We Are Killing The Good Reputation Of The Warrior Forum!

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We Are Killing The Good Reputation Of The Warrior Forum!

Yesterday one of my trainees Told me that she did not like to "hang out" at the WF (warrior forum) because people here were ...... (I won't say exactly what she told me, but it was not nice to the ears, she also explained to me the reason for her opinion), to be honest with you, what she told me did not come as a complete surprise for me, I have been visiting this forum for a very long time to read around, analyze how people reacted to the many different topics, get some information about products etc, I did not sign up for an account until just recently, so I am also guilty that some people who visit this forum feel the same way she does, and I will tell you why.

She explained to me that although she had gotten a lot of help from people in this forum, she felt like most people in this forum did not really care much about others, and that most times most people here were too harsh on those contributing to the forum with their knowledge and experience, that's basically what she said to me, I decided to leave it at that and not ask her more question on the subject, I did not want us to deviate away from the main subject of the training section for which she was paying , I wanted to provide her with as much valuable information as possible in the shortest time.

Today I came to the forum to do a little digging around and find out exactly the real meaning of what she had told me regarding most people in this forum, she had told me that most people here did not care much about others, and that they were harsh to those contributing with their knowledge, so that is exactly where I started digging for some relevant numbers related to the issue, my main target for gathering this numbers were threads where the OP (original poster) had written a valuable informative opening post to help others, it was not difficult at all for me to find these targets, my main activity when I visit this forum is to save those type of threads to my favorites, so, that's where I went, I opened some of those threads in my browser and started my research. This is what I found:

1. Most people come to the thread, read the valuable informative opening post, and just leave without thanking the OP or even taking time to make a quick post reply in the thread.

2. Most people do not visit the OP's profile.

3. Some people just post to diminish the value of the OP's original post.

4. Most people do not subscribe to the thread or come back to it after they had posted once to it.

5. Most people just post to these kind of threads to brag about themselves and not to ad valuable information to the thread.

And the list can go on..

Here is an example: Daniel Brock has posted 71 threads most of them informative type threads, let's look at the numbers related to just four of them, let's call these threads a, b, c, and d

A) 17227 views, 267 replies

B) 23997 views, 377 replies

C) 8481 views, 111 replies :confused:

D) 3599 views, 93 replies


This are just 4 of his 71 threads

Visits to his profile:

2213, keep in mind that just four of his 71 threads have been viewed 53304 times


I do not know how this looks to you, it sure looks really bad to me that we are doing this kind of thing to our own internet marketers here in our community.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
    I appreciate the effort you went to to gather the numbers, but they don't really back up your main point.

    On any forum only a small percentage of people reply to threads.

    If a thread's title is interesting enough to pull in a reader, only a percentage will read the whole thread. Of those that read the thread, only a percentage of those who feel connected somehow with the author will click through to their profile.

    None of that relates to bad attitude or treating people badly.

    Even the posturing and grandstanding you've mentioned is a normal aspect of forum interaction.

    Does any of this make the WF worse or better than any other forum? It's completely subjective.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
      Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

      I appreciate the effort you went to to gather the numbers, but they don't really back up your main point.

      On any forum only a small percentage of people reply to threads.

      If a thread's title is interesting enough to pull in a reader, only a percentage will read the whole thread. Of those that read the thread, only a percentage of those who feel connected somehow with the author will click through to their profile.

      None of that relates to bad attitude or treating people badly.

      Even the posturing and grandstanding you've mentioned is a normal aspect of forum interaction.

      Does any of this make the WF worse or better than any other forum? It's completely subjective.

      It doesn't back it up?

      how come I had one of my trainees whom is actually a business woman complain about it?

      I train her, but she train others to whom she sure will be telling not to come anywhere close to this forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        One person said something negative and you think that means the reputation of the Warrior Forum is being killed?

        Anyone who doesn't recognize how much help can be found here either hasn't spent much time here or simply doesn't know how forums work.

        Are there jerks here? Yes.
        Are there takers here? Yup.

        Is this just like any other forum? Uh-huh.

        I don't get how she could say she got "lots of help" yet have the negative views she proclaims. That just seems contradictory to me.

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        • Profile picture of the author DB Curtiss
          Actually, I find many of the participants here to be exceptionally well-mannered and informative. I would rather read fewer well thought out responses instead of basically the same reply.

          Having spent enough time in the off line world of sales and marketing dealing with obnoxious aholes, they strike me as far worse then the few I've read here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
    Perhaps people are not responding to the thread as they do not have anything constructive to add to it??
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    • Profile picture of the author Teresa Coppes
      Originally Posted by Kirahster View Post

      Perhaps people are not responding to the thread as they do not have anything constructive to add to it??
      I agree with Kirahster. Plus, as you the OP mentioned, you browsed for quite awhile before you signed up. So the views are not only members but those who are not.

      In fact, I have one of Daniel's post subscribed too & view it often, can only thank him once, & share the post with others who come to the WF and that post fits their needs. So view count can be misconstrued.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        (Be nice Steve)

        Let me ask you a question.

        You go to your favorite shopping mall. One store there has really lousy
        customer service and treats people like dirt.

        Do you stop going to the mall just because of one store?

        Do you think the mall's reputation is killed because of one store?

        You're still going to go to the mall and visit the stores you do like.

        Well, it's the same thing here.

        There are good members and not so good members.

        The good ones, you listen to. The not so good ones, you ignore OR, if
        they become really abusive and violate the forum's TOS, you report them
        and they get banned.

        Problem solved.

        Seems to me that you're focusing on the bad and excluding the good.

        If you are looking for Utopia, I hear there is a spot up in heaven waiting
        for you.

        Because that's the only place it exists.

        This forum is what it is and is still the best IM forum on the planet.

        It's reputation is just fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Sorry,
    I disagree with you.
    The world is not perfect.
    I continue to learn more than I thought I knew.
    People thank you in many different ways.
    I believe I have actually made friends whom I may meet at a seminar
    and discuss IM someday.
    This is not supposed to be your typical forum, it is much more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    This is nothing new. It's been this way for years. Some people here are really good folks and others have their own agenda.

    I don't think it's a case of "Killing The Good Reputation Of The Warrior Forum" - I think this forum already had a reputation for being what it is.

    It's arguably the best free resource for learning how to make money online. It's also a marketplace where lots of people earn good money. There are Pros and Cons. Lots of benefits here, but occasionally you have to deal with a few jerks with huge egos who think they're always right.

    They'll probably tell you to deal with it, it's not a democracy, there's the door if you don't like it, etc. You have to be a bit thick skinned if you want to actively participate and share your opinions here.
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    • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
      Speaking strictly from my experiences with other forums, this one is actually MUCH TAMER than most!

      As far as the information available here, I have only purchased TWO ebooks in my entire internet career, and both were purchased from warriors in this forum. And, I have not been disappointed in either!

      I do agree with not posting unless there's a relevant question and/or comment to add to the discussion in the thread. Too much "fluff" in the thread detracts from the main topic, and that's why we're reading the thread to start with. However, clicking the "Thanks" button more often wouldn't hurt any of us!
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    1. Most people come to the thread, read the valuable informative opening post, and just leave without thanking the OP or even taking time to make a quick post reply in the thread.
    Honestly, sometimes those quick little posts seem to the make a thread unnecessarily long. I definitely agree that a reply post should ADD something to a thread. Whether you are talking about your own experience or adding to the OP's original idea. A quick little hello and thank you seems like a waste to me...

    2. Most people do not visit the OP's profile.
    Did you know that a majority of profile vists on most message boards happen completely by accident? A viewer tries to click a thread link but instead shot too low and clicked the posters name instead...

    4. Most people do not subscribe to the thread or come back to it after they had posted once to it.
    I think this depends entirely on the message board. For me personally I have taken the time to make this post, which means I will be coming back to it to see your thoughts on my thoughts. This is a very focused board and most people want feedback...

    5. Most people just post to these kind of threads to brag about themselves and not to ad valuable information to the thread.
    I'm not sure what can be considered bragging or not, but thats just how it goes. Even in face to face group interactions isn't there always the one person with the big ego?

    Bottom line is that I personally find this place extremely helpful. It is full of like minded individuals and the kind of forum I have been seeking for a long time...
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    The numbers that visit this forum is the vote for or against it.

    As for the analysis of the 'bad' vs. the 'good' people here, it's
    a reflection of any general population.

    For sure, you can't wear your feelings on your sleeve in ANY
    public forum, but if there is any other forum on the subject
    of IM that comes close to the Warriors, I don't know about
    it.

    Does this means that I like EVERYTHING about the forum, NO.

    But I don't like EVERYTHING about my wife either--but I won't
    exchange her for the world. You get a mixture of good and
    bad anywhere you go--WF is no exception.

    For sure, the good outweighs the bad here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Every thread will get a lot more views than it will replies. Not everyone has something to say, and truth be told, a LOT of nonregistered guests hang out at the WF, too, always reading but never have anything to say.

    You're not really going to get a feel for how people interact unless you interact yourself, which you've only been doing throughout this month.

    There are ALWAYS a few bad apples in every forum, but to be brutally honest with you, the overwhelming majority of people here are helpful and positive. If you don't believe me, check out the "other WF" or that other place that nobody here likes to talk about... one is filled with ranty people who'll eat you alive, the other's filled with amoral thieves and scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Pena
    Over the years I have been involved with alot of forums. I can tell you that the WF is a mcuh better place then those and generally I find things to be calm around here. The WF is a great place where all of us get to express ideas, innovation, and share our success and failures for others to learn from.

    With this comes the opportunity to comment or critique on any particular posting. While there are some that take things out of context. Overall I believe we have a great thing here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Revolves
    Majority of the people in any forum lurk around, and don't normally reply. Maybe they're busy, or they don't like to communicate. And I don't find that thing too harsh as you (or your trainee) make it look.

    When you contribute something, you do so to help others. And if your info is good, then you will surely help a lot. But never contribute expecting some reward in return. This includes the expectation of 1000s of replies to a topic.

    That's the way the world is. Sometimes, no one acknowledges your work. And worse, sometimes, you're blamed even if you do a good job. However, we have to learn to live through it all.

    Giving up WF would be one of the biggest mistake for anyone. Brush off the sand and find the gold, there's a lot of it here.

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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    1. If a thread has a thoughtful, valuable OP there is nothing I hate more than the one-liners below it saying "thx, great post, dude". Do you really think we need that garbage?

    2. Why should I visit profile pages... like yours? Is there anything that really tells me more about you than the profile info visible here? Sorry, this is not about picking on you - but can you give any reason why should we visit en masse each other's profile pages?

    3. How do you know who is subscribing to threads and who's not?
    I mainly post in specific threads where users ask for help. When I know the solution, I post my answer. I don't need to subscribe to it... although for the OP might be helpful

    4. Yes, I don't care about a lot of people. Because I don't know them and they do everything possible to feel that's better to avoid them.

    5. I am often harsh/mean... but not with OPs sharing their knowledge but with ignorant and stupid people. And I don't even feel bad about it!

    6. The Main Discussion forum being the place where we talk about making money - how is this thread adding any value?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    The Graduate,

    Well, you get an A for effort for putting together your numbers, but ultimately when you use terms like "most", what are you really basing that on? I also don't see how one person complaining about a forum proves anything. And lets face it, people are generally looking out for their best interests. I've seen this same behavior in travel forums, stock investing forums, etc.

    I've got my own gripes about this forum to be frank, however I generally keep them to myself because I realize that I am responsible on what I habitually focus on. I have chosen to focus on the good people here, the ones that actively participate and give good information. The ones that are jerks or egotistical morons I simply block them or ignore them (most of the time).

    There's also something to be said for personal responsibility. You usually get out what you put in. I didn't really see the value of this forum until I actually stopped being a "guest", registered, and began actively participating. I used the PM feature and introduced myself, I held mini "masterminds" at local restaurants in Los Angeles and Orange Country, I attended seminars where other Warriors were, and I gave a helping hand (most behind the scenes) to people who really needed it.

    Over time I've made great friendships, both personal and business, and have found this forum to be a great place to continue networking, learning, and giving back. And those are worth more to me than a few silly ego maniacs who like lying about how much money they make or people who whine about gooros or a specific marketing tactic.

    I'll be the first to admit this place isn't perfect, but in the end it's what you make of it. And I have chosen to make this a positive experience despite a few bad apples because there are still plenty of good folks around.

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    • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
      thanks for your comments

      My reason for this thread was nothing personal against the WF, I have been visiting this Forum since a long time ago, I know the value of the information you can find by just browsing around the forum a couple of minutes a day.
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      • Profile picture of the author acrasial
        Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

        thanks for your comments

        My reason for this thread was nothing personal against the WF, I have been visiting this Forum since a long time ago, I know the value of the information you can find by just browsing around the forum a couple of minutes a day.


        Good luck trying to get anyone involved in this to understand. Those who are doing it will definitely be against you, and I also suspect that many don't even realize what they are doing to begin with.


        Imagine someone telling you that everything you are doing is wrong? Especially if you thought you meant well? Doesn't sit well with people, especially here. LOL


        Also, you may want to weigh out the pro's as well. I already laid out the pro's a long time ago.


        And finally, here is what I have been told:

        This is not my forum. I shouldn't come in here trying to change it. and finally, that if I didn't like it, why do I even come here?


        That is the attitude of this forum. Welcome to earth. But you could at least offer some suggestions for this forum, so the warriors can get a few more good laughs at your expense.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So what is it you are suggesting? Perhaps we can encourage trolls to rack up their post counts with completely inane responses of "good post. Thanks for that" - and somehow this is going to make a better forum?

    New flash - If I don't feel like responding to an OP or thread, I'm not going to do it. You wouldn't believe how often I read half of the OP then just click off. I really am not concerned about sitting and analyzing how helpful that piece might be to someone else and don't feel I should have to sign a "guestbook" just to look at something.

    When I get something out of a post I will either comment or sometimes I will hit the "thanks" button.

    I can't imagine people needing an ego stroke over a post so badly that they would attempt to mandate responses to a thread. If someone is so afraid that they won't get thousands of replies to a thread, IM is really not the best place for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Teresa Coppes View Post

      I agree with Kirahster. Plus, as you the OP mentioned, you browsed for quite awhile before you signed up. So the views are not only members but those who are not.
      In fact, I have one of Daniel's post subscribed too & view it often, can only thank him once, & share the post with others who come to the WF and that post fits their needs. So view count can be misconstrued.
      Exactly.

      @The OP: You seem to be drawing your conclusions about thread participation without understanding what the view count figures mean. Do you know for a fact how these figures are computed?

      If, as is likely, the count includes the browsing of all non members (which would have included yourself until recently) and also factors in all repeat visits to a thread, any judgement you then make regarding members' contributions based on a fraction of the view count is close to meaningless. And it certainly wouldn't allow you to use phrases such as "most people" with any degree of authority or accuracy.

      I'm sure most regular visitors and active members will already be aware of the immense value within this forum - without feeling the need to undertake any extensive thread analysis.


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      • Profile picture of the author emumbert1
        Graduate,

        I can't agree with you, even though I see exactly what you're driving at. A forum is a complex beast. It's a real slice of life. The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. I put most forum readers (not participants) in the first category. Many people are spectators until they see a hot button topic that prompts them to get involved. Some of these spectators start to gravitate toward the Bad when they get in discussions that are maybe over their heads or that they get slapped around for their answers. Then, they sit back on the sidelines again until something else grabs their attention. It's my opinion that the Bad in a forum can come from people who just can't help but "know it all" about every subject and want to get their 2 cents in on everything. Then, they will argue their point until either the cows come home or the moderator shuts off debate.

        The Ugly are those people who are God's gift to the world of the Internet. These superior intellects love to make anybody who asks a question feel so inferior or uncomfortable that they slink out of the forum with their tails between their legs and sit on the sidelines.

        Just as it takes all kinds of people to make a world...it takes all kinds to make a forum. In a perfect world, we would all be polite, civil and helpful to each other. Unfortunately, life doesn't work like that.

        I guess my point in all this rambling is that your friend might want to just stick with it and ignore the bad things...because there is lot's of good stuff in a forum to counter balance the bad.

        Sign me the eternal optimist.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      So what is it you are suggesting? Perhaps we can encourage trolls to rack up their post counts with completely inane responses of "good post. Thanks for that" - and somehow this is going to make a better forum?

      New flash - If I don't feel like responding to an OP or thread, I'm not going to do it. You wouldn't believe how often I read half of the OP then just click off. I really am not concerned about sitting and analyzing how helpful that piece might be to someone else and don't feel I should have to sign a "guestbook" just to look at something.

      When I get something out of a post I will either comment or sometimes I will hit the "thanks" button.

      I can't imagine people needing an ego stroke over a post so badly that they would attempt to mandate responses to a thread. If someone is so afraid that they won't get thousands of replies to a thread, IM is really not the best place for them.
      I do not know exactly what having a high post count accomplishes for anybody, I have seen arguments about post count in several forums (I only visit a hand full of them) and I have not been able to figure out the reason why somebody would make posts just to see them increase in numbers.

      I truly do not believe that MOST people who write and make their writings public do it just because they want to be able to come back to their writings and read to themselves over and over again. Yes, people write publicly to get some kind of reaction from others, I as a human being who knows a little bit of psychology try to show my recognition to other people's valuable and helpful writings every single chance I get, if I can't comment on their writing because they do not provide me with a the opportunity to do so, I at least visit the links they most of the time provide. Yes, there is a human being on the other side of that writing, and that human needs some kind of recognition and motivation so they can keep doing what they are doing happily (nothing to do with big ego)

      I do not believe that someone who comes to this forum and starts 71 threads do it just to be talking to himself or herself, but that is me.

      Yes they do want people to visit their profiles, if that was not the case they would not take the time to provide one.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

        I do not know exactly what having a high post count accomplishes for anybody, I have seen arguments about post count in several forums (I only visit a hand full of them) and I have not been able to figure out the reason why somebody would make posts just to see them increase in numbers.

        I truly do not believe that MOST people who write and make their writings public do it just because they want to be able to come back to their writings and read to themselves over and over again. Yes, people write publicly to get some kind of reaction from others, I as a human being who knows a little bit of psychology try to show my recognition to other people's valuable and helpful writings every single chance I get, if I can't comment on their writing because they do not provide me with a the opportunity to do so, I at least visit the links they most of the time provide. Yes, there is a human being on the other side of that writing, and that human needs some kind of recognition and motivation so they can keep doing what they are doing happily (nothing to do with big ego)

        I do not believe that someone who comes to this forum and starts 71 threads do it just to be talking to himself or herself, but that is me.

        Yes they do want people to visit their profiles, if that was not the case they would not take the time to provide one.
        There are a lot of people who will post anything to get post counts - so they can do WSO's etc. Plus many see value in a high post count.
        I know what your arguments are - and I even understand your position. Yes people can actually slam people just for speaking up. But to insist on answering posts, is a bit over-board. We don't need people getting habits of posting if they don't have something valuable to add just like we don't need people posting if they don't have something real to say. If everyone followed suit with what you are proposing, we'd end up with a forum of page after page of nothing worth reading through. No matter how great a person's post, nobody should be writing a reply if they don't have something to say - that's what the thanks button is for - to acknowledge something we got something out of even though we don't have much to add.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

    She explained to me that although she had gotten a lot of help from people in this forum, she felt like most people in this forum did not really care much about others, and that most times most people here were too harsh on those contributing to the forum with their knowledge and experience, that's basically what she said to me
    Honestly I cannot see any truth in this statement. WF has by far the most helpful crowd in IM world.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OK, I do NOT understand what you are trying to say....

    1. OK, what reason do you have to believe you have ANY real idea of all that happens, ESPECIALLY when you haven't really spent time here?

    2. You don't even know where she is coming from? And HEY, some "contributing" to the forum are NOT doing so, and DESERVE harsh treatment. Some here have spoken about spamming and hacking! ONE guy even published a book he was trying to sell on getting into some paypal sites.

    3. Who are YOU to say it is "informative"? I don't care if it answered the questions of the cosmos, etc... If the visitor already knew it, or it didn't answer their question, it was NOT valuable or informative to them. And if EVERYONE thanked and/or left a reply, things could get real busy real quick. Besides, the counts are APPROXIMATIONS! If a cookie is cleared, or they use multiple computers, or they used multiple browsers, etc... the counts COULD increase incorrectly.

    2. Most people do not visit the OP's profile.
    And do you REALIZE how much of a load that would be if everyone went to the profile every time they read a post? WHY do that?

    3. Some people just post to diminish the value of the OP's original post.
    You could mean a LOT of things by that, but if a post advocates spam, illegality, or speaks of some quirk that is wrong or not useful, I may speak up. Others have also.

    4. Most people do not subscribe to the thread or come back to it after they had posted once to it.
    I HOPE NOT! Besides, if they see no value in even the IDEA, why would they?

    5. Most people just post to these kind of threads to brag about themselves and not to ad valuable information to the thread.
    OK, THAT I have not seen. SOME offer help, or something similar, but BRAGGING?

    Here is an example: Daniel Brock has posted 71 threads most of them informative type threads, let's look at the numbers related to just four of them, let's call these threads a, b, c, and d

    A) 17227 views, 267 replies

    B) 23997 views, 377 replies

    C) 8481 views, 111 replies :confused:

    D) 3599 views, 93 replies


    This are just 4 of his 71 threads

    Visits to his profile:

    2213, keep in mind that just four of his 71 threads have been viewed 53304 times


    I do not know how this looks to you, it sure looks really bad to me that we are doing this kind of thing to our own internet marketers here in our community.
    It looks to me like YOU are bragging in a way. Who are YOU to say the post is INFORMATIVE to the person reading it. Nobody here could say that, because they would have to know where the person is, and what they want. And the views are APPROXIMATIONS, and not 100% accurate. HECK, I have gotten impatient sometimes on slow connections, and gone to the wrong thread by mistake. I won't read it and leave a message just so the stats make a little more sense to you.

    NOBODY here would make money if they were that good, because everyone would be psychic and already have all the answers and tools. I gguess stores would shut down because all their customers would just go to the best suppliers and buy direct.


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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      No offense, but most of the new threads on this forum, have been repeated before on this same forum. Sometimes I'll peek in on a thread like that, but most of the time if the subject has been covered and recovered, I'll just back out of it. I don't mean any disrespect by not commenting, but in this business time is money (though I will admit to spending too much time in this forum some times). If I were to comment on every thread I've seen before, it would be a huge waste of time for me. So I just back out, and let someone that hasn't seen the thread before comment.

      I won't say that I haven't seen disrespect here. But any time I've seen someone disrespected, there's always someone else jumping in to defend the integrity of the forum.

      The responses to this thread alone should be proof of this forum's good intentions. Had you of posted this same thread on other forums I know of, you'd have been punished unmercifully. As it is I'm sure there are some chomping at the bit, but are holding their tongue just because they are on this forum.

      Anyone that hangs out here long enough knows that this place has nothing but good intentions at heart.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Advice is fine, but the idea that everyone should check the persons profile every time, subscribe, and thank, is ridiculous and a waste.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author mjeansmith
    "She explained to me that although she had gotten a lot of help from people in this forum, she felt like most people in this forum did not really care much about others, and that most times most people here were too harsh on those contributing to the forum with their knowledge and experience."

    I thought that helping people was the purpose of a forum, this one or any others. When people share their experience and ideas the purpose of the forum has been completed. How one person views what another says is individual and may come across as harsh to one and a "walk in the park" to another.

    Thank you for the topic. May we all learn from and with each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author purplecone
    I don't have much experience with other forums, so I can't comment on that. What I can comment on is the quality and quantity of information here for newbies, as well as more seasoned marketers. This forum is my Ace in the Hole to help me survive the loss of my job. Without the information I have found here, the advice, and the genuine concern I have found in the writings of the warriors, I would be much further away from success than I am. By the way, the War Room membership is the best thing I ever did for my career in marketing.

    I don't answer all the posts I read. It's not that I don't have time, afterall, I am not fully employed anymore, but that I don't know enough to add to the conversation. I am in learning mode right now, not teaching mode. When I am at the point that I can teach, I will be happy to contribute.

    Linda
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Nothing new...Not to brag, but I've been hurting the reputation of this forum for more than 7 years.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Nothing new...Not to brag, but I've been hurting the reputation of this forum for more than 7 years.

      You have earned your right to brag, Hey(no offense) believe it or not there are lot's of masochists still out there
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Nothing new...Not to brag, but I've been hurting the reputation of this forum for more than 7 years.
      I wanna be like Kurt when I grow up.

      (sorry for the utterly useless post.)
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    The OT forum has a good reputation :confused: :confused: :confused:
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    Why do garden gnomes smell so bad?
    So that blind people can hate them as well.
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