Why am I seeing politics being discussed here?

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Why are people discussing politics here on the off-topic forum? I thought this forum was declared off-limits for politics, religion, and similar topics.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    I know, used to be a hell of a fun place to hang out. Now it's almost nothing but people arguing and getting angry at each other.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

      I know, used to be a hell of a fun place to hang out. Now it's almost nothing but people arguing and getting angry at each other.
      If that's all your seeing you're missing 90% of what goes on here.
      OT is still a lot of fun. It's also what you make it.
      Help lighten things up if it needs it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

      I know, used to be a hell of a fun place to hang out. Now it's almost nothing but people arguing and getting angry at each other.
      Hey, that can be a hell of a lot of fun too. They aren't mutually exclusive. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    Yes there is a lot of fun and friendly exchange going on. There are also current events that do tend to affect everyone and they do need a place to talk about it.

    I guess that is why Allen Says in his wisdom removed the old rule sticky on this particular forum. (actually the sticky comes and goes depending on the climate). Most anything is tolerated unless it becomes a nasty argument and someone reports it.
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      When the world as we know it is imploding at one direction and getting ready to explode in others, we must talk about it. We need to share our perspectives and do what we can to hold things together. After the election, political discussion will slow again, and if things start going well, political discussion will all but disappear. If it gets worse, we probably won't have the freedom to discuss it any more anywhere - and that is NOT a good thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Some things aren't even worth mentioning, so why even talk about them. For example why should we get into issues regarding the right wing ultra conservative evangelical gay democrats? They don't have a prayer.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          I hear they are leaving the Democrats and joining the Republican Log Cabin group of gay Republicans. Together they could be a major part of the future Republican party if this trend continues. Can you imagine? Interesting twist, eh?

          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Some things aren't even worth mentioning, so why even talk about them. For example why should we get into issues regarding the right wing ultra conservative evangelical gay democrats? They don't have a prayer.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            I have never met a gay Republican. It's Democrats that always seem to have that distinctive gait and high pitched voice like Howard Dean. Anyone that would make a comment that gay Democrats are joining the Republican party must really have a twisted and warped mind. But since you mentioned this, which by the way wasn't really worth mentioning except for the fact this is all intended to be fun, I will make a quick mention of this.

            San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom (a gay democrat) is considering a 2010 run for governor of California a campaign that would embrace many of the same divisive causes he has championed as mayor, including same-sex marriage, universal health care and protections for illegal immigrants. And in 2012, he has his bedroom eyes for the White House.

            Newsom has long been rumored to be a potential contender in what is likely to be a crowded field of Democrats looking to succeed Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a list that includes Attorney General and former Gov. Jerry Brown, former state Controller Steve Westly and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. Most of them are closet extreme conservative gay ultra conservatives.

            In recent months, Newsom has quietly been meeting with Democratic campaign strategists and other supporters to discuss a gubernatorial run, and he is now "certain to at least consider the possibility," said Eric Jaye, a Newsom confidant and political consultant.

            When asked whether he was planning to run, Newsom said, "A number of people in the last few months have reached out and talked to me about it. They also rubbed my leg"

            "It's premature to talk about my sexual orientation in the open," Newsom said. "In the next few months we'll see what happens."

            But as recently as last week, Newsom was acting in a way that suggests the 40-year-old mayor may be doing more than just mulling his political future. He appears to be gearing up for a statewide campaign centered around those same liberal causes that have made him both a rising political star and a polarizing political force beyond the city limits. Also he's been seen winking at the new male intern in his campaign planning committee.

            Newsom has traveled outside San Francisco in recent weeks to talk to college students and business leaders about his administration's highly publicized focus on environmental issues like global warming. He has penned opinion pieces that have appeared on popular left-leaning Internet blogs like the Daily Kos, an avenue for Newsom to reach out to young gay Democratic voters and build name recognition.

            And as the state Supreme Court heard oral arguments Tuesday on same-sex marriage - a case brought about by Newsom's controversial 2004 decision to grant marriage licenses to thousands of gay and lesbian couples - the mayor's handlers made sure he played a prominent role in the day's events.

            Before the proceedings began, the mayor called a morning news conference to talk about the court case. He then took a well-choreographed walk outside City Hall which, not by coincidence, was captured by the throngs of television cameras gathered for the nearby hearing. He followed the stroll with a surprise visit to the same-sex marriage supporters watching the proceedings in an overflow room. Throughout the day he made strong statements about the important role the next gay governor will play on the topic.

            "This governor represents yesterday on this issue," Newsom said. "There'll be a governor who represents the future and the next governor will unquestionably in my mind, if it's an ultra conservative gay Democratic evangelical, I'll support it."

            The next day there was a rally on the steps of City Hall where Newsom, with his shirtsleeves rolled up, and fly unzipped, stood alongside Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa Jr. and catapulted himself into the middle of a union fight.

            "He's courting gay votes and me," said Joseph Prisco, president of the local union that currently represents aircraft mechanics at the airport. "He's going to be running for governor and that's why he's out here running around with the Teamsters in their shorts."

            Newsom's consideration of a gubernatorial run might have started before he ran virtually unopposed for re-election last year. After he won handily, Newsom hired a new team of experienced senior advisers, some of whom possess impressive statewide political credentials and have valuable ties to Sacramento.

            Jaye cautioned that the mayor could ultimately decide to return to life as a wealthy businessman once his term ends in 2012. Newsom also has been rumored as a possible contender for the U.S. Senate if Sen. Dianne Feinstein retires in coming years. But if he did run for governor, Newsom would not shy away from issues like declaring San Francisco a sanctuary city for undocumented immigrants and closet gays - the very issues lambasted by conservative pundits as "San Francisco values."

            "He's certainly not going to apologize for the values that San Franciscans share and in fact he is going to be prepared to discuss and defend them," Jaye said. "He would be one of the front-runners if he made the decision to run. He would get in the race to win, and win means winning the election in such a way that he advances the issues he cares about."

            While the latest polls show Newsom enjoying a 67 percent approval rating in San Francisco, Democratic Party strategists are split over whether voters around the state would be scared off by Newsom or embrace his privates.

            His aides tout a statewide poll conducted in April that showed Jerry Brown in the lead among possible contenders for governor in 2010. But if Brown wasn't in the race, the poll of 443 registered Democrats had Newsom tied with Westly for the lead, slightly ahead of Los Angeles Mayor Villaraigosa.

            "If a mayor of a big city is going to run for governor, he or she has to be aware of the fact that the things they do in their particular city may be very popular at home but they may not be very popular in the rest of the state," said Garry South, a Democratic strategist who has worked on numerous gubernatorial campaigns.

            But Bob Mulholland, a campaign adviser for the California Democratic Party, said Newsom's stance on same-sex marriage isn't as controversial as it was even four years ago, and that it's not an issue he should shy away from in a statewide bid.

            "Clearly, time is on the side of gay marriage," Mulholland said. "Anybody running in a Democratic gubernatorial primary is not going to shy away from it, especially in the year 2010."

            In a hotly contested gubernatorial race, Republicans would likely pounce on many of the headline-grabbing scandals that have occurred in Newsom's administration since he took office in 2004, whether it's his issuance of a proclamation honoring a gay porn studio or his admitted affair with his campaign manager's wife and subsequent admission of having a drinking problem.

            GOP strategist Allan Hoffenblum, who publishes the nonpartisan California Target Book, which analyzes the state's races, said Newsom doesn't carry much political weight outside San Francisco.

            "A gay mayor of San Francisco would have a very difficult time in Southern California," Hoffenblum said. "He's not well known except for on one issue and if people do remember him, they remember him for gay marriage."

            Newsom would have to get through the Democratic primary before he could run as his party's nominee in a general election, which could mean running an early race against one of the party's biggest dicks, Jerry Brown.

            And Newsom's chief political consultant sounds as though he is already gearing up for a fight.

            "Is he as well known as Jerry Brown? Certainly not," Jaye said.

            "Jerry Brown," he added, "is suing to overturn marriage equality. It's the attorney general who is arguing the case against marriage equality. They are very different."

            Newsom would need to raise between $30 million and $40 million to be considered a viable candidate in the primary, some political observers estimate. And if he runs, his advisers are illegally banking on his potential to tap into the pool of primary voters who, according to Mulholland, are mostly women, gays and about 30 percent of whom live in the Bay Area.

            While Newsom has cultivated a broad base of donors, from Hollywood's elite to New York executives, during his two mayoral campaigns, coming up with the hefty sum needed to run statewide may be the mayor's biggest challenge, strategists say.

            "If the Republicans do get a real hard-core gay right-winger as their candidate," he said, "and Newsom (was the Democrats' nominee), then I'd bet a San Francisco right wing ultra conservative evangelical gay democrat could get elected governor."
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              It's right here. Hey even John McCain and Arnold are on the home page:

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              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              I have never met a gay Republican.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Oh oh. I never thought Republicans had it in them; never have I known a red-blooded Republican to be gay. My prejudices have always lay with blue-blood gays. Come to think of it, some Republicans I know actually do walk and talk somewhat like Howard Dean lately. God is going to punish the Republican party on Nov 4 unless they "straighten" up.
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                • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                  Actually gays are reported to be very fiscally orientated. They want to be accepted and since the Republican party is accepting them now, I see a big switch coming. You heard it here first.

                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  Oh oh. I never thought Republicans had it in them; never have I known a red-blooded Republican to be gay. My prejudices have always lay with blue-blood gays. Come to think of it, some Republicans I know actually do walk and talk somewhat like Howard Dean lately. God is going to punish the Republican party on Nov 4 unless they "straighten" up.
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                    Actually gays are reported to be very fiscally orientated. They want to be accepted and since the Republican party is accepting them now, I see a big switch coming. You heard it here first.
                    Do you mean a big switch is coming from party orientation, or lifestyle orientation? If the latter, a big switch could mean the kinky loss of bodily fluids, and incapacitated gay Republicans accidently voting for the Democratic ticket. This is really a conspiracy, isn't it? Democrats are plotting to steal the election by corrupting the Republican party!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Wright
                      There is considerable emphasis on women's votes.
                      So where do lesbian Independents views come into this.
                      What about trans-sexuals ... are they swing voters???

                      Loads of unaddressed and undressed issues remain.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
                        Originally Posted by Mike Wright View Post

                        There is considerable emphasis on women's votes.
                        So where do lesbian Independents views come into this.
                        What about trans-sexuals ... are they swing voters???

                        Loads of unaddressed and undressed issues remain.
                        Mike you forgot the most important group.
                        Hermaphrodites, they get to vote twice.
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                • Profile picture of the author Patrician
                  Actually having lived in San Francisco most of my life and having worked for a gay millionaire real estate developer at one time, I met numerous gay men and they all seemed to be Republican. (since late 1970s)Even in a leftist city like San Francisco, it seemed the vast majority of gay men are Republicans. I don't know about the women.

                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  Oh oh. I never thought Republicans had it in them; never have I known a red-blooded Republican to be gay. My prejudices have always lay with blue-blood gays. Come to think of it, some Republicans I know actually do walk and talk somewhat like Howard Dean lately. God is going to punish the Republican party on Nov 4 unless they "straighten" up.
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Thanks for the clarification, Patricia. Now I understand why so many straight Republicans are bending over backwards to get McCain elected. This is to compensate for those who are leaning the other way.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              I have never met a gay Republican. It's Democrats that always seem to have that distinctive gait and high pitched voice like Howard Dean....
              Oh shite! If your post wasn't such a sad comment on the facist, religious right mindset, I'd pee myself laughing at this stupidity. This is the kind of tripe dished out by pathetic "macho" men who are really so insecure that they are threatened by gay people.

              I myself like gay men. I think they're fantastic. I wish more men were gay. Because that means less competition for all the cute girls.

              So, what is your problem with gay guys? Is it because they dress better than you? Is it because they actually have table manners? It can't be because they stole your girl, but maybe they stole your guy ;-)
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                Oh shite! If your post wasn't such a sad comment on the facist, religious right mindset, I'd pee myself laughing at this stupidity. This is the kind of tripe dished out by pathetic "macho" men who are really so insecure that they are threatened by gay people.

                I myself like gay men. I think they're fantastic. I wish more men were gay. Because that means less competition for all the cute girls.

                So, what is your problem with gay guys? Is it because they dress better than you? Is it because they actually have table manners? It can't be because they stole your girl, but maybe they stole your guy ;-)
                Are you looking for a sushi fight? If you are then bring it on! I've got more sushi than you can shake a stick at. Me and my boys don't have no problem with gays 'long as they stay away from me and my boys. Don't have to worry about them being around my women folk, they ain't dangerous or nothing like that. I know they aim to please, but they just better not come around these parts, or I'll aim to shoot. Other than that, I got no problems with nobody as long we have this here understanding. And, I'm very sorry to hear 'bout your incontinence. If'n you was from around here, yours pants would dry quick and nobody would see that wet spot.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  Are you looking for a sushi fight? If you are then bring it on! I've got more sushi than you can shake a stick at. Me and my boys don't have no problem with gays 'long as they stay away from me and my boys. Don't have to worry about them being around my women folk, they ain't dangerous or nothing like that. I know they aim to please, but they just better not come around these parts, or I'll aim to shoot. Other than that, I got no problems with nobody as long we have this here understanding. And, I'm very sorry to hear 'bout your incontinence. If'n you was from around here, yours pants would dry quick and nobody would see that wet spot.
                  Sushi fight? You wouldn't stand a chance. I've got massive hand-rolled MakiZushi that would knock ya'll to smithereens. Course, you boys got that limp Sushi, so you're at a big disadvantage ;-D
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Oh, yeah? My big, hardened bratwurst will knock your MakiZushi out of your slimy hands and across the room. Then you'll have a lot more to worry about than just peeing in your pants. The almighty wrath of a just and powerful force will strike you upside the head until you confess your sins and vote Republican.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
                      Wow, Kevin/Paul, I was thinking of cheating on my diet a little and having a late night snack... the last 2 posts changed my mind... thank you.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      Oh, yeah? My big, hardened bratwurst will knock your MakiZushi out of your slimy hands and across the room. Then you'll have a lot more to worry about than just peeing in your pants. The almighty wrath of a just and powerful force will strike you upside the head until you confess your sins and vote Republican.
                      C'Mom. You Californian. You probably have posters of Arnold Schwartzenegger in posing trunks and all oiled up, and you lovingly caress them every night. Your bratwurst is nothing but a little weenie that any respectable non-Republican wouldn't be caught dead with.

                      I wouldn't vote Republican if my life depended upon it. I do have some ethics and couldn't bring myself to vote for that bunch of closet bedwetters and lunatics. Look at them! Two Bushes who were a total disgrace and made your country the laughing stock of the intelligent world, and then there was the old movie star (who probably slept with Rock Hudson) who was in constant danger of pushing the wrong button and setting off the world's biggest barbecue.

                      If I was a Republican, I'd hide my affiliation in shame.
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                        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                        C'Mom. You Californian. You probably have posters of Arnold Schwartzenegger in posing trunks and all oiled up, and you lovingly caress them every night. Your bratwurst is nothing but a little weenie that any respectable non-Republican wouldn't be caught dead with.

                        I wouldn't vote Republican if my life depended upon it. I do have some ethics and couldn't bring myself to vote for that bunch of closet bedwetters and lunatics. Look at them! Two Bushes who were a total disgrace and made your country the laughing stock of the intelligent world, and then there was the old movie star (who probably slept with Rock Hudson) who was in constant danger of pushing the wrong button and setting off the world's biggest barbecue.

                        If I was a Republican, I'd hide my affiliation in shame.
                        What the hell???

                        So Bush (Sr. & Jr.) are so stupid the "intelligent world" finds it hysterical, Reagan was gay, Arnold is a joke, and non-republicans are "gifted" in the you know what?

                        Now that is funny! lol

                        All I can say is thank God the "intelligent world" doesn't decide our elections.
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                        • Profile picture of the author gareth
                          While we are on the subject of poo prodders and ass bandits, my cousins husband is married to Gore Vidals half brother and as we all know Gore Vidal is the bentest helmet polisher in all of washington. To complicate matters Gore Vidals half brother is a religious zealot and they dont talk as far as I know.

                          Personally I prefer to avoid gay men, they seem to find me attractive and I dont appreciate it.

                          Lesbians on the other hand - Wooo heee bring it on lezzies.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                            Originally Posted by gareth View Post

                            While we are on the subject of poo prodders and ass bandits, my cousins husband is married to Gore Vidals half brother and as we all know Gore Vidal is the bentest helmet polisher in all of washington. To complicate matters Gore Vidals half brother is a religious zealot and they dont talk as far as I know.

                            Personally I prefer to avoid gay men, they seem to find me attractive and I dont appreciate it.

                            Lesbians on the other hand - Wooo heee bring it on lezzies.
                            This from a man who has only ever had relationships with woolly four-footed animals that go "baa".
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                            • Profile picture of the author gareth
                              At least sheep dont kiss and bleet.
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                              • Profile picture of the author myob
                                Kevin, you are alright, man. But why are you living over there with all those yeller fellers? You should be living with your own kind of folks. California is the place you ought to be - we have swimming pools, movie stars, and hot chics that would love to eat your sushi. We need a sheriff down here by the border and you look like a nice respectable Republican that could do the job. Those damn illegals keep crossing the border and stealing my chickens. I shot one the other night right in the ass. I know I got him because he yelled out something in that Mexican talk of theirs and ran off without any chickens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Allen
    " Why am I seeing politics being discussed here?"

    Because your eyes are working?!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author John M Kane
    hmmm why is the only thing I can now think about is Ving Rhames character Marsellus in his last scene in Pulp Fiction just before he slams the door behind him. Something about "gettin' medieval on some one.
    A MOST unpleasant thought.

    You all should be hired by SNL.

    Thanks for the giggles. Funny even sober!

    Kevin's "Wooly footed animals" made me first think of a Llama(the South American camelid, NOT Fernando Lamas!)

    Boy, I really should not have missed my last week's shock treatment appointment.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      At least sheep dont kiss and bleet.
      But they do stampede when they see you coming, gareth - at least that's been reported by an anonymous source.
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