Teenage Fan Gets Tasered at Baseball Game

I hope no one got seriously hurt and I also say the overly-aggressive guard got what he deserved.

TL

Wow!! That is intense though!! I understand how he shouldn't be doing that, but seriously hurting him like that isn't the right way to do it! Once they had him down, he kept hitting him... That's the WRONG part. Some police officers take it waaaay too far if u ask me!

It's funny - 17 yr old - called his dad to ask if he should run onto the field "for a once in a lifetime experience". His dad told him not to do it.

He had his experience.

Where's the unthanks button for you and Kay?

You need to do some research on tasers and the lives they killed when being use in a reckless matter by police. In this case, completely unnecessary. Streakers and people who charge the field for attention have been around for a long time, and they are just their for attention. I think it's clear he was no threat, just being a stupid kid.

Should he get charged with whatever law they have for running on the field? Yes. Get punished for it according to the code or law? Yes. Get tasered just for running around like an idiot but in a non-threatening manner? No. Absolutely not. A taser can be a deadly weapon.

Now, if he had a knife and was charging at a player with it like in the Monica Seles incident, of course taser him, shoot him, whatever. That's a different story.

Tough crowd eh?


TL

LOL - a fly with a sledge hammer?

I would have equated that if they used, say, a bazooka on him.

I was shot with a salt gun when I was a kid. Why? Because I took a short-cut home one night through some property. Not damaging anything - just walking.

Did I deserve it? The property owner thought so

I can tell you this - it probably hurt as much (or more) as what that kid got. And the salt made it sting for HOURS. I was shot in the upper leg and limped for days. That kid in the video seemed perfectly fine.

If you read my original post you will see I agree with you

But the kid was definitely an idiot.

Mike

Given the choice between a cop with a taser and a few thousand angry sports fans, I'd take the tasing anyday.

I'm glad no one was really hurt and you're right, a crazy fan could be up to something - like the incident your referred to when two fans went after a coach.

It's best if people stay off the field.

Do you know where the footage of that incident is??? cause for the life of me I can't find it on youtube.

TL

That's because he didn't Kim. He called his father and his father said don't do it.

Sal he wasn't streaking or naked.

That's the risk you take when you violate someone else's safety by trespassing. You don't necessarily know whether someone violating a law is a lethal threat or a crazy jerk fooling around, and unfortunately, in order to protect your safety and the safety of those around you, you can't assume they aren't a threat.

It's the same reason why cops will often pull someone over, then ask for backup from another car to process the ticket or search if they don't feel safe. It has nothing to do with

People can also have allergic reactions to mace and other non-lethal methods, but if someone breaks the rules, and needs to be stopped, then they've got to get the situation under control.

[QUOTE=garyv;2061027] Dying from taser is a rarity. 300 is a large number, but when you compare it to the amount of people that tasers have been used on, it's a very minuscule number.
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One death from a Taser is too many.
Contrary to what some think, we are still human beings, not cattle to be electro-prodded into submission.

Well that small number sure does make it okay alright, doesn't it? And of course if they are just permanently damaged such as those who survive lightening are they don't count as casualties of excessive force.

But thanks for proving my point that Americans have gotten very self-righteous and vicious. Tasers are dangerous weapons, not toys. Guess you left the good ole playful school spirit back in school, eh?

OH - btw - we know it was an attention prank because the guy was STREAKING - which means naked. Care to guess where he might have hidden a weapon? You need to get out and have some fun sometime, you're getting to be a very cranky old man.

14 days is county lockup.
Having done that before, but never tasered I'd still take the time.

Going to a ball game is fun. But after you've seen someone get stabbed or beaten by someone jumping on to the field, then play time is over. Unfortunately there are people out there that have ruined the fun for everyone, and that's just a fact of life now. So you should definitely know better than to pull a foolish stunt like this. I'm not saying that I would have never done it. But i'd know to expect pain at the end of my fun.

Okay nando, that is very extreme and doesn't add up to the situation at all. Regardless of what he was doing or why, let's compare the two for a second.

Speeding is a misdemeanor. It's not punishable by any jail time at all and isn't grounds for arresting anyone, even though it is a bit dangerous and not always the smartest thing to do.

Trespassing is a crime, punishable by severe fines or jail time. And even if the kid looked like he was just having fun, does that mean he wasn't going to damage property or hurt people in the process? Just because someone waves around a shirt, they're not going to do anything bad to anyone? Seriously? You are that trusting?

I don't trust anyone who invades someone else's territory illegally. It's the beginning of all kinds of bad behavior.

And he also resisted arrest. When was the last time you were speeding but resisted being pulled over? Maybe then you'd deserve a punch in the face, but aside from that, your metaphor doesn't line up with reality at all.

hear, hear!
what the hell is wrong with our society that we have become so freakin mean-spirited?

there was absolutely no reason to tase the kid...none!

yes, he broke a rule, but like Kim said, let the punishment fit the crime!

Kim,

I was repeating, not giving an opinion one way or the other.

Obviously, people think tasers and tasing is justified in certain situations because it's allowed and is procedure. It's not my call.

But in reality, in talking to cops I have known over the years, they are trained not to take chances...

For example, have you ever watched a cop walk up to a car that they pulled over? You can see it's a minivan, with a woman driving. Seemingly harmless. Yet they unclip their holster and walk up carefully with hand at the ready.

Why? Because they really don't know the intent or state of mind of that person and can't see what may be hiding in that van.

So, now you have this seemingly harmless kid, running on to the field. Common sense (for you and me) would dictate the idiot kid was just doing something to get attention. But possibly, to that cop, he see's this kid is NOT obeying a lawful order to stop, so maybe he's thinking "Man this kid could be all whacked out on drugs! I'd better tase him!" or "What if this nutjob has a knife in his pocket?"

Again - I am NOT justifying the use of the taser. However, it's easy for us "Monday morning quarterbacks" to watch a video 600 times and say "It's OBVIOUS he was just a harmless fan" when maybe to that cop, at that moment, he was a possible threat.

Sometimes what seems "cut and dried" to some isn't quite so to others - especially while it's happening.

Just sayin...

Mike

Fine - so you want to be an accomplice to murder if an innocent prankster gets killed. We can handle that - but you better decide if your conscience can condone the support of lethal force against any little infraction. I hope most of us have more spine than that.

I for one would like to see the old fashioned chases we used to have - security PHYSICALLY besting the people who do something like this.........you do realize that in their own mentality, they are challenging the guards in a show of play to show they are faster and craftier. But who would expect any form of off the wall display of competition at a competitive sports match? Why do guards need to be in physical condition any more any how? For every person that thinks its all honky dory for our cops to use very dangerous force against this guy, there is another wondering why the fat, lazy a**hole didn't just run em down. Just think of how much much more strength and virility he would have exuded if he'd caught up with and dropped the guy via his own force and speed.
Sorry - I don't think much of cowards - especially with badges.
As a matter of fact, I just put out a PLR report that gives statistics on lightening. Do you realize that those that survive cost billions per year because electricity doesn't always kill - sometimes it just impairs people for life. Really messes em up, too.

More people die from getting tackled hard? Maybe little kids. Where the hell did you come up with THAT stat? 300 wrongful deaths were the stats years ago. Unfortunately we have no CURRENT stats because you now have to really dig to get them after outrage began in reaction to too frequent and unnecessary force used because of the power of the taser.

AND Lastly - WTF does the amount of people killed by a natural disaster have any relevance in the issue of abuse of power? Just because a "keyword" electricity is used in a conversation doesn't mean that the issue of how often it happens in nature has any bearing whether it should be replicated by law enforcement. Good grief.

Your arguments that this treatment is okay because lightening kills more people than cops using tasers, and that this guy was likely to be danger encompass many logica fallacies. Fallacy of irrelevant conclusion, appeal to probability, base rate fallacy, naturalistic evquivocation error, suppressed correlative, fallacy of truth by example, continuum fallacy, Gambler's fallacy, regression fallacy, false analogy, hasty generalization, argumentum ad hominem, definist fallacy, and slippery slope argumentation.

Are you running for an office or what? Are you really that defenseless and scared of other people that you find it okay to tase anyone who scares you? Get more logical plremises -- and then grow a set, wouldjya?

Philly fans in ALL sports they have a team in have this type of reputation

Not that N.Y. fans are superb - but they are not nearly as bad...