6 year old girl hangs herself in Oregon

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Today a girl who would have been 7 in two days hung herself
after being reprimanded by her mother and sent to her room.
The girl threatened to kill herself, but her mother didn't believe
it.

The medical examiner's office has officially ruled it a suicide. But
it sounds like professionals are stating that a child of that age
doesn't understand death or suicide.

She's officially the youngest person in Oregon to commit suicide.

Unbelievable. Kids ain't suppose to grow-up that fast. I'm guessing
she learned about suicide from TV and movies. But just a guess.
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    It's going to be a long time before I hear anything sadder than that.

    6?

    That's still the age of innocence.

    There had to be more going on.

    And IF it was learned from media, of any kind, then why weren't the parents there monitoring what that little girl saw?

    Too many parents want to be their kid's best friend instead of a parent. They think saying no to them is wrong. They think they should be allowed to do whatever they want. Whatever "feels good".

    Hogwash!

    It's one thing to ruin your own life, but to do it to a child is downright cruel.

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  • Profile picture of the author Teresa Coppes
    That is so unbelievably sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Wow thats sad. What could be so terrible in a 6 year olds life that suicide would be the answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The question is - where do children learn about suicide? At six years old most kids don't fully comprehend the permanence of death.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    Im betting either it was learned from the media in general...or they know someone that commited suicide.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andie
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      Im betting either it was learned from the media in general...or they know someone that commited suicide.
      I'm also leaning toward --somehow something in her short life included someone suicidal - some kind of exposure to the topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andie
    Cannot wrap my mind around this...does not compute.
    At 6...why would a child's mind even include that in possible response to getting in trouble?? I am not sure at that age my kids would be aware of 'ways' to kill themselves much attempt to follow through with action. this just makes no sense to me....
    there must be something more to this

    horribly sad..
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    At 6 I didn't even know the word "suicide". And I certainly wouldn't have even known how to hang myself or even comprehend the concept. I could probably barely tie a knot in the first place. How does a 6 year old even learn how to hang herself??
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Look, normally if I don't want anything to do with a thread I just stay out of it -- but come on, what possible good does it do anybody to spread this kind of awful stuff around?
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        Look, normally if I don't want anything to do with a thread I just stay out of it -- but come on, what possible good does it do anybody to spread this kind of awful stuff around?
        Well Ken... you never know. Maybe, just MAYBE some parent's kid may
        say something like, "I'll kill myself." And maybe that kid is young, or whatever,
        and maybe the parent had either read this. or heard about it, and then
        maybe it will compel the parent to act differently.

        It is a terrible thing, Ken. So just because you are unable to deal with this -
        don't assume others feel the same, or won't find something of possible value.

        Hope your day improves.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    This is really sad and it does make you wonder where would a child learn this. I am sure when I was 6 I didn't know the word either. Is the media responsible or the parents ? This is a difficult question to answer because none of us should be the one to throw the first stone.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

    Today a girl who would have been 7 in two days hung herself
    after being reprimanded by her mother and sent to her room.
    The girl threatened to kill herself, but her mother didn't believe
    it.

    The medical examiner's office has officially ruled it a suicide. But
    it sounds like professionals are stating that a child of that age
    doesn't understand death or suicide.

    She's officially the youngest person in Oregon to commit suicide.

    Unbelievable. Kids ain't suppose to grow-up that fast. I'm guessing
    she learned about suicide from TV and movies. But just a guess.
    Man, this is ************************STUPID******************** ******

    What planet is everyone from!@#$%^*()_?! I Not only knew about death and suicide when I was 7, but I wanted to commit suicide. I didn't see any reason to be here. When I was 8, the FIRST thing I said when I woke up from a car crash was... "Were's Andy? He's DEAD, isn't he?" Yet there was a CONSPIRACY created of which my dad was the second one and sort of a pawn, to try to convince me that he was ALIVE! SUPPOSEDLY, I was too young to understand what I figured out myself in SECONDS. My closest friend at the time, that was actually a month YOUNGER than I was was a part of the conspiracy, and she once said something like "Your dad asked us not to tell you, but Andy is dead.". My reaction was something like "Yeah, I figured that.". I mean he WASN'T in my ambulance, wasn't in my hospital, didn't come to see me or leave a message at any point, didn't tell anyone who I was or where I lived, and wasn't there to pick me up, etc... I was actually in a kind of orphanage for a little while. we had just moved and I didn't know my mothers address,, I never bothered to learn my fathers or andy's address.

    It turned out that Andy had a heart attack, smashed into a telephone pole, and the steering wheel went into his chest so he had no hope of being revived.

    SO WHY didn't I commit suicide? Why am I not dead? Well, the two things I fear are pain and debilitation. If I coulld just kill myself, I would. HECK, I would have the best vacation I ever could, and just off myself. But I know I felt that way BEFORE I was 8. I was even hoping that in 2004 I would just DIE!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW my rant was because I HATE all these OBVIOUS lies like:

    1. Kids are 100% innocent and don't understand consequences.
    2. Kids don't understand death,
    3. Animals can't think.
    4. Kids can't be logical.
    5. Bullies don't exist.
    6. adults always tell the truth.
    7. Boys are always evil mischievous destructive bullies, etc...
    8. Girls are always sweet innocent angels
    9. etc....

    Just makes me VERY upset.

    The REAL problem is NOT that a 6yo committed suicide! The REAL problem is that she was in a position where she felt that that was FAR better than being alive. If nobody sees the REAL problem, it will just keep continuing. And THAT is why I get so upset about such things.

    I feel just as sorry about her suicide as anyone else. Unless there was some physical malady that caused her grief, she probably committed suicide because of how she was treated.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW my rant was because I HATE all these OBVIOUS lies like:

      1. Kids are 100% innocent and don't understand consequences.
      2. Kids don't understand death,
      3. Animals can't think.
      4. Kids can't be logical.
      5. Bullies don't exist.
      6. adults always tell the truth.
      7. Boys are always evil mischievous destructive bullies, etc...
      8. Girls are always sweet innocent angels
      9. etc....

      Just makes me VERY upset.

      The REAL problem is NOT that a 6yo committed suicide! The REAL problem is that she was in a position where she felt that that was FAR better than being alive. If nobody sees the REAL problem, it will just keep continuing. And THAT is why I get so upset about such things.

      I feel just as sorry about her suicide as anyone else. Unless there was some physical malady that caused her grief, she probably committed suicide because of how she was treated.

      Steve
      Your list and not seeing the problem are not mutually exclusive.

      And they are "OBVIOUS" to you, but that doesn't make you "RIGHT" and it doesn't make me "WRONG" for feelng something else.

      Regardless, I'm sure we both agree that it was a tragic thing to happen. If anybody says they are going to kill themselves, it should be taken seriously; whether the person is 6, 16, 40, or 75.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Your list and not seeing the problem are not mutually exclusive.

        And they are "OBVIOUS" to you, but that doesn't make you "RIGHT" and it doesn't make me "WRONG" for feelng something else.

        Regardless, I'm sure we both agree that it was a tragic thing to happen. If anybody says they are going to kill themselves, it should be taken seriously; whether the person is 6, 16, 40, or 75.

        ~Michael
        Personally I think that given the right circumstances, if an adult wants to kill themselves, its not necessarily a bad thing. But kids?
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW my rant was because I HATE all these OBVIOUS lies like:

      1. Kids are 100% innocent and don't understand consequences.
      2. Kids don't understand death,
      3. Animals can't think.
      4. Kids can't be logical.
      5. Bullies don't exist.
      6. adults always tell the truth.
      7. Boys are always evil mischievous destructive bullies, etc...
      8. Girls are always sweet innocent angels
      9. etc....

      Just makes me VERY upset.

      The REAL problem is NOT that a 6yo committed suicide! The REAL problem is that she was in a position where she felt that that was FAR better than being alive. If nobody sees the REAL problem, it will just keep continuing. And THAT is why I get so upset about such things.

      I feel just as sorry about her suicide as anyone else. Unless there was some physical malady that caused her grief, she probably committed suicide because of how she was treated.

      Steve
      Steve... why do you let yourself become upset? Serious question and not
      being sarcastic.

      The problem will always be there. It always has been there because we're
      talking about human behavior. I'm not dismissing it, or saying it's ok or anything
      like that. I'm just looking at it the way it is. But I'm not criticizing you, either.

      Lots and lots of things used to get me extremely upset. But they were things
      that were and always will be beyond my control. So it's a waste of personal
      energy to allow myself to become upset about it.

      We have our spheres of influence, and it really is pretty small.

      Of course a person can decide to take on a large problem, but if that is done
      then it will consume a tremendous amount of time and energy. If a person
      can't do that for whatever reason, then I don't see the reason for expending
      the energy getting upset.

      What are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Steve,
    I hear ya.

    I have a 3 year old grand daughter that I would match up to nearly any one here on the
    forum logic wise. She understood right from wrong and many other things prior to
    being taught. TV has it's pro's and con's like everything else in life. For some, too much knowledge
    too fast isn't a good thing and for others(inquiring minds)it could be a God send.

    Some children pick up things and adults don't even realize it. The simple things in life
    such as speakin to a friend about another friend that committed the S word can stick
    in a childs mind until they understand the meaning. When they do it could be more
    than they can handle and then they THINK they understand the concept but they
    don't understand the end result. They may think I'll show you with out understanding
    that the choise is final. Sad but true.

    Hell, It's hard for an adult to get through that with all the knowledge they have
    let alone a child that has nothing to gage it against.

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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Never, ever, EVER blow off anyone who even mentions suicide. If they talk about it, jump on it immediately - don't wait till next time, you might not GET a next time.

    I'd rather somebody else say I was the crazy bitch who severely overreacted than for someone to die.

    Such a terrible tragedy...
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    With all the coverage on that girl in Mass., I bet she got the idea from TV or the 'net.
    Sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    I have heard parents saying they want to die and even screaming at each other that they would be better off dead. I have seen a little boy of 6, deserted temporarily by his mother, put his hands around his throat and threaten suicide. Kids get unhappy for many reasons and you don't have to go far to hear the words' kill myself' or they 'killed themselves'. The tragedy in this case is that she may not have known the full consequences of her actions but she did it anyway. Maybe she was seeking attention or asking for help that never came.

    Parents murder their kids in many ways and this is probably just another example of bad parenting with consequences

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Ya know, I was on a forum and knew a girl that was like 16. She seemed to have everything going for her, smart, had a nice hobby, knew at least 3 languages, she was pretty, etc.., She had some problems, some people harassed her, and she killed herself.

    Michael Oksa,

    The list was not meant to be exhaustive, etc... And some people simply have a chemical balance problem or similar. I think that is MY problem, though other things exacerbate it. And my opinions are NOT merely my own. I have known others that feel the same, and some HAVE killed themselves.

    KenThompson,

    I can't help it., It isn't like it affects my entire life. If my immediate conciousness were filled up with all the grief, I would probably just take my gun and shoot myself.

    You know, I actually had a biology teacher that LAUGHED at the idea of holding your breath until you die. Because, of course, you would become unconscious, start breathing, and wake up. He was right of course, but a person failing would just find another way. HECK, when I was younger, people decided to overdose on sleeping pills. They had to remove them from the market. If I have trouble sleeping, I would have to go to the doctor, or just suffer. The OTC pills in the stores do NOTHING for me!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Edk
    It is unbelievable. What is very serious - believe me this is covered up (around 10 years ago I remember hearing in semi-hushed tones about stuff being covered up that have blown up now into the public gaze; embarrassing), anyway if you forgive the syntax what is being covered up is A LOT of these high profile 'this is unbelievable scenarios' have behind them, the increased medication of people - younger ones more and more.

    That some of these incidents are drug related is covered up quite a bit! And some of the medications carry FDA warnings now. I have no idea if there's medication involved, there may not be, but this is my 2 cents worth
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Edk View Post

      It is unbelievable. What is very serious - believe me this is covered up (around 10 years ago I remember hearing in semi-hushed tones about stuff being covered up that have blown up now into the public gaze; embarrassing), anyway if you forgive the syntax what is being covered up is A LOT of these high profile 'this is unbelievable scenarios' have behind them, the increased medication of people - younger ones more and more.

      That some of these incidents are drug related is covered up quite a bit! And some of the medications carry FDA warnings now. I have no idea if there's medication involved, there may not be, but this is my 2 cents worth
      YEAH, one of the side effects of most medication made to STOP depression is SEVERE depression and "THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE"!

      NO JOKE!

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        YEAH, one of the side effects of most medication made to STOP depression is SEVERE depression and "THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE"!

        NO JOKE!

        Steve

        There apparently are a lot of medications like that if you listen close to the commercials. between anal leakage and thoughts of suicide..i think i'll just stick with whatever the disease is.
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  • Profile picture of the author digital_girl
    Ohh that is really sad.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I'm not discounting anything that's already been said, but there is another possibility here. The poor girl may not have thought the effects were permanent...

      Back when I taught Hunter Education (aka 'Gun Safety') classes for the Nebraska Game & Parks people, one of the resources we used was an old news story about a boy, might even have been 6 at the time, who got into a fight with his brother, dug out Daddy's pistol and shot him.

      When asked why he shot his brother, the kid stated that he thought it was going to work just like his cartoons - there would be a big round hole that would close up, and they'd go back to playing.

      Some kids at that age may very well understand the idea of suicide and want to get out of this world. Others may think hanging themselves is the same as 'holding their breath until they turn blue'...

      Whether it's TV, movies or video games, no matter how many times a character gets killed, they always come back. I'm sure there are kids out there who don't grasp the permanence of death until someone they know goes away and doesn't come back.

      Either way, it's tragic, and I'd hate to have to live with the guilt that mother must be feeling...
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        I'm not discounting anything that's already been said, but there is another possibility here. The poor girl may not have thought the effects were permanent...

        Back when I taught Hunter Education (aka 'Gun Safety') classes for the Nebraska Game & Parks people, one of the resources we used was an old news story about a boy, might even have been 6 at the time, who got into a fight with his brother, dug out Daddy's pistol and shot him.

        When asked why he shot his brother, the kid stated that he thought it was going to work just like his cartoons - there would be a big round hole that would close up, and they'd go back to playing.

        Some kids at that age may very well understand the idea of suicide and want to get out of this world. Others may think hanging themselves is the same as 'holding their breath until they turn blue'...

        Whether it's TV, movies or video games, no matter how many times a character gets killed, they always come back. I'm sure there are kids out there who don't grasp the permanence of death until someone they know goes away and doesn't come back.

        Either way, it's tragic, and I'd hate to have to live with the guilt that mother must be feeling...
        I have heard this story before, etc,,, But, oddly, I have *********NEVER********* believed that way! NEVER! So, did he believe animals can speak english, that cats can be fooled into thinking skunks are cats, that dogs eat spagetti together, that there is a suit that can turn you into superman or that a person can be made out of sand and do almost ANYTHING as long as they don't get wet? Did he believe you can draw a black spot on a wall and go through it, or that drawing come to life? All of that comes from...pepe lepew, lady and the tramp, a superman animated episode, various things, like road runner. So those are actual things kids might see EVEN today.

        Heck, if life were like that, why wouldn't adults do it?

        I truly have to wonder if they aren't simply playing on the idea that so many consider kids to be idiots.

        Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        I'm not discounting anything that's already been said, but there is another possibility here. The poor girl may not have thought the effects were permanent...
        John,

        That's what I was thinking, yesterday.

        I first heard this story on the radio. They said she hung herself with a
        belt. My feeling is she was mad at her mother and had no idea of the
        consequences of her actions.

        But as Steve has pointed out, some kids may understand very well
        about death and the things that cause it. Hell, I don't know.

        I was 7 or 8 when my brother called home to tell us he had orders
        to go to Vietnam. He was in the Marines. My sister was about 9, but I
        remember my sister talking to my brother and crying. I talked to him, too,
        and understood what was going on. I knew there was a war, people
        were getting killed every day, and I knew it was possible for my brother
        to get killed. I also realized that could be the last time I would ever talk
        to him, too.

        But he made it back.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

          ...I was 7 or 8 when my brother called home to tell us he had orders
          to go to Vietnam. He was in the Marines. ... I knew it was possible for my brother
          to get killed. I also realized that could be the last time I would ever talk
          to him, too.

          But he made it back.
          That's another thing too, the whole idea of war would make NO sense if it were just a game such that all would end up were they started. The very threat of comiting suicide would be empty and devoid of meaning. Even the idea of a cut, or surgery, would make no sense.

          BTW I'm glad to hear your brother made it back. I hope he made it in one piece.

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Wow that is really sad.

    But I have to agree with Steve on this.

    My little sister's first suicide attempt was at about 8, and they continued from that point forward.

    Granted she has a mental disorder that has caused her behaviour, she still tried it the first time very very young. And no she was never allowed to watch TV shows that showed things like that. We were raised on Disney and kid shows. My mom never liked to watch the news because of the horrible things going on in the world (I am now the same way as an adult, I will read the paper etc, it's not a case of not knowing what is going on in the world, it's a case of the world has become so negative I don't want it influencing my daily life.) I wouldn't go blaming this on the mother, for all you know this child was mentally disturbed. We are often too quick to jump to judgements of others without knowing the full story.

    At least now the child rests in peace from whatever drove her to such a permanant point.

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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I read several reports of this and most said the same thing, at 6 years old she wouldn't really understand the consequences of her actions. That doesn't make it any less sad though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

    Today a girl who would have been 7 in two days hung herself
    after being reprimanded by her mother and sent to her room.
    The girl threatened to kill herself, but her mother didn't believe
    it.
    The part I bolded is beyond comprehension to me. Whether I beleived it or not, such comments need to be addressed/discussed immediately.

    Also, the fact that an almost 7 year old threatened to kill herself after being reprimanded by a parent tells me that there is more going on there than any one of us will ever know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    Perhaps kids have progressed. In my young days it used to be a big enough pain for parents when kids threatened to run away, and many did and still do. Now its suicide or other things. What about kids of 9 and 10 who are murderers? Do they understand the consequences of their actions?

    In Melbourne a few months ago a mother called the police to bring her son home. He was a bit erratic at the time and had flung some abuse and threats at her and took off. The police found him in a park and when he abused and threatened them they shot him dead. He was 14 years old. So how is that mother feeling?

    Its all too horrible
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Perhaps kids have progressed. In my young days it used to be a big enough pain for parents when kids threatened to run away, and many did and still do. Now its suicide or other things. What about kids of 9 and 10 who are murderers? Do they understand the consequences of their actions?

      In Melbourne a few months ago a mother called the police to bring her son home. He was a bit erratic at the time and had flung some abuse and threats at her and took off. The police found him in a park and when he abused and threatened them they shot him dead. He was 14 years old. So how is that mother feeling?

      Its all too horrible
      I never really understood the idea of running away. MAYBE in the 50s or earlier when there was more open land, etc... The closest I came to that was calling CPS. My mother scared me only by saying it may even be worse. In retrospect, maybe I should have finished calling.

      BUT, in the 70s, I DID try suicide. By the time I was able to get sleeping pills, and thought of it, they basically pulled them off the market. I always feared being revived after being debilitated though. 8-( It is like the guy that drank drano. For whatever reason, he decided to stay as he is, but most of his digestive system is GONE!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author billgates.ng
    I would believe anything but this!
    Anyway, things happen always. let's pray the movie industries stop deceiving us.
    In the same vein, let's re-orient our children about fallacies they see in our movies.
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    Sad to learn about this news, I think her parents hurt most now and hope they can get on with their life.
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  • Profile picture of the author GMatthers
    SAD! Electronic media is spoiling our young generation.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeFox
    At this growing year, Parents are the one responsible for this. Proper management and discipline within the house should be establish for I don't think of any reason why a kid can do this at her innocent mind if only parents guided her well. But still, these are just my personal opinion, we don't have to judge them right away for we never know the real reason behind this and the cause of all this.
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  • Profile picture of the author fvrnow
    how do they know how to do stuff like this at such a young age?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by fvrnow View Post

      how do they know how to do stuff like this at such a young age?
      Do WHAT!?!?!?!? People are taught from a VERY young age that things like suffocating can be deadly! And then there is the media. You HAVE to teach them what is dangerous, so they don't kill someone, or put themselves in danger.

      I was once in a BOARDING SCHOOL! People could generally walk in on you ASLEEP, and everyone had a roomate! They actually started doing what they called "the knockout drop". They actually tried, at LEAST once, to get me to have it done. The deal was to press on a persons carotid arteries until they FAINT! I DECLINED! I bet a number of people die from THAT each year! And it could be VERY hard to determine how the person died! BTW a LOT of people DIDN'T decline!

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  • Profile picture of the author chinanews
    And I just read today about a 15 year old girl in MA who hung herself because she was being bullied at school. She was sexually active and had slept with someone's boyfriend. Her parents didn't seem to care much. Pity.
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  • Profile picture of the author armanjackson
    So bad with that girls.

    Its all over the parents responsibility how they prepare their child, for future face.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    A few months ago, I say on a newspaper frontpage a photo of a 7 year old girl and 4 year old boy lying dead on the ground. They had jumped off a 7 floor buildling in Canton, China. Apparently, they killed themselves when their father refused to take them for a swim. That photograph ruined my whole morning.

    Since the children are dead, it is only the parent's words. There could well be other reasons behind it such as severe child abuse. I hope that in cases like these, the parents will be thoroughly investigated.

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  • Profile picture of the author cormierl20
    The child must be really upset to do that. God, she's too young to think of killing herself.
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    "She's officially the youngest person in Oregon to commit suicide."

    In OREGON??? Really? How about EVER?
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  • Profile picture of the author johnmorph
    He who kills himself will go the hell. God says in the holly Quran.

    These kind of stories always gives me the sad feelings. One should not suicide.
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