An Election Question To Christians?

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This election cycle shows just how little Christians actually practice what they preach. All throughout the history of America you have "Christians" doing ungodly things. For those we have...

Before I ask the question do you as Proverb 3:5 says,
"Trust the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding"

Just this verse alone would suppress all the political rhetoric that's been going back and forth between pundits, the electorates and ticket toppers.

do you actually believe what the Bible says through spiritual discernment not what a preacher has interjected with their own interpretation. (The Word of God says, "Study to show thyself approve...")

So... Here's is a question that should be asked of all Americans that "call" themselves Christians. On November 5th, if your candidate of choice doesn't win will you still trust God?

Here are 3 verses that I think are very important at this time...

As you can see it is God that lifts up leaders. So on November 5th will you accept it or harden your heart?

There is a spirit moving across America like never before that has to shift or this country will destroy itself.

So for all you that "call" yourself Christians wake up and become.

Isiah 26:3 says "Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."

There is nothing that man does that should remove a Christian from this position. One thing most forget to do is pray for our country and leader daily. That's our only responsibilty.

The choice is yours.... Send this to Christian you know
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  • well that was my point that most people go to church, read the bible but never really trust God. Political issues should not be as hateful and divisive as this year has been.
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    • what more do we have to lose than the last or before?
  • I may agree with you, and I may not, but don't tell me what I should and shouldn't believe.
  • lol... hey michael don't believe me those are directly from the bible. i'm just spreading a message that should not just make sense but be discern as truth.
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    • Then no one should be allowed to speak. Whenever anyone speaks it's usually what they think. Different historians interpret history in different ways. Maybe you should tell them to not tell you how to interpret history when they give their version of it. You only have a problem because it's "Bible"

      Believe what you do. What you believe may stay the same or it may change. But it doesn't make a difference because the Father has given His elect to the Messiah, no man can come to the Father except He draw him and people will only see and hear if God gives the person ears to hear and eyes to see.

      I'm not interested in changing your mind and I don't care what you believe. But that's me. I don't know about saybrah but anyone who believes in free will will naturally think they can convince people of things after enough arguing.

      I'm not voting. I don't care who wins. Everything is preordained and God appointing rulers doesn't necessarily mean they belong to Him. They are just swords in His hand to carry out His will. There is no hope for most and few have been chosen.

      God will destroy it sooner or later and the rest of the world. The end is near when everyone says "peace peace"

      I'm not praying for this country or for the leader. All I pray is that God's will be carried out and that He is glorified no matter what happens.

      "Our" responsibility is to bow down to God's will. There are things that prayer won't change and the word "prayer", which was taken from the koine Greek, means to bow to His will. "If it is possible to take this cup from me take it nevertheless THY will be done"

      If God wants war no amount of praying will stop it. If God wants a particular person as president so that they can jack things up further no amount of prayer will stop it. If God wants this country to be more depraved, perverted, backwards and Godless than it already is then no amount of praying will change it.

      Not many mighty will enter into the kingdom of God. All or most presidents, Bill Gates', kings and queens, rulers, etc., are going to hell.

      "Woe unto you when all men speak well of you"

      They don't belong to Him and no amount of prayer will change what God has preordained.

      It makes no sense as a believer to pray for things to stop that the Bible says is going to happen.
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  • But that's what all denominations say, they all claim to quote the Bible, and they all do. But it's also about what you quote and what context you put it into.

    Again, you don't know what I believe one way or the other, but I don't need you to quote the Bible at me and tell me how I should interpret it.

    I really wish the old rule was back sometimes.

    ~Michael
  • Agreed, but the OP isn't saying it's even a matter of what anyone believes, but that it is the authoritative truth and therefore impossible to misinterpret. That's the the problem.

    That's a huge assumption, and about as incorrect as you can be. I don't have a problem that it's the Bible, I have a problem with it because I am being told that this is all the Bible has to say about political situations. The quoted verses are only that, quoted verses. Again, you don't know what I believe.

    I do.

    It has changed over the years. When presented with new information, it only makes sense.

    I may be wrong, but I get the impression that you are implying something about me. You are in no position to judge me, or my beliefs - not only because the Bible says "Judge not, lest ye be judged", BUT also because you still have no idea what I believe - so you don't even have that to base a judgment on.

    No problem. I'm just trying to state my opinion on the issue.

    That is faulty logic. I could also say that it is no use arguing with someone who believes in free will, because I can't control their will. However, I still get the impression that you are making incorrect assumptions about my beliefs. How do I feel about free will? Tell me, I'd really like to hear what I believe as you seem to know.

    ~Michael
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    • Hi, Michael

      What I'm asking is how else would you expect the OP to speak except by their conviction? Does the OP have to come in here and say "Well, this is just my opinion but..." No they don't as far as I am concerned but it is the religious nature of the post that seems to make you require such a prerequisite. If it were some other topic you most likely would not have said the same thing, at least not on most topics. It is specifically the Biblical nature of the OP that caused you to make such a comment.

      It's totally possible that I am wrong, but I would have a hard time believing it, and that's what I've learned from my experience. Playing the odds, I believe I'd be correct.

      I disagree with the OP, but I guess that ultimately what I meant was "What do you expect?"

      Maybe it's because you believe that specifically on this topic no one should be allowed to speak authoritatively about the Bible because to you the Bible is a book that can have different interpretations? I don't know.

      I see no reason why someone should or would compromise and take the tentative route if they have their convictions.

      It would have been one thing had you said "I disagree" rather than "Don't tell me what to believe or not"

      Besides, it's not like they are right in front of your face invading your space and you can't get away. It's on a message board.

      Maybe it's just me but I don't see what the OP did to get your response. Besides, it's really the most unimportant part of my post.

      Yea, you are wrong.

      The Bible DOES say to judge and to judge righteously. The don't judge me argument is usually a cop out and really old. It's always judging when someone doesn't like it. Nobody likes it but we do it all the time anyway even those who say to not judge.

      But as far as not being in a position to judge, that's true, but then again you think I'm passing judgment so it would make sense that you would think that. And judging is according to God's Word.

      And anyway that's moot because, no, while I don't know what you believe and I was not "judging" you whatever that means to you or whatever you thought it was, just by you saying "Don't tell me what I should believe or what I shouldn't" when it didn't make much sense to me and just the nature of where you're coming from with all this, I would say that while I don't know specifically what you believe, I'm pretty sure it isn't what I believe and while I don't know everything and I can definitely be wrong about things, I believe that the crux of what I believe is the Truth and so if it's different then it's wrong because I won't compromise what I'm really convicted about.

      You say it's faulty logic because you are going by your understanding.

      No, it is not faulty logic, not for a believer. Because the reason for not consistently arguing as if I could change someone's mind is because I believe God has preordained and predestinated His people. In this case those who do not have eyes to see and ears to hear will not see nor hear. Therefore, arguing is totally in vain and so not consistently arguing things is what makes sense.

      The Bible also talks about telling a person the truth twice, and after that if they don't want the truth then to discontinue and have nothing to do with them. I don't have the verse memorized, but if it comes back to me I'll post it. But you should be able to find it with a search because it is there.

      How am I supposed to know. That free will comment was actually about the OP.

      You seem to be doing some assuming of your own.

      Anyway, you can take it or leave it. Like I said if anything strikes a chord then go with it and if it doesn't then it doesn't. God deals with the hearts, or He doesn't.

      Take it easy.

      PS. This may or may not interest you (including the videos in my sig)

      http://www.graceandtruth.net/
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  • This question is only valid if you belive that God is running this world. That he is actually concerned who wins and who looses. Every country has prayed to their God before going to war, but does God sustain war in any way? Religion has no deeper meaning these days, pretty much same as politics and then we think that God is resposible...
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  • Not everyone thinks God is responsible for the bad things that happen in the world.

    ~Michael
  • Thanks Kay,

    I think you just put it more eloquently than I did.

    That was my problem from the beginning. There is the idea of being told what I should believe. First of all, that's up to me. And second, it implies that I don't believe it in the first place (which I might).

    ~Michael

    p.s. Where were you when I made the above responses???
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    • That has nothing to do with me. Why the grudge? Why try to get me in the middle.

      Just sayin' is all.

      ~Michael
  • I think the that trust in GOD is never deterred but trust in man is. If the people elect a "bad" president, then it would be like the people selecting a bad king in the bible. Humans have to learn on their own and from their own mistakes.
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    • My bad - I was actually working! ...or trying to - it's so beautiful outside today that I think I'll give it up till tonight or tomorrow.


      No, Allen, I was dissing a veteran appointing himself to speak for Iraq veterans when he refused to go to Iraq himself. As I said there, I have nothing but respect for those who serve.
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