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Is Obama an American???

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Might this video change the election.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Wouldn't you think that it would be time for people to notice that 1. he has his own flag 2. his funding is coming in from foreign sources 3. he won't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegance ----and here we come with the BIG indication that he should not be elected --------He is an Attorney and as such it is illegal for him to hold ANY offices. So now lets see people stretch and yawn and start wondering why we have lawyers in political positions that it is against constitutional law for them to hold.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Wouldn't you think that it would be time for people to notice that 1. he has his own flag
      Huh? Don't tell me. You're not talking about the Ohio flag are you? LOL. That was a funny gaffe from a couple days ago. Someone thought Obama made his own flag, but it was the Ohio state flag! I didn't think you would fall for it. Hmm. Or actually...

      2. his funding is coming in from foreign sources
      Well, no. The majority comes from his millions of supporters. You know, like you dream about Ron Paul having. That many.

      3. he won't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegance
      Wrong, there are plenty of videos of him doing just this. This is urban legend stuff.

      ----and here we come with the BIG indication that he should not be elected --------He is an Attorney and as such it is illegal for him to hold ANY offices. So now lets see people stretch and yawn and start wondering why we have lawyers in political positions that it is against constitutional law for them to hold.
      LOL. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Tim,

        I'll LOL with you on that one! Must have run out of rumors - now they're being recycled!

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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Huh? Don't tell me. You're not talking about the Ohio flag are you? LOL. That was a funny gaffe from a couple days ago. Someone thought Obama made his own flag, but it was the Ohio state flag! I didn't think you would fall for it. Hmm. Or actually...
        No I am talking about the stripes with the sun over them and the blue sky in the background. That is NOT the Ohio flag. If there is a video - I haven't seen it. I did see where he took the American flag off his airplane - but I don't know what he put on that. Perhaps I missed something the rest of you saw and heard more about. I'll concede this one until I find out more.


        Well, no. The majority comes from his millions of supporters. You know, like you dream about Ron Paul having. That many.
        Yes I'm sure it does - unfortunately - many of his supporters seem to be overseas. There are investigations running so why don't you mossie off and tell the FBI all about it. I'm sure they will be greatly comforted.


        Wrong, there are plenty of videos of him doing just this. This is urban legend stuff.
        And I have seen pictures in which he wasn't and happened to be the only one in the crowd not doing so.

        [QUOTE}LOL. :-)[/QUOTE]
        I'm sorry, I don't see the humor in people holding offices against the dictates of constitutional law. Those laws were instated for a reason. So what makes it okay for our politicians to violate that law? What makes us stupid enough to elect people who are starting their careers violating our constitutional laws. Laugh hard now - because you won't be getting the last one.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      ----He is an Attorney and as such it is illegal for him to hold ANY offices. So now lets see people stretch and yawn and start wondering why we have lawyers in political positions that it is against constitutional law for them to hold.
      I didn't know it was illegal for attorneys to hold public office? I would think they would make excellent candidates. They understand how the legal system works.

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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    That video has been thourghly debunked by EVERYONE.
    Sal, where are you getting that crap from? I never thought
    you were creative enough to make all that up by yourself. It
    must be really hard to be you. Its a lot easier to be just plain
    nuts. You could just live in your own little world all the time.

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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    ROTFLMAO!

    Are you trying to change the election? Those were some nice rim shots, but you still missed the basket. McCain is also tearing down the fabric of democracy. He disgraced the US and showed where his loyalties really lie when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton.

    I guess we are just going to have to decide the next President based on issues, and put aside this hilarious labeling.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Here's a video about the Obama "flag" gaffe by a conservative talk show host. Besides this I have only seen a "logo" which as far as I know is ok for a candidate to have.


      Umm, not sure why I should post this, but here you go anyways. Obama pledging allegiance with his hand over his heart.

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Here is what I was saying, Tim.
        Obama objects to Pledge of Allegence So he just flip flops on this issue?
        Obama rejects flag pin.

        So I found that the plane/flag thing was on snopes - yes he had his own
        flag painted on his plane, but apparently that is not unusual procedure. I didn't know
        that one and was extremely offended, but see other candidates have done the same.
        I still don't feel better about this guy. I'm sorry - I don't trust this dude as
        far as I can throw him.
        snopes.com: Barack Obama's Campaign Plane

        Now I suppose if you all can't deal with constitutional law stating that lawyers can't hold congress and senate seats etc - but I'll hunt it down if you can't figure out how.

        As far as campaign funds -- go tell the people at the Wall Street Journal,
        CNS News, and the FEC how exactly stupid or crazy they are. They are the ones who did the research on this one.
        GOP Wants Audit of Obama Funds - WSJ.com
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Here is what I was saying, Tim.
          Obama objects to Pledge of Allegence So he just flip flops on this issue?
          YouTube - Obama Obects to Pledge for Religious Reasons
          Obama rejects flag pin.
          YouTube - Obama Stops Wearing American Flag Pin
          The first video is of horrible quality. Do you see Obama in it? If you believe so... I really can't say who is in the video...

          And the second video - not wearing the pin, it is simple and actually he's got a great reason not to wear it. He explained it here:

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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Here is what I was saying, Tim.
          Obama objects to Pledge of Allegence So he just flip flops on this issue?
          YouTube - Obama Obects to Pledge for Religious Reasons
          Obama rejects flag pin.
          YouTube - Obama Stops Wearing American Flag Pin

          So I found that the plane/flag thing was on snopes - yes he had his own
          flag painted on his plane, but apparently that is not unusual procedure. I didn't know
          that one and was extremely offended, but see other candidates have done the same.
          I still don't feel better about this guy. I'm sorry - I don't trust this dude as
          far as I can throw him.
          snopes.com: Barack Obama's Campaign Plane

          Now I suppose if you all can't deal with constitutional law stating that lawyers can't hold congress and senate seats etc - but I'll hunt it down if you can't figure out how.

          As far as campaign funds -- go tell the people at the Wall Street Journal,
          CNS News, and the FEC how exactly stupid or crazy they are. They are the ones who did the research on this one.
          GOP Wants Audit of Obama Funds - WSJ.com
          That top picture has been proven over and over again to have been photoshopped.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            I just picked one out of the bunch because I don't have an audio card right now so can't listen to them. I don't remember which the good one was there were so many.

            Yes there is a lot of BS flying around....but there is a lot that isn't BS, too. I am saying when everything I have seen and heard, disinformation and information from all factions (even from the candidates themselves) is put together, I think our country is lost if either of these two get in. You can laugh now if you want -- but will you be able to laugh a few years down the line? Some seem to think so........I am betting they also thought Bush wasn't such a bad guy.

            I have to look up where it says that Lawyers can't sit in congress. I learned that in Political science, not on a website, but now I have to see what was up with that again.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      ROTFLMAO!

      Are you trying to change the election? Those were some nice rim shots, but you still missed the basket. McCain is also tearing down the fabric of democracy. He disgraced the US and showed where his loyalties really lie when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton.

      I guess we are just going to have to decide the next President based on issues, and put aside this hilarious labeling.
      Why yes, Paul. Yes I am.

      Now - I didn't talk about McCain simply because he wasn't the subject. LOL.

      Frankly I am for CHANGE, too, ya know - and that leaves out both McCain and Obama -
      because my plan for change would be to ditch the present democracy, ditch the coming socialism/fascism, and kick the fed to the curb, then take back our REPUBLIC.
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      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      ROTFLMAO!

      He disgraced the US and showed where his loyalties really lie when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton.
      I think that was way out of order

      There is no way ANYBODY could know how they would react under torture.

      now (unless you got MOH for single-handidly taking down some columbian drug lord and his private army) i would suggest you shut up
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        ROTFLMAO!

        He (McCain) disgraced the US and showed where his loyalties really lie when he was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton.

        Originally Posted by dean mcevoy View Post

        I think that was way out of order
        There is no way ANYBODY could know how they would react under torture.
        now (unless you got MOH for single-handidly taking down some columbian drug lord and his private army) i would suggest you shut up
        How could that be out of order? All I was doing was making a true statement, and making a valid vitriolic contribution for fairness and balance. If you want to shut me up, you're just going to have to come over here and make me, along with about 300 million others. It appears we haven't ever been taught any "manners" when it comes to politics or humor.
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        • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
          A friend sent me this a couple of days ago.


          ---------- Forwarded message ----------
          From: Tom H.
          Date: Oct 22, 2008 1:03 PM
          Subject: Born In Kenya?


          Philip Berg has sued Obama, claiming Obama wasn't born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as president.

          All Obama needs to do to make Berg go away is produce a birth certificate. It's very simple. It's easy to do.

          Obama has not presented a birth certificate to the Court.

          Why not?



          Wednesday, October 22, 2008
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          Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
          Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate
          Posted: October 21, 2008
          9:22 pm Eastern

          By Drew Zahn
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          Philip J. Berg

          Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama present proof of his American citizenship, now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

          The full article:
          Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            Originally Posted by pcalvert View Post

            A friend sent me this a couple of days ago.
            Did he mention that Philip Berg is a wacko idiot?
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            • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              Did he mention that Philip Berg is a wacko idiot?
              No, he didn't. Even if Philip Berg is, as you say, a "wacko idiot?", it doesn't change the facts of the case. If Obama has a valid U.S. birth certificate, it should have been presented to the court. Not to do so was just plain stupid, as it gave Berg more ammunition and enabled him to get even more attention. On the other hand, if Obama doesn't have a valid U.S. birth certificate, then his legal strategy makes perfect sense.

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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Originally Posted by pcalvert View Post

                No, he didn't. Even if Philip Berg is, as you say, a "wacko idiot?", it doesn't change the facts of the case.
                Phil
                Those aren't the facts. This story is like 8 months old. It's dumb. It's false. It's ridiculous. :-)
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                  OK, you caught us. He's not American. He's Japanese. We are invading your country again. This time you will be conquered and all will eat Sushi every Friday.
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                • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  Those aren't the facts. This story is like 8 months old.
                  You are mistaken. The article is very recent, and provides new information related to the lawsuit.

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        • Profile picture of the author dean mcevoy
          how can you possibly take the acthions of a man under the extreame duress of torture and think those acthions represent his true belifs?

          Originally Posted by myob View Post


          If you want to shut me up, you're just going to have to come over here and make me, along with about 300 million others.
          what, like the viet cong did?
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by dean mcevoy View Post

            what, like the viet cong did?
            If you think you're big and bad enough to shut me up bring it on! Your life expectancy - 2 secs. I also fought for the right to say whatever I want. Just as others are demonstrating that right in this thread, and something you obviously will never understand. But over 300 million Americans do.
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    ROFL!
    Im with Tim on this one
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I don't really understand the logic of it myself, Dot. I am sure the people that wrote the laws did, however. I might have even learned it at one time and just forgotten the reasons. For some reason that law has been neglected for some time now -we have lawyers in office. We also weren't set up to have career politicians either, though, so maybe the original thought was that it would give law professionals unfair advantages over the other members of congress? If anyone has the answer I'd sure like to hear it. If someone else doesn't come up with the answer I'll probably end up searching it out and I don't feel like it, LOL. It drove me nuts looking for that stupid flag that Bama put on his plane, hahahaha. But I did find the stink about the "communist" flag in his office that everyone here thought I was referring to. My political philosophy proffesor had a picture of Fredrick Nietzsche on his wall. Now that's scary. LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I don't really understand the logic of it myself, Dot. I am sure the people that wrote the laws did, however. I might have even learned it at one time and just forgotten the reasons. For some reason that law has been neglected for some time now -we have lawyers in office. We also weren't set up to have career politicians either, though, so maybe the original thought was that it would give law professionals unfair advantages over the other members of congress? If anyone has the answer I'd sure like to hear it. If someone else doesn't come up with the answer I'll probably end up searching it out and I don't feel like it, LOL. It drove me nuts looking for that stupid flag that Bama put on his plane, hahahaha. But I did find the stink about the "communist" flag in his office that everyone here thought I was referring to. My political philosophy proffesor had a picture of Fredrick Nietzsche on his wall. Now that's scary. LOL.
      Sal, wasn't John Quincy Adams an attorney? Abraham Lincoln? I'm going to have to look that one up. I'll post the text of the law when I find it.

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  • Profile picture of the author NetVenturer
    Presidents who were lawyers:
    John Adams - 2nd president
    James Madison - 4th president
    James Monroe - 5th president
    John Quincy Adams - 6th president
    Andrew Jackson - 7th president
    Martin Van Buren - 8th president
    John Tyler - 10th president
    James K. Polk - 11th president
    Millard Fillmore - 13th president
    Franklin Pierce - 14th president
    James Buchanan - 15th president
    Abraham Lincoln - 16th president
    Rutherford Hayes - 19th president
    Chester Arthur - 21st president
    Grover Cleveland - 22nd and 24th president
    Benjamin Harrison - 23rd president
    William McKinley - 25th president
    William Taft - 27th president
    Woodrow Wilson - 28th president
    Calvin Coolidge - 30th president
    Franklin Roosevelt - 32nd president
    Richard Nixon - 37th president
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    Article II of the Constitution states:
    "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."
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      Originally Posted by NetVenturer View Post

      Article II of the Constitution states:
      "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."
      Thank you sir for stating the facts that I wish 100% America knew. Unfortunately my faith in America is lost as I read the stories about this election. Here is a quick example of why:

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    • Profile picture of the author CWreports
      hmmm. I hadn't read this lately.

      But according to what it states, no one qualifes.
      The constitution was adopted in 1787 and you had
      to be a citizen AT the time of the adoption of this constitution.

      Appears to me anyone running now is automatically disqualified.


      Don't slam me....but isn't that what it says?

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      Originally Posted by NetVenturer View Post

      Article II of the Constitution states:
      "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."
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      • Profile picture of the author KimW
        Originally Posted by CWreports View Post

        hmmm. I hadn't read this lately.

        But according to what it states, no one qualifes.
        The constitution was adopted in 1787 and you had
        to be a citizen AT the time of the adoption of this constitution.

        Appears to me anyone running now is automatically disqualified.


        Don't slam me....but isn't that what it says?

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        Nope.thats not what it means. Reread it.
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        Originally Posted by CWreports View Post

        hmmm. I hadn't read this lately.

        But according to what it states, no one qualifes.
        The constitution was adopted in 1787 and you had
        to be a citizen AT the time of the adoption of this constitution.

        Appears to me anyone running now is automatically disqualified.


        Don't slam me....but isn't that what it says?

        Carol
        No, what it's saying is you have to be a natural born citizen, except for those back then who were citizens. So it's basically saying from this point further you have to be a natural born citizen. The ones who were citizens at the time were "grandfathered" into being eligible, so to speak.
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    all leaders are same, they don't want peace in the world
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Allen
      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      It makes me laugh when I read these posts because of the shear number of you guys who actually think Obama or McCain give a crap about any of you.
      Regardless of what any of you think, this is by far the most intelligent statement related to the election that I've read here or anywhere else. (by the way, shear is actually spelled sheer!)
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        It's not about what they care about. If they care about me. It's what their positions are. Pretty simple really. Most don't vote thinking the candidate really cares about them. Come on. Get real guys. :-)

        Originally Posted by Dave Allen View Post

        Regardless of what any of you think, this is by far the most intelligent statement related to the election that I've read here or anywhere else. (by the way, shear is actually spelled sheer!)
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    This is not the first time I've seen this video.
    The ignorance of these people is amazing.
    I see the segments on the tonight show called Jaywalking where he supposedly asks people off the street simple questions and he gets outrageous answers. For a long time I thought it was a skit, made up.
    These people reinforce how stupid some Americans really are.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      I believe during all three debates Obama wore a flag pin and McCain didn't. That's because McCain is a one man communist sleeper cell. Ever seen Manchurian candidate? Scarey stuff. LOL.

      By the way, that photo of Obama without his hand over his heart is real. Big deal. He just didn't do it that time. There's also many examples where he did during the national anthem.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Tim, If you're talking aboout the top photo, it is not real. I saw where it was disected and point by point showed how it it photoshopped from the position of the people to the way the flag is. It is a very convincing picture but it is still faked.
    If need be I will try to find the link to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      The photo with Obama, Richardson and Clinton? It's real, because there's videos of the national anthem. Big deal though. These are the issues people who want to start a third party are interested in?
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Of course Obama is American. :rolleyes: What, his name isn't "English" enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      Of course Obama is American. :rolleyes: What, his name isn't "English" enough?
      Ah screw it... I can't keep it a secret anymore: He's not American. He's obviously Irish.

      Obama = O'Bama

      See...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    For those interested in facts, by the non-partisan FactCheck.org on Obama's birth certificate:
    FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
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    Born In The USA? Is this the music thread? Are we playing Bruce now?
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  • Profile picture of the author mbealmear
    Obama IS American and always has and always will be.
    All this speculation about "taking the flag off his plane", yes he did take off the flag that was already there BUT replaced it with one that was....get this....bigger!
    If need be I can prove with pictures that infact ARE NOT photo shop pics.
    Obama is going to make a GREAT president of the USA!
    I cannot wait until he is elected!
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