sorts. At the end of the day, I may have a nice stream of passive income. At best, I may not have to worry about a 9 to 5 job at all. We'll see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author zcx
      Originally Posted by MANNSK View Post

      I'm a Penn State Nittany Lion for life.
      Me too! BA, PSU 1971. We are ...... (now you holler back "Penn State!" :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author JBorhez
      Originally Posted by MANNSK View Post

      I'm a Penn State Nittany Lion for life.

      Unfortunately, the job market in the US hasn't been really friendly to those just entering, so I haven't had the best luck finding a job.

      Researching and learning about IM is a back up plan of sorts. At the end of the day, I may have a nice stream of passive income. At best, I may not have to worry about a 9 to 5 job at all. We'll see what happens.
      I'm proud to say that I am also a Penn State graduate. I actually grew up in State College. My college years were the best but never did anything with my degree. I've been in LA for 10 years and "doing" IM for the past 2 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    M.A and PhD I.P ... too much to do any good IMO ... LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author eclario
    Dude - this is not a full time job. This is often the extra-curricula!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I'm with Joe. Bill. Whomever that is up there ^^^ LOL

    Nope, no college here. If I'd have had a choice, I wouldn't have finished high school and would've just whipped through a GED course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ty Neal
      Originally Posted by Lisa Gergets View Post

      I'm with Joe. Bill. Whomever that is up there ^^^ LOL

      Nope, no college here. If I'd have had a choice, I wouldn't have finished high school and would've just whipped through a GED course.
      LOL I agree, I told my wife the other day I should drop out of high school and study IM
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  • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
    I have a degree in Business Management, with a minor in Computer Programming, however, the degree is pre-internet, therefore, not worth much these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author knowwow
    I majored in Philosophy with minors in Copywriting and Film Studies.

    Left MS programme in Information Technology for MBA [somewhat regrettably]. I was this close to completing that only I had to create a "friends for sale" page design for my future mother-in-law and so I missed deadline for project presentation (happened 2 weeks ago, still aching).

    I will probably do Phd as well, because otherwise I will have to serve in the army (at least 6 months). I can't just leave in the middle of all my efforts.

    The most helpful of all these IM-wise was studying Philosophy while doing other things. I am sure analytical + lateral thinking can get you places in this industry (watch out for me!)

    I am like seeing things as Neo sees the hallway in Matrix code, seriously...

    I am just playing

    If I get to get a very comfortable life style, I see myself getting all the college education I can get. I wouldn't mind studying HR, International Law, Architecture, American Literature, Cognitive Sciences, Cultural Administration etc. etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Half of a business degree followed by several sales-related jobs followed by a Bachelors in Agricultural Engineering. Paid the bills with commission sales, made pocket money selling tutoring services and betting on horses...
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  • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
    I dropped out of a degree course a few years back. Didn't learn my lesson though. Now studying for my Masters degree instead.

    Does it help with IM? Hell no, but when it's finished I'll get to wear a cap and gown and have my pic taken holding a rolled up piece of papter. That's gotta count for something surely?
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    • Profile picture of the author knowwow
      Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

      I dropped out of a degree course a few years back. Didn't learn my lesson though. Now studying for my Masters degree instead.

      Does it help with IM? Hell no, but when it's finished I'll get to wear a cap and gown and have my pic taken holding a rolled up piece of papter. That's gotta count for something surely?
      If you are in a social sciences department... for one thing... you get to write essays all the time. You get to make a hypothesis, give arguments, give counter arguments and defend against them, summarize the whole thing.

      That surely is good exercise when creating and marketing your products (or marketing someone else's products.)

      You need to do research for many things. And I think "research" is a big skill for a marketer.
      You get to be social in student clubs, parties etc. and relationship skills are improved there.

      Not saying that any of these can only be done in a college environment. But that you are graded (by professors [classes] or by your peers[social]) is a big motivator. And one gets to learn by experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
    BS
    MEd

    Not required for success but, all things being equal, the personal characteristics required for academic success (focus, commitment, etc...) are also important in business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yadira Barbosa
    I'm an Electronic Engineer with specialty on digital systems and also have a degree on strategics sales. But I'm happiest on IM than working for a big company
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    I gained a degree in English
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    Got a degree and a Chartered Management Accountancy qualification.

    However, it has served me no purpose and i feel it actually put me 10 steps back as it delayed my learning of real business.

    Education in todays day and age is a sure fire way to start your working life already deep in debt from Student Loans etc.

    I'm not saying Education is completely useless, of course not. However, having a collge education is not paramount to anyones business success.

    The majority of millionaires i know have no Eduaction apart from their school years.

    Riz
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    • Profile picture of the author RMC
      In a few months I'll have a degree in accounting, and a minor in marketing.

      Out of 100 or so millionaires all within a one mile radius of where I'm at right now only a couple aren't college educated...and that's because they're professional athletes...oh and one soap opera star.

      From my discussions with various "offline" millionaires... law, business, finance are all great degrees that tend to lead to big money in life. Anytime I've mentioned "accounting" they agree it's very important and a great path to take to get into business at the higher levels.

      Business degrees in general prepare you for the roadblocks in running a big business. The more specific degrees like finance, accounting, tax, law, etc are even more useful to get in the door as a higher up employee.

      Also, if you wanted to buy an offline business, but had little if any formal business education chances are very high you're going to pay too much, and run the thing in the ground.

      In that respects it's opened the door a lot wider to step into more business opportunities. It also gives you a leg up on talking online business to offline clients.

      However, all my online millionaire friends are varied. It doesn't seem to be quite as pertinent. You don't have as many of the associated costs and accounting concerns to deal with when starting an online business. You have development and labor. Build a list, send emails, make money, pay your accountant to sort it out.

      In my experience a general marketing degree isn't all that useful if you want a 9-5. You don't have to work hard to get them, and tons of people have them already so you're not going to stand out for interview selection. But as an entrepreneur it's been eye opening and worth the study. I can relate it to online marketing and it's easier to sort out the people that don't have a clue what marketing really is about.

      Overall, I think the best CEO's have an above average understanding of all facets of business and an ability for independent learning. As a semi-forced learning environment, college doesn't compare to the education a natural drive for knowledge provides, but it does open doors and prepare you for more possibilities in life.

      But like any experience in life, it's what YOU make out of it....
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  • Profile picture of the author DanPE
    Comp. Sc. (Pre-Internet though, but coding is coding, the concepts are the same even if the language is different )
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  • Profile picture of the author fitz10
    I have a masters degree in a field completely unrelated to anything having to do with business, computers, etc. For me it was 100% the right thing to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stefanie
    BA English Lit - university was a blast but it was the 18 years in direct sales that set me up for my career in IM. If you can cold call then IM is a breeze in comparison
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason James
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    That's it for the question.

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.

    Shane
    That's quite interesting.. I would have thought it would have been much less than 80%.

    I went to college for 3 years because thats what everyone around me said I was supposed to do when I was young. I finally smartended up and started chasing my dreams and going after what I WANTED.

    I know Bill Gates and Michael Dell are drop outs and that actually kept me motivated quite a bit on the dark days of building my business.

    I havent ruled out finishing someday.... be nice to say im a college grad.. but right now lifes just great without out.
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  • Profile picture of the author raskal
    I have degree in international business, another in economics. Working on my masters. I feel that a college education is absolutely necessary today. Not just for the credentials but the interaction. I think I learned more valuable information from the people I met and the connections I made then in the classroom. It also exposes you to a wide varity of people...and personalities. A must for being in the business world.


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    • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
      No college education for me. Instead I have always found it easier to learn things if I can immediately apply them in real life.

      I worked my butt off to get an apprenticeship, then took tonnes of short courses over the years and extra work to climb the corporate ladder.

      Same results in about the same amount of time, the biggest difference being that I was earning money over my first 4 years in my industry while others were paying colleges for the privilege of learning.

      1 degree versus 4 years on the job experience ~ about the same in most employers eyes that I worked with.
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    • Profile picture of the author ECMartin
      Well, although I highly doubt that study, maybe most millionaires are college educated, but most billionaires aren't
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    • Profile picture of the author Kai Pei
      I'm college educated.

      But honestly, in college you're forced to wade through a lot of unnecessary crap to study the things you truly enjoy.

      These days, I burn through books and read non-stop to keep my wits sharp. I believe strongly in education. But I'd just as soon recommend that you find a list of books with good reviews on Amazon and then run to the public library.

      That's what I do. I've saved THOUSANDS of dollars on books that I only intended to read once. If I find a gem of a book that I plan to use as a reference for the future, I'll buy it.

      I read a lot of books about marketing, entrepreneurship, copywriting, and the like. Gotta love the library. ENDLESS books for FREE
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      • Profile picture of the author Cherie
        Yes...I'm college educated as well...
        Graduated with a degree in Business Management.

        My business is definitely growing today because of the 'focus' I learned
        in college!

        Commitment to detail, studying and staying on task, as well
        the determination and drive to finish what you started....
        Doesn't hurt to have a positive mindset as well.
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      • I doubt an advanced degree in polymer technology is going to help much in IM, but a number of others degrees certainly will. My programming and adminstration degrees have helped me immensely.

        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I am Hardly edecated, and you may call me Dr. Uhl

        BS (We know what that means)
        MS (More of the Same)
        PhD (Piled high and Deep)

        Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.
        - Will Durant
        A grammatical error, a mis-spelled word, and a punctuation error in one small sentence. Wow! Looks like you should have paid more attention in school instead of espousing your (apparent) argument against it. BTW, that's not even a valid argument. You simply copied and pasted other people's words without making any points, whatsoever.

        And the Will Durant quote is actually an argument for furthering one's education, which obviously you didn't realize, either.

        Originally Posted by ECMartin View Post

        Well, although I highly doubt that study, maybe most millionaires are college educated, but most billionaires aren't
        You mean the billionaires that are 'old' money? Or do you mean the ones that were in college, learned what they could, came up with a great idea, used the college's resources to build that idea, then quit college to pursue that dream, ala Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg (both Harvard dropouts)? BTW, see the first link below and you'll find that only 46 of the Forbes 400 do not have college degrees.

        Originally Posted by Kai Pei View Post

        These days, I burn through books and read non-stop to keep my wits sharp. I believe strongly in education. But I'd just as soon recommend that you find a list of books with good reviews on Amazon and then run to the public library.

        That's what I do. I've saved THOUSANDS of dollars on books that I only intended to read once. If I find a gem of a book that I plan to use as a reference for the future, I'll buy it.

        I read a lot of books about marketing, entrepreneurship, copywriting, and the like. Gotta love the library. ENDLESS books for FREE
        College teaches you the basics of your specialty, then they teach you a little more. Experience, reading, and associations are how you stay on top of your market.

        Interesting reading:

        According to the Forbes 400, only 46 of the billionaires do not have a college degree:

        Billionaire University - Forbes.com

        Here are some big lists of rich people without degrees, though, so those without secondary education can have someone to model, as well:

        College Vs. No College - Forbes.com

        Billionaire College Dropouts

        100 Top Entrepreneurs Who Succeeded without a College Degree

        100 Top Entrepreneurs Who Succeeded without a College Degree - RoySitepu.com
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Bradley J Anderson View Post

          A grammatical error, a mis-spelled word, and a punctuation error in one small sentence. Wow! Looks like you should have paid more attention in school instead of espousing your (apparent) argument against it. BTW, that's not even a valid argument. You simply copied and pasted other people's words without making any points, whatsoever.

          And the Will Durant quote is actually an argument for furthering one's education, which obviously you didn't realize, either.
          You have much to learn, my dear fellow. With a PhD degree in Economics, I espouse education highly, but as of yet my own education is not complete.

          "Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, others just gargle."
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    • Profile picture of the author George Langer
      Bachelor degree in IT four years ago. Can't remember much from it
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    • Profile picture of the author handezengin
      I'm not going to answer all those questions directly for privacy reasons, but I graduated in 4 years from a respected public school in the southern United States. I graduated from their business college about 5 years ago...It is NOT common these days for sure, so I wouldn't get too down about it. Especially 1) if your working a lot to finance this, and/or 2) your degree is really extremely rigorous (Engineering, Statistics, etc.)...I'll temper that by saying you also need to find out what is appropriate - companies usually aren't too impressed with people that take 8 years to finish a History degree unless they have a very compelling reason for doing so.

      Anyway, how did I do it ? Well...After a great first year of college, I followed it up with a horrible second year, and then mediocre Junior/Senior years...Until right before my senior year I never took summer school because I always worked summers, but I found myself having to play catch up if I wanted to graduate on time with my class (recovering from that poor sophmore session). I had to work with my employer to rearrange my schedule to nights in order to take 15 hours of summer school! That was grueling as summer school moves fast anyway...Even still I had to take like 16 and 18 hours my senior year.

      In hindsight, I wish I hadn't have rushed this so much...Taking that many hours really dragged down my GPA - even with an extra semester it probably could have allowed me to have been .25 points higher...My reasoning for going straight through was that my parents, which helped me through college, said "you can take as long as you want in college...but we're only helping you for 4 years." Note, with that being said I worked 30 hours a week my Junior/Senior years (after savings ran out) and always during the summers, but I think its worthy of mention my parents did supplement my income helping out with rent and related expenses, because some are not so fortunate and I don't take that for granted.

      Sooo...it was a tradeoff. Had a taken another semester or two I would have had more debt as opposed to savings I was earning in the workforce. On the other hand it didn't make for much of a senior year and hurt my grades...


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    • Profile picture of the author hotboy18
      I'm a 23 year old senior Criminal Justice major with a minor in Political Science.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    Bachelor of Engineering in Australia Major in Telecommunication and Computer Network but they called it Electrical Engineering.

    A College degree may help but it isn't necessary for making big money. Having a right mind set does.
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  • Profile picture of the author SarahHarris818
    I graduated from Emerson College in Boston with a Bachelors of Science. My major was marketing. I wish I would have been involved with SEO earlier. Although marketing is related, I truly fell in love with internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    I am both college and university educated.
    degree in physics
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    School gives you discipline if nothing else. I'm shocked how much
    I'm able to accomplish while in school and just to get a good grade.

    It's same for online marketing, you have to do the work to earn
    the money (legally).

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  • Profile picture of the author txconx
    I have no degree and have regretted it many times. Can't emphasize enough how important it is to have that piece of paper and it doesn't matter (initially) what your major is when you graduate.

    I used to work with graduate students at a university and I agree with the poster who said it's all about demonstrating that you can finish. Some of the people in the PhD programs were not the brightest bulbs - but they were motivated to put in the time and work necessary to finish. That's what sets those who have a degree (especially an advanced one) apart from those who don't, folks.
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  • Profile picture of the author simbat
    I just start to be $ Dollar educated
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  • Profile picture of the author bertuseng
    I studied or a diploma in Information Technology for 3 years and after that I got my B.Ed Degree in Education in Cape Town.

    To be learned does help you and an education is something no one can take away from you, but experience is even more important I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I was going to answer, but I thought it would be a more telling exercise to have a few people guess what my level of education is.

    What's your guess?

    (I'll answer as soon as there are three guesses)

    All the best,
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      What's your guess?
      I'm guessing like many of us you left the education hamsterwheel for the real world after the four toughest years any child can endure.

      And, of course, I speaking about the fifth grade.

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      • Profile picture of the author bluewillow
        B.S. in Biology, Which I never used. I like IM better, but biology is a thing of beauty. They way all the chemistry works together to create life. It's awesome.
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I was going to answer, but I thought it would be a more telling exercise to have a few people guess what my level of education is.

      What's your guess?

      (I'll answer as soon as there are three guesses)

      All the best,
      Michael
      PHD? Dr. Oksa has a nice ring to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    B.A. Psychology It was expensive and I'm not using the degree, but college was awesome! Best time of my life, and I did learn alot, inside and outside the classroom.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    I dropped out 2 years ago...I was like, I can spend all my time making money online!
    Im 20 now but at times I do miss school allot, but I cant imagine taking any classes serious when I have seen the kind of money online that ive seen.

    I was 17 making $30k a year online and still going to school....be honest...any kid would drop out once you reach the magical age of 18 earning that kind of money!!!
    So I did

    But I do miss the social contacts because IM is lonely man heheh ah well.
    Getting that fat BMW GT 5 this year will give me all the social contacts I need I guess lol
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

    His study showed that over 80% of millionaires are college educated. I thought that was pretty interesting and wanted to put it to the test.
    Two degrees that I haven't used since I graduated. I wish I wouldn't of gone to college and started learning IM at 18. I could of been loaded by now.

    Truthfully, I would never trade the college experience for anything. It was great.

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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    4 kids in our family. 2 with degrees. the 2 without degrees (myself included). The 2 without degrees made 4 times what the 2 with degrees did for 30 years.

    One still does. I am currently self un-employed due to a car accident.
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  • Profile picture of the author remotedb
    College Educated, Comp Sci. So far it's not helping me much in IM though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Formby
    I have just finished a degree in Computer Game Design,

    Foundation Level i still may go back and study time will tell..........

    Mikey
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Got my degree in Business (Bachelor's) with an emphasis in Marketing. The funny things is 99% of my marketing education came from forums, seminars, networking, and just flat-out doing it, not college!!!! Though it was nice learning about the 4 "P's" (and the sometimes mentioned 5th "P"), doing regression analysis, market segmentation studies, market research, how to do a proper marketing survey, etc. That stuff was useful.

    I was a "C" student. I focused more on learning people skills, sales skills, and learning how to network. I started interviewing for jobs when I was still a teenager so by the time my Senior year in college I had well over a dozen job offers. College is what you make of it and my focus was to learn how to deal with people, negotiate, debate, network, and oh yeah, let's not forget, I also minored in pick up / seduction and keg stands......I'm still find that useful.

    RoD
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  • Profile picture of the author sholelimo
    i'm still a student but still burning with ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
    Not to be rude here, but everyone that has a degree is now trying to become a millionaire online.

    I call that opportunity cost and a total waste of money.

    Personally, I would not want to learn from those who teach based on theory and what has been passed down to them from other professors and teachers.

    I lasted 3 weeks at my JC, and then graduated in IM with a MBA (Massive bank account)...

    I had a marketing instructor that never made a dime in marketing/sales, but yet was certified to teach a class about marketing? NO WAY!

    The only class that I appreciated was "business law", because the professor was an actual business attorney so his knowledge was real world.

    I truly believe you don't need a college degree to become a millionaire.

    Magazines, news, articles will aways say a degree pays more, which it does compared to who though?..

    Plus they have to keep selling the system, because colleges are profitable.

    Also what is a millionaire?.....
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      Not to be rude here, but everyone that has a degree is now trying to become a millionaire online.

      I call that opportunity cost and a total waste of money.

      Personally, I would not want to learn from those who teach based on theory and what has been passed down to them from other professors and teachers.

      I lasted 3 weeks at my JC, and then graduated in IM with a MBA (Massive bank account)...

      I had a marketing instructor that never made a dime in marketing/sales, but yet was certified to teach a class about marketing? NO WAY!

      The only class that I appreciated was "business law", because the professor was an actual business attorney so his knowledge was real world.

      I truly believe you don't need a college degree to become a millionaire.

      Magazines, news, articles will aways say a degree pays more, which it does compared to who though?..

      Plus they have to keep selling the system, because colleges are profitable.

      Also what is a millionaire?.....
      There is some Truth to what you say. But I can tell you without ANY hesitation whatsoever that when I got my Degree it opened up way more doors than it would if I didnt. Thats just a fact, like it or hate it.

      Plus, like my dad always said that a College Degree is something that you can carry around the rest of your Life and no one can take away from you. Unlike your house, car, bank account etc.. !!

      That said I do think that a College degree can be overrated in many aspects. There are so many people who have become wildly successful without one.

      But to me its personal pride and I definitely will strive to encourage my children to be Educated with a formal College education.
      I know it may sound kind of unfair but when you meet people in a business atmosphere people just look at you a little differently when they realize you have worked hard to attain a College education and degree !!
      Thats just the reality of things !!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by LeivaMatias View Post

      Not to be rude here, but everyone that has a degree is now trying to become a millionaire online.

      I call that opportunity cost and a total waste of money.....
      Totally disagree with that specific point. I got a lot out of college. Most of my business professors had real-world and experience that taught me a lot. You also have to keep in mind that people, such as myself, attended college for far more reasons than to make money. I was making money from a mail order business in high school and I knew early on in life I did not need college to make money. My family placed a lot of value on education. If I had to do it all over again, I would go again.

      It's only a total waste of money if you didn't learn anything in college and got nothing out of it. Now, I do agree with you that you don't need to go to college to become a millionaire. However, when I have children they are going to college, but I'm going to teach them to be entrepreneurs long before they get there.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    I have a degree in accounting and auditing, and finished my MBA a few years ago. Just some nice diplomas in a pretty frame hanging on the wall.

    Only useful when I wanted a 24/7 full time, stressing job.

    But I found IM and now I have my first $50 commission check in a bigger frame in the center of the room.
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    • Profile picture of the author LeivaMatias
      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      I have a degree in accounting and auditing, and finished my MBA a few years ago. Just some nice diplomas in a pretty frame hanging on the wall.

      Only useful when I wanted a 24/7 full time, stressing job.

      But I found IM and now I have my first $50 commission check in a bigger frame in the center of the room.

      Hey Don't you just love the power of the internet?....

      I did the same thing as well.. Must be a south american thing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Well, that was three guesses!

    The point is that it really doesn't matter.

    People online don't really care.

    You're not being hired, for the most part, based on a degree.

    Not to sound cynical, but how can you even be sure all of the people here have told the truth about their education? (I'm not accusing anyone, just making a point).

    All the best,
    Michael

    p.s. As promised...I graduated high school, barely. I went through the entire ceremony and got a call from the principal the next day. He said I failed a required class and should not have graduated. I told him I already had the diploma, but he had the transcript. So, I had to go back the following week (when all of the seniors were gone) and do enough work to change the F. I ended up with a D- in that class. My four year grade point average was a whopping 1.032!
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Well, that was three guesses!

      The point is that it really doesn't matter.

      People online don't really care.

      You're not being hired, for the most part, based on a degree.

      Not to sound cynical, but how can you even be sure all of the people here have told the truth about their education? (I'm not accusing anyone, just making a point).

      All the best,
      Michael

      p.s. As promised...I graduated high school, barely. I went through the entire ceremony and got a call from the principal the next day. He said I failed a required class and should not have graduated. I told him I already had the diploma, but he had the transcript. So, I had to go back the following week (when all of the seniors were gone) and do enough work to change the F. I ended up with a D- in that class. My four year grade point average was a whopping 1.032!
      A lot in common. I was 51st in a class of 51.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      p.s. As promised...I graduated high school, barely.
      You're in good company Michael...assuming I'm good company. You are wise way beyond your grade level.

      Originally Posted by blalock61 View Post

      Even though I did graduate from college, those are my thoughts exactly. Especially the first paragraph.
      I found your signature amusing in a Churchillian kind of way. To save people from scrolling up, his signature contains, "A shirt I once had read: 'I may be fat, but your ugly, and I can diet.'"

      If I knew someone that wore a shirt like that I'd have one made up that reads, "You can diet, but I can have plastic surgery. It's faster and lasts longer." Then I'd be ready to change into that shirt the next time I saw them wearing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    Masters degree which I never used, but college and grad school were experiences worth more than I can describe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    No college degree, but I've written books used as the teaching text in colleges, tech schools, and high schools. That amuses me a little bit.

    School bored me to pieces. Forced to learn crap that had no discernible value, the politics of popularity and the elitism of instructors, the raging immaturity of my so-called peers, the agonizingly slow pace of education, opinion taught as fact by instructors more interested in indoctrinating students into their beliefs than in teaching students to think for themselves...sigh. I grew weary of it in high school and figured college would be more of the same, so I joined the Navy instead. Believe me, I got a pretty good education, albeit a different kind of education, from that experience.

    Because I didn't go the college route though, doesn't mean I stopped learning. I've been a student all my life. I take classes that interest me. I read 3-4 books a month that interest me and have a purpose other than entertainment. I even passed the preliminary Mensa test, but didn't follow up. I was only interested in how I'd score after receiving an encouraging score on an IQ test.

    A college degree is just a college degree. In many cases, if not most, it's the inherent character qualities that drove a person to finish a degree that is the biggest factor in achieving success in the business world.

    Anyway, the only reason I'm answering this is because most of the answers I saw were from people with degrees, which didn't surprise me. I want those without a degree to be encouraged that you, too, can have great success without a degree. However, if you're just finishing high school and are debating going to college or not, I would encourage you do it. Some doors will be closed to you without that piece of paper.

    Oh, I almost forgot...I'm also on the Marketing Board for Mid-state Technical College, a local tech school here. I've served on it for about 5 years now. Yes, I find that a bit amusing too.

    Edit: I think in some countries "college" is the equivalent of what we call "high school" in the US. Some of us may be talking apples to oranges.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      B.S. Marketing from the 'real UT' in K-town !!
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    • Profile picture of the author blalock61
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      School bored me to pieces. Forced to learn crap that had no discernible value, the politics of popularity and the elitism of instructors, the raging immaturity of my so-called peers, the agonizingly slow pace of education, opinion taught as fact by instructors more interested in indoctrinating students into their beliefs than in teaching students to think for themselves...sigh.

      A college degree is just a college degree. In many cases, if not most, it's the inherent character qualities that drove a person to finish a degree that is the biggest factor in achieving success in the business world.

      Anyway, the only reason I'm answering this is because most of the answers I saw were from people with degrees, which didn't surprise me. I want those without a degree to be encouraged that you, too, can have great success without a degree. However, if you're just finishing high school and are debating going to college or not, I would encourage you do it. Some doors will be closed to you without that piece of paper.
      Even though I did graduate from college, those are my thoughts exactly. Especially the first paragraph.
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  • Profile picture of the author blalock61
    BA: History/Economics. First in my family. My mom had an 8th grade education and got her GED the same year I graduated high school. She really wanted me to get one cause my older brother dropped out of school after bout 3 weeks. I played football for the first few years, but stopped because of injuries.

    I learned much more outside of the classroom than inside. Over half the crap classes you have to take are a waste of time. I thought a textbook was a Beer can or liquor bottle, the inside of a bar or a party was a classroom, and girls and bartenders were professors. Had some good times, I think.

    I was able to graduate though with only $1,500 in debt because I worked (didn't get or want a Pell Grant nor got any of that Sallie Mae/Stafford Loan BS to put me in a bunch of debt).

    I used my degree for a few years teaching/coaching but I hated the teaching part.
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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    still finishing my undergrad. I'm majoring in English.

    I am tempted somewhat by the idea of staying college another two years and do a masters. I know a graduate degree from a top college can open a ton of doors, so it does make sense from a business perspective (even if I end up learning nothing). I mean, if you go to Harvard Business School, that is all the connections you'll ever need in your life.

    For a long time, I was obsessed with succeeding at an early age and making it big before 30 (I'm still 20, so I have 10 more years to go), but lately, I've realized the importance of taking things slowly and having a good time. Getting a graduate degree just ties into this whole philosophy now.

    Let's see how things work out...
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  • Profile picture of the author mahesh2k
    I'm Electronics & communication engineering graduate, but can't go to master degree due to lack of funds(also can't leave the city due to some issues). So along with the full time job working on IM skills to build some biz.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
    I went to College(University)

    Whether or not I was "educated" is a different matter lol

    In all seriousness, though, I really think a college education is very over rated

    I say that because most ciricullum is theory and not real world app.

    I am willing to bet that you will find more money making ideas and education on this forum than they teach in most marketing classes in college(aka university)

    So I guess the take away message would be, don't just rely on the marketing classes or anything taught in higher education...continue using other venues to acquire knowledge that will propel you forward
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  • Profile picture of the author Kautii
    Yes- I have several degrees. I returned to university life at 45 years and completed my Ph.D. when I was 57. Learning the internet workings and the opportunities for helping others is astounding. I run my own clinical private practice four days a week, helping patients become more successful in life and overcome their mental blocks. Dr. Kathleen Fuller
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  • Profile picture of the author nuwav
    Hi all,

    I have a degree in information systems and multimedia. I learnt alot especially how to manage my time and organise my work..which helps alot in a working / business environment.
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  • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
    School drop out... I should have quitted way sooner
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    • Profile picture of the author NickArnold
      BSc(Hons) Degree in Computer Science here.

      I pretty much blagged my way through the degree, if i had ever learned to program properly i could be making all sorts of scripts with the ideas i have now. I only really excelled in web stuff and never cared about the other languages. You live and you learn. Fortunately the web side gave me a steady foundation for this industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      I graduated the 8th grade...They didn't give me a degree for that though, unfortunately.

      In the 9th grade, they kindly asked me to leave and never come back

      Honestly, I'm glad it happened.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I graduated the 8th grade...They didn't give me a degree for that though, unfortunately.

        In the 9th grade, they kindly asked me to leave and never come back

        Honestly, I'm glad it happened.

        And I wonder how many with degrees on here , if completely honest , would cut off their left n.... uhhhh .. pinky to do a 50/50 business with you ?

        Some would never admit it . Some might not even agree with a few of your tactics.

        I think very few would be so blind as to miss the fact that you see things in business that others never think about .

        I have all the kids I am going to have so give me a call if you are looking to "cut " a deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
      This has turned into quite a conversation. I didn't expect over 160 responses. Thanks.

      It's funny, I make time to do all my school work in all 5 classes. I study and take the tests and all that. Probably 12 hours a week or better.

      Maybe I should take another 12 hours a week and write articles. That's the only IM i do now and I make around $200-$400 a month.

      I refuse to use another method until I reach $1000 a month on article writing.

      Thanks for all your posts. They were helpful.

      Peace,

      Shane
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Bachelor of Art - major Graphic Design.
          Bachelor of Science - Major in Information Technology, Minor was business.

          Spending that much time to attain a degree gives you discipline when working towards a goal.
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          • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Bachelor of Art - major Graphic Design.
            Bachelor of Science - Major in Information Technology, Minor was business.

            Spending that much time to attain a degree gives you discipline when working towards a goal.
            You are very correct, but how do you feel about the $$$ you have invested plus the years of your life?

            (With some schools - Oxford for one - the rolodex you build or being a roommate with Al Gore can obviously turn into a fortune later in life)

            If a college student learned IM or something else of value in his/her spare time instead of partying, the waste of years wouldn't be so bad.

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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by PCRoger View Post

              You are very correct, but how do you feel about the $$$ you have invested plus the years of your life?

              (With some schools - Oxford for one - the rolodex you build or being a roommate with Al Gore can obviously turn into a fortune later in life)

              If a college student learned IM or something else of value in his/her spare time instead of partying, the waste of years wouldn't be so bad.

              Regards,
              PCRoger.
              It was one of the best decisions that I have ever made. I use the skills I learned daily. Hardly what I would call a waste. Besides, college isn't just about partying.

              You learn many valuable tools that you wouldn't if you where working on your own.

              For example:

              Teamwork was invaluable. The team projects I had to work on allowed me to learn the dynamics of working with others. Even those that didn't pull their weight within the project. It helped me learn how to motivate other team members.

              For some reason people focus on one aspect of college. They miss out on the social interactions, the discipline needed to get their degree, the way you are taught to research and learn on your own and more...

              We are shaped by our experiences. If the only experience you had when going to college is sitting in a class and taking tests than you lost out on a lot. Luckily for me, I had a lot more to make my experience something that changed me forever.
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              • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                It was one of the best decisions that I have ever made. I use the skills I learned daily. Hardly what I would call a waste. Besides, college isn't just about partying.

                You learn many valuable tools that you wouldn't if you where working on your own.

                For example:

                Teamwork was invaluable. The team projects I had to work on allowed me to learn the dynamics of working with others. Even those that didn't pull their weight within the project. It helped me learn how to motivate other team members.

                For some reason people focus on one aspect of college. They miss out on the social interactions, the discipline needed to get their degree, the way you are taught to research and learn on your own and more...

                We are shaped by our experiences. If the only experience you had when going to college is sitting in a class and taking tests than you lost out on a lot. Luckily for me, I had a lot more to make my experience something that changed me forever.
                Sounds like you were not the typical student; at least from my area.

                When I was in College there were 2 groups:

                1) Party'ers with their college paid for by someone else - didn't appreciate the opportunity
                2) Those of us working our way through college right when the economy was headed into the toilet ('79 thru '82); when we weren't in school we were working to pay the bill. Made it through in 3 years by taking summer classes.

                Mindset was very different back then. Most thought you could get a degree, then get a job at John Deere or IBM and you had it made for life.

                Reality was much different for 99% of my class.

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  • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
    Like Michael, Jeremy, and a few others here I dropped out of high school in the 10th grade. Bored mostly but some other things too.

    So those who think you need to go to college to earn big bucks - no you don't. You should never give 'they/them' that sort of power over you. If you want it - go do it. 'nuff said.

    However, college can be great as well, so don't let folks tell you college sucks either. I went back and got my GED years later and went to several small colleges. As hard as this may be to believe, I was able to cram 4 years of college into only 7, or 8 - well maybe 9 if you count Clemson - but who counts them? I met a lot of great folks at college and most importantly, met a great girl there and I asked her to marry me.

    alas, she said NO.

    She said I was a stubborn SOB and a few other bad words I don't remember. I personally like to think of my self as persistent when pursuing a goal.

    Having said that - we got married 2 years later and we're still happily married (or at least I am) 17 years later.

    I also met some bad teachers whom I've forgotten over the years - as others have said those elitists who think they're better than everyone else, but I met a lot of good profs too who taught me how to learn and think for myself. College is a great place to learn, make connections, and try things out with out many serious consequences.

    One great teacher taught me to think for myself and defend myself. He never let his bias invade his teaching - unlike those elitist profs above. To this day its hard for me to tell if he's conservative, liberal, libertarian or just a smart a$$ - he just instills in you the need to be able to rationally defend your position, whether he agrees with it or not. And 9/10 the sob probably agrees with you, he just wants you to be able to think and defend it yourself. Sort of like a Paul Myers except with a white Goatee.

    So, to make a short story long - I'm a 10th grade HS dropout with a BS in Computer Science.

    peace,
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  • Profile picture of the author TheHappy4
    I have a degree in Office Systems Technology and also in Industrial Electronics. Got my G.E.D. in 1999 and went to my community college.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The problem is that such a discussion cannot be resolved. As I see it, there are only the following possibilities...

    Went to college, and support it.
    Didn't go to college, and don't support it.

    Those two possibilites are imbued with the most bias. People like to prove themselves right, or, don't like to admit they could have made better choices. But we still have...

    Went to college, but don't support it.
    Didn't go to college, but support it.

    At first glance, those possibilities would suggest that there is less bias, but digging a bit deeper, they don't help us to reach a logical conclusion. Their support, or lack thereof, of a college education is based on different experience, but that's all it is.

    In my mind, I don't see any real value in the premise of the original post. There is value, to some extent, in the discussion that follows.

    Have most millionaires gone to college? Maybe. But not ALL of them have. There is certainly a large enough share of broke people who went to college, too. College and income is not a cut and dried case of cause and effect.

    Each person has to decide what's best for them. Going to college is not a sure ticket to wealth. Avoiding college is not a sure ticket to the poorhouse.

    To be fair...

    After going to my oldest's college orientation two years ago, I must admit, I found the idea of going back to school quite appealing. But I would go for enjoyment. I mean they have courses in linguistics, geology, archeology, religion, history of popular music, geography, sociology, psychology, and a bunch of other fun-sounding topics.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The problem is that such a discussion cannot be resolved. As I see it, there are only the following possibilities...

      Went to college, and support it.
      Didn't go to college, and don't support it.

      Those two possibilites are imbued with the most bias. People like to prove themselves right, or, don't like to admit they could have made better choices. But we still have...

      Went to college, but don't support it.
      Didn't go to college, but support it.

      At first glance, those possibilities would suggest that there is less bias, but digging a bit deeper, they don't help us to reach a logical conclusion. Their support, or lack thereof, of a college education is based on different experience, but that's all it is.

      In my mind, I don't see any real value in the premise of the original post. There is value, to some extent, in the discussion that follows.

      Have most millionaires gone to college? Maybe. But not ALL of them have. There is certainly a large enough share of broke people who went to college, too. College and income is not a cut and dried case of cause and effect.

      Each person has to decide what's best for them. Going to college is not a sure ticket to wealth. Avoiding college is not a sure ticket to the poorhouse.

      To be fair...

      After going to my oldest's college orientation two years ago, I must admit, I found the idea of going back to school quite appealing. But I would go for enjoyment. I mean they have courses in linguistics, geology, archeology, religion, history of popular music, geography, sociology, psychology, and a bunch of other fun-sounding topics.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Michael, you make good sense.

      I went to school for awhile, and loved it. Would do it some more given the chance, even at my age! But I don't think that it is the key to anyone's future, any more than all of the internet marketing info-products out there are.

      If someone wants to secure their future, they need to look within, and nowhere else. My mom is one of the smartest people I know, and she never went past the 9th grade, had 3 kids by the time she was 20, and got her GED when she was in her late 30's.

      On the other hand, sometimes I get really jealous of people with advanced degrees.. go figure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Srikanth D
        Bachelor in Electrical and Electronics Engineering..

        Working as a Software Engineer in a TOP IT firm

        Quitting soon to pursue a MBA in US

        A part time - IMer

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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I have a Psychology degree. Comes in handy when writing sales and squeeze pages.

    Not worth a lick otherwise. Wish I had the $50,000 back to invest in my IM business. The partying was fun, though. :rolleyes:

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author brettmwindmann
    hey,

    I finished college. I must say, while I did not learn anything about online marketing, I did learn solid information about how to run a business. I believe the two will go hand and hand very well. Not to mention, college, while stressful at times, was enjoyable.

    Got to room with friends and just enjoy the experience. Going for free because of my grades only helped.

    While I do not believe you NEED one to be successful, because many successful people have done it with out one, I think it is nice to have and something to possibly fall back on.

    just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdanger503
    I majored in Hotel Management, but during the final quarter of my senior year the University eliminated the program. For the 30 of us who were just 3 months away from graduation, the administration moved us to architecture...So now I have an architecture degree even though I know nothing about the subject. Not that it matters much, I've never once been asked by an employer to furnish a diploma.
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      I went college obtained MSc.

      Never gained a long lasting or meaning-ful job in the subject area. It was pretty much waste on time.

      Except helped to change beliefs...'Perhaps I am not useless after all!'
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    I think 80% of undergraduates end up working in a dead end crappy job.... hehe - I've got engineering and IT stuff going on...
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  • Profile picture of the author RWilt
    College educated... yes

    Degree... no

    2 yr certification in HVAC... out of that business now

    Apprenticed with a radio production guy... worked as a radio dj/ promotions director for 2 yrs, then they booted me out for the budget
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    Got a Bachelor's in Environmental Science - fascinating degree program, but not so great for finding jobs. Immediately out of college (with an honors degree earned in 3 years from a top university), all I could find was secretarial work, which forced me to figure out how to earn supplemental income. And that's how my successful business of 3 years was born

    If I had to choose again, I'm tempted to say I'd choose a business or marketing degree, but maybe then I would have been funneled off into some 60-hour a week job breaking my back to climb the corporate ladder.

    Overall, I think that educating yourself is always positive, but that that can take different forms for different people. College isn't an end-all, be-all, but it does have its advantages. I think most people will benefit from the experience in one way or another, although there's no reason you can't be successful without a degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
    I be edumacated!

    I did become a Mechanical Engineer, but now it's all Greek to me. However, I'd say that it's been useful. You may notice my engineering background coming through in the way I love to create systems.

    Was college a waste of time? Definitely not. Sitting out on the commons on a sunny day, with all the pretty girls in mini skirts, having fun, drinking at pub nights ....
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    • Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

      I be edumacated!

      I did become a Mechanical Engineer, but now it's all Greek to me. However, I'd say that it's been useful. You may notice my engineering background coming through in the way I love to create systems.

      Was college a waste of time? Definitely not. Sitting out on the commons on a sunny day, with all the pretty girls in mini skirts, having fun, drinking at pub nights ....
      I also have a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Wasn't so bad since understand Greek .

      It is not what I want to do with the rest of my life but man I would not give those years up for anything! Made alot of great friendships and met my wife and I will never forget being able to see the late Jim Valvano in action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
      Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

      I be edumacated!

      I did become a Mechanical Engineer, but now it's all Greek to me. However, I'd say that it's been useful. You may notice my engineering background coming through in the way I love to create systems.

      Was college a waste of time? Definitely not. Sitting out on the commons on a sunny day, with all the pretty girls in mini skirts, having fun, drinking at pub nights ....
      Kevin,
      You know what they say....."Just 4 short years ago, I could not even spell e-n-g-i-n-e-e-r. Now I are one."

      I, for one am glad you changed careers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
    One of my favorite quotes of all time is "Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune"
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I graduated high school in the top 4% of my class.

    Discovered liquor and wild women.

    Way too much liquor one night found me majoring in changing diapers instead of Physics .

    A divorce at 19 broke me from the liquor .

    A true lady replaced the wild women .

    Wouldn't trade it for any phd but many do say I have a degree in bs
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  • Profile picture of the author BeanCounter
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    I too am 32 years old with 2 kids. Graduated with a degree in Business Management, and decided 4 years of college was all I could take. I don't know how Doctors and Lawyers do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author estatemaster
      Recent college graduate.

      Unfortunately, I was pushed into school for three reasons: 1) parents said they had saved money to pay in full 2) I was told I could not take a year between high school and college without parents pulling all college funding 3) since the 6th grade, everyone told me college is necessary.

      Halfway through school, Mom changed her mind about paying in full, though not for anything I did or did not do. I couldn't see quitting halfway through, so now I get to pay off student loans, too.

      Mostly muddled my way through as I didn't know what I wanted to do, graduated with a Sociology degree (yeah, I know...), have a PT library job, and now I'm finally getting around to doing things I want to do.

      Knowing what I know now: No, it's not necessary. Yes, it can help in the hiring process. It may set you back years. Just do what you want to do, whatever that is.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
    I have an associates degree in accounting, but have taken a lot of other types of classes and courses through the years. I actually love education. I am one of those people who study and test well, and I am also very competitive :rolleyes: so I love besting people in class!

    (Should I not say that?)

    Teresa

    P. S. I do not have a high level degree, and yet my last job I was managing individuals with masters degrees in psychology and counseling. And did a damn good job of it.

    (Of course, then the company closed, and they got jobs and I didn't :confused
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  • Profile picture of the author tjmiller
    Originally Posted by Article-Excellence View Post

    Tjmiller you remind me of myself. I was competitive and liked to be the best at whatever academic endeavour I undertook. A friend of mine at Uni used to call me "the slayer" because Buffy the Vampire Slayer was all the rage back then (am I putting a date on myself here?)

    Since then I have found that there is more to life that marks in a test thankfully but I certainly don't regret those days.

    Yeah, I have settled down a bit with that too. Funny though, back in the 80's when I was in AF Tech School, I was in the running for honor grad of the class, and got a severe case of bronchitis. The doctors wanted to put me in the hospital but I wouldn't go, because I knew I would lose the race!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I am the class of 2010 senior and will be a 2011 freshman (yeah man!)

    Can't believe I have grown up LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    I'm almost halfway through a bachelors in marketing.
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    BSEE from Virginia Tech.
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  • Profile picture of the author superassassin
    You are the average of your 5 closest friends.

    In my circle of friends, the ones that have college educations make astonishingly less than those without. And the ones with the least amount of formal education are making the most money, and what's impressive to me is they are first generation self made multi-millionaires. My friends with college educations are lucky to hover above $60k annually...

    I'm not against college education by any means, but I'm certainly not going to jump out of my way to encourage anyone to go. I guess I have been brainwashed with the belief that all a college education does is groom you to become the best employee in the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Obilex
      4 year degree in both computer and studio art, coloring basically. Kinda pissed I spent all that money on something I now know that I could have taught myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author HayleyWriter
    I'm 34 years old and I have a degree in Communication, plus several "certificate level" courses. I'm currently looking into studying a diploma in training (I have a cert IV). I'm just starting a small business for freelance writing and offering training courses in writing. I figured I may as well combine my two interests of writing and training. I think whether you have a college (or university) degree or not, the smart people who become successful in life are always open to learning new things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    Currently doing a degree in Economics in Business Administration..

    I actually just go to college to experience what is it feels like to go to college. and to have fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Master's in Information Technology Management and a Bachelor's in Finance. Both have come in very handy throughout my life and I've been very pleased with my ROI from the cost associated with obtaining the degrees.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Yes ....

    Masters degree in education (send your WSO's for evaluation, to see if they are written properly
    plus extra credentials in ESL and in ART.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    BA WSU 1989 - GO COUGS!!
    It's not the education, it's your network, the social education, and the "learning how to learn" that makes college the valuable for many people. Obviously that does not hold true for technically oriented careers, such as physicians and engineers.
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  • Profile picture of the author breadtoaster
    Yes, me too! I studied in Marketing!

    But to be the real real fact, you don't really need to be a college or uni graduands to be big bucks on IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author shermancox
    Way more than I need...Got a Bachelor and a Masters in Computer Sci and a Master of Divinity in Homiletics. Helps me with content...but the main work on the internet is marketing so I am trying to come up to speed in that...
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      • Profile picture of the author JonathanBoettcher
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        and of course education itself is what remains when all the stuff you actually learned has been forgotten.
        Just saw that after I posted.. excellent quote Alexa, if it is one. Or if you just made it up, nicely done!
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      • Profile picture of the author Why9999
        M.S.E.E. All the science education has paid off - not necessarily the E.E. part of it - in my niche, where I am operating as a dang-near-authority...

        They make you suffer in college and some of it was even worth it.
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  • I have a degree in business. Two facts, at least for my own case:

    1) Nothing I learned has ever been useful on my online business career. Too much outdated theory, too little real-world application.

    2) I make more money than all my college pals who followed the corporate route, plus I don't have to deal with the daily corporate politics B.S. my pals so often complain about. And, on top of that, I get to work in my underwear!

    Conclusion: if I could go back in time, I'd spare myself with those 5 years of university and I would have gotten into IM way earlier!

    I honestly believe that university degrees are SO over rated: in today's dynamic world, your success is determined by your will and your brains, not by a stamped piece of paper no matter how official and glamorous that paper is.
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  • Profile picture of the author tweetzon
    without a degree , does that mean that you wont succeed? thats the question i been wondering around .
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Millionaire Mind is one of my favorite business/success books. IMHO, it's far better than the more famous precedessor "The Millionaire Next Door".

      I have a Bachelor of Science in Health Sciences from Lock Haven University and an Associate Degree in Physical Therapist Assistant from Harcum College.

      I also ran track (400 meters) at Lock Haven during my first two years there. Track was a 3-4 hour of training per day, on top of a full-time course work... trained me for the future 16+ hour work days that I've done for years.

      Both degrees were helpful in my previous offline businesses. It's also helped me with writing sales copy for health-related products because I'm already familiar with a lot of the medical and health lingo.

      Getting the degrees taught me things like managing multiple projects and priorities at once, goal setting (and accomplishment), and more.

      Just as important, I met one of my best friends at Lock Haven and he introduced me to my wife about 8 years ago.

      None of that would have happened if I didn't go to college.

      Take care,

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin.Zimmerman
    I do not have a degree but I have taken plenty
    of college courses and have partaken in lot of
    seminar training/certifications.

    Great way to open the mind to new ideas but
    not always necessary.
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  • Profile picture of the author mariochase
    I'm Bachelor in Advertising and Publicity.

    But to tell you the truth, I've learned way more things outside of college
    than in classes. I only had a general idea of marketing on school. And that
    is definetly the most important thing of business and advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
    College degree - biology-chem, Plus many graduate hours.

    Best time of my life and I'm convinced that college is important for several reasons, but not convinced that it has that much to do with making a success at IM. Drive, dedication, and following through with projects is what makes people successful online.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichLife
      Bachelors in finance with a minor in economics.

      While I don't use much of what I learned in college in my everyday life, there is one thing that's irreplaceable. In college, I learned how to learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Chemistry/Mathematics MSU.

    The world is run by "C" students.
    --Al McGuire

    American education is to education what the Soviet economy is to economy.

    --Chester Finn

    Blow up the current educational system. The system doesn't work. No more tinkering about the margins. We need to create fundamentally new learning environments... traditional approaches simply won't work anymore.
    --Louis Gerstner, Former CEO, RJR Nabisco & IBM

    The willingness to endure four years in a typical school of education often constitutes an effective negative intelligence test."
    --John Silber

    Why did I leave education? I didn't, it left me.
    --Mike McMillan

    As a former teacher for 14 years, I recall hearing someone say years ago that the the best attributes a student can have to do well in public school are the ability to 1. sit down, 2. shut up, and 3. do what you're told.

    Unfortunately, there might be something to that. The problem being that those are not at all the attributes that go into becoming an entrepreneur and succeeding on one's own.

    Some personal notes for those who don't have a college education: Don't ever be intimidated by someone just because they have a degree. Colleges of education which train teachers are among the very worst curricula in the world, and are taught by many of the worst teachers in the world.

    In five years of college I never once had a professor who made me think. I had many who told me what to think, but not one who made gave me a reason to think.

    In closing, I'll paraphrase a line from Good Will Hunting.

    That expensive Ivy League education you got here... I hate to tell you, but you could have got the same damn thing for about $2.00 in studying and late fees at your public library!

    Does that line make you laugh? I don't have a smile on my face. My personal feeling is that the average 4-year college education could easily be distilled down to a 6-week intensive training program and offered for a cost of no more than $500.

    --Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
    I have a degree in Business. Never really used it. Some of the info was FLAT OUT WRONG!

    1. Debits = Credits (in Accounting. Real world - we use "plugs" all the time)
    2. Efficient Market Hypothesis (That's why the DOW is up 150 one day, down 150 the next)
    3. Tax - we had to memorize the form (Real world: They GIVE YOU THE BLEEPIN' FORM!!!)

    Do they teach you to SELL in college?

    A good salesperson will be the LAST person to go hungry.

    I think _most_ time & money in college is a waste. (Brain surgeons do please go to medical school before working on me, yes; Engineers, please learn how before building that bridge I drive over)

    FOR SALE: Bachelor's Degree (cheap)

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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Trying to finish my doctorate in instructional technology.

    CT
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug Stratemeyer
    Well, I have both an undergraduate degree and a doctorate in law. I can't say it is the degree(s) so much as what one does with them.

    Many years in the courtroom and getting feedback from jurors taught me how to write "copy" by being able to speak to people "where they are at", and speaking to the subsconscious mind.

    The background did make it easier to create niches. For example, being a lawyer gave me a natural niche with FTC regs, copyright, and other laws relating to Internet. I don't have to say, "I'm not a lawyer, but here's what I think...", because, well, I am a lawyer.

    That said, I still had to do the work to learn the Internet back when I started in 2002. The degrees did nothing there.

    -Doug
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  • Profile picture of the author knowwow
    I have been watching the TED conference videos for the last couple of hours and I thought this is somewhat related to the discussion. It is a very fun talk and some good points are made.


    Do watch other TED videos as well -Seth Godin's for instance- while you are there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hightower
    Hi Warriors, I have a BS in Psychology from University of North Texas -1976. I think for a man with a young family an education is a good backup plan. For success in IM I think all you need is an average IQ and a lot of determination, drive and desire to make money. Bill Gates didn't finish college (am I right?) and when I grew up I knew a man who made 30 million 30 years ago after dropping out of SMU.

    Kirahster, did you read the thread on natural cancer cures in the off topic forum?
    Good luck -- there is a lot of ignorance going around the convention health field.
    All the Best,
    Hightower
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  • Ive got a degree, and I think it was totally worth it, even if I never use the "core science" knowledge. A 4 year degree teaches much more than science or theory.
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  • Profile picture of the author costos gohdohb
    I've graduated from the university

    But I believe that to a large extent IT WAS A WASTE OF MY LIFE !
    I don't absolutely need it for my real life!
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  • Profile picture of the author BiancaRaven
    Yep - Bachelor's Degree in Economics and Finance. And I gave up the career in investment banking to earn more as a full time writer instead
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    I have a finance degree. And as an unadvertised bonus I met my beautiful wife and most of my closest friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Hmmm, Went to college a couple years, then dropped out. Then enrolled in a second college specializing in Computer Programming, very small private college which has now disappeared from the face of the world. I did graduate from it. Actually had the fun of teaching one of the classes for 3 weeks while the instructor was out for surgery.

    Then I continued my education with numerous certification courses in the IT World.

    So, what did it all gain me? A career for 20 years which was decent, but not enriching either financially, or personally. I met many, many great people, but still left a hole in the most important area, personal satisfaction.

    I am on the right track now. I may not be getting rich, yet. But, I am working with great people, learning great skills, and loving where I live.

    Will I ever be a millionaire? I'll let you know in a couple years.
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  • Profile picture of the author basefunding
    I have a AA, BA, BS and MS all science and health related- I have 3 pHD's working for me. That said, I never hire based on education level. It comes down to performance.

    Most of what I use and do is from education outside of my formal schooling.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    I do miss college, I dropped out the first year but everything happens for a reason.
    I will probably be a billionaire looking back on how wise it was for me to drop out of college!
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    I have some college but have graduated from the "School of Hard Knocks" Lol!
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    graduated b.s. computer science
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  • Profile picture of the author richporr
    PhD Has served me well as higher ed requires the degree. I've made reasonably good money in my field but the transfer from the degree work and the subsequent professon have been:

    - persistance in IM very similar to that needed to complete a doctorate, to include the dissertation
    - my profession of training teachers has prepared me well to format information in ways that are clear and also appealing
    - my role as department chair for many years has prepared me well to expect relationship challenges and how to preclude or solve them (most of the time)

    Plus, many earlier jobs and businesses I started carry over.

    Got a bit going now and will be able to turn all of my attention to IM in May when I retire.

    -Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author bdegrossa
    Bachelor's in Comp Sci, Masters in Psych. Should be great combo for this but it took me a long time to quit overthinking things and just take action

    B..
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Remember the story of the two farmers...

      Zeke: Hey, Abner, how's that boy of yours doing? Seems he's been away at college for a long time now...

      Abner: Yeah, Zeke, I don't know if that boy is ever gong to finish school. First, he had to to get a BS degree.

      Zeke: And we both know what that stands for, right, Abner?

      Abner: Yup. He finished that, and then he had to get hisself a MS degree, which I figured out stand for 'More of the Same'. Now he's working on a P-H-D...

      Zeke: What the heck is that?

      Abner: Close as I can figure, it means Piled Higher and Deeper...

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  • Did 3 years at college doing IT Support, and was going for a CISCO course but went to UNI and did a 1 year of Games developer course and 3 years of Marketing and Advertisement Communications.

    Jay.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
    great topic! I paid a lot of $$ for my [insert word of choice] degree.

    I learned more in 6 months of work than my degree. I have a Bachelor of Commerce, with a specialty in marketing. I own my own marketing agency. We provide IM to small businesses. School taught me how to out drink Americans.

    OK OK, there is some value to university. but it's not book smarts, imo. I definitly learned the skill of learning how to learn and that is extremely valuable.
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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      Originally Posted by scottgallagher View Post


      OK OK, there is some value to university. but it's not book smarts, imo. I definitly learned the skill of learning how to learn and that is extremely valuable.
      Ok ok, I agree you do learn how to learn.

      I also found out that there are a lot of people that that have no problem getting A's on test but once in the real world can't fight themselves out of a wet paper bag and fail miserably when it comes to street smarts.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnoryan
    have a degree in Engineering. Never used it though. Too busy making money online :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author RebeccaL
    I got a diploma in web development about 5 years ago. I didn't need it, and have never really used the stuff I learned (asp.net). But it was just something to do for me at the time as I didn't know what I wanted to do in life. It was whilst doing that course that I learned about online marketing and well, the rest is history
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    I left college within one years time and didn;t get my degree.

    Guest what.....Don't Want One.

    Unless it is a degree an Internet Marketing
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  • Profile picture of the author melvinm
    I did an MBA in mraketing an operations... but don't think it has been much of help in terms of IM ( part time) but in my professional life... hell ya... it has made a difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmoney84
    I have a BSBA degree in Finance.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    I have a masters degree in Mechanical Engineering. Do I want to work for "The Man" - No Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeffMitchell
      I will be soon...Just about to hit my Associates with IM....2 years. Enough education for me. I could more than likely teach the commmunity college how to do real world online marketing.


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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    I have a BSc degree with a triple major in Environmental Science, Marine Science and Mathematics with Statistics, with minors in Chemistry and Psychology, but I love doing this more.
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  • Profile picture of the author b.super13
    Yep, graduated in 2005 Bachelor Of Science Degree
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketguy
    I have a Masters in Business Management. I graduated late 2009 and my former employer is paying me $10,000 award since I graduated while still being employed there. They also paid for the entire education as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    My degrees have nothing to do with marketing per se, but then again everything to do with it depending on peoples' perceptions. I have a BLA and a Master's in Divinity and Sprituality, and a dual degree in Counseling. And yes, I apply my marketing experience within ministry too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pat Blank
    This is an interesting thread.

    I have a B.Mus. and a Master's in Music, from a very prestigious conservatory. I had a fantastic time and met a lot of amazing people and learned a lot - I love music. I was also performing a lot. I worked my way through music school by performing, which tells you how old I am, because they don't allow that any more. My college music training was for the working the music establishment, my music gigs were for making it in the real world.

    Then I got a BS and MS in CS, because I was working as a programmer and the company I worked for was bought by a large corp who required their code monkeys to have degrees. The BS was a legitimate online degree that required no actual classes for me because I already had the non-CS required courses, and my certificates converted to the rest of the classes. The MS was from a local college and was really great fun, I often knew more than the prof's but I learned to translate that into academic-ese.

    I also have loads of different sales training courses. Way more useful for biz than any of my other classwork. What's the best sales training you've had? That could be another thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lutz80
    I for one am , I have a Bachelors degree In Business Mgmt, and a Bachelors in Marketing as well as a associates in Finance. I just figured the longer I stayed in college the more parties I could attend without having to get a real job.
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    I have a B.S. in Psychology with a minor in statistics. Was it helpful for IM? I would say yes, because my psychology degree has helped me formulate my sales pitch from a more scientific perspective.

    I certainly do not think that a college education is necessary for success, but it was a great experience for me. There is no way that I could have started my own business coming right out of high school. I am now 22, a recent college grad, and have started my own successful business. (actually started about 18 months ago)

    I also met two of my best friends in college, as well as many other great people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emersion
    I went to college with a major in Math. Then I graduated and realized I didn't like math anymore and here i am! A very successful self-employed computer nerd.
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  • Profile picture of the author DamianK
    I'm 3 college educated. Dropped out of New York Inst. of Tech. for computer graphics 12 years ago. Then went to a local community college for.....well for I guess just for going to college. A few years later I complete at the New York Film Academy for Acting. It was a LOT of fun but the fun is was bounced me right out of THAT career.

    Leaving you with 3 colleges and no college education. Greeeeat.

    I hear Thomas Edison failed a recorded 10,000 + times while making the light bulb. If that's the case I should be inventing a new lightbulb by Thursday. *rolls eyes*
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Yes. Somehow I made it through. It was the best time of my life.

    After college I went to McDonald's Hamburger U. and learned much more in two weeks than I learned in four years of formal education.

    But still, get the degree if you can. It makes you feel good.
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Everything I know I learned at Google U. Didn't know how to post a Youtube video here so I googled it. Someone posted on the forum and said just paste in the URL of the Youtube page. Let's see if it works. Well, you need to click "Go Advanced" and then make sure that the 'Automatically Embed Media') is Ticked ON.

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  • Profile picture of the author skorpion
    Got a degree in Architectural Design.

    College taught me nothing but how to work for the man.

    College SHOULD teach people how to make some money with their skills...not quizzing them on world history or algebra and other BS.

    Waste of damn money in my opinion lol
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    • Originally Posted by skorpion View Post

      Got a degree in Architectural Design.

      College taught me nothing but how to work for the man.

      College SHOULD teach people how to make some money with their skills...not quizzing them on world history or algebra and other BS.

      Waste of damn money in my opinion lol
      I agree with that line there. College doesnt teach you to become successful, innovative, skillful or even smart entrepreneur. Instead, college teaches you to be a successful corporate soldier.

      Spending 5 years in University to become a white collar Lemming? Sod that, I say!
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  • Profile picture of the author James12C
    'Fraid so - Oxford, and an MBA..... (I think a degree has about 8 years earning power....)
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  • Profile picture of the author Minte
    I have a master's degree
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  • Profile picture of the author MayaLocke
    Does the college of life count?
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    No education here, I got a ton of I.T based certifications with companies like Cisco that would apply for college credit. After I looked at all the wealthy people locally and globally, I realized the thing they all had in common was most of them did not have a formal college education.
    It is good to have for building a skill or trade. Personally, there are some IM courses that would blog some college courses away.

    Good luck! Keep driving to success bro!
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    • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
      Originally Posted by Shane Hale View Post

      No education here, I got a ton of I.T based certifications with companies like Cisco that would apply for college credit. After I looked at all the wealthy people locally and globally, I realized the thing they all had in common was most of them did not have a formal college education.
      It is good to have for building a skill or trade. Personally, there are some IM courses that would blog some college courses away.

      Good luck! Keep driving to success bro!
      Yeah, IT is a great career path if you like salary caps, long hours, no appreciation and being treated as an "expense we would get rid of if we could".

      Not to mention industry ups and downs - almost like construction!

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  • Profile picture of the author JulioGarabot
    I have a Marketing degree, now trying out IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I'm afraid so!:p

      Sorry to disappoint!

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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    Degree in BA (Hons) Marketing.

    Loved every minute of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
    I have a degree in dental surgery, then moved on to pursue MBA, Worked in health Care domains as project manager, an year in health IT --- now run a small company of my own.

    But sometimes I feel funny about myself --- because I really want to get on to documentary film making. My goals are changing --- probably that's what I,m

    When my friends call me 'misguided missile' -- I feel they are right
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    Bachelors with Double Major in Management and Marketing. I doubt I would be where I am today with out that degree. However, the only thing college really taught me was how to study, research and work hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffrey Arthur
    I have an Engineering Degree, and various accreditations, which i think have helped me by being able to break down the various aspects of IM and then create systems for each piece. This really helps in automating most of the 'work', thus freeing up time to create more systems.

    However, having been an entrepreneur before getting into IM, is probably the biggest asset, by being able to have already created the mindset and extreme motivation required to pass many of the hurdles in becoming financially free online.

    With the flexibility of IM im actually going back to school again, this time to get my Doctorate, but thats a personal choice, and not for business.

    I actually dont think having a college degree has any correlation to that of being a millionaire, college and the education system is really only there to create employees not entrepreneurs.

    If you want to truly be successful you need to learn in the real world and not just theory taught in the classroom.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cardsearch
    Bates College, Lewiston,ME (English major)
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  • Profile picture of the author samson132
    How can i make money too online please help me
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  • Profile picture of the author samuraiwriting
    Yes I have a BA in Communications (Multimedia). THinking about going for a Masters. Really though it isn't the education that gets you to be a millionaire. It is how you go about selling yourself and putting yourself out there. Let go and go out there into your field whether IM or something else. Just go and do it and what you put out, you get back 10 fold. Hopefully that comes in the form of $$$ millions
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  • Profile picture of the author Raygun
    I have my MBA with an emphasis on Marketing and Advertising. I am actually going back and reading some of my text books that have collected dust
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    • Profile picture of the author crolsen89
      Going for a double major in Commercial Aviation and Flight Education
      So much fun. My classroom can be either on the ground or up at around 3,000 feet above it. IM helps a LOT to defray the flight costs.
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    • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
      I have a BALS in Lighting Design and an MFA in Scene Design.

      I tell people that I have two degrees in creative problem solving. ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author jwellsy
    I successfully completed an Engineering Bachelor of Science degree using the 25 year graduation plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    Yes. 2 degrees in music, and I have applied that to making money on the internet, but marketing was all self taught by reading books. I think college educated people have better communication and overall skills in discipline. Getting a college degree does take some dedication to see the job through.
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    College educated, but not a happy ending to this one. I got an art degree and things went downhill from there. This is going to seem embarrassing, but I've failed repeatedly to hold a job. My artwork is, well, fair to middling as they say but I also have something wrong with me...Probably psychologically and nothing has ever been able to snap me out of it. I lack motivation and just can't get myself to work harder. Even when money is waved over my head. It's really freaky but money has never been able to motivate me at all...Yeah, I'm from planet earth in case you were wondering XD I'm hoping I can pick up tips here to change that.
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  • Profile picture of the author birdfood
    All I can say is ditch the marketing degree before you waste too much time.

    College education in general is not relvant to making money with IM or in most other areas. The very few really useful skills you can gain from college are accounting and several others.
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  • Profile picture of the author vzerbee
    Went to a business school.. lived in a dorm close by while attending.

    Interesting informal survey you are doing, although it should not hold you back from anything. There are millionaires without a high school degree. You make the difference, not a degree.
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    • Profile picture of the author tom4business
      I hold an engineering degree in Computer Science. Working as an SAP Netweaver Solutions consultant.

      Now just about to finish my MBA in Marketing and HR.

      But, guess what? Am gonna quit my career in 2011. And, am gonna go back home

      Don't ask me why I do this MBA then. It just happened
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  • Profile picture of the author bozz723
    I have a marketing degree. Started IM back in college and haven't looked back. I payed for the "experience" of college and nothing more. Wouldn't trade that time for anything though.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackBas
    Engineering here. I agree with paying for the experience. People say I wasted 4 years but I wouldnt have it any other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author HungryFish
      I have a BS in Telecommunications Management and a Masters in Business. Neither degree has created tremendous success in my life. I am looking forward to becoming an IM expert. I realize I have plenty to learn and it will be hard work but I have never ran from a challenge.

      Thank you all for your posts and comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author mamoeddy
    I graduated in 1985 with a degree in Business Administration majoring in marketing. However, I didn't really do anything with this education. I got a job in a saw mill and worked there until a couple of years ago. Now I want to try to redeem myself and try to do something useful with internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
    I have a CS Degree, but I have found that due to the transitional nature of technology, most of my knowledge was outdated by the time I received it in school. Plus I was already in the industry before I started school.

    Most of the value coming from college for me was networking. I'm still in touch with many of my classmates, and I've gotten them into companies, and they've done the same for me, and we've built a nice network since that. That's worth the tuition alone!
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  • Profile picture of the author dbadwal
    Hey this guru is University educated.
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    • Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

      A formal education will earn you a good living... Self education will earn you a fortune... Jim Rhone
      Robert, I have to say I must agree. I have a BS in Journalism, with dual concentrations in International Politics and American Foreign Policy. The degree got me great experience in the Media, but I must say my husband who does not have a college degree is a self taught Internet guru, and can carry a conversation about history with anyone with a MASTERS in the subject. So, I have learned a lot from him. Especially now that I lost my job, thanks to the economy, and I started writing freelance to make ends meet.
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  • Profile picture of the author purplecone
    Interesting. I will have to get the book and read it.

    I have a BS in Computer Information Systems, a MS in Computer Information Systems, a MS in Education (Instructional Design for Online Learning), and am two classes away from dissertation work for a PhD in Education.

    My goal is to develop an online career teaching others, both in the IM world and other areas, such as homeschool courses for homeschool students.

    I don't think the education is necessary to succeed here, either, but I will say that it does help having some training and education background. It makes it a bit easier to work through the learning curve in IM.

    Linda
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  • Profile picture of the author AFD
    I'm college graduate with a degree of education and a professional teacher's license... but look what I am doing... I started IM right after I passed the licensure exam..
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    I will be graduating in 57 days, not that I'm counting or anything
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  • Profile picture of the author brownotis
    I had to get a bachelor's in order to teach high school and to move into administration. These are required for certificates in both areas. They certainly help with salary.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3nikki
    Bachelor's in Engineering, Masters in Business Administration, Masters in Computer Science.

    Does it help with IM?
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    NO!
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    I have an MBA degree in Business. I'm not a millionaire yet, but hope to be, some day.
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    • Profile picture of the author smak
      Graduated with BA(Hons) Accountancy and Finance Studies with 2:1

      I tell u what studying that subject was more interesting than actually doing it in practice

      That was back in 1994 and internet was at its infancy stage in UK.

      Actually its quiet funny that credit for myself getting into IM goes to my accountancy career. Thats because during one of those boring company audit days, I happened to click one adsense ad that was for RichJerk product whilst surfing aimlessly. Ever since then I have been hooked into IM profession.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjackson13
        I have an MBA, in Management which serves me well in my day job. However, there are a lot of skills that are necessary to be successful online that they just don't teach in an MBA program.
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  • Profile picture of the author RossVegas
    still in the progress of getting a degree at Penn State, in marketing of course!
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  • Profile picture of the author George185
    I'm definitely not a guru, but I have a degree in business statistics.
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  • Profile picture of the author raylm123
    I've got two bachelor's degrees and a boatload of graduate courses under my belt. None of it was in marketing, but there are no regrets here. The advanced level mathematics, in particluar, really helped sharpen my analytical skills.

    Getting a degree is like anything else in life -- you can skate by and just get the piece of paper, or you can really push yourself and add to your education.
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  • Profile picture of the author sundopt
    I graduated in 2008,work as a seoer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Richardson
    I have a bachelor's and masters in music, and I'm a band director.
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  • Profile picture of the author sate solution
    One year ago finished my First degree....Next year going to do M.B.A
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  • Profile picture of the author Melodican
    Graduated with a Bachelor Of Arts (specialist) Degree 3 years ago.

    I've used NONE of the info I got from it in business and yet run numerous successful companies.

    Richard Branson is dyslexic and left school at the minimum age

    Henry Ford had a minute amount of formal education

    A piece of paper doesn't make you successful.... Your MIND makes you successful... Ask Napoleon Hill !
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  • Profile picture of the author iseethecode
    Undergrad Accounting and MBA emphasis Finance...
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  • Profile picture of the author chooch
    Degree in Economics. A long time back.
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  • Profile picture of the author blue_Tiger
    Degree in Chemistry ..

    and then:

    Masters degree in CDL class A , University of Covenant, Chattanooga,TN ....LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    I'm in my freshman year of university right now, taking advantage of the four years before I have to live on my own and trying to use online pursuits to pay for my education.

    I'm probably majoring in English and minoring in Japanese Studies, but that could change again.
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    • Profile picture of the author pink sapphire
      Art history BA here, & five years work towards a PhD (almost but not quite finished, and probably destined to stay that way, on account of me totally losing interest in the subject ). Spending so long in higher education has definitely had a negative effect on my current income & net worth, but I don't regret going to university. It was an enjoyable experience and I met some amazing people. Although if I could go back in time and do it over again, I'd probably do a computer science degree and give the postgrad work a miss.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Abeyratne
    I'm mid way through a law degree, not something i plan to pursue but it does help somewhat to know when other lawyers are just trying to BS you.

    In australia the government helps us out with interest free loans for college (university) so its kind of the done thing.

    At the moment I feel that it hinders me from IM success more than assists me, but it could be the nature of my study. Lawyers are thought to think very much inside the box!
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    I got a college/university degree but in practice, it's pretty much useless. The only thing that I believe made it worthwile was putting myself to the test, whether I could buckle down and cram for a few weeks solid and pass exams. I did so it's uiet a good feeling having a degree, but does it help? Well, not really ... but it certainly opens more doors than not having one.

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    • Profile picture of the author Blanket
      CIS degree here. I did not learn a single thing about internet marketing.

      Like most things, the important stuff I taught myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    yes, you don't need a college education to be good at IM or any other discipline.

    BUT, formal education is very valuable in its own right. That's what I tell people who laugh at me for getting an education and going into IM. My education taught me things like sacrifice, dedication, discipline, goal setting, etc. It taught me fundamantal principles.

    So formal education is very valuable but not essential!

    my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    To make money with Internet marketing, you do not always need an education...

    To make best use of that money you earn, make sense of your accounting costs, taxes, expansion plans, cross country complications YOU DO NEED EDUCATION... either the education of experience or formal education.

    Why is it so many sports stars and singers lose all their fortunes? Bad education on how to handle their money.

    Internet markering is about creativity, speed and of course luck... so anyone can make money if things fall in the right place, but what happens after is due to education.

    I wouldn't swap my 15 years of entrepreneurial experience or my formal business degree and MBA for anything... it has added so much to my business and it's helped me spot bulls%^t from a mile away, and that is invaluable to my business...
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    I graduated for graphic design as well.Remember guys, education comes FIRST.
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  • Profile picture of the author kmalger1
    Dropped out college. Self educated. Constantly learning and improving skills.
    All my children completed college, 2 with MA.

    Not sure it would have made a difference for me. Except maybe honing my writing abilities.
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    I'm college graduated.

    Electronics and Communications Engineer.
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  • Profile picture of the author pks1967
    I took one year of college but didn't like it. I think all of my friends and wife who went to college were more than a little surprised when I quite my job and started my online business. Internet marketing is something everyone can learn if they work at it hard enough.

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