When does a person actually have 'constitutional rights' the u.s.?

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I'm reading a story about a lesbian highschool student that wanted to bring her girlfriend to the prom. The school had a policy in place about no same-sex dates to prom. The school just shut the prom down.

The ACLU is saying her constitutional rights are being violated. I got to thinking...what age do constitutional rights come into play? Becuase its a constitutional right to bear arms...but you cant buy any kind of weapon in most places until you're 18..same for voting
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    They are SUPPOSED to kick in if you are a citizen, or a lawful vistor. You are right thoughh, people below a certain age aren't afforded various freedoms.

    Then again, there is NO law or right that they should be allowed. Like "No shoes, no shirt, no service". And the school DID stop it for everyone, so equal treatment charges might not be levied.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      They are SUPPOSED to kick in if you are a citizen, or a lawful vistor. You are right thoughh, people below a certain age aren't afforded various freedoms.

      Then again, there is NO law or right that they should be allowed. Like "No shoes, no shirt, no service". And the school DID stop it for everyone, so equal treatment charges might not be levied.
      But technically the school stopped it for everyone because of the same sex date request. But at the same time, the school had the no same sex prom dates already a standing rule.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Enthusiastic
    I wasn't aware that the Constitution required public schools to provide a prom. See, that's what's wrong with today's generation. They don't realize that it was looking forward to the prom that made the pioneers able to endure the hardships of the covered wagon. It was the vision of proms for all that inspired Washington to keep fighting at Valley Forge. This just isn't discussed often enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Mr. Enthusiastic View Post

      I wasn't aware that the Constitution required public schools to provide a prom. See, that's what's wrong with today's generation. They don't realize that it was looking forward to the prom that made the pioneers able to endure the hardships of the covered wagon. It was the vision of proms for all that inspired Washington to keep fighting at Valley Forge. This just isn't discussed often enough.
      No..the Constitution doesnt require public schools to prove prom. But the Constitution does protect the right to free speech..i think thats the angle the aclu is going for. But as far as i know..the 'right to free speech' is the basic right to question your gov't...not to tell the world you want to take your same sex partner to a high school prom
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Dumb decision by the school. They should have just let the couple go to the prom. What state was that in?
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Dumb decision by the school. They should have just let the couple go to the prom. What state was that in?
          Thats the thing. This seems to be something thats done to make a point. The school is in Mississippi next to the Alabama border. I'm just guessing but I'm thinking thats probably not the most progressive area to begin with.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        No..the Constitution doesnt require public schools to prove prom. But the Constitution does protect the right to free speech..i think thats the angle the aclu is going for. But as far as i know..the 'right to free speech' is the basic right to question your gov't...not to tell the world you want to take your same sex partner to a high school prom
        You're right. Free speech is freedom of the press, religion, and protest, as clearly laid out in the first amendment. Interesting that some want to get rid of THOSE actions and claim others are included. Besides, they DID tell the world! This allowed them to do that EASILY. If we declare an action related to this degree to be free speech, then ALL becomes protected speech and legal. EVEN holding a gun up to a bank tellers mouth!
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    My opinion is if she really just wanted to bring her same sex friend to the prom, she should have just done it. As the saying goes, its better to ask forgiveness than permission.
    My opinion is that she and her attorney are relishing the attention they are getting.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    People forget that our Bill of Rights includes the freedom of autonomy. Taking a same sex partner to a social function isn't freedom of speech - unless they are talking about it - it's freedom of AUTONOMY. We're not supposed to be able to tell people how to act and what to do unless they are directly causing US harm in the action. While I get a bit squishy in the stomach over thinking about same sex relationships, who wants to be together is really none of my, or anyone else's stinkiing business. Can you imagine a school zone telling the same girl that she was not allowed to date a particular guy because they didn't approve of him.....just think of the fury that would cause. Some people have sentiments against same sex anything and those values are being stuffed down people's throats that don't adhere -- and they have NO RIGHT to do so no matter what their excuse for butting in on things that aren't their business.

    Imagine what would happen to all those poor people who just violated that girl's freedom of Autonomy if they didn't even KNOW that she likes other chicks. Think of how diminished their lives would be if someone were dating someone they didn't approve of without them even KNOWING. :rolleyes:

    America has become the biggest bunch of stinking control freaks I've ever seen in my life.

    Angry about the morals behind same sex? Slap the hell out of Mommy and Doctor, who had mom slapping sunscreen with gender-confusing toxic chemicals in it while she was pregnant or gov that was allowing pcb's to be sprayed on her food and quit crapping about the kid's morals. When she starts stealing, abusing others or animals, killing, her moral values become your business. Until its YOUR kid she wants to do, it's not one damn whit of your nosy business.
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