Disgusted With Warrior Forum

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I'm furious actually. I'm fairly new and made a post in the Copywriting forum this morning. There was nothing wrong with it-there was no profanity, no spam, NOTHING WRONG with it. It was just about how bad copy reflects on a site. It was DELETED. I don't know why because I wasn't even given the simple courtesy of a PM or email explaining why. If this is the way you treat new members I want no part of it. Thanks for the "welcome!" :confused:

I think I have every right to be angry. I did nothing wrong, I posted nothing wrong. My post was about how I had been doing some research for a client and all the sites I came across with really really bad copy and how bad copy can damage your credibility. That's it. I am sure I will get flamed for saying this or this will be deleted also. I get the message. I'm not welcome here so I will be going. It's too bad you have to be so rude and unwelcoming to new members. I was just about to pay my $37 too.

BTW I don't know why it says I only have 2 posts. I have 5.
  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    First, post don't count here in the off topic forum.
    Second, deleted post will also reduce your number of posts.
    Third, as Graham Parker would say, don't get excited. If getting a post deleted sets you off, your probably in the wrong line of work, as thats a very minor event in the world of IM.
    Now, if you take a deep breathe and start over, without being thin skinned, you will probably not find a better forum out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
    I'm not thin skinned. I just expect common courtesy and respect. There was nothing wrong with my post, but had I been given the courtesy of a PM or email explaining why I wouldn't be so upset. I didn't use profanity, solicit business, spam, or otherwise break any rules. It makes no sense to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I didn't see your thread - but I can guess why it was deleted.

      You have "writer" in your name so clearly you fancy yourself a writer.

      You went into the copywriting section of the WF and posted comments about seeing bad copy on sites and telling people that bad copy doesn't reflect well on the writer. There are some good copywriters in that section - and there are some top, high end copywriters there, too. They KNOW about bad copy - and that sometimes what looks "bad" converts like crazy.

      Your thread appears to have followed a standard format we often see from new members - they post general "advice" - and before long are promoting their own services looking for clients here. I expect (just my guess) your thread was seen as pre-promotional - just because it happens so often.

      Get to know people here a bit - and let them know you without the rants. We all have posts deleted once in a while - no explanations are given - just shrug it off and move on.

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      • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I didn't see your thread - but I can guess why it was deleted.

        You have "writer" in your name so clearly you fancy yourself a writer.

        You went into the copywriting section of the WF and posted comments about seeing bad copy on sites and telling people that bad copy doesn't reflect well on the writer. There are some good copywriters in that section - and there are some top, high end copywriters there, too. They KNOW about bad copy - and that sometimes what looks "bad" converts like crazy.

        Your thread appears to have followed a standard format we often see from new members - they post general "advice" - and before long are promoting their own services looking for clients here. I expect (just my guess) your thread was seen as pre-promotional - just because it happens so often.

        Get to know people here a bit - and let them know you without the rants. We all have posts deleted once in a while - no explanations are given - just shrug it off and move on.

        kay
        What a nasty assumption to make. I had no intentions of promoting my services here as I already have more work than I can handle.

        By the way, I don't "fancy myself a writer", I am one and have made a good living from it for years. That was really condescending.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

          What a nasty assumption to make. I had no intentions of promoting my services here as I already have more work than I can handle.

          By the way, I don't "fancy myself a writer", I am one and have made a good living from it for years. That was really condescending.
          And so if you are a writer, tell me, how would you feel if you were making a living at a place...and someone who just walked in the door 5 posts ago came in with his first couple posts and started telling you how to do what you have been doing to earn a living?

          Do you think choirs like to be preached to?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            I really didn't mean to appear condescending though I agree it did look that way - but your posts seem to be rather demanding.

            I was only explaining why your thread "might have been" deleted. After years of seeing people trying to promote themselves quickly here, I knew that might have been "a" reason.

            Mark's answer makes sense and clearly he did see your thread. So you have your explanation.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

            And so if you are a writer, tell me, how would you feel if you were making a living at a place...and someone who just walked in the door 5 posts ago came in with his first couple posts and started telling you how to do what you have been doing to earn a living?

            Do you think choirs like to be preached to?
            No choir may LIKE it, but MANY NEED it!

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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              No choir may LIKE it, but MANY NEED it!

              Steve
              Im pretty sure the choir will say different.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
          Berry, I know some people that are delightful to visit for a conversation, although their place is far more of a mess than I could stand. The cost of visiting them is that I have to step around their clutter. I know from experience that they aren't going to tidy up for me. If I want to visit them, I put up with the mess.

          I have other friends with a neat home, but if you mention anything about religion they go into their standard rant. So I simply make sure to not say a word about anyone's church or faith when I visit those people. Conversations about any other topic work just fine. They're avid travelers and so I can usually learn about some interesting new adventure they just had.

          My electric teakettle works great, but it won't turn itself off automatically. After I use it, I have to pay attention to remember to turn it off. If I leave the room too long, it will make a bad smell when the water runs out. At this time the submersible heater element tries to cook the air and plastic. Might as well stay around so I can turn it off once the water is hot for my tea. (Peppermint's nice and soothing, especially after reading a Warrior Forum argument.)

          Surely you have some situations like this in your life too: you take the bad with the good, because it's only available as a package deal.

          Someone who likes peaceful meditative environments would not last long in the commodities exchange pit. A brilliant commodities trader might go nuts if stranded on a desert island, while Buddha might enjoy the silence.

          The Warrior Forum offers an enormous, fast-paced ongoing conversation. It's more like the commodities exchange than like the deserted beach. Think of it as an opinions trading floor. Hey, I got two opinions! Who'll buy my opinions! I'll buy your opinion! Got an opinion left! Looking for three more opinions to buy! Who wants to trade an opinion? I think my opinion's worth $1,000! I sold an opinion for $5,000! Where can I buy an opinion like that?

          No successful trader goes into today's pit to buy and sell yesterday's market. There's always something new.

          It's available here for free, except for posting ads or joining the War Room area. It's private property of its owners (I'm not one of them) and managed by the administrators they invited to help run the place (I'm not one of them either). The price for using the place? Some conversations don't go anywhere, some conversations turn into arguments.

          And some conversations just disappear without a trace. I can appreciate that with thousands of users online at any time, there might just not be time to send a polite little note about why a post was edited. The FAQ says to expect this.

          You aren't going to change the way this place works. It's up to you if the wealth of knowledge, the fun of the fast-paced and spirited discussion, the potential to build friendships and do business, is worth the inconvenience of the occasional disappearing post. Tip: If you find an awesome thread here, save it to your computer rather than just bookmarking it - it might be gone tomorrow.

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  • Berry, relax... it's just the internet :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    A few things:

    1. Your thread might not have even been about copywriting (even if you thought it was).
    2. Stop being so sensitive: getting your thread deleted means that you posted in the wrong place or broke a rule, not because everyone hates you. Don't think you're entitled to get a PM telling you why your posts and threads get deleted...all of us have had posts or threads deleted and none of us get these "courtesy PMs" either.
    3. Don't heap us all into one pile.
    4. Lose the attitude: it won't get you far in the world of business (or in the real world, for that matter).

    If you start being more positive and open-minded, you will find that this place is actually very welcoming and that most people here are very friendly and helpful.

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    • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      A few things:

      1. Your thread might not have even been about copywriting (even if you thought it was).
      2. Stop being so sensitive: getting your thread deleted means that you posted in the wrong place or broke a rule, not because everyone hates you. Don't think you're entitled to get a PM telling you why your posts and threads get deleted...all of us have had posts or threads deleted and none of us get these "courtesy PMs" either.
      3. Don't heap us all into one pile.
      4. Lose the attitude: it won't get you far in the world of business (or in the real world, for that matter).

      If you start being more positive and open-minded, you will find that this place is actually very welcoming and that most people here are very friendly and helpful.

      Curtis
      First of all I never said everyone hates me. I'm sorry but if someone has a post deleted they do deserve an explanation. I broke no rules that I know of and since I was not given an explanation how will I know what I did so I don't have any other posts deleted?

      I am a very positive and open minded person, I really am but I feel as I was treated as though I am a stupid, clueless newbie who fell off the turnip truck yesterday and decided to call myself a writer. I'm sorry but I found that very insulting. Just because I am new here doesn't mean I'm a spammer or that I can't possibly be in the same league as the long time members who post in the copywriters forum.

      I'm not ranting either, just trying to explain my side.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Instead of whining here, you should be asking an admin or submitting a support ticket so you can know why it was deleted and how you can play by the rules here. Don't overreact, because this thread is just silly.
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    • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post

      Instead of whining here, you should be asking an admin or submitting a support ticket so you can know why it was deleted and how you can play by the rules here. Don't overreact, because this thread is just silly.
      I did open a ticket and have not gotten any response.

      I'm not whining just explaining my side of things. So much for everyone being friendly here.
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      • Profile picture of the author catherine ford
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        BerryWriter.

        I reported your post, I hit that little red triangle and submitted a note explaining why I felt your post should be deleted.

        Rather than jumping up and down like an angry little hobbit hopping on a hot tin plate, from one foot to the other, brandishing your big stick in the air - in a rather great consternation over nothing -- just accept it and move on.

        Mark

        Thanks Mark that analogy has made my morning.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Ease up or you're gonna get yourself banned, Sue.

    Your post was "member moderated", not deleted by a mod or any one person.

    A certain number of readers reported the post, likely for being posted in the wrong forum (the copywriting forum is largely about direct response copy, not "content").

    That's one of the many imperfect ways that this forum maintains some semblance of sanity... what with close to 200k+ members, many of whom post similar rants as their debut performance.

    Feel free to reactively call me a jerk for explaining that you and thereby being condescending and presumptuous.

    My bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Ease up or you're gonna get yourself banned, Sue.

      Your post was "member moderated", not deleted by a mod or any one person.

      A certain number of readers reported the post, likely for being posted in the wrong forum (the copywriting forum is largely about direct response copy, not "content").

      That's one of the many imperfect ways that this forum maintains some semblance of sanity... what with close to 200k+ members, many of whom post similar rants as their debut performance.

      Feel free to reactively call me a jerk for explaining that you and thereby being condescending and presumptuous.

      My bad.
      Why would I call you a jerk for providing the only thing I asked for, an explanation? You did nothing wrong and I'm not offended by your post.

      The title of my post and most of it talked about "copy". I'm sorry using the word content instead of "copy" one time was so offensive to so many.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
          May I respectfully suggest that you and others new to the forum spend some time reading threads, reading the FAQ, and getting to know the tone and feel of the forum before you start posting. One is less likely to feel persecuted when one understands how a community works. One is also less likely to make an ass of oneself.

          Everything you post in the WF either builds or diminishes your reputation here. Warriors have long memories. (They are also remarkably forgiving and tolerant when they believe someone is making a sincere effort to do things right.)
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  • Profile picture of the author jedz
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    I think you need to read FAQ page before posting. It will make things clear for you instead of venting here. Just a suggestion and hope things will work out fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
    Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

    I'm furious actually. If this is the way you treat new members I want no part of it. Thanks for the "welcome!" :confused:

    I think I have every right to be angry. I'm not welcome here so I will be going. It's too bad you have to be so rude and unwelcoming to new members.
    Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

    I just expect common courtesy and respect.
    Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

    What a nasty assumption to make.

    That was really condescending.
    Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

    I feel as I was treated as though I am a stupid, clueless newbie who fell off the turnip truck yesterday and decided to call myself a writer.

    I'm not ranting either, just trying to explain my side.
    Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

    I'm not whining just explaining my side of things. So much for everyone being friendly here.
    Just seeing how this looks taking a few barbs out of context...

    I'm guessing the role of Drama Queen is one you subconciously enjoy playing. Perhaps a little self-examination would be in order if you want to successfully interact with others here in the future.

    We've all had posts deleted. My first thread didn't hang around long enough for me to refresh my browser. It's the nature of the beast.

    Life goes on...

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  • Profile picture of the author bozz723
    They all do this. No big deal. I just saw about two minutes ago a post that was very informative and it was deleted. I see no reason for that to be deleted, but hey it's their forum they can do whatever.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    If you're a writer, then you should not expect to find nice tones from a group of people you've just said that you're "disgusted with".

    I do however agree with your original post, it would be nice if a feature was added that would explain a post deletion. It would also prevent many false deletions if a proper explanation had to be given. Not only that, but it would prevent the weekly "What the h*ll happened to my thread" thread.

    Welcome to the forum, and let me be one member that says that I hope that you don't leave. Give us a chance here. Once you find out why the forum is the way it is, you'll usually love it here.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    As I've mentioned to others before you, your motives may have been pure as the driven snow; only you know for sure.

    What we know is that a lot of people come here without pure motives. They want to game the system and start promoting with all guns blazing. Or they just want some link juice, so they drop a fairly innocuous post with a sig link. Either way, they aren't interested in contributing anything.

    I'm guessing that the thread that got deleted was post #1 for you. If so, your thread fit the footprint of others before you doing things they weren't supposed to do. Mark reported the thread because he interpreted it as off topic. At least a few others reported it for some reason or other, because it takes more than one report to put a thread in moderation.

    Like I said, your post may have been similar to others before it whose contributors proved to have nefarious designs.

    If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it still may not be a duck. But that's the smart way to bet.

    No one gets a 'courtesy PM' because of the sheer volume of posts going through this place. The mods who make the final decisions are volunteers; they do what they have to do and move on to running their own businesses. It's not personal...
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    I get posts deleted, and nobody ever tells ME why, so I'm gonna go post a rant in the Off Topic section as to why I'm disgusted with the WHOLE Warrior Forum...

    Give me a break.

    At the time of writing, I have 724 posts (not counting ones in OT). If none were ever deleted, I'm sure I'd have at least 50 more. But really, who cares?

    The Warrior Forum is a great place for marketers to learn and interact. That's why it's a prime target for spammers/scammers, so we heavily weed them out. As somebody said, if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, we don't really have time to evaluate whether it actually IS a duck. If you are not a duck, then I do apologize.

    It happens. But considering the volume of posts, you can see the vast majority that have value stay.

    If you decide to stick around, the War Room is filled with brilliant opportunities, but only if you actually apply anything you learn in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author neo3006
    I have posted a few times in here and you can't take everything in life so serious, so a post got deleted, not the end of the world, you have your health or least hope you do, and even as a newbie in here I am still learning just have to concentrate on doing one thing at a time lol and stick with it and I will be okay.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I don't even know why I'm wasting my time responding to this.

      BerryWriter...you need to get a grip...fast.

      I have had posts deleted that if you put me up against a wall with a gun
      to my head and asked me to tell you why it was deleted or you'd blow my
      brains out...I couldn't.

      Stuff gets deleted...for every member. No matter how long they're here
      or how many posts they have.

      If you can't deal with that, then maybe you should find another forum to
      play in. This one is fairly strict with what remains and what goes bye-bye.

      Took me a while to come to grips with that.

      You can do the same or take your marbles and play in somebody else's
      backyard.

      But before you make your decision, I can honestly say that this is one
      of the most educational forums you will find online.

      Take that into consideration before you do pick up those marbles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zero
        Relax. Its the Interweb, no need to get worked up. You should be contacting the Mods, not creating a topic ranting. You're not doing yourself any favours and frankly, it reflects badly on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author thetrafficaddict
    I agree with the thick-skinned comment.

    If you want to be successful in internet marketing, you've got to build a thick skin. From the people that might bash you, not agree with you, or think your product sucks... You must be able to smile, learn the lesson, and carry on.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    I think Berry is complaining because she has something else in mind that she may soon tell us if she "chooses" to stay here. I don't think that having just 1 or more posts deleted is making her so sick of being a warrior forum member, so tired of staying here and so disgusted with warrior forum.

    I think I have got so many posts deleted that I have lost counts.

    Berry, one of the greatest attributes of warriors is to fight on no matter the bruises. The greatest problem of any boxer in a fight is not that he allowed himself to be knocked down a million times but that he allowed himself to be knocked out after all.

    Berry and others like Berry in this forum, think about what I have just said.
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    • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
      Originally Posted by King Shiloh View Post

      I think Berry is complaining because he has something else in mind that he may soon tell us if he "chooses" to stay here.
      Again, I am a female. I have nothing in mind to announce to anyone. I'm not planning to advertise my services here (and I'm not a spammer-in fact I get paid to write a column on how to fight spam and malware!) or do anything except read and learn. I won't be posting in any of the on-topic forums anytime soon. To be honest I really don't feel welcome to do so and I think I'd be better off reading and learning-at least for now. Once burned twice shy.

      Have a good day everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
    First of all, I am a female.

    To those who took the time to be encouraging, to try to understand where I was coming from, and who didn't stoop to calling me names or being rude, I thank you.

    I am not a troll. I am just very busy and don't always have the time to check in to this forum. I am the only one working in my household-my husband was laid off a year ago and the job market for lack of a better word, sucks. I work about 16 hrs a day to make ends meet. (We live in NYC-it ain't cheap!) Even though my settings are to automatically notify me when a reply was made, I wasn't. I had no idea there were any new replies until I logged in to accept a friend request. I apologize but my time is pretty limited right now, and after the beating I've taken here I decided it was best to lay low as nothing would have been accomplished by continuing to make myself flame bait.

    My post in the copywriters forum was actually ABOUT sales copy on websites, not articles. When I said content was king I meant the content in sales letters and copy. If someone simply asked me if I was talking about sales copy or website content/articles instead of automatically assuming I'm an idiot and rushing to reporting me, well who knows? Maybe an interesting dialogue could have happened. Maybe we all could have learned something.

    As for the whole "does the choir need preaching to?" Well that's a bit arrogant. I've been writing for over 20 years. It doesn't mean I still can't learn a thing or two or that I'm closed off to hearing new opinions and viewpoints.

    I think that's everything. For those who felt the need to call me names and be generally rude and belittling, I'm not going to comment except to say that yes, perhaps my getting upset at being deleted and posting here reflects bad on me. That's a mistake I am willing to admit to and that I have learned from. But it goes both ways. Calling me a troll, drama queen, and generally attacking me doesn't reflect so well on you either.

    Truce?
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      • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        When you actually have a bit more credibility on this forum and build up a name for yourself, for helping other people, by all means feel free to criticize us or call a truce.

        Until such time, as in right now, starting off like this, simply very clearly demonstrates your overall bad attitude.

        Rather than lamblasting others here, try and contribute positively first.

        You don't have one Thanks to your name, nada, zilch, nothing at all, whilst others have posted hundreds of helpful comments and helped other Warriors out on a daily basis.

        My advice to you is to get off the high horse and start posting a little more responsibly if you want a good name on this forum.

        You've certainly not started off on the right block simply attacking everyone here.

        Will you take this advice onboard? Somehow, given both of your first comments in this thread, I highly doubt it.

        Grab a new attitude, it will bode better for you here if you do. :rolleyes:


        Mark
        If anyone here needs a new attitude or has a high horse to get off of, it's YOU. My post did not deserve such a hostile response. I admitted I made a mistake, explained why I hadn't been responding to others' posts and asked for a truce and you respond by attacking me? If admitting my mistake and taking my lumps isn't enough for you, there's nothing left to say. Clearly you were never a newbie and have never made a mistake. If you have such a hatred of me, feel free to ignore my posts, as I will be doing the same of yours.

        Have a good day.
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          • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
            Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

            Oh dear, oh dear, oh dearey me. :rolleyes:

            I don't hate you, I don't even know you, so how could I hate you?

            You are posting extremely childish comments here.

            Grow up!
            Exactly. You don't know me but you are making all kinds of nasty and hurtful judgments, calling me names and generally beating me up, even after I admitted I had made a mistake! I admitted I was wrong to have gotten so upset over my post being deleted and wrong to have posted a complaint about it. Yet you still still attacked me. Think about that, and how it might be reflecting on you.

            You gave me an infraction for "Insulting a Forum Member"? What do you think you've been doing to me? Please, just leave me alone. You don't like me, fine, but enough is enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
        Hi Berry,

        It can be tough being a newbie here, I didn't get off the best start myself simply because I didn't really understand the dynamics of how this place works. Like you, I had a thread deleted, and the thread had nothing but honest intentions(it was asking for feedback on a site so I could make improvements).

        As others have said, no matter who you are or how long you have been here, you'll still get posts and threads deleted. That's just the way it is. The WF is member moderated. When you have been here for a while, you'll grow to understand why things are the way they are. Again, like you I felt 'on the outside' when I joined and felt offended when I had posts/threads deleted or my intentions were questioned.

        You sound like an intelligent, honest and passionate person - exactly the kind of person that makes a good Warrior OK, so you haven't got off to a great start, but I'm sure you have a lot to offer to the forum, and you'll be amazed at how much you can learn. I honestly look upon my time here as my IM education

        I don't want you to think I'm criticizing you, but your dramatic thread title here has done you no favors whatsoever. Try and put yourself in other people's shoes and I'm sure you'll understand why people in this thread have responded to you in the way they have. Also, when you continually try and justify yourself, it just looks like you are creating drama. I understand you feel the need to defend yourself, but you don't necessarily need to - your contributions here will show what kind of person you are.

        My advice - keep on browsing, get a feel for things and contribute where you can. If someone doesn't like something you say, or a post/thread gets deleted - simply brush it off and move on. There is no point in wasting time on negativity here. There is so much to contribute and learn

        I guarantee that in a few weeks(even days), you will laugh about this and will completely understand that there is a very good reason why us Warriors are protective about the WF. With so many scammers and spammers in the internet marketing arena, we all have to do our bit to protect this place, which helps it continue to be the awesome resource it is.

        Welcome to the WF and I hope you stay Don't take your 'baptism of fire' beginning personally - many have been where you are now and have gone on to have a fantastic time here.
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  • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
    Liam, I appreciate your post. I agree completely. I was out of line to have started this thread in the first place. I made mistakes and I admit to and own up to them, even though doing so seems to have enraged Mark. I would change the title of this thread if I could. I was WRONG. I admit it. I was stupid and overreacted.

    I don't know why Mark is so enraged by my attempt to apologize or why he won't stop beating on me. I apologized, there's nothing else I can do. If the admins want to delete this thread and/or ban me, I will understand.

    Thanks again for your post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by BerryWriter View Post

      Liam, I appreciate your post. I agree completely. I was out of line to have started this thread in the first place. I made mistakes and I admit to and own up to them, even though doing so seems to have enraged Mark. I would change the title of this thread if I could. I was WRONG. I admit it. I was stupid and overreacted.

      I don't know why Mark is so enraged by my attempt to apologize or why he won't stop beating on me. I apologized, there's nothing else I can do. If the admins want to delete this thread and/or ban me, I will understand.

      Thanks again for your post.
      We all make mistakes, and yourself and Mark simply have a difference of opinion. Trust me - you'll have plenty more differences of opinions with members if you stick around, but conflict isn't good for the forum or the individuals concerned. Take a deep breath if you need to, and start exploring everything that is great about the WF Also, stop beating yourself up now - you've apologized, it's time to move on
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      • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
        Originally Posted by Liam Hamer View Post

        We all make mistakes, and yourself and Mark simply have a difference of opinion. Trust me - you'll have plenty more differences of opinions with members if you stick around, but conflict isn't good for the forum or the individuals concerned. Take a deep breath if you need to, and start exploring everything that is great about the WF Also, stop beating yourself up now - you've apologized, it's time to move on
        Thanks again Liam. I appreciate your posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Your best bet right now would probably be to just ignore this thread and let it go. There's a shark-like mentality around here when someone new comes in and stirs things up. That may not have been your intention, but the unfortunate wording of your title made it appear that way.

    It's best to treat this forum like you would a stranger's house that you've been invited to. You wouldn't go in to a stranger's house and announce disgust at the rules of the house. If you thought the rules were strange, you'd ask politely about them. Or you'd observe the culture of the house until you could figure it out on your own.

    But I would just let this one go. Even if you were right (and you may have been). This forum, for the most part, has a short memory. Contribute elsewhere, and this thread will soon be a long past memory.
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  • Profile picture of the author BerryWriter
    Thanks Gary. Those are wise words.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Second post in this thread I gave him/her excellent advice.
    People make their own decision to pay heed or not.

    On another subject, I would like to see the "insult another member" infraction removed. Especially here in the off-topic forum.People are too thin skinned nowadays and it seems to be overused.
    By the way, I had one of those infractions but it was reversed after I took the time to discuss via PM with the person that gave it to me the meaning of my comment,which in fact was not an insult at all.

    Another note: If you go to advanced under edit you can change the title.
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  • Profile picture of the author mary_k
    cyber-wars never make any sense to me...
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