I'm moving to England and getting on benefits

ShayB

16 years ago

Bunch of losers.

She says they are "self-sufficient"? Is she kidding? :confused:

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tommyp

16 years ago

Sigh, I won't tell my story cause it's too personal but I'm tempted, but damn, how do you justify giving them 32,000 pounds a year while there are homeless people on the street who don't get squat. With 10 kids it may not be much but I can eat well on $50 a week and necessity has made me have to do that so I don't know. Maybe it isn't that much for 12 people but let's see...

6 cans of canned alaskan salmon (3 pink @ $2 each and 3 red @ $5 each) about $21 but I've found I don't even eat that much so it'll probably be half that now
1 steak that I cut in three or four parts and each each piece at a time (or chicken thighs, 6 in a pack or whatever alternating each week) about $6 to $10 depending
4 or 5 gallons of distilled water about $5
4 broccoli crowns about $5 or something
Organic apple juice $3
1 or 2 organic other juice (berry or green, etc.) $4 or $8
Eggs $3
And whatever else I'm forgetting.

I had to sit down and figure this out and so that I could stretch my savings but I can do that on about $50 a week and that's because I don't want to be malnourished because I could do it on less if I chose to eat pasta and other stuff instead. I could also bring that down another $20 if I shopped around but I hate that.

That's basically the list on a weekly basis but not all of it. One week I'll make soup and have some and freeze the rest, same with chicken, etc., and leftovers I save will go on to the next week so I'm not eating exactly the same thing every day. And then there's garlic, onion, brown rice, olive oil, butter, things like oregano, basil, cayenne red pepper, sea salt and whatever and lasts a while so it's not every week.

It also cracks me up how certain people get bigger unemployment checks or whatever the case is because "they have to in order to support the lifestyle they have become accustomed to".

I feel like cussing right now. Everything is so ass backwards.

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valerieSONORA

16 years ago

Shay, pack your bags and let's go. We'll parrr-taaaayyy. Wonder how much benefits you can get with 4 kids?

It's funny how they say they aren't satisfied with their benefits and want MORE. How much free money do they feel they deserve?? Perhaps 2000 pounds a week would satisfy them.

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ShayB 16 years ago

Originally Posted by annoyedgirl

Shay, pack your bags and let's go. We'll parrr-taaaayyy. Wonder how much benefits you can get with 4 kids?

Sounds good to me! Let's go!
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16 years ago

Aw, don't worry about it. When Obama gets elected, the government will take care of us all.
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John Henderson

16 years ago

Annoyed Girl, you don't even know the half of it....

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: £170,000 spent on an Afghan single mother... A story that sums up the howling insanity of modern Britain | Mail Online

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Mike Wright

16 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

Annoyed Girl, you don't even know the half of it....

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: £170,000 spent on an Afghan single mother... A story that sums up the howling insanity of modern Britain | Mail Online

Don't know about "the half of" John ..... more like "the 0.1% of"

What about the insane NHS Trust recently planning to spend £500,000
on a shiny new yacht to take troublesome youngsters on seagoing trips.

The UK is awash with lunatic bureaucrats hiding their outrageous
incompetence behind political correctness and consensus decisions
whilst demanding and getting obscene top management salary packages
from UK taxpayers. This is while the people who actually do real work
in about every public sector struggle to make ends meet

Hopefully, this parasitic culture will be the next to be dealt with
after the parasites in the banking and financial sectors.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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valerieSONORA 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Wright

What about the insane NHS Trust recently planning to spend £500,000
on a shiny new yacht to take troublesome youngsters on seagoing trips.

Ohhh a free seagoing trip on a yacht, that sounds like fun though I wouldn't qualify as a youngster.

I'm just astonished at a 40 year old woman who has never worked at a job a single day and the man hasn't worked in 15 years. But why would they work at some boring job when they do just fine without one and live in a 7 bedroom house for free from the government? Guess you can't blame 'em, if it's handed to them, why not take it? As for the having 10 kids, that really makes them insane.

Here, welfare is temporary and you have to be doing something whether it be school, job training, work, or volunteering for at least 20 hours a week unless you are disabled. You certainly can't be on it your whole life. So I'm just shocked at that story.

Yeah it is funny that they always have enough money for cable, cell phones, cigs and beer.
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16 years ago

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"The US is awash with lunatic bureaucrats hiding their outrageous
incompetence behind political correctness and consensus decisions
whilst demanding and getting obscene top management salary packages
from UK taxpayers. This is while the people who actually do real work
in about every public sector struggle to make ends meet

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jacstone193 16 years ago

Don't get us brits started on the scroungers on benefits - not all of us are like this as I'm sure you know - most of us work damned hard bringing up our kids and working and ensuring that family life is honest, just and about earning your living... I think I should run for office....
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rich85

16 years ago

It is totally ridiculous and it makes me very angry with the way the british government run this country sometimes! Why should us workers pay for other people to sit on there backsides!
I've earned a living since leaving school when i was 16 but i do wonder sometimes where all my tax goes, but now i know!

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valerieSONORA

16 years ago

Originally Posted by radiohead

unless you are "ethnic minority" forget it.

Seriously, I know a family in serious need of real help and they have been gived squat. If you aren't from Africa/Middle East/Carribean/India/Pakistan you will not get much at all.

Well then I'll put on a burqua and call myself Yasmin. :p And I'll borrow 10 kids just long enough to get a free 7 bedroom house, then the kids have gotta go.

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Kay King 16 years ago

KimW - that "quote" doesn't make sense in thie context of this thread. It's possible there are things in the world that AREN'T the fault of the U.S.

What is sad about this story - is that these people are raising 10 children who will believe this is the way to live! Multiply the dole for these bottom feeders by 10....and I feel sorry for the children who may receive the same contempt held for their parents and didn't earn it (yet) themselves.

I'm astounded that people (including in the US) like that can fully comprehend the red tape of getting subsidies and freebies and govt income - and meet every requirement of paperwork, etc - while also claiming they don't have the training to get a job.

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HeySal 16 years ago

It's the same in the US, folks. Those here illegally -yes, that is ILLEGALLY, from Mexico can get a home, a car, food, medical and dental care, free schooling, and money to spend. As a single woman with no children who was born and raised here I'd be almost completely out of luck. A woman with children would get some care, but the government would rule how she raised that child if you disagree, lose the kid.

It isn't incompetence or insanity that is driving this outrageous rape of the citizens -- it is the method they are using to integrate foreigners into populations and thus break down cultural norms and traditions.....that has to be done to kill nationalism so they can implement globalism without major civil wars and apparently it is working rather nicely.

Some people are busy bucking the welfare systems when they should be in action against immigration. With so many very aggressive genocidal wars going on, we need to accept refugees, but they should not be given complete carte blanch rights to everything they could dream of. Set up refugee housing, etc. give them jobs. In America prisoners in our corporate welfare systems are forced to work - so why couldn't refugees and other immigrants pick up trash or make license plates, too, in exchange for apartments, etc. Then when the turmoil is settled in their own countries, send them home. With such a system refuges could be treated with humanity, help support the economy of their rescuers, and be kept from infiltering in a nature that will disrupt local customs, traditions, and laws.

Will someone please elect me for President? I have a big can of whoop ass to serve to the NWO.
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Mike Wright

16 years ago

Originally Posted by radiohead

Olympic games....LOL now they are £100M short and the tax payer has to stump up! I swear...it's going to be a f**** disaster.
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I've earned a living since leaving school when i was 16 but i do wonder sometimes where all my tax goes, but now i know!

They are already trying to back out of one of the new £40million
stadiums hoping the IOC will agree in these troubled times.
Typical Blair-driven showboat project to re-generate London
at everybody's expense. I cannot remember anyone else who has
instigated so many massive projects that have failed or run into
such huge delays and hyper-inflated costs and overruns.

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derekwong28

16 years ago

These stories do sound incredible but I would prefer to hear all sides of it. The newspaper that printed these stories is one of the most conservative tabloids in the UK. I stopped reading UK tabloids long ago when I realized that a lot of their stories are greatly exagerated or just made up. I suspect that the family in question had been paid handsomely.

£32000 GBP for a family of 12 equals £222 per person per month. Anybody who have lived in the UK knows that this is nor really a liveable income. It is fair to say that £1 buys the equivalent of US$1 in the US. I just can't see how they could have £3000 for christmas shopping. I suspect that some members of that family do have some income from outside work but of course that would still be welfare fraud.

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John Henderson 16 years ago

Originally Posted by radiohead

Didn't Australians build it? (no offence but don't they specialaize in prisons/)

Errrm Radiohead, maybe you should have hesitated for a few seconds before posting that one. Just my opinion.

Yes, the re-building of the national football stadium at Wembley was another big mess. It wasn't the fault of the Australian construction company.

1) The government gave the English Football Association about £130 million to be spent on demolishing the old stadium and building a new one. The FA managed to burn through the lot without even finishing the demolition job. When they ran out of money, parts of the old stadium were still standing. As an example of colossal mis-management, the FA spent between 4 and 5 million pounds getting the architectural plans altered so that the stadium would include shops and restaurants, even though the original government contract forbade the inclusion of such facilities, to protect the shops and restaurants that already existed in Wembley.

2) The government then gave them about another £625 million (I think the total spend was about £757 million) to finish the demolition and build the new no-expense-spared stadium.

3) The Australian construction company had a fixed-price contract and were losing money every week the project was late. They had no incentive to over-run the deadline. However, they couldn't do much about many of the important trades people going on strike in the final stages of the build.

Just as a reference point, Southampton F.C. built their 30,000 seat football stadium for £30 million.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by radiohead

Whast about Wemberly? Didn't Australians build it? (no offence but don't they specialaize in prisons/) and it was that 2 years late and 3 times over budget?

Yes, but these days the prisons are full of Poms who overstay their visas.

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DirectoryKing

16 years ago

Well it is all about abusing the system. The taxpayers end up grumbling at the end of the day, I think issues like this are inevitable,someone always has to be at the back end of things. It is just the way things are. I am sounding too much like a realist, I might have to get back on the green tea.

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John Henderson

16 years ago

If I may add my own opinion into the mix....

We have had 11 years of a left-wing government which sees successful or enterprising people as "fortunate" or "lucky" and unemployed people as "unlucky victims". This means that over time, the notion of "personal responsibility" has gone very much out of the window.

The prevalence of this idea is disastrous, because it ignores an uncomfortable, but basic truth: the only person who can change somebody's life is themselves.

As an example, I'm a bit overweight. Not a huge amount, but I could do with losing about 20 pounds (10 kilos). But I know that no-one else can make my decision to commit to regular exercise on my behalf. The only person who can make the decisions that alter the course of my life, is ME.

But that's not how the UK government sees it. At the moment, they are looking at ways to PAY people to lose weight. Once again, they've classified overweight people as "unlucky victims" and they're trying to live the "unlucky" person's life for them. And so they want to throw taxpayer's money at a problem that only the overweight person can decide to solve.

This lucky/unlucky view has also justified never-ending tax increases which have allowed the government to rake in more and more money and shovel it at truanting schoolkids, poor immigrants, idiots who run up colossal credit card debts and even heroin-addicted prisoners who argued that making them go "cold turkey" in jail was an infringement of their human rights (In that last case, the UK government said 'sorry' and gave each one of the smackhead convicts £4000 compensation).

So there's my take on this. Until we get a government that has the balls to tell people to get off their ar*e and take responsibility for their own situation, the country's destined to go down the tubes.

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Mike Wright

16 years ago

Originally Posted by John Henderson

If I may add my own opinion into the mix....

We have had 11 years of a left-wing government which sees successful or enterprising people as "fortunate" or "lucky" and unemployed people as "unlucky victims". This means that over time, the notion of "personal responsibility" has gone very much out of the window.

The prevalence of this idea is disastrous, because it ignores an uncomfortable, but basic truth: the only person who can change somebody's life is themselves.

As an example, I'm a bit overweight. Not a huge amount, but I could do with losing about 20 pounds (10 kilos). But I know that no-one else can make my decision to commit to regular exercise on my behalf. The only person who can make the decisions that alter the course of my life, is ME.

But that's not how the UK government sees it. At the moment, they are looking at ways to PAY people to lose weight. Once again, they've classified overweight people as "unlucky victims" and they're trying to live the "unlucky" person's life for them. And so they want to throw taxpayer's money at a problem that only the overweight person can decide to solve.

This lucky/unlucky view has also justified never-ending tax increases which have allowed the government to rake in more and more money and shovel it at truanting schoolkids, poor immigrants, idiots who run up colossal credit card debts and even heroin-addicted prisoners who argued that making them go "cold turkey" in jail was an infringement of their human rights (In that last case, the UK government said 'sorry' and gave each one of the smackhead convicts £4000 compensation).

So there's my take on this. Until we get a government that has the balls to tell people to get off their ar*e and take responsibility for their own situation, the country's destined to go down the tubes.

Thats a somewhat brave viewpoint from someone "oop North".

I daresay loads of folks in former mining, manufacturing, shipbuilding,
engineering towns and areas having struggled through very hard times,
apres Maggie Thatcher, and having started to successfully regenerate
and prosper through morphing into Hi-Tech industry and other things,
will be exactly best pleased to see all their struggles made pointless
by a second wave of extreme greed and the current major downturn.

BTW, my late father-in-law was a Nottinghamshire miner in the 1930's
who literally got on his bike and pedalled about 100 miles south to
get a safer job and a better life for his new wife. After quite a few
return bicyle trips, he succeeded. My mother's family moved down from the Midlands in the 1930's also. My Father died in WW11 like many others.
Yes times were hard then!

While I do agree with many of your points to varying degrees, I would
suggest that you might try expressing your more extreme advice, as
previously expounded by Maggie's Poster Children ad nauseum, in one
of the few remaining working mens clubs and pubs around your part
of the UK. Hopefully you might escape alive and wiser for the experience.

You should really target those who foster the culture of rewarding themselves and avoiding personal responsibility by consensus management and political correctness in the top and middle levels of local government,
the NHS, the DWP, bureacracy and companies etc., etc.

But there again, I am old and cynical, having seen and heard much of
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Wright

Thats a somewhat brave viewpoint from someone "oop North".

I daresay loads of folks in former mining, manufacturing, shipbuilding,
engineering towns and areas having struggled through very hard times,
apres Maggie Thatcher, and having started to successfully regenerate
and prosper through morphing into Hi-Tech industry and other things,
will be exactly best pleased to see all their struggles made pointless
by a second wave of extreme greed and the current major downturn.

BTW, my late father-in-law was a Nottinghamshire miner in the 1930's
who literally got on his bike and pedalled about 100 miles south to
get a safer job and a better life for his new wife. After quite a few
return bicyle trips, he succeeded. My mother's family moved down from the Midlands in the 1930's also. My Father died in WW11 like many others.
Yes times were hard then!

While I do agree with many of your points to varying degrees, I would
suggest that you might try expressing your more extreme advice, as
previously expounded by Maggie's Poster Children ad nauseum, in one
of the few remaining working mens clubs and pubs around your part
of the UK. Hopefully you might escape alive and wiser for the experience.

You should really target those who foster the culture of rewarding themselves and avoiding personal responsibility by consensus management and political correctness in the top and middle levels of local government,
the NHS, the DWP, bureacracy and companies etc., etc.

But there again, I am old and cynical, having seen and heard much of
this stuff before.

Crumbs, Mike. I thoroughly agreed with your "The UK is awash with lunatic bureaucrats..." paragraph -- so the 'robustness' of your reply to my long post caught me off-guard.

Yes, it's an unusual viewpoint for a Northerner; even more so for a Teessider. You seem to think that my views are the product of some Thatcherite brain-washing. Not so. I don't want to give too much geographical information away, so I'll just tell you that I live on a particularly rough council estate.

Before I moved here, I would have happily described my politics as "centrist", maybe even "centre-left". But after 4 years of watching many of my neighbours behave little better than retarded delinquents, I can say with some authority that there are very, very destructive consequences that come from the UK's freely distributed welfare state handouts.

Your post confused me somewhat. You told a great story about your late father-in-law; how he was in search of a better life and how he found it using his own initiative and industry. In other words, he took control and personal responsibility for his own life and changed his circumstances. But in the very next paragraph, you described my own wishes that more people would take personal responsibility as an expression of "extreme advice". I found that puzzling.

And the working mens' clubs? Oh Mike, I can tell you're a southerner, going all misty eyed over those...

The club is where the locals disappear to and moan about how bad the health service is, while simultaneously smoking cigarettes and binge drinking alcohol. As a bonus, they can escape from their feral children, who at about the same time will be pelting my house with stones or setting fire to wheely bins.

As for leaving such an establishment wiser, I finally took and passed the ultimate test that an ale house could offer in May 2001 when I stubbed out my cigarette, put down my pint glass and never picked them up again. It took a long time for the penny to drop, but I finally realised that when you sober up, the problems you tried to escape from with booze are still there.

And yes, I do believe that the bureaucrats and bankers are a law unto themselves and of course I prescribe more personal responsibility

but the original post was about abuses of the welfare state, so that's what I talked about.

Like I say though, it's just my own personal theory on how we've got to the situation highlighted by the OP. I might be wrong!

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Indiana

Mike he sounds like an American -O)

Wow! Thanks for the compliment!

Originally Posted by Indiana

...Now Permit to say a few words...Never mind the knee jerk...Understand with clarity...What follows.

I shall certainly try, Indy....

Originally Posted by Indiana

The system..Owes you...Has to pay for you...Born into nature...You must feed, cloth, and survive...We are not however born into nature...You are born into a system created by men...STOP using nature rules to defend a system created by men...I need food ..Hunt it then says nature...Men have blocked that freedom, liberty that nature bestowed upon all men..."We hold this truth to be self evident all men are born equal"...Who has divided nature into owership...Men...I cannot hunt or forage to live because of this...Therefore you owe me a life...STOP Using natures rules were they have been perverted to the advantage of a few...They owe us/You a living...Simply

Uhhhhh......well I tried......:confused:

Originally Posted by Indiana

Knee jerk..No real thought..No real understanding..No humanity...Indy

Oh, that was harsh....

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ecoverartist

16 years ago

What I want to know is...where was the husband's angina and irritable bowel syndrome when he was busy making 10 babies???

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Originally Posted by espacecadet

Ha ha, cute, Sharice, you're assuming they are all his...

*chuckles*

Well a few of them do look suspiciously like the mailman...
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  Plus, why are the 19 and 20 year olds still living at home? Or are they in school?:confused:
  
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Frank Ayres

16 years ago

UK is getting worse with all the foreigners scrounging from us.
I work with someone from Poland and she says since she has been here all she hears from friends in Poland is "How much money can we get from the government if we come to UK".
I have never claimed unemployment benefit in my life yet there are scroungers that wont work.

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Thomas

16 years ago

Originally Posted by SpudDS

UK is getting worse with all the foreigners scrounging from us.

If AnnoyedGirl really did move over, I'd love to see the Daily Mail headline:

"Welfare Shocker! Now Even The Bloody Yanks
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valerieSONORA

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas

If AnnoyedGirl really did move over, I'd love to see the Daily Mail headline:

"Welfare Shocker! Now Even The Bloody Yanks
Are Scrounging Off Us!"

Don't forget the rest of it...And I'm STILL not satisfied, I demand MORE benefits

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bryce

16 years ago

Well from the land of the "Prison Designers" it is no different down under! In fact although it is going to change under the new government, the previous government introduced our "Baby Bonus" which entitles any child bearing women (girl) to a bonus of origially $3,000 and then I think raised to $5,000, just for having a baby! What do you think happened immediately after this 'ingenious' offering?!

So now a 14yr old girl is able to leave home with the blessings of the autorities, get pregnant and recieve $5,000 lump sum for each child, and around $250 a week in benefits for each child on top of this. Then there is free Healthcare, community housing, and other benefits/perks like cheap public transport, etc.

I actually know a 19 yr old (girl) with 4 children to 3 fathers, receiving benefits, child support and almost free housing, to the tune of more than $1200 a week!

Sux!

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valerieSONORA

16 years ago

Originally Posted by bryce

Well from the land of the "Prison Designers" it is no different down under! In fact although it is going to change under the new government, the previous government introduced our "Baby Bonus" which entitles any child bearing women (girl) to a bonus of origially $3,000 and then I think raised to $5,000, just for having a baby! What do you think happened immediately after this 'ingenious' offering?!

So now a 14yr old girl is able to leave home with the blessings of the autorities, get pregnant and recieve $5,000 lump sum for each child, and around $250 a week in benefits for each child on top of this. Then there is free Healthcare, community housing, and other benefits/perks like cheap public transport, etc.

I actually know a 19 yr old (girl) with 4 children to 3 fathers, receiving benefits, child support and almost free housing, to the tune of more than $1200 a week!

Sux!

Holy guacamole I'm in the wrong country!! I'm packing my bags for Australia and gonna have 10 kids. $5,000 for each kid and then benefits weeeeeeeee. Yeah I can see every teenager who wants to get away from her parents getting pregnant just so she can get a big check and free housing. I bet there's a lot of immigrants in poor countries where women typically have huge families who'd love to get to Australia.

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logocheckout

16 years ago

I am happy for the woman that has 10 children. I am happy for her that her children are still living at home. I wish I had more money to give her. I am not envious of what people have. I do not care if the rich has what they have and I do not care if the poor are living off the system. If you want to be rich, you can work hard to make yourself rich. If you want to be living off the system, it is your prerogative. I think all the whinners should get a doll made for them with John McCain on diapers and let them whine as much as they want in a deserted forest.

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pimpinkid

16 years ago

I am actually moving to england at the end of this year too.

Time to get rich.

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Mike Wright 16 years ago

Originally Posted by pimpinkid

I am actually moving to england at the end of this year too.

Time to get rich.

LOL, I salute your optimism ..... bring loads of actual cash with you
because we all need it here .... even all our (former?) billionaires.

Also bring loads of hugely discounted consumer goods, clothes
and food because thats pretty much all that is selling here.

Might be good to bring a job as well because they are increasingly
in short supply also.

Even large numbers of recent immigrants are either returning home
or emigrating elsewhere for more remunerative opportunities.

And NO, I am not joking or exaggerating .... honestly
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Nicola Lane

16 years ago

And the biggest irony is that if you are unable to work due to disability or illness then it is hard to actually get the benefits you are entitled to!

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logocheckout 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Nicola Lane

And the biggest irony is that if you are unable to work due to disability or illness then it is hard to actually get the benefits you are entitled to!

I would recommend universal healthcare in this very trying economic times in the USA.

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I'm moving to England and getting on benefits

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