2012 Fact or Fiction?

by TJComer02 70 replies
Hey guys. Of course you've heard of 2012. I think it will be bigger than Y2K, (remember that? the world was supposed to end too). While our world is in a mess, I can't imagine what the citizens of our country and the world thought about the civil war, or world war one and two. To them it must have seemed like the end was near. Anyway, as i've gotten older and wiser (mainly by making mistakes and learning from them) I've realized that the media really is all about fear. Do you ever wonder why the news covers 90% bad stuff (yes bad stuff is happening but you can find good stuff as well). The world isn't a nice place, but they know that the news being scary gruesome, and bad is more appealing. This is one of the main reasons behind 2012. To be honest, there wasn't much said about it until it started creeping up on us. I've done alot of research , by that I mean researching stuff that isn't from wikipedia or right or left wing websites. I mean doing unbiased, fair research with the best material I can find. Basically, people are making alot of money off of this. Second of all, alot of the real "experts" (experts are not crazy people who write books and claim to be a genius) believe that the mayan calendar doesn't even actually come out to be 2012, actually the 2012 on the Mayan Calendar is really 1999. You may call me a liar, because you can't find this online. I've done alot of research and found this to be a very good possibility. Anyway, even if 2012 was their date, they still never said anything about it being bad. Now, the 2012'ers are claiming that a polar shift will destroy life on earth. Polar shifts take thousands of years to complete. They also talk about sunspot activity being at a peak, which is true, but we've had that many times before. Another flaw is that they say the earth cleanses itself and wipes out the population every few thousand years (opinions differ on this, most say 3600 years), if that is so why are there still humans on the earth? IF someone presented credible evidence to me that 2012 was real, i would believe it, but all the stuff I mentioned plus a ton of other stuff have led me to believe that this is all lies and propaganda, people using our fears to get our attention and make a name for themselves. In a way, i guess if you're cautious and prepared for the world to end, you're probably smarter than the guy who says "the world will never end" and doesn't prepare for it. Anyway, i've just found ALOT of evidence that suggests the 2012'ers are all off by a good bit. This is NOT to make fun of the 2012'ers, because maybe we need people like them to open our eyes to things that will happen or are imminent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    If you broke your post up into smaller paragraphs, I might read it.

    Fact or fiction? I guess we'll wait for the end of 2012 and we'll find out.

    The beauty of that approach is that, if the world does end, we presumably won't have to listen to anyone say "I told you so."
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      Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

      If you broke your post up into smaller paragraphs, I might read it.

      Fact or fiction? I guess we'll wait for the end of 2012 and we'll find out.

      The beauty of that approach is that, if the world does end, we presumably won't have to listen to anyone say "I told you so."
      Thanks Ken, you saved me a lot of typing
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      • Profile picture of the author Rick B
        Originally Posted by prettyimpress View Post

        That is also what I want to say.

        If we won't protect the environment, it will turn out to be fact I think.
        Well that's an entirely different subject. There is good reason to believe that mankind might eventually destroy the ecology of the Earth if we keep creating garbage, other toxic waste materials, and carbon dioxide emissions.

        But the lining up of a black hole with the Sun and the moon creating earthquakes that rip the Earth to shreads ... well, that's just nonsense believed by people that have just enough understanding of physics to cause themselves unnecessary concern.

        Another point that I didn't make earlier is that if the Mayans were so good at predicting the end of our world, why didn't they predict the destruction of their own civilization?
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          Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

          Well that's an entirely different subject. There is good reason to believe that mankind might eventually destroy the ecology of the Earth if we keep creating garbage, other toxic waste materials, and carbon dioxide emissions.

          But the lining up of a black hole with the Sun and the moon creating earthquakes that rip the Earth to shreads ... well, that's just nonsense believed by people that have just enough understanding of physics to cause themselves unnecessary concern.

          Another point that I didn't make earlier is that if the Mayans were so good at predicting the end of our world, why didn't they predict the destruction of their own civilization?
          That's hilarious, considering Einstein said it.

          And it's funny how I mention Einstein said it was a possibility and then some people think this means others believe it will happen.

          The fact is, Einstein said it was possible, although unlikely it is an interesting conversation piece. I just wouldn't question Einstein's knowledge of physics...
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    Originally Posted by TJComer02 View Post

    Hey guys. Of course you've heard of 2012. I think it will be bigger than Y2K, (remember that? the world was supposed to end too).
    BULL! THAT was a MYTH started by a buinch of idiots, talking about things falling from the sky, GPS failing, etc.... That was a *****MYTH*****! NO real programmer claimed that!

    What they DID talk about DID happen! It actually started EARLY! In 1997, THERE YEARS EARLY, DEC VAXes had a problem that required an immediate patch. Don't ask me why, but it WAS a problem with the clock.

    In 2000, there was ANOTHER failure. Softwware that wasn't patched failed and people got HUGE overdue messages, etc... One place I worked at, but NOT on that project, had their accounting system crash, and they couldn't send checks out for DAYS!

    It was REAL, but some people wanted to make people think that somehow EVERYTHING would fail, etc... The FACT is that maybe as much as 20% of what they said was BUNK, and most of the rest was patched BEFORE the problem hit. STILL, some problems DID occur. BTW M/S ADMITTED that they have the POSIX binary "Y2K" bug! THAT one won't hit for about another 28 years. WHY? Well, A day has 86400 seconds, or approx 31557600 per year. POSIX used a 32 bit field, which is 4294967296, or about 2147483648 unsigned, so approx 68 years + the base of 1970(REMEMBER when some email showed 1969? THIS is WHY! 1970-1(carry bit)) =2038! Understand? and YEAH, I took shortcuts to figure the years, but it is accurate to the year, which is what I wanted. SO, in 2038, if it doesn't get fixed, will havve MORE problems!

    Originally Posted by TJComer02 View Post

    While our world is in a mess, I can't imagine what the citizens of our country and the world thought about the civil war, or world war one and two. To them it must have seemed like the end was near. Anyway, as i've gotten older and wiser (mainly by making mistakes and learning from them) I've realized that the media really is all about fear. Do you ever wonder why the news covers 90% bad stuff (yes bad stuff is happening but you can find good stuff as well). The world isn't a nice place, but they know that the news being scary gruesome, and bad is more appealing. This is one of the main reasons behind 2012. To be honest, there wasn't much said about it until it started creeping up on us. I've done alot of research , by that I mean researching stuff that isn't from wikipedia or right or left wing websites. I mean doing unbiased, fair research with the best material I can find. Basically, people are making alot of money off of this. Second of all, alot of the real "experts" (experts are not crazy people who write books and claim to be a genius) believe that the mayan calendar doesn't even actually come out to be 2012, actually the 2012 on the Mayan Calendar is really 1999. You may call me a liar, because you can't find this online. I've done alot of research and found this to be a very good possibility. Anyway, even if 2012 was their date, they still never said anything about it being bad. Now, the 2012'ers are claiming that a polar shift will destroy life on earth. Polar shifts take thousands of years to complete. They also talk about sunspot activity being at a peak, which is true, but we've had that many times before. Another flaw is that they say the earth cleanses itself and wipes out the population every few thousand years (opinions differ on this, most say 3600 years), if that is so why are there still humans on the earth? IF someone presented credible evidence to me that 2012 was real, i would believe it, but all the stuff I mentioned plus a ton of other stuff have led me to believe that this is all lies and propaganda, people using our fears to get our attention and make a name for themselves. In a way, i guess if you're cautious and prepared for the world to end, you're probably smarter than the guy who says "the world will never end" and doesn't prepare for it. Anyway, i've just found ALOT of evidence that suggests the 2012'ers are all off by a good bit. This is NOT to make fun of the 2012'ers, because maybe we need people like them to open our eyes to things that will happen or are imminent.
    AGAIN, you are just WRONG! The 2012 is 12/21/2012. The FACTS, from what scientists and those that should know are saying, are:

    1. Their calendar resets then, so there was little point in continuing. They simply made it to the end of the alignment.
    2. There WILL be an alignment that hasn't happened before, in our history.
    3. It MIGHT create extra radiation and gravitational fields which can create waves, volcanic activity, eartquakes, etc... You may disagree, but the moon DOES do some of that and the sun does some also. so there IS precedent. This alignment coulld EASILY make it like 3 times as bad, which would be a large NUISANCE! If it were much more than that, WHO KNOWS? Maybe the US would move people more inland, and evacuate hawaii. Maybe those in iceland would try to move to europe, etc... BAD, but STILL not the end of the world. BTW problems like that used to happen in hawaii a LOT. and we just got a taste how iceland can be. A couple decades ago, we had mt saint helens. Mount St. Helens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Unfortunately, some go overboard. They claim the mayans indicate an end by having "an end to their calendar". The fact is that almost every society here in several ways has done the SAME thing every year. Of course, you MIGHT consider a cycle the regular rule #1 leapyear, or FOUR YEARS! MAYBE it is rule #2 leapyear, which is every 100 years. MAYBE it is rule #3 leapyear, which is every 400 years!!!!!!!

    And did YOU know there were THREE rules? I didn't! SOMEONE figured out there were TWO rules, and figured that 2000 was NOT a leap year. After all, rule #2 says it isn't, RIGHT!?!?!? WRONG, there is that pesky rule #3! So there WAS a Y2K problem even AFTER the "fix" in some areas! It turns out that rule #2 won't go into effect in the lifetime of perhaps ANYONE on this board. The first occurance after my birth will be 2100. There is ANOTHER potential problem! People that didn't cover rule #2 may have created a problem that won't happen until 2100! 2100 is NOT a leapyear because, though it IS divisible by 4(leapyear, UNLESS...), it is ALSO divisible by 100(NOT a LEAPYEAR, UNLESS....), but NOT by 400(a LEAPYEAR).

    They ALSO claim that the stresses on the planet can make parts less hospitable, and/or destroy property. Are they right? MAYBE! It very well may not be NEARLY as bad as they claim though.

    BTW DON'T go throwing politics into this. Until we have some party that is trying to get NASA to do stuff like in the movie 2012, there is NO politics here. If that were to happen, it would probably atke over 30 years, and we only have 2. I doubt ANYONE will do it. There just isn't the time, resources, or money.

    And making money off something does NOT invalidate it. Look around you. EVEN the device you read this message on was PAID FOR!

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    • Profile picture of the author JRCarson
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BULL! THAT was a MYTH started by a buinch of idiots, talking about things falling from the sky, GPS failing, etc.... That was a *****MYTH*****! NO real programmer claimed that!

      What they DID talk about DID happen! It actually started EARLY! In 1997, THERE YEARS EARLY, DEC VAXes had a problem that required an immediate patch. Don't ask me why, but it WAS a problem with the clock.

      In 2000, there was ANOTHER failure. Softwware that wasn't patched failed and people got HUGE overdue messages, etc... One place I worked at, but NOT on that project, had their accounting system crash, and they couldn't send checks out for DAYS!

      It was REAL, but some people wanted to make people think that somehow EVERYTHING would fail, etc... The FACT is that maybe as much as 20% of what they said was BUNK, and most of the rest was patched BEFORE the problem hit. STILL, some problems DID occur. BTW M/S ADMITTED that they have the POSIX binary "Y2K" bug! THAT one won't hit for about another 28 years. WHY? Well, A day has 86400 seconds, or approx 31557600 per year. POSIX used a 32 bit field, which is 4294967296, or about 2147483648 unsigned, so approx 68 years + the base of 1970(REMEMBER when some email showed 1969? THIS is WHY! 1970-1(carry bit)) =2038! Understand? and YEAH, I took shortcuts to figure the years, but it is accurate to the year, which is what I wanted. SO, in 2038, if it doesn't get fixed, will havve MORE problems!



      AGAIN, you are just WRONG! The 2012 is 12/21/2012. The FACTS, from what scientists and those that should know are saying, are:

      1. Their calendar resets then, so there was little point in continuing. They simply made it to the end of the alignment.
      2. There WILL be an alignment that hasn't happened before, in our history.
      3. It MIGHT create extra radiation and gravitational fields which can create waves, volcanic activity, eartquakes, etc... You may disagree, but the moon DOES do some of that and the sun does some also. so there IS precedent. This alignment coulld EASILY make it like 3 times as bad, which would be a large NUISANCE! If it were much more than that, WHO KNOWS? Maybe the US would move people more inland, and evacuate hawaii. Maybe those in iceland would try to move to europe, etc... BAD, but STILL not the end of the world. BTW problems like that used to happen in hawaii a LOT. and we just got a taste how iceland can be. A couple decades ago, we had mt saint helens. Mount St. Helens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Unfortunately, some go overboard. They claim the mayans indicate an end by having "an end to their calendar". The fact is that almost every society here in several ways has done the SAME thing every year. Of course, you MIGHT consider a cycle the regular rule #1 leapyear, or FOUR YEARS! MAYBE it is rule #2 leapyear, which is every 100 years. MAYBE it is rule #3 leapyear, which is every 400 years!!!!!!!

      And did YOU know there were THREE rules? I didn't! SOMEONE figured out there were TWO rules, and figured that 2000 was NOT a leap year. After all, rule #2 says it isn't, RIGHT!?!?!? WRONG, there is that pesky rule #3! So there WAS a Y2K problem even AFTER the "fix" in some areas! It turns out that rule #2 won't go into effect in the lifetime of perhaps ANYONE on this board. The first occurance after my birth will be 2100. There is ANOTHER potential problem! People that didn't cover rule #2 may have created a problem that won't happen until 2100! 2100 is NOT a leapyear because, though it IS divisible by 4(leapyear, UNLESS...), it is ALSO divisible by 100(NOT a LEAPYEAR, UNLESS....), but NOT by 400(a LEAPYEAR).

      They ALSO claim that the stresses on the planet can make parts less hospitable, and/or destroy property. Are they right? MAYBE! It very well may not be NEARLY as bad as they claim though.

      BTW DON'T go throwing politics into this. Until we have some party that is trying to get NASA to do stuff like in the movie 2012, there is NO politics here. If that were to happen, it would probably atke over 30 years, and we only have 2. I doubt ANYONE will do it. There just isn't the time, resources, or money.

      And making money off something does NOT invalidate it. Look around you. EVEN the device you read this writing on was PAID FOR!

      steve
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by JRCarson View Post

        I am dumber now. Thanks.
        You're welcome. 8-)
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      • Profile picture of the author PPV Guru
        Originally Posted by JRCarson View Post

        I am dumber now. Thanks.
        I thought I was the only one scratching my head about that one.
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        • Profile picture of the author highhopes
          If you look at it on religious grounds???
          luke 21:25 sign in the sun moon and the stars
          Jesus second coming and destruction for the earth

          Could 2012 start the ball rolling?
          Not the end of the world but maybe one of the signs to look for biblically?

          Graham Hancock in his books has researched these cultures and states they all seem to indicate the end of the world, with something strange happening in the stars and universe.

          Maybe the increased gravity due to the planets and our sun as we enter the galactical centre on 2012 will create huge pressure on our earth`s crust ( lithosphere) to slip and reverse the magnetic poles.
          this may have happened quickly in the past and deystroyed most animal life on earth very quickly, as indicated by the Mammoths in Siberia frozen solid with food in their mouths.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dalun
    watch the film called "Zeitgeist" and all your questions will be answered.

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    all you need to have is an open mind. 2012 is nothing more than the end of the current age we are in. it is all based on the stars and space. nothing about world ending or such.
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    • Profile picture of the author jlxsolutions
      Originally Posted by Dalun View Post

      watch the film called "Zeitgeist" and all your questions will be answered.

      Must Watch - All Documentaries - Sprword.com - Spread the Word

      all you need to have is an open mind. 2012 is nothing more than the end of the current age we are in. it is all based on the stars and space. nothing about world ending or such.
      and the secind part definetly addenum or what not its called....(runs to the mighty oracle google)....Zeitgeist: Addendum
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I find it interesting that so much of the "future prophesies" are based on Mayan culture.

        The Mayan culture decline rapidly and to date no one knows exactly what the sequence was. Most experts point to:

        overfarming and overclearing of land

        rapidly increasing population demanding more resources

        growing disparity between the ruling class (rich) and the masses (poor) whih is judged by the nutritional differences found in the skeletons

        overuse and abuse of natural resources that led to a diminished supply of food

        ....maybe history does repeat itself after all
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        • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I find it interesting that so much of the "future prophesies" are based on Mayan culture.

          The Mayan culture decline rapidly and to date no one knows exactly what the sequence was. Most experts point to:

          overfarming and overclearing of land

          rapidly increasing population demanding more resources

          growing disparity between the ruling class (rich) and the masses (poor) whih is judged by the nutritional differences found in the skeletons

          overuse and abuse of natural resources that led to a diminished supply of food

          ....maybe history does repeat itself after all
          eh!!

          For a moment it seemed to me you described our world, today.

          2012 Doom real? Fiction? Don't know. What I do know is this:

          Our planet is acting all weird last months.

          :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Well, I couldn't read the post either (don't people know what paragraphs
            are?) but in answer to your question...neither.

            It is simply unknown.

            But hang in there for 2 more years and we'll all find out together.
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            • Profile picture of the author Vogin
              2012 = the end of the world? Not really, just a myth for sad people who are uncomfortable with their lives.
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            • Profile picture of the author veotis
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Well, I couldn't read the post either (don't people know what paragraphs
              are?) but in answer to your question...neither.

              It is simply unknown.

              But hang in there for 2 more years and we'll all find out together.
              Strangely, I liked the way he wrote it. He got it all out without me having to scroll once. It was short and to the point. I guess it was a change from 20 paragraph posts, with each paragraph consisting of no more than two sentences.

              I've purchased some of your material before Steven, and I like the way you write. To many folks try it the Kern way and just don't put enough meat in the paragraph. The way TJ (if that's his/her name) wrote it and the fact that all of the content was right there in front of me, I didn't have a problem reading the whole thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I find it interesting that so much of the "future prophesies" are based on Mayan culture.

          The Mayan culture decline rapidly and to date no one knows exactly what the sequence was. Most experts point to:

          overfarming and overclearing of land

          rapidly increasing population demanding more resources

          growing disparity between the ruling class (rich) and the masses (poor) whih is judged by the nutritional differences found in the skeletons

          overuse and abuse of natural resources that led to a diminished supply of food

          ....maybe history does repeat itself after all
          Substantial evidence shows the Mayan culture fell to an extreme, prolonged drought. As much rain as they get in Mesoamerica area, they don't have lakes...So if a drought ever hits, they don't/didn't have any major water storage capacity...Added to all the stuff in Kay's post.

          And the Mayans didn't just pick this date at random. On 12/12/2012 (Winter Solstice) the Earth, Sun and a black hole that is the center of the Milky Way (Great Rift) will all be in perfect alignment. This is a very unique event and it's unlikely the Mayans decided to have an end of time/age at random.

          Einstein said there was a (slight) possibility for a catastrophic shifting of our magnetic fields on that day, due to gravitational forces from our Sun and the black hole combined.

          Another scientist claims that the last time we were in this alignment was some 13,000 years ago and was the reason for the major extinction of animals at that time. It's possible that on/around 12/12/2012 we will be in a position to get a major dose of gamma rays from the center of the Great Rift. The event 13,000 years ago was the summer solstice. This is a winter solstice, but we're in the same alignment. We'll see if that matters.

          We also have an ancient Chinese quatrain written about the time of the pyramids that predicted the same doomsday. This quatrain didn't give a day/date, but a mathematician recently calculated the quatrain. When he discovered the date of 12/12/2012 he wasn't aware it was the same date as the Mayan's until later.

          I don't believe in doomsday predictions, but admit I'll still probably cross my fingers on 12/12/2012. It can't hurt.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Substantial evidence shows the Mayan culture fell to an extreme, prolonged drought. As much rain as they get in Mesoamerica area, they don't have lakes...So if a drought ever hits, they don't/didn't have any major water storage capacity...Added to all the stuff in Kay's post.

            And the Mayans didn't just pick this date at random. On 12/12/2012 (Winter Solstice) the Earth, Sun and a black hole that is the center of the Milky Way (Great Rift) will all be in perfect alignment. This is a very unique event and it's unlikely the Mayans decided to have an end of time/age at random.

            Einstein said there was a (slight) possibility for a catastrophic shifting of our magnetic fields on that day, due to gravitational forces from our Sun and the black hole combined.

            Another scientist claims that the last time we were in this alignment was some 13,000 years ago and was the reason for the major extinction of animals at that time. It's possible that on/around 12/12/2012 we will be in a position to get a major dose of gamma rays from the center of the Great Rift. The event 13,000 years ago was the summer solstice. This is a winter solstice, but we're in the same alignment. We'll see if that matters.

            We also have an ancient Chinese quatrain written about the time of the pyramids that predicted the same doomsday. This quatrain didn't give a day/date, but a mathematician recently calculated the quatrain. When he discovered the date of 12/12/2012 he wasn't aware it was the same date as the Mayan's until later.

            I don't believe in doomsday predictions, but admit I'll still probably cross my fingers on 12/12/2012. It can't hurt.
            I guess, SURPRISINGLY, you and I feel alike about this here.

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          • Profile picture of the author Rick B
            Let's get real folks!

            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            And the Mayans didn't just pick this date at random. On 12/12/2012 (Winter Solstice) the Earth, Sun and a black hole that is the center of the Milky Way (Great Rift) will all be in perfect alignment. This is a very unique event and it's unlikely the Mayans decided to have an end of time/age at random.
            The Earth, Sun, and the black hole at the center of our Milky Way galaxy are all in the form of a disk on the same plane. Therefore, once EVERY year when the Earth is exactly between the Sun and the center of the galaxy they all line up.

            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Einstein said there was a (slight) possibility for a catastrophic shifting of our magnetic fields on that day, due to gravitational forces from our Sun and the black hole combined.
            I can guarantee you that Einstein didn't say that because it's bull! We know that the Earth's magnetic fields have flipped 180 degrees many time in the past. The north magnetic pole and the south magnetic pole flipped and there's no evidence that caused any major disasters. The magnetics fields are constantly shifting. The North magnetic pole has been shifting 40 miles per year towards Siberia for many years now and we're still here.

            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Another scientist claims that the last time we were in this alignment was some 13,000 years ago and was the reason for the major extinction of animals at that time.
            There was no major extinction event 13,000 years ago. There was a mini ice age where approximately 75% of the animal species that weighed more than 90 pounds went extinct in localized areas. For example, horses went extinct in the Americas but not in Europe. A much smaller percentage of large animals went completely extinct. Doesn't sound like an end of the Earth catastrophe to me. And who exactly is this scientist (just one?) who "claims" that the black hole, Earth, and the Sun were in alignment 13,000 years ago? And why haven't I seen all of this in Scientific American or Popular Science magazines? I guess that one scientist didn't tell the others, huh?

            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            We also have an ancient Chinese quatrain written about the time of the pyramids that predicted the same doomsday. This quatrain didn't give a day/date, but a mathematician recently calculated the quatrain. When he discovered the date of 12/12/2012 he wasn't aware it was the same date as the Mayan's until later.
            So the ancient Chinese quatrain said that it was predicting the same 2012 disaster but didn't bother to clearly name the date. Gee! I can't imagine predicting a future event without clearly stating when it would happen. It just wouldn't seem like a prediction to me without the date. But luckily some (again unnamed) mathematician (somehow) calculated that they meant to say it would happen on 12/12/2012. Okay!

            Let me tell you what's really going to happen folks. It's already happened many times in my nearly 60 years of life. I mean, predictions of the end of the world with nonsensical science to back it up. But here's what will happen (again). December 12, 2012 will pass and nothing will happen that even approaches a worldwide catastrophe. If anything at all bad happened within a few months before that date, the believers will try to say that the Mayans were just a bit off on their prediction or that was the beginning of the catastrophe and it will continue now to get worse. Others will say that the date was wrong and they'll have new garbage science that proves it's going to happen soon.

            I, for one, will go to bed early on that fateful night and feel sympathy for those who are lying awake fearing their impending doom.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

              Let's get real folks!



              The Earth, Sun, and the black hole at the center of our Milky Way galaxy are all in the form of a disk on the same plane. Therefore, once EVERY year when the Earth is exactly between the Sun and the center of the galaxy they all line up.
              They gave up the idea of the earth being the center of the universe LONG ago. It does NOT happen every year! It is a VERY rare event! It has NOT happened within our families histories, as far as anyone can ever track. HECK, it hasn't happened within what is generally considered recorded history.


              I can guarantee you that Einstein didn't say that because it's bull! We know that the Earth's magnetic fields have flipped 180 degrees many time in the past. The north magnetic pole and the south magnetic pole flipped and there's no evidence that caused any major disasters. The magnetics fields are constantly shifting. The North magnetic pole has been shifting 40 miles per year towards Siberia for many years now and we're still here.
              We ALSO know there are lunar ties and even earthquakes can increase.

              There was no major extinction event 13,000 years ago. There was a mini ice age where approximately 75% of the animal species that weighed more than 90 pounds went extinct in localized areas. For example, horses went extinct in the Americas but not in Europe. A much smaller percentage of large animals went completely extinct. Doesn't sound like an end of the Earth catastrophe to me. And who exactly is this scientist (just one?) who "claims" that the black hole, Earth, and the Sun were in alignment 13,000 years ago? And why haven't I seen all of this in Scientific American or Popular Science magazines? I guess that one scientist didn't tell the others, huh?
              WOW, I guess not much science happens if it is all recorded every year in scientific american. Did they record newtons discoveries when they happened, or even the IC? And hey, how old are YOU, to speak of such earlier events. And WHY speak of 13000 years? Didn't you just say it happens every year?

              ancient Chinese quatrain said that it was predicting the same 2012 disaster but didn't bother to clearly name the date. Gee! I can't imagine predicting a future event without clearly stating when it would happen. It just wouldn't seem like a prediction to me without the date. But luckily some (again unnamed) mathematician (somehow) calculated that they meant to say it would happen on 12/12/2012. Okay!
              Yeah, I find that odd also, but if it said the event would happen on 12/12/2012 in that manner, we would KNOW it was FAKE! Even the idea of a chinese quatrain is odd.

              Let me tell you what's really going to happen folks. It's already happened many times in my nearly 60 years of life. I mean, predictions of the end of the world with nonsensical science to back it up. But here's what will happen (again). December 12, 2012 will pass and nothing will happen that even approaches a worldwide catastrophe. If anything at all bad happened within a few months before that date, the believers will try to say that the Mayans were just a bit off on their prediction or that was the beginning of the catastrophe and it will continue now to get worse. Others will say that the date was wrong and they'll have new garbage science that proves it's going to happen soon.

              I, for one, will go to bed early on that fateful night and feel sympathy for those who are lying awake fearing their impending doom.
              Nice safe prediction! If they are right, EVERYONE DIES, or they will suffer enough to forget your prediction! If they survive you will, of course, be right.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I find it interesting that so much of the "future prophesies" are based on Mayan culture.

          The Mayan culture decline rapidly and to date no one knows exactly what the sequence was. Most experts point to:

          overfarming and overclearing of land

          rapidly increasing population demanding more resources

          growing disparity between the ruling class (rich) and the masses (poor) whih is judged by the nutritional differences found in the skeletons

          overuse and abuse of natural resources that led to a diminished supply of food

          ....maybe history does repeat itself after all
          unfortunately, there will likely always be greed. Serenity is merely a scifi movie, but it has some valid lessons here. 8-( The alliance is a group of greedy power/war mongers. Mal is the head protagonist. Miranda is a secret that is secret ONLY because its knowledge reveals stuff that could hurt the alliance. River is a person that is too strong and sly for the alliance to kill, but they brainwashed her and SHE knows about miranda!

          You could probably change words and make this look like the BP disaster, or WWII!

          The Operative is at the temple — of course it was a trap — and he outlines the trouble River will bring Mal, trying to get him to hand River over. Mal shoots him, then fights him. Inara sets off a flash bomb, and they escape in the nearby shuttle while Serenity deploys decoys to throw the Operative off the trail.Jayne, after arguing with Mal about keeping River, tries to take her from the locker she’s held in. Overpowering him, she escapes. On the bridge, she shows Mal the planet Miranda. Miranda’s existence has been suppressed — all mention of it deleted from records — and it’s in the region known to be Reaver territory.The Alliance gets to Haven before the crew returns, destroying the settlement. They find Book, dying, beside the settlement’s cannon, which he used to shoot down the attacking craft. His last words tell Mal to have strength in his beliefs. They realize the Operative attacked all places Mal could have gone, cutting off escape. Mal finds another way; they disguise Serenity as a Reaver ship and make their way to Miranda, passing through a Reaver flotilla. Their disguise successful, they find a planet apparently suitable for life with breathable air, power, intact cities and infrastructure. But all the people are dead. The inhabitants appear to have simply lost the will to live and laid down to die: at work, on the road, in their houses.They find a survey ship with a holographic recording from its last surviving team member, a report never sent. The recording reveals the Alliance put chemicals into the air processors on Miranda to stabilize the population’s behavior. It worked too well. Almost everyone stopped doing anything to live and died. A fractional percentage, however, had a drastically different response to the chemical: they became insanely violent and aggressive. The crew realizes this damaged and dangerous remnant of Miranda’s inhabitants are the Reavers. The Alliance created them and tried to bury the evidence just before the War. This knowledge affected River, and the release of the tension in her makes her throw up. She says lucidly ‘I’m all right’ after this. River apparently picked up the memory from some of the Alliance chiefs who came to see her training and the memory was also triggered by the code advert. Mal decides to broadcast the hologram from the place Mr. Universe is.Mal calls Mr. Universe, who says come ahead. But he’s already held prisoner, and as soon as Mal breaks contact, he’s killed by the Operative. As they pass back through the Reaver flotilla, Mal mans the Haven cannon they took for the ship’s disguise. He blasts one of the Reaver ships and Serenity runs for it, Reavers in hot pursuit. The Operative’s fleet is concealed in the atmospheric ion cloud of Mr. Universe’s moon, and they’re surprised when Serenity comes right at the command ship. They’re even more surprised by the many Reavers on Serenity’s tail. Wash expertly slips Serenity through the ensuing battle, covered by the confusion, until they get tagged by an electronic pulse weapon that takes out Serenity’s electrical systems. Wash manages a dead stick crash landing, skidding into an open hangar bay at the end of the runway. Serenity loses one of its attitude engines, turning 180 degrees facing out of the hangar as it comes to rest, leaving them open to attack by the Reaver ship following them in. A spear weapon breaks the window, impaling Wash. He dies not long afterwards. Zoe tries to free him, but Mal sees another spear launched and gets Zoe out of range. They and everone else get inside Mr. Universe’s complex. Jayne and Zoe arrange a defensive strategy, while Mal goes to broadcast the message. He finds Mr. Universe dead, but the Lovebot activates at Mal’s approach, delivering Mr. Universe’s last message on how to find a hidden transmitter the Alliance would have missed when destroying his equipment.The Operative, having escaped his ship’s destruction in a lifepod, arrives shortly afterwards and also triggers the Lovebot message intended for Mal; he follows Mal to the transmitter. On the hangar level, Reavers attack. Zoe gets slashed in the back taking close combat revenge. Kaylee gets hit, and Simon, realizing his medical bag was left behind out where the Reavers are, stands up looking for it and also gets hit. He apologizes to River for leaving. She says ‘You always take care of me…My turn.’ She dives through a gap in the blast door they were defending; throws Simon’s bag back, grabs a fallen weapon and fights with it before closing the door’s manual override and being grabbed by Reavers.Mal gets to the transmitter, has a massive fight with the Operative and manages to beat him this time, letting him live then setting him to watch the evidence while Mal broadcasts it.River’s fight continues
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        • Profile picture of the author reapr
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I find it interesting that so much of the "future prophesies" are based on Mayan culture.

          The Mayan culture decline rapidly and to date no one knows exactly what the sequence was. Most experts point to:

          overfarming and overclearing of land

          rapidly increasing population demanding more resources

          growing disparity between the ruling class (rich) and the masses (poor) whih is judged by the nutritional differences found in the skeletons

          overuse and abuse of natural resources that led to a diminished supply of food

          ....maybe history does repeat itself after all
          Yup have to agree a lot of great societies have gone down this dead end road.

          I think 2012 will come and go like y2k and there are those that will benefit from the authors and media.

          This thread may have helped me on my next step to making a million dollars. I am off to go whip up a WSO on how to market to the 2012 crowd.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    NO it's NOT a myth. We WILL have a 2012. And afterward we will have a 2013.

    There is a lot of stuff going on right now, but it's not end of the world stuff. Unless the sun decides to nova and it's not shrinking so we're not going to see that one.

    As far as the wrong date.....our calendar is off of the originals by about two months. Your horoscope is actually off from the originals by that far, but I think they adjusted for that. Must have, there's nothing else I can pass for besides Scorpio. LOL.

    And - yep, when a calendar ends, the new issue usually comes out. The Mayans had some 56 year cycle and it didn't do what they needed so they made a mega-cycle and that's all this calendar is. As far as alignments, yeah, a lot of alignments will be going on....but that shouldn't be a death blow either.

    I have a feeling we'll be saying "I told you so" in 2013. But ....don't feel too safe because Nostradamus predicted something for 2039, and I think it was at least highly fatal if not totally so. By that time old age could be pretty dangerous for me, too, so what the hey......
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  • Profile picture of the author Laura B
    All the talk about 2012 is thought-provoking for a lot of people, but since the Bible says no one knows the day or the hour, I figure that includes the Mayans.

    How do we know that the world won't end today?
    Because it's already tomorrow in Australia.
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  • Profile picture of the author Macksheppard
    I think its fiction.

    Maybe the Mayans stopped their calender at 2012 because they got tired. It's a lot of work carving rock for that many years ahead. Maybe the rock carves got off their aching bruised knees, stretched their aching backs and said "lets go for a beer" and that was the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    I believe it will be a day just like any other day.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedLED
    2012 is real. My calendar says so.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrioor
    if it is non fiction that is unavoidable if that is fiction we already seen the movie.so I think the discussion of this fan or fiction should be stop right now
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I haven't heard ANYONE say it would be EXACTLY llike the movie! And I have NO idea what JRCARSON was talking about.

    The Y2K information was RIGHT, the mayan calendar information was right EVEN to those claiming to be descended from them and knowing what they had in mind. NOTHING said the world WOULD end, or EVEN that there would be catastrophies or EVEN death, MERELY that there COULD be. I don't think it will be a NON event. Y2K was not a NON event! Like Y2K, though, people may even a decade later say "SEE, NOTHING HAPPENED!"!

    Heck, 2 years in celestial time is like MINUTES in human time. What we have seen this year might be due to it! YET, though rare, there HAS been precedent for each disaster! SO, we will shrug it off. And volcanic activity, earthquakes, and TO A DEGREE, water disruption, is driven by pressure in the planet. In theory, the more disasters we have, like this year, the longer it will take to have a disaster of a ccertain magnitude. Wouldn't it be funny if we had a cluster of these events over the next 4 years? Even THEN, people may not attribute it to any extra terrestrial body. HECK, they may say it is global warming! And what is causing the climate changes?

    AGAIN, I am not making any claims. Just stating a few possibilities, questions, etc...

    For the record, Y2K ended up pretty much as I thought it would. When people said planes would fall from the sky, I said the ONLY relevant timers there deal with RELATIVE times of events and aren't driven by the calendar. They typically deal with seconds or fractions of that. SO, even if the GPS systems DID go out, the planes would keep flying.
    About the GPS systems, radar, etc... SAME THING! Gregorian time means NOTHING to them. Now late charges, interest on accounts, etc... are another story all together. Some licenses failed, computer bioses had to be updated, etc.... And YEP, I have heard horror stories, REAL ONES, about nearly every such event. STILL, Y2K was planned LONG in advance, and MOST stuff continued to run fine, EVEN if it had MASSIVE code changes. Some COBOL programmers were laughing all the way to the bank(LITERALLY) because so few people learned COBOL and told them that COBOL was a dead language. They did this stupid thing with the dates, and people ended up calling them back to fix it at a VERY GOOD PAY RATE! Those projects went on for YEARS! Some companies have a LOT of cobol code!

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  • Profile picture of the author bardman
    2012 is not about the end of the world. literally speaking, it's about a major shift in being for human beings - at least the start of a major change anyway - that's been milling for some time. Hopefully, it will not be a bloody change.
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    If you believe an UFO crashed in Roswell in 1947, then you'll believe 2012 is not fiction :p

    Whether fiction or not, I'm ready to face it and try to get out of it alive LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author tsampson
      I'll probably start making millions in 2012.
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  • Profile picture of the author harchenko
    I think it's fiction!
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  • Profile picture of the author ShAaNiG
    i dont think its fact or fiction its imagination
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    History does seem to repeat itself. I think it's fiction, but only time will tell!

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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Anyone who truly believes that 2012 is going to be the end of the world because of predictions is nuts. Same as anyone who thinks Nostradamus was not really just a crackpot writing utter nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Saw the movie on Sunday with the kid and it was great!

    The special effects were outstanding.

    Do I believe the end of the world stuff for real.

    No.


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  • Profile picture of the author armysurplus365
    It's just like the movie, The DaVinci's Code all over again.

    The thing about these movies (or books) is that they use real events or things then make a story out of it.

    The Mayan Calendar only ends on that year. But that doesn't mean that the world would end on that year.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Note to self: Do not register your domains for three years any longer as it will only lead to a waste of money as we will all be on the bottom of some ocean or another at the end of 2012.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashly
    we're all gonna die! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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  • Profile picture of the author arifbolang
    absolutely fiction, i dont believe 2012 is end of the day
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    I'll respond to seasoned's comments quickly as I need to get back to work:

    1. Reread what I said. I never said that the Earth was at the center of the Universe but once each year the Earth is in orbit around the Sun in a position that places it directly between the Sun and the black hole at the center of our galaxy so if it is true that it will occur in 2012, it's also true that it happened in 2009, 2010, 2011, etc.

    2. Yes, there are lunar tides. There is, however, no known relationship between tides and earthquakes and the black hole is so far away from Earth that it's gravitational pull on Earth is less than the gravitational pull of your body on the Earth. The Sun and the Moon's gravities are billions of times greater and they haven't torn the Earth to pieces.

    3. Again, I never said that every single scientific discovery is detailed in Scientific American magazine but I bet that if scientists believed that the Earth was going to be destroyed in 2012 that the magazine might consider that important enough to publish. And your remark about Newton's discoveries not being in a modern magazine was just silly.

    In conclusion, there is still absolutely no real evidence whatsoever that the Earth will be destroyed in 2012. It's just another in a series of disaster predictions that are based on an erroneous understanding of science and mystical fortune telling.
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  • Profile picture of the author jlxsolutions
    ZOMG were all gonna dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    Oh wait i dont care if i live or die
    No worries we all gonna be just fine /soothe
    just make sure IF it happens get drunk on dooms day and get laid and have a corona deluxe and you go out in style (and if your into "cough other things" Well do that to the days where suppoused to go boom.
    Thus this concludes the whole epic legendary book of JLX for the end of times survival guide
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  • Profile picture of the author log
    I think its fiction..
    just GOD to knows..
    prepare from now..to be better life buddy...
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Jones
    The Mayans believed in cycles of time, like Ages. They divided cycles within cycles. A Calendar Round lasted 52 years, and 22 of these Calendar Rounds formed an important Grand Cycle that was divided into 13 heavens followed by 9 hells - each of 52 years.

    Cortez landed in South America on the very exact day that the 1st of the 9 hells began in the last cycle. He was a bearded white man hailing from the East - just as their legends predicted he would. That's why they didn't drive him back into the sea.

    I don't think you can argue that the Mayan/Aztec world entered a hellish period and their "world" as they knew it came to an end.

    The 9 hells ended on August 17 1987 and we are currently in the 1st heaven of the new round. When the calendar resets on 21/12/2112 you can bet the Mayans didn't mean the World was going to end. They actually meant that an Age was going to end. And because we're in a period of heavens they probably implied that after the cleansing things were going to be pretty sweet for whoever is left.

    Ultimately change can be what you make of it.

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  • Profile picture of the author dhulremek
    i don't believe the world will end in 2012...
    i believe that the world will end at anytime...
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  • Profile picture of the author healthconverter
    The Mayan prophecy is most likely untrue, though it is fun to think of such things.

    Basically, the way I see it is that humanity is very close to destroying itself, but it has nothing to do with 2012. The Doomsday Clock, is a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about, it's strangely poetic for a scientific journal, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Pettit
    The Millenialist "Heresy" has been around for thousands of years. Virtually every generation has believed it would be the last. So far, the only ones that have been correct in their prediction (if they could have predicted) have been the dinosaurs. ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Davis
    And Newton with all his mathematical equations came up with the world ending in 2060. Whenever the ride comes I am ready, because there is much more fun to had in heaven as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author jlucado
    We have the smartest man in the world leading America right now. Just ask him.

    And I'm sure he can fix it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Megan Elizabeth
    There are many theories of what will happen when 2012 the "doomsday" comes around. You can toss ideas around, and what can happen, what won't happen, but at the end it's all just circumstantial.

    But to help put it perspective, there has always been a "2012" throughout history, a date when the world was going to end, and all hell would break loose. All you can do is NOT dwell on it, have faith and be prepared (just in case)

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      2012 is a fact - it will come right after 2011

      Most likely, it will be followed by 2013
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  • Profile picture of the author Doug
    The Year 2012

    Will be the end for many.
    Will be the beginning for many.
    Will mean different outcomes for every one else.

    Pointless really because any one of us could see our end today.
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  • Profile picture of the author austyno1
    My belief is that that day will be a significant day in history. as for what will happen, i really don't know.

    it never hurts to be prepared for the worst. let's keep our fingers crossed!
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    As always anything that Hollywood can use to stimulate our fear buds, they will use
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  • Profile picture of the author Sole
    I'm certain that all 2012 is myth
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  • Profile picture of the author olauno
    Interesting read. The dawn of a new age. Could this all be a renaissance all over again. At least I believe that, newer technology, in all aspects of our lives. Medical, Electronics, Space, Earth, etcc...... Things have changed and we are now seeing the beginning of a new age. Embrace it, learn from it, and add another chapter to your own story.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by olauno View Post

      Interesting read. The dawn of a new age. Could this all be a renaissance all over again. At least I believe that, newer technology, in all aspects of our lives. Medical, Electronics, Space, Earth, etcc...... Things have changed and we are now seeing the beginning of a new age. Embrace it, learn from it ...
      ... monetize it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Usmile
    The truth is, things that we've hear about 2012 can be possible I believe that everything ends though we really don't know exactly when.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Crap. The world might or might not end but I'm starting to think this thread and the other OT threads never will. They will just keep flashing back every few years to annoy those still here......of any species.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Crap. The world might or might not end but I'm starting to think this thread and the other OT threads never will. They will just keep flashing back every few years to annoy those still here......of any species.
      It's the closest thing we have to time travel...you should appreciate it....
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Crap. The world might or might not end but I'm starting to think this thread and the other OT threads never will. They will just keep flashing back every few years to annoy those still here......of any species.
      I'm waiting for someone to start a "What's your favourite end of the world prediction" thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        I'm waiting for someone to start a "What's your favourite end of the world prediction" thread.
        You mean no one ever thought of THAT? :p It seems a good idea. I love the aliens theory: they come and suck the life out of humans, then they send a laser thing and planet explodes.

        Kabum...

        P.S.: At least is funnier then volcanos. Can you imagine, running around escaping from aliens? lol
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        I'm waiting for someone to start a "What's your favourite end of the world prediction" thread.
        Yeaahhh....."Whats Your Favorite Way to Die at the End of the World?"
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