What do you think of the ending of "LOST"?

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I think it was terrible. They couldn't have picked a worst
ending

They didn't explain the numbers, what the island really was,
what the smoke thing was, how desmond and some other
fellas had special powers, why the island had special properties
etc.. etc..

There was a lot more stuff left unexplained.

What do you guys think about it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Originally Posted by IM Headlines View Post

    I think it was terrible. They couldn't have picked a worst
    ending

    They didn't explain the numbers, what the island really was,
    what the smoke thing was, how desmond and some other
    fellas had special powers, why the island had special properties
    etc.. etc..

    There was a lot more stuff left unexplained.

    What do you guys think about it?
    Like Damon and Carlton said, "It may take 3 to 6 months to process." It was not the ending I really wanted but it was fitting and beautiful IMO. Many of the questions you pose were already answered this season, IE: The Island is the cork in the bottle, etc...

    BEST show ever!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Without coming off as insulting (hard to do in this case) anybody who was
      disappointed with the ending of Lost was...

      1. Not a true fan.

      2. Didn't really get what the show was all about.

      But this is living proof that no matter how great something is (and IMO, this
      was the greatest series finale of all time) there are going to be people who
      think it sucked.

      And Internet marketers wonder why they get emails telling them that their
      product sucked when they put everything they had into it.

      It's called human nature.
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      • Profile picture of the author Unitedmarketing
        Steven you totally get the award on this one! I couldn't have said it any better myself. Human nature...Some people get it...some just won't

        My wife and I loved that show, but of course i was to busy building backlinks to watch...haha...go netflix...until season 6. I can't understand how that show, great as it was, could of held peoples attention with all those damn commercials!!

        either way...nice mental brake on marketing related topics
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Anyone care to summarise the ending?
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      Anyone care to summarise the ending?
      Thomas,
      I started to answer this but decided someone that actually liked it might do it better than myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "Without coming off as insulting (hard to do in this case) anybody who was
    disappointed with the ending of Lost was...

    1. Not a true fan.

    2. Didn't really get what the show was all about."

    You forgot number 3:
    Doesn't settle for cop out crap writing.

    Without coming off as insulting, anyone who thinks this is quality writing and a fitting end to a great story likes being spoon fed pablum.

    Sorry Steven, but we are 180 degrees from each other on this.The ending fits right up there with the "who shot JR" being a dream.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "Without coming off as insulting (hard to do in this case) anybody who was
      disappointed with the ending of Lost was...

      1. Not a true fan.

      2. Didn't really get what the show was all about."

      You forgot number 3:
      Doesn't settle for cop out crap writing.

      Without coming off as insulting, anyone who thinks this is quality writing and a fitting end to a great story likes being spoon fed pablum.

      Sorry Steven, but we are 180 degrees from each other on this.The ending fits right up there with the "who shot JR" being a dream.

      No prob. Nobody's opinion is going to diminish my total enjoyment of
      the greatest show ever to hit TV and the greatest ending they could
      have possibly come up for it.

      Like I said...you can't please everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Sorry, but I agree for the most part w/ Steven on this one. One of the most clever written shows ever. The ending was absolutely amazing in my opinion. So good in fact that I'll probably watch every episode again this summer, just so I can pay attention to when each person actually dies.

    I'm not going to down anyone for not liking it. But you literally have to just about watch every episode twice to catch everything that's going on. This summer will be about my 4th time to go through the episodes.

    I will say this though. They did try to cram too much into the last few episodes. They could have stretched it out much further and given a few more episodes to jacob and his brother.

    But I'm in agreement w/ Steven - probably the best television show ever written.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Absolutely correct about most of it, and I certainly wouldn't want to take away anyones enjoyment,but I am with the OP on this one, way too many unanswered or poorly answered questions..
    I'm glad those of you that liked it did so,and I hope you have many hours watching it over and over again.
    I think during the run of the show they had many many moments of brilliance,which sadly made the weak ending (imo) all the weaker.

    This is very similar to LOTR, some think the movies were brilliant, I think the movies were "ok" but certainly it was a *******ization of the story, not a retelling of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Absolutely correct about most of it, and I certainly wouldn't want to take away anyones enjoyment,but I am with the OP on this one, way too many unanswered or poorly answered questions..
      I'm glad those of you that liked it did so,and I hope you have many hours watching it over and over again.
      I think during the run of the show they had many many moments of brilliance,which sadly made the weak ending (imo) all the weaker.

      This is very similar to LOTR, some think the movies were brilliant, I think the movies were "ok" but certainly it was a *******ization of the story, not a retelling of it.
      IMO, and again, this is ONLY my opinion, if you didn't like the way they
      ended Lost, no ending would have been satisfactory.

      Here's why.

      With the end of season 5, Juliet detonating the bomb, which supposedly
      was to make it so that the plane never crashed and they never ended up
      on the island, thus negating the first 5 seasons, the only thing they could
      have done in this season and have any story to tell, was what they did...

      1. The appearance of the plane never crashing.

      2. The survivors still on the island.

      In other words, the introduction of what has been referred to as sideways
      world.

      So season 6 essentially was the telling of how the two worlds merged.

      Fine.

      So let's look at the possibilities.

      1. They do whatever they do on the island AFTER the nuke detonated
      to complete the process, thus making it so that in the final episode,
      things simply continue on in sideways world and everybody lives happily
      ever after, somehow meeting up in real life anyway.

      Boring and predictable. After all, THAT is what we were essentially waiting
      for. How do you possibly make that interesting?

      2. The nuke works immediately, they go through what would have been
      their normal lives, find out that their normal lives are a mess, eventually
      all meet and decide to take a plane trip together and end up crashing
      on the island thus coming full circle and leaving us with no ending.

      Hokey and infuriating

      3. The nuke doesn't work, they don't do the sideways world bit and they
      all end up sinking with the island.

      I won't even go into how infuriating that would have been to fans.

      I could keep going on with different scenarios (I used to write TV scripts
      many years ago) but I think you got the point.

      There was no way to end this other than how they did it. It was totally
      unexpected and at the same time, gave us closure. They're all at peace in
      heaven, or whatever you want to call it.

      But the final outcome in itself was not what made this ending so great. It
      was HOW they got there.

      If you watch the whole season you can now see how it actually makes
      perfect sense.

      These people all really died.

      Gin and Sun in the sub
      Sayeed in the sub
      Charlie in season 3
      Locke in season 4

      Right up until Jack in the least scene of season 6 when he closes he eyes
      for the last time.

      If this is hack writing, I pity the poor people who really ARE hack writers
      because they shouldn't be working in the business.

      Ultimately, this is all subjective and I can perfectly understand anybody
      not liking any particular thing...even things universally admired.

      Citizen Kane is supposed to be some great movie.

      I didn't care much for it.

      But I can understand why people would like it.

      Taste is a beautiful thing and why there is no formula for good and bad.

      One man's "Toxic Avenger" schlock is another man's "Gone With The Wind"
      masterpiece.

      It's why people get so excited when something they do is appreciated.

      They realize that it's not a given.
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    I was hoping there would be a thread here to discuss the finale of LOST.

    I don't think the finale sucked, but I have let it all sink in and I just feel unsatisfied with the ending. And not because they didn't answer all of the mythological questions they raised during the story, but because I just didn't feel like I was watching the same show anymore.

    It almost seems like seasons 1 thru 5 were ONE show and season 6 was all its own. And it could be that the storytelling was extremely rushed this season, but it just didn't feel the same. If the sideways timeline was indeed where they all waited to "move on" then why was the island at the bottom of the ocean? Why did the flash sideways "waiting room" world exist in 2004 while all of the Original Timeline stuff was taking place in 2007?

    Why did Faraday have that talk with Desmond about the nuclear bomb going off and "changing things?" How does one have a baby in the afterlife that is then dead as well? Why didn't we find out about the conflict between the Man in Black and Jacob before the END of season 5?

    I'm an avid LOST fan but I'm just not feeling that all of these people crash landed on an island in 2004 to then find themselves in a "flash-sideways" alternate universe discovering that they are dead...

    Does that mean that they died in the plane crash in 2004? How can that be if Jack's father told him that everything was real, it happened? Maybe I'm just seriously confused, but I feel the end scene was nothing more than Fan Service. I've listened to the podcasts and there is no way they planned the church scene from the beginning. Maybe the eye closing, but not the church.

    Anyway. Irregardless if I loved the ending or not I am glad that it is over. I fell in love with this show back in 2004 and I've waited a long time to see the end -- I'm happy I saw it and that I can move on from what was an excellent TV show when it began and then literally got lost (no pun intended) around Season 3 and 4.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Mainstreetcm, I think you hit a lot of the things that made it unsatisfying to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Okay, you folks who didn't like the ending.

      How would you have ended it?

      I realize you're probably not professional script writers but give it a shot.

      I'm curious as to what you think they should have done.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Steven,
    If this is referring to something I said, "If this is hack writing, I pity the poor people who really ARE hack writers
    because they shouldn't be working in the business.", I never called it hack writing.
    I called the episode Pablum, there is a big difference.
    Now, if we want to discuss hack writing, I'd say 95% of the slop that actually makes it onto the tv is in that category.
    ( Geez I hate getting old, I had something I wanted to add and it just slipped right out of my mild..lol)
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Steven,
      If this is referring to something I said, "If this is hack writing, I pity the poor people who really ARE hack writers
      because they shouldn't be working in the business.", I never called it hack writing.
      I called the episode Pablum, there is a big difference.
      Now, if we want to discuss hack writing, I'd say 95% of the slop that actually makes it onto the tv is in that category.
      ( Geez I hate getting old, I had something I wanted to add and it just slipped right out of my mild..lol)
      For me pablum = hack writing. It's the easy way out.

      I don't feel the writers took the easy way out. In fact, I think they did
      something quite daring...killing off a bunch of people who we have come
      to love.

      But they did it in such a way where they ultimately showed us two things.

      1. We DO make a difference in the lives of others.

      2. There is something better beyond this world.

      At least that's what I got out of it and maybe that's why I was so happy
      with how it ended.
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        For me pablum = hack writing. It's the easy way out.

        By Pablum I meant something very palatable for almost everyone.
        It doesn't mean hack writing, but I can see how you could see it that way.
        To me it was the easy way out.
        Maybe I just overthink things sometime, but I saw that ending coming,and I actually thought/hoped the writers would prove me wrong.


        From Wiki:
        "The name is also used metaphorically, especially in literary criticism, to refer to something bland, unappetizing, or with little content value.

        (Sorry took so long to answer, had to do my treatment)


        And of course, at the end of the day, its still just a friggin TV show.
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    I don't think any of it was hack writing. I love LOST, I really do. I have always felt that the show was one of the best on television, maybe only matched by the epic that was Battlestar Galactica. I feel unsatisfied because what originally made LOST so great was the mysteries surrounding everything and I just didn't get the closure I was personally looking for.

    It wasn't a bad ending by any means, and I'm sure there will be people who absolutely loved it, but to me it just seems like something was missing. Steven, excellent posts, and by no means am I trying to rain on your parade because you liked the finale. It's cool that you were a screen writer and that is something that I myself am striving to do -- so please don't think I'm trying to run in here and say this or that sucked. It was a good episode overall.

    As for what I would had done differently?
    I would have had them continue the cycle "until" they got things "right". The ending was having the characters reach the end of their journey only to see that they had been through it all once before. A perfect example is when Jack puts the rock back into the hole. As soon as he did, the light would show him that he failed, as he was supposed to "protect" the island and not send Desmond down to do what the MiB wanted.

    The whole series from season 1 on would would then flash before his eyes, and to his horror he would realize that this wasn't the first time he failed. Then in another flash the magnetic properties of island would transport Jack back to the bamboo where his eye would open, back to the very start of the series. Jack would then get another chance to do things "right" by protecting the island... THEN I could have seen them moving onto the afterlife after fulfilling there destiny...

    ----

    I'm sure some won't like that at all, but thats how I would have done it. All they talked about for five damn seasons was rules, black vs. white, more rules, listening to island over-rulers. Ben can't kill Widmore because of the "rules" but then all of a sudden in season six there are no more rules? None of the candidates can be killed -- but in Season 4 Jack would have killed Locke, but the gun wasn't loaded...

    The Others, Widmore, even the Dharma Initiative, just about everyone was being controlled and/or killed by either Jacob or the MiB. There were rules set in place by these two (and later we found out their mother) to protect the island and its properties. And in true LOST fashion we never found out what the hell these properties were. But we knew they had to protect it, they didn't protect it and because they didn't do things within the rules the "system" reset itself.

    So the Island was such a prominent component throughout the whole story, but the ending of the story is that everyone is dead in sideways land because they created it (how?) to "move on." What in the hell does that have to do with anything?

    Again my questions about sideways land are: Why is the island underwater? How does one have a baby when they are dead? Why was Faraday so concerned about the bomb that "changed things?" Why does sideways land exist in the year 2004 while all of the stuff on the island is taking place in 2007? This is fan service and nothing more...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

      Again my questions about sideways land are: Why is the island underwater? How does one have a baby when they are dead? Why was Faraday so concerned about the bomb that "changed things?" Why does sideways land exist in the year 2004 while all of the stuff on the island is taking place in 2007? This is fan service and nothing more...
      Sadly, I don't have the answers to your questions, though I have a pretty
      good idea on number 1.

      And therein lies what I and my daughter feel is a big problem with people
      in general when they watch stuff like this. They're looking for two many
      nit picky answers. We never expected every single little mystery to be
      explained. If they were, the season finale would have been 4 1/2 hours.

      We understood that with some things, we'd have to use a little imagination,
      something that seems to be a lost art.

      So let's take the island being under water.

      How?

      Go back to the scene between Ben and Hurley when Hurley was made
      in charge of the island. He said to Ben, "How can we do this when nobody
      can leave the island?" And Ben said to him, "Those were Jacob's rules. You
      can make your own rules." (Remember the episode with Alison Janey
      when she explains that the one in charge makes the rules)

      So my theory is that Hurley decided to sink the island himself and got
      Ben to help him. And that's how they ultimately died.

      Remember, we didn't see the deaths of everybody on the island. Some
      people we have to guess at. And then if you go back to the scene between
      Jack and his father, IMO the most important scene of the whole series and
      one that really does explain things, his father explains that everybody dies
      eventually and while maybe all these people died at different times, they
      were all together because they were an important part of each other's
      lives.

      And Jacob knew this was going to be the case, which is why these people
      were brought together in the first place.

      Does it matter that we really don't know just who Jacob and MiB were
      or what the light on the island REALLY meant?

      No. What matters, and what people who feel the ending was lacking are
      missing is the points that Christian Shepherd made to Jack in that final
      scene.

      Watch the whole the series again in retrospect from beginning to end and
      you'll understand.

      But if you're looking for all the little "why this and what that's" to be
      answered (something impossible in a series like this) then you are going
      to be very disappointed.

      Something apparently many people were.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Let me add one more thing.

        Was Lost perfect?

        No...far from it. But no show is perfect. This one had its share of
        unanswered questions and even continuity problems if you look hard enough.

        It also had its share of forgettable story lines and characters like Mr. Echo.

        But overall, and even given the "ending" if you want to look at it as flawed,
        this show was the most riveting hour of TV that I've seen since my early
        days of watching Combat back in the mid 60s.

        Most TV shows go off the air and I say, "Oh well, that was fun."

        Lost...Well, that's pretty much how I feel about what's left to watch.

        I'm only glad I was alive to be a part of this once in a lifetime event.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          One last thing.

          Say what you want about Lost, but Law & Order, a show that has been
          on for 20 seasons is being canceled without even giving it a true final
          episode.

          A show on for that long deserves better.
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          • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            One last thing.

            Say what you want about Lost, but Law & Order, a show that has been
            on for 20 seasons is being canceled without even giving it a true final
            episode.

            A show on for that long deserves better.
            Well one thing we can agree on. I'm not even sure why they canceled it. NBC has other stuff that draws a worse rating...
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

              I'm not even sure why they canceled it.
              How long could they play Law and Order episodes 24 hours a day without showing a repeat?

              Do we really need more of them?
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I think it's kind of smart the way they left it kind of open for interpretation at the end. It makes you want to go back and see how well the previous episodes line up with the way they ended it. And you could probably watch it all a dozen times and come up w/ a different theory each and every time. Good stuff in my opinion. Yes the end was cheesy seeing them all together and happy. But just about every other episode ended in that same cheesy happy way.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve m
    IMO I liked the ending, although I was a little confused on how they could all of been dead. Most of the deaths we saw. But some I don't recall seeing.

    Ben and Hurly stay on the island to protect it and die at some point. But what about Kate, Sawyer and the others that left on the plane?

    I have to admit that lost is the best tv show I have ever seen.

    I do have one question though, why was Jacks father so important?

    Apart from that I liked the ending....
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    How the heck can some of you guys be happy about an ending
    that doesn't reveal a thing?

    As for "I'm not a true fan" or I haven't understood it" or something
    like that. NOT true. I've watched the whole series 3 times before
    watching the last season.

    It was a great show, and I still think of it as a great show when I
    think about it. BUT they totally ruined it with the ending.

    Sometimes I think that you guys who are saying that
    the ending was good didn't watch the whole show, or
    maybe you forgot lots of stuff.

    I mean weren't you guys curious to understand the mysteries
    of it all?

    Let me show you some of the stuff that they didn't explain
    again (because there's a lot)


    1) The numbers

    2) The smoke thing

    3) Who was the adoptive mother of jacob & MIB and how did she
    get there?

    4) Why did the island have special properties?

    5) Why is desmond immune against electromagnetism & how
    can he see the future?

    6) Why was walt special?

    7) Why did pregnant woman die on the island?

    8) How did jacob become special? As we saw in "across
    the sea" he was just a normal person.

    9) Why couldn't Jacob & MIB kill each other?

    10) And why couldn't MIB kill the candidates directly?

    11) How did charles widmore and the other people that
    were with richard get on the island the first time?

    12) What's the island exactly?

    13) Why couldn't michael kill himself when he was off the island?
    They said to him that the island wouldn't let him, but how? Was he
    aready dead?

    14) What's the DEAL with the island. Why does it need protection?
    Why is it so important?

    EDIT:

    15) They say jacob brought jack & the others on the island. Just
    as he brought other people to the island, but how did he bring them
    to the island?

    16) Remember when locke was pushed by his father and he broke
    his back? Jacob was there, andsomehow he knew what was going to
    happen. How did he know?


    Those are the ones that I can remember right now. But there
    are more. :/ If I remember more I'll post them.

    So, I ask again... how can you be happy about the ending of
    the show when it doesn't reveal a thing?

    In fiction, mysteries are created to be revealed. If they didn't
    explain one or 2 mysteries then it would've been okay. But
    they barely explained anything!

    IMO, LOST was just one big TEASE. 75% of the episodes that
    were created were for nothing. They kept adding mysteries and
    they didn't reveal them.

    Clearly those of you who say it's a nice ending have forgotten
    about all the mysteries that were created in the previous
    seasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyv
      Originally Posted by IM Headlines View Post


      Let me show you some of the stuff that they didn't explain
      again (because there's a lot)


      1) The numbers

      2) The smoke thing

      3) Who was the adoptive mother of jacob & MIB and how did she
      get there?

      4) Why did the island have special properties?

      5) Why is desmond immune against electromagnetism & how
      can he see the future?

      6) Why was walt special?

      7) Why did pregnant woman die on the island?

      8) How did jacob become special? As we saw in "across
      the sea" he was just a normal person.

      9) Why couldn't Jacob & MIB kill each other?

      10) And why couldn't MIB kill the candidates directly?

      11) How did charles widmore and the other people that
      were with richard get on the island the first time.

      12) What's the island exactly?

      13) Why couldn't michael kill himself when he was off the island?
      They said to him that the island wouldn't let him, but how? Was he
      aready dead?

      14) What's the DEAL with the island. Why does it need protection?
      Why is it so important?

      The numbers symbolize the final six "candidates" to become the island's new protector. They were on the cave wall

      The rest can be left up to your own theories which is why it's so great.

      Being that the whole thing has major spiritual and religious overtones, we can maybe assume that Desmond was immune to the island because of something to do w/ his former priesthood.

      As for the pregnant women, passover is the story in the Bible of a plague that killed every first born son. This could have been something similar set in place to prevent Jacob or his brother from finding successors.

      Also in some religions, Jesus and the devil were brothers before the devil was cast out of heaven. So Jacob and MIB could represent Jesus and the devil.

      Those are of course just my theories. But the genius of this show is that you could come up w/ many different theories, and they'd all fit. If they were to explain every detail of the story, there would have been many more people unhappy w/ the story than there are right now. This makes it fun, because you can keep plugging in theories to see which one fits the best. I love the way they've done it.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        The numbers symbolize the final six "candidates" to become the island's new protector. They were on the cave wall
        I know. But how were the numbers engraved on the hatch
        which was built by the dharma initiative. The dharma folks
        didn't follow jacob, they didn't even know about him.

        And hurley won the lottery with them which is a
        great coincidence.

        If I remember correctly the numbers were shown in other
        places as well, like when hurley saw them on the meter in
        his car. Even roussaeu mentioned them if I remember
        correctly.

        Lots of coincidences that don't make sense.




        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        Also in some religions, Jesus and the devil were brothers before the devil was cast out of heaven. So Jacob and MIB could represent Jesus and the devil.

        Personally I think that Jacob & MIB were based on Jacob & Esau,
        sons of isaac. Their characters were very similar to those of
        Jacob & MIB from lost. And I think that's why they never
        mentioned MIB by his name. If they called him Esau, then
        it would've been easy for the fans to figure it out.





        Originally Posted by garyv View Post

        Those are of course just my theories. But the genius of this show is that you could come up w/ many different theories, and they'd all fit. If they were to explain every detail of the story, there would have been many more people unhappy w/ the story than there are right now. This makes it fun, because you can keep plugging in theories to see which one fits the best. I love the way they've done it.

        But they left out way too much stuff mate. I like movies that are
        hard to understand. The ones that leave you lots of hints &
        leave it to you to figure it out.

        Unfortunately, lost had lots of mysteries but not too many
        valid hints to solve them out yourself.

        There are things which you can never figure out. Like
        the smoke monster etc...

        I don't see it as genius. I think the writers of the show kept
        adding mysteries to make lost a longer series and they couldn't
        find a way to explain them without ruining the show. So they
        put up this ending that we saw and let the fans make up a story
        for themselves.

        Good for most viewers, but for guys like me, who get into a
        movie or show & literally try to understand every bit of it,
        it's NOT enough. :/


        Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. There's nothing better that
        finishing a series & saying, "IT WAS WORTH IT".

        It all depends on characters. I'm way too curious to be
        satisfied by endings like these.

        Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    I think, as an ending to the story, it was a good ending and one I'm happy with.

    I just feel like there's a large part of the story that hasn't been told and I'm unhappy that they didn't answer so many of the questions, even though they've had 3 or 4 years to plan it.

    It's like they jumped to the end of the story and provided a great ending, but still missed out a chunk of story telling along the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    IM Headlines... I totally agree with your post and you highlight many of my frustrations with the show ever since season 5. This would have been a good finale for THIS season, but as a show conclusion, I don't feel it was anything remotely fantastic.

    Maybe I'm just a jaded lostie who needed to know all of these things, but I re-watched the finale after work and the church scene just doesn't have anything to do with LOST in my opinion. It like comes straight out of left field if you ask me.

    I mean whats up with the scene where Desmond tells Jack to not send him down the hole because it all doesn't matter and something about them existing in a different place?
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  • Profile picture of the author pianochris
    I gave up half way through the First Seaon and it appears that I guessed the ending after hearing about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
      Originally Posted by pianochris View Post

      I gave up half way through the First Seaon and it appears that I guessed the ending after hearing about it.
      I would encourage you to go back and revisit the first season. It was by far the best with season 2 coming in a distant second. LOST really was a good show... and then something happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    Alright. So I watched the damn thing again. I guess I just can't believe things ended THAT way -- I was expecting something totally different and it might explain my disappointment with what we were given.

    But I do have a question. Christian says "you guys made this place to move on." When did they do this? When did any one of the characters throughout the entire run of this show say "hey you know what? Who cares if we die, because we are going to create this crazy world where we can all be happy again..."

    Is no one else seeing the straight-out-of-left field ending this looked like to some of us?
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    LOL glad I never watched a minutes worth of it. Sounds crazy with a silly ending. IM Headlnes sounds right. Sound slike they merely added things in with no intention of explaining them. Oh well hope you guys enjoyed it?

    IMO, LOST was just one big TEASE. 75% of the episodes that
    were created were for nothing. They kept adding mysteries and
    they didn't reveal them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I'm just going to address a couple of things that some of you are pissed
      about because they didn't explain them that you would have figured out
      if you actually watched the show.

      1. The numbers. The scene in the cave explained them. If you looked at
      the names of the candidates, each one had a number next to them. There
      were 6 candidates. If you checked the numbers, they were the same ones
      as the lottery, the hatch, etc. There is your meaning.

      2. The smoke monster came out of Jacob throwing MiB into the light. That
      was what caused the smoke monster.

      For those of you who needed to have somebody sit down and say, "Okay
      this meant this and this meant that" you probably should have never
      started watching this show in the first place. I knew right away that
      there were going to be things that would never be explained.

      But all I cared about was one thing.

      Would they get off the island?

      And if so, how?

      I cared about the characters. And if you actually watched the show and
      watched how it was done, you would have understood that the only thing
      that really mattered was the characters.

      This was NOT a mystery show. It was a character study. In fact it was
      an entire study on humanity itself.

      So if you were expecting a Sherlock Holmes "Elementary Watson, this is
      how they did it" finish, then yes...you were going to be very disappointed.

      Sorry you were, but you obviously never got what this show was really
      about.

      And in a way, I feel sorry for you folks because you missed out on a rare
      treat.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I'm just going to address a couple of things that some of you are pissed
        about because they didn't explain them that you would have figured out
        if you actually watched the show.

        1. The numbers. The scene in the cave explained them. If you looked at
        the names of the candidates, each one had a number next to them. There
        were 6 candidates. If you checked the numbers, they were the same ones
        as the lottery, the hatch, etc. There is your meaning.

        2. The smoke monster came out of Jacob throwing MiB into the light. That
        was what caused the smoke monster.
        :sigh: Nice explanations. Duh, I know how the smoke monster was
        born, but neither you nor me can ever know what it was. And the
        same goes for pretty much all of the mysteries on lost.


        And contrary to what you say. The mysteries do matter. That's
        what made lost special, the mysteries, not the characters.

        If lost was without mysteries, they wouldn't have had 20%
        of the viewers they had...

        Anyway, glad you enjoyed it.
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      • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Sorry you were, but you obviously never got what this show was really
        about.

        And in a way, I feel sorry for you folks because you missed out on a rare
        treat.
        You keep saying this and I just don't get it. I understand that LOST was about the characters. I am not pissed about that, nor do I have any of the questions the other posters do.

        What I DO NOT understand is this whole afterlife deal. It wasn't until season six that this "flash-sideways" world even existed. Christian says "you guys made this place to move on." When did they do this? When did any one of the characters throughout the entire run of this show say "hey you know what? Who cares if we die, because we are going to create this crazy world where we can all be happy again..."

        THAT is what I'm angry about. The whole "sideways-land" was just a red-herring -- one that wasn't even mentioned in previous seasons. I originally thought "oh they died during the original plane crash" but apparently that is NOT the case. They did indeed die on the island and I saw the conclusion to that.

        I was touched by the ending. It was nice to see all of those characters in the same place, all smiling and happy. BUT what in the hell does that have to do with the previous 6 seasons? Do you understand where WE are coming from? I watched this thing from the very beginning, knowing full well all the mysteries wouldn't come true.

        Then the END of the story is that they died on the island, went to a "purgatory" that they created (and we only saw in ONE season) to then find each other and then move on to whatever is next? How does that make any sense except to a person who has only seen this season?

        In a nutshell I am not satisfied with this ending because the ending dealt with the sideways universe that was revealed to have no relation to any of the other seasons. There is nada, zip, ziltch, zero ever mentioned about this "afterlife world" they created anywhere except in this episode. It just appears straight out of left field, because well I think the creators wrote themselves into a hole with the "sideways-world" and frankly its nothing more than fan service.

        You can tell me that I'm not a true LOST fan until you are blue in the face and I will happily tell you otherwise. I've watched since the beginning, I put up with the farce that was Season 3. I wouldn't even care to get answers to all of the questions that are still lingering -- but that ending was ridiculous and ruined what was an otherwise GREAT show.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by mainstreetcm View Post

          You keep saying this and I just don't get it. I understand that LOST was about the characters. I am not pissed about that, nor do I have any of the questions the other posters do.

          What I DO NOT understand is this whole afterlife deal. It wasn't until season six that this "flash-sideways" world even existed. Christian says "you guys made this place to move on." When did they do this? When did any one of the characters throughout the entire run of this show say "hey you know what? Who cares if we die, because we are going to create this crazy world where we can all be happy again..."

          THAT is what I'm angry about. The whole "sideways-land" was just a red-herring -- one that wasn't even mentioned in previous seasons. I originally thought "oh they died during the original plane crash" but apparently that is NOT the case. They did indeed die on the island and I saw the conclusion to that.

          I was touched by the ending. It was nice to see all of those characters in the same place, all smiling and happy. BUT what in the hell does that have to do with the previous 6 seasons? Do you understand where WE are coming from? I watched this thing from the very beginning, knowing full well all the mysteries wouldn't come true.

          Then the END of the story is that they died on the island, went to a "purgatory" that they created (and we only saw in ONE season) to then find each other and then move on to whatever is next? How does that make any sense except to a person who has only seen this season?

          In a nutshell I am not satisfied with this ending because the ending dealt with the sideways universe that was revealed to have no relation to any of the other seasons. There is nada, zip, ziltch, zero ever mentioned about this "afterlife world" they created anywhere except in this episode. It just appears straight out of left field, because well I think the creators wrote themselves into a hole with the "sideways-world" and frankly its nothing more than fan service.

          You can tell me that I'm not a true LOST fan until you are blue in the face and I will happily tell you otherwise. I've watched since the beginning, I put up with the farce that was Season 3. I wouldn't even care to get answers to all of the questions that are still lingering -- but that ending was ridiculous and ruined what was an otherwise GREAT show.

          I get it...You didn't like it.

          Sorry you didn't like it.

          Glad I did.

          And yeah, it's just a friggin TV show.

          Next subject.
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          • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I get it...You didn't like it.

            Sorry you didn't like it.

            Glad I did.

            And yeah, it's just a friggin TV show.

            Next subject.
            Yeah I probably went over-board. Your right its just a TV Show lol. Next Subject?

            Someone mentioned on another board that they might do a spin-off series with Linus. Any thoughts on that?
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I cared about the characters. And if you actually watched the show and watched how it was done, you would have understood that the only thing that really mattered was the characters.
        This is a split that largely happens along gender lines, although there are certainly enough counterexamples for a lot of people to be offended. I'm not suggesting Steven is a woman, or that he is "in touch with his feminine side," or any of that crap. But in general, you'll find that men and women prefer different kinds of entertainment.

        Men like stuff to happen. People get chased. People get shot. Things blow up. And in the end, there is a reason all this stuff happened, and it gets wrapped up in a neat little package tied with a bow.

        Women like people to interact. Chasing and shooting and blowing up aren't interesting to them. They want long conversations and meaningful looks and complicated relationships. And in the end, you've walked into the middle of someone's life for a while, and then you've walked out. Just like they were there before you showed up, they will be there after you leave, and some things are still unresolved.

        There is always this effort in Hollywood to make these things work together somehow, and they just don't, because each side of the coin is bored to tears by the other side. Men think Die Hard was one of the greatest movies ever; women would rather have teeth pulled. Women rave about Steel Magnolias, and men just run out of the room screaming. You can't do both. You have to pick one.

        And whichever one you pick, you leave a bunch of people on the curb going "WTF, that was crap."
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          This is a split that largely happens along gender lines, although there are certainly enough counterexamples for a lot of people to be offended. I'm not suggesting Steven is a woman, or that he is "in touch with his feminine side," or any of that crap. But in general, you'll find that men and women prefer different kinds of entertainment.

          Men like stuff to happen. People get chased. People get shot. Things blow up. And in the end, there is a reason all this stuff happened, and it gets wrapped up in a neat little package tied with a bow.

          Women like people to interact. Chasing and shooting and blowing up aren't interesting to them. They want long conversations and meaningful looks and complicated relationships. And in the end, you've walked into the middle of someone's life for a while, and then you've walked out. Just like they were there before you showed up, they will be there after you leave, and some things are still unresolved.

          There is always this effort in Hollywood to make these things work together somehow, and they just don't, because each side of the coin is bored to tears by the other side. Men think Die Hard was one of the greatest movies ever; women would rather have teeth pulled. Women rave about Steel Magnolias, and men just run out of the room screaming. You can't do both. You have to pick one.

          And whichever one you pick, you leave a bunch of people on the curb going "WTF, that was crap."

          As usual, you nailed it. And that's why there will never be one TV show,
          movie, book, play or anything that is going to equally appeal to everybody.

          As for being in touch with my feminine side, I'm not even going to go
          there. I must be a freak because I love movies like Die Hard and sci fi
          and all kinds of action stuff. I love mysteries, comedies, musicals, even
          a good biography.

          The Lost episodes with Desmond traveling in time were some of my
          favorites for the sci fi aspect as well as when he finally got to be with
          Penny.

          Like I said, I'm a freak. And I'm cool with that.

          It allows me to enjoy a lot more things than the average person.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            I must be a freak because I love movies like Die Hard and sci fi and all kinds of action stuff. I love mysteries, comedies, musicals, even a good biography.
            You'll certainly find my Zune player packed with a lot of black, doom, and death metal - but also with Barry Manilow, John Denver, and the Carpenters.

            Likewise, if you look at my movie collection, you'll find Hellraiser and Event Horizon sitting right alongside A Walk in the Clouds and Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet.

            Most people aren't surprised that I'm a huge fan of South Park and Family Guy, but my obsession with Buffy the Vampire Slayer often shocks people.

            And as I told Patrician not so long ago, hey, my favourite Broadway musical may be Sweeney Todd... but I do have a favourite Broadway musical. (Into the Woods is a close second. I love Sondheim.)
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            • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              And as I told Patrician not so long ago, hey, my favourite Broadway musical may be Sweeney Todd... but I do have a favourite Broadway musical. (Into the Woods is a close second. I love Sondheim.)
              Both Sweeney Todd and Into the Woods are Sondheim musicals. No shame being a Sondheim fan. There's a good reason many call him the American Puccini. Try A Little Night Music and Sunday in the Park with George.

              Die Hard IS one of the greatest movies ever. Enlightened women know this:rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

                Both Sweeney Todd and Into the Woods are Sondheim musicals.
                Thus the mention.

                Try A Little Night Music and Sunday in the Park with George.
                Both good. Also rather liked Company, myself.
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

                Both Sweeney Todd and Into the Woods are Sondheim musicals. No shame being a Sondheim fan. There's a good reason many call him the American Puccini. Try A Little Night Music and Sunday in the Park with George.

                Die Hard IS one of the greatest movies ever. Enlightened women know this:rolleyes:
                I watched each and every one of the Die Hard movies and loved them all!

                Why women wouldn't enjoy it is a mystery to me...I mean Bruce Willis is eye candy even if they're not into the story!:p

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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    The numbers were first explained as the Valenzetti Equation, but was not canon.

    It was explained in The Lost Experience ARG, between season 1 and season 2. Or between season 2 and 3... I can't remember which.

    I much prefer that explanation of the numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlanGNW
    Was pretty much the ending I guessed within the first couple of episodes of season 1. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed it. Personally, I'd have been more happy if it had been left totally open on the explosion of the bomb.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    The producers have said there will be no movie, but have also said that Disney would be foolish to let go of the Lost fanbase.

    Apparently there's more story to come (but not on TV or in a movie), the producers said most of the story has been told but not all of it. I'm guessing the rest will be explained in the DVD box set.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "And of course, at the end of the day, its still just a friggin TV show."
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    • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "And of course, at the end of the day, its still just a friggin TV show."
      Lol. You're right, I was so disappointed with the way
      my favorite show ended and I had to get it off
      my chest.

      Off to work!
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    I was disappointed....There was NO real closure...
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Originally Posted by IM Headlines View Post

    I think it was terrible. They couldn't have picked a worst
    ending

    They didn't explain the numbers, what the island really was,
    what the smoke thing was, how desmond and some other
    fellas had special powers, why the island had special properties
    etc.. etc..

    There was a lot more stuff left unexplained.

    What do you guys think about it?
    It totally sucked. It had some great huggy feely moments, and reunions, but heck, for as great as the first 5 seasons were written, the ending was written by a 6 year old on idiot pills.

    Just my thoughts, and of course, they are right.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Normally I don't like Phillip DeFranco's stuff, but he explained very well in my opinion. If you're the kind of person that needs their hand held and an explanation for everything, then you will not like the way Lost ended...


    Also here's my main question to those that were disappointed with the ending. Did you actually make it to the last episode and think that every unexplained thing was going to be explained in the last 2 hrs? That would have made for the crappiest ending in the history of television.

    This arguing over the ending reminds of the movie Stand By Me when Teddy tries to rewrite the ending to the greatest story ever told...

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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      Also here's my main question to those that were disappointed with the ending. Did you actually make it to the last episode and think that every unexplained thing was going to be explained in the last 2 hrs?
      I don't think all the mysteries needed to be explained and it's better to leave some things as a mystery.

      What I found disappointing was that, during the whole season, it appeared that the "sideways" world was building up to something. And, ultimately, it really wasn't. It basically came down to "It was all a dream." So, any time spent watching the "sideways" events throughout the season and trying to figure out what it meant and so on was ultimately meaningless because none of it really mattered because it wasn't real. It was just an artificial "construct" to prepare them for the next world. If it were something that just happened in the final episode, okay. But not for a whole season.

      I get that if the light had gone out on the island permanently, it would have gone out everywhere else, including their afterlife. So, I get the importance of it. I simply believe it was disappointing that they stretched it out a whole season.

      I thought that the two worlds would merge in a more meaningful and important way. That they would have to come together in both worlds to protect the light/island. Not that they would have to unsink the island in the "sideways" world or something, but that Smokie/MIB/Samuel would have been loose in their world and would need to be stopped some other way in the "sideways" world. That is, he'd have to be stopped in both worlds to save the light/island in one.

      And, in the "sideways" world, when Jack faced his undead father, I was prepared for him to be Smokie/MIB/Samuel and that Jack would have to face him again and stop him there. Instead, for me, they jumped the shark with the revelation that the "sideways" world wasn't real after all.

      The island world story came to a satisfactory conclusion, but the "sideways" world did not. To me, it just felt like they built up the sideways world throughout the season and then dropped the ball when it was revealed that it was essentially all a dream.
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    Ok you guys, let's hear Gordie's version of Lost...

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  • Profile picture of the author drwhogoesthere
    I liked it.

    I think some people are getting wrapped up in the fact that not everything was explained in a nice clean simple way. But that is just how life is.

    Sure I'd like to know how the time travel all fits in. But in the long run it doesn't matter. It made the show interesting.

    I really liked Christians expliantion of how they could all be in the sideways world at once. He siad (and not a direct quote but good enough) "some of them died before you, and some died a long time after you." So the sideways world was a meeting point out of time where they could all come together to move on.

    My only worry is, where is Vincent? Shouldn't he be there as well in the sideways world? Or did he go to doggy heaven?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by drwhogoesthere View Post

      Sure I'd like to know how the time travel all fits in. But in the long run it doesn't matter. It made the show interesting.
      There is certainly a connection between the light on the island and the light they all went into. Jack was told that if the light goes out on the island, it goes out everywhere and everyone would be lost. Given that "there is no now" in that sideways world, it would make sense that, the island being connected to the light, the island would not necessarily share the same fixation in time as everything else. So, time travel for the island isn't difficult considering it is (or at least the light is) both here and there.

      My only worry is, where is Vincent? Shouldn't he be there as well in the sideways world? Or did he go to doggy heaven?
      There is supposed to be an extra on the DVD that will explain what happened to Walt (or Michael, or both?). I would imagine that Vincent's fate might be explained there.

      Or maybe Vincent had already moved forward. Maybe it was easier for him to "let go."
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    I agree with Steven Wagenheim. I thought it was one of the best shows ever produced. The writing, acting, and sets were all phenomenal. And the ending was perfect for the show. Sure there are still questions to be answered, but the overall 'why are they there' and what the island was about was answered, so I'm good with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      I loved the ending, loved the show, but I totally get why some people would be disappointed.
      Just like life, not everything is going to be explained to you. Lots of unexplained stuff happens to everybody all the time, doesn't it?

      I would love it if there was a movie made in the future!

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