11 Russian Spys Charged...

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After years of F.B.I. surveillance, investigators decided to make the arrests last weekend, just after an upbeat visit to President Obama by the Russian president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, said one administration official.

Mr. Obama was not happy about the timing, but investigators feared some of their targets might flee, the official said.


Criminal complaints filed in Federal District Court in Manhattan on Monday read like an old-fashioned cold war thriller:

Spies swapping identical orange bags as they brushed past one another in a train station stairway.

An identity borrowed from a dead Canadian, forged passports, messages sent by shortwave burst transmission or in invisible ink.

A money cache buried for years in a field in upstate New York.

But the network of so-called illegals -- spies operating under false names outside of diplomatic cover -- also used cyber-age technology, according to the charges.

They embedded coded texts in ordinary-looking images posted on the Internet, and they communicated by having two agents with laptops containing special software pass casually as messages flashed between them.

Neighbors in Montclair, N.J., of the couple who called themselves Richard and Cynthia Murphy were flabbergasted when a team of F.B.I. agents turned up Sunday night and led the couple away in handcuffs.

One person who lives nearby called them "suburbia personified," saying that they had asked people for advice about the local schools.

Others worried about the Murphys' elementary-age daughters.

Jessie Gugig, 15, said she could not believe the charges, especially against Mrs. Murphy. "They couldn't have been spies," she said jokingly.

"Look what she did with the hydrangeas."

Experts on Russian intelligence expressed astonishment at the scale, longevity and dedication of the program.

They noted that Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister and former president and spy chief, had worked to restore the prestige and funding of Russian espionage after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the dark image of the K.G.B.

"The magnitude, and the fact that so many illegals were involved, was a shock to me," said Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who was a Soviet spy in the United States in the 1960s and 1970s under "legal" cover as a diplomat and Radio Moscow correspondent.

"It's a return to the old days, but even in the worst years of the cold war, I think there were no more than 10 illegals in the U.S., probably fewer."

Mr. Kalugin, now an American citizen living outside Washington, said he was impressed with the F.B.I.'s penetration of the spy ring.

The criminal complaints are packed with vivid details gathered in years of covert surveillance -- including monitoring phones and e-mail, placing secret microphones in the alleged Russian agents' homes, and numerous surreptitious searches.

The authorities also tracked one set of agents based in Yonkers on trips to an unidentified South American country, where they were videotaped receiving bags of cash and passing messages written in invisible ink to Russian handlers in a public park, according to the charges.


Borrowed from a NY Times article...

Here's the link for the 2nd half of the story...

In Ordinary Lives, U.S. Sees the Work of Russian Agents - NYTimes.com
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well, Dubya would pretty much HAVE to say such things, EVEN if he knew otherwise. HECK, OBAMA had lunch with Medvedev, and OBAMA knew what was going on.

    The LAST thing you want to do is tip your hand, or add to hostilities.

    As for them being so careless, and so "old-fashioned", don't forget that foreign powers KNOW the US has some good people, and that the US may suspect them. These spies might be decoys, almost like the old comedy "spies like us" Spies Like Us (1985)
    Funny movie by the way.

    Anyway, in the spies like us movie, they took the 2 people they figured were most likely to fail, in fact the 2 CHEATED on the tests in a DUMB manner, and sent them to russia as DECOYS! The decoys even thought they were the real agents. LUCKILY, the "REAL" agents were effectively working for another country entirely. The decoys were a smart guy that knew russian, electronics, and cryptography, and a guy that, though not too bright, was willing to do almost anything, etc... THEY ended up being taken as the "real" spies and ended up saving the day.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I'm not sure if Obama knew of the impending arrests.

    If he did he did.

    How about Bubba having lunch with Putin last week and Putin complaining about the arrests??


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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      I'm not sure if Obama knew of the impending arrests.

      If he did he did.

      How about Bubba having lunch with Putin last week and Putin complaining about the arrests??


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      On the news, they said he did. But I was using it as an example, not to make fun, etc... Politicians can't always lay their cards on the table, if foreign governments may be involved.
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      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        There always have been and there always will be spies among us. And "ours" among "them".



        If he didn't know something like that in advance, with its potential to affect major international/diplomatic relations, there'll certainly be a few people joining the unemployment line any day now.

        I'm sure he knew/knows of general counter-espionage efforts etc., but did he know of the intimate details of this situation?

        He doesn't have to know.

        Where's the fallout???

        You get caught spying in another country and get busted - so what??

        Were there any major treaties between us an Russia at stake??

        Doesn't look like it.

        Will this stop the US & Russia from improving relations/cooperation??

        I doubt it.


        What does unemployment have to do with this????


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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          Doesn't look like it.

          What does unemployment have to do with this????


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          She was saying that he'd fire people who should have informed him but didn't. (if he was not informed, that is).
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

          I'm sure he knew/knows of general counter-espionage efforts etc., but did he know of the intimate details of this situation?

          He doesn't have to know.

          Where's the fallout???

          You get caught spying in another country and get busted - so what??

          Were there any major treaties between us an Russia at stake??

          Doesn't look like it.

          Will this stop the US & Russia from improving relations/cooperation??

          I doubt it.


          What does unemployment have to do with this????


          TL
          We always knew they had spies here. They always knew they may get caught. If we treat them reasonably, russia has NO right to complain, and they know it.

          SOP if you are a politician and get caught with your guard down is often to fire those that are, or could be perceived to be, responsible. Obama HAS done it before.

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          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            We always knew they had spies here. They always knew they may get caught. If we treat them reasonably, russia has NO right to complain, and they know it.

            SOP if you are a politician and get caught with your guard down is often to fire those that are, or could be perceived to be, responsible. Obama HAS done it before.

            Steve
            I haven't heard of any need to fire anyone in this situation.

            Not even the political opponents of the POTUS have claimed he was embarrassed or caught with his pants down in this situation.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

              I haven't heard of any need to fire anyone in this situation.

              Not even the political opponents of the POTUS have claimed he was embarrassed or caught with his pants down in this situation.
              NOPE, that was YOU! From what I heard, EVEN from the opposing party, he knew EVEN while he was having burgers with medvedev! MAN what a name! 8-)

              BTW he did it with the social director, and a few czars, to name a few.

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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                NOPE, that was YOU! From what I heard, EVEN from the opposing party, he knew EVEN while he was having burgers with medvedev! MAN what a name! 8-)

                BTW he did it with the social director, and a few czars, to name a few.

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                Still,


                I know not, what you talk about.


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          • Profile picture of the author oknevets
            i have to admit, these things are both scary and interesting
            i mean at first i thought it was only in movies that these things can happen, but then again they ARE spies right, so it really is all in secrecy, i read that one of them was a very beautiful woman
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              • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
                You don't think for a minute we're not doing the exact same thing, do you?

                Of course we are.
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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

                  You don't think for a minute we're not doing the exact same thing, do you?

                  Of course we are.
                  Yea, but we haven't been caught yet.

                  Perhaps we will see some retaliation arrests sooner or later??


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              • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                At the moment, they're alleged spies. (And actually maybe not even that - the alleged offenses being discussed at the moment seem slightly "lower level" than actual espionage?). I'm sure you'd like to see some evidence or a conviction before assuming that, wouldn't you? Or must it all be true because nobody can ever be arrested without being guilty?
                Reports are that one of them has already confessed but we'll see what happens.


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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                  Reports are that one of them has already confessed but we'll see what happens.


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                  Well, at least one not only confessed but said, in the courtroom, that his love for russia trumps *****EVERYTHING***** EVEN his family! Even his SON! And he said that with his son in the room.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    That's been all OVER the local paper where I am. Wurtsboro is only 20 miles or so from me. There's a Harley dealer there I go to from time to time.

    Some of the quotes from locals are funny. Only happens in LeCarre books, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Just in...

    Christopher Robert Metsos, the 11th suspect in the alleged Russian spy ring who was arrested in Cyprus yesterday, has gone missing, authorities said.

    Metsos, who had been staying alone at a hotel in the coastal resort town of Larnaca for the past two weeks, was nabbed yesterday while trying to catch an early morning flight to Budapest.

    He was since expected to check in at a police station Wednesday but failed to show up, according to Cypriot police spokesman Michalis Katsonotos.

    A Canadian citizen, Metsos -- who is either 54 or 55 -- is the only one of the 11 spy ring suspects to be arrested overseas, and was awaiting a July 29 hearing for extradition to the U.S. for suspected espionage and money laundering.

    Hotel staff say he was last seen at the reception desk, where he paid for two additional weeks on a credit card.

    A warrant has since been issued for his arrest, Katsonotos said.

    Like the 10 suspects found Monday, Metsos is accused of carrying out his "deep-cover" assignment for years.

    Authorities allege Metsos, who is believed to carry a U.S. passport and has ties to New York and Vermont, acted as the group's money man, delivering large sums of cash from Russian agents.

    He was also previously married and has a son who is believed to be residing in Paris.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I had wondered about that. I kept hearing 11, and suddenly only heard 10.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Just in...

    According to prosecutors, 1 of the Russian spies has confessed.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW the US has been taught to LAUGH at the idea of spies. One guy screamed SPY! SPY! DECADES ago, was proven RIGHT, and people STILL laugh at him! And it is a MAJOR charge that can have SEVERE charges. And russia is treated almost like an ally on some things now. People from the former USSR now come here to WORK! HECK, I work with several NOW. Two people I work with NOW are from RUSSIA. So I would hope charges don't get this far unless they have LOTS of proof.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      BTW the US has been taught to LAUGH at the idea of spies. .

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      Geez, I must have missed that day during National Brain Washing Week. Did they teach us to snicker or was it more of a nasal snort like Fran Drescher?

      I know...It had to be a belly laugh like "Muahahhahahaha! Look at the spies! Muahahahaha!"
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        Geez, I must have missed that day during National Brain Washing Week. Did they teach us to snicker or was it more of a nasal snort like Fran Drescher?

        I know...It had to be a belly laugh like "Muahahhahahaha! Look at the spies! Muahahahaha!"
        I said laugh at the IDEA. If you read the whole post, you would see the context.
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  • Profile picture of the author cordi
    so this has been confirmed eeh? what about that sexy lady?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by cordi View Post

      what about that sexy lady?
      Don't let the looks fool you....$200,000 dollars, a few surgical procedures and 2 years ago her name was Viktor..
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        After years of F.B.I. surveillance, investigators decided to make the arrests last weekend, just after an upbeat visit to President Obama by the Russian president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, said one administration official.
        I got to wonder how dangerous the spies where if the FBI watched them for years and did nothing.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I got to wonder how dangerous the spies where if the FBI watched them for years and did nothing.
          Most spies just convey information secretly. HEY, ever see the falcon and the snowman? If they are watched by the FBI, they are probably not doing much. They may be conveying PLANTED incorrect information.

          Leonardo davinci wrote designs for a tank. He made a VERY stupid mistake that any KID with half a brain ought to be able to avoid. The idea is that he did it on PURPOSE so if anyone copied his plans, or used them, the flaw would be left in. The front and rear wheels would turn in OPPOSITE directions, so it could never move! Of course, replacing the gears with pulleys, or adding an extra gear would fix the problem, but maybe similar problems exist elsewhere.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I got to wonder how dangerous the spies where if the FBI watched them for years and did nothing.
          I've been thinking about this and there's something about this whole thing that doesn't feel right to me.

          All reports are that the Russians spent a lot of money but didn't get much in return. This isn't like the Russians, just the opposite.

          My guess is this is either a probe where the Russians wanted to see what they could get away with, or it's a decoy with the purpose of drawing attention away from something else, or maybe a combo of both.

          Or maybe they wanted to "out" our covert agents and follow those that followed these decoys?

          I just can't seem to get past the fact that the Russians spent all this money over all this time, for the results they were getting without some ulterior motive.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
            I feel a LOT more vulnerable to being spied on by my own government than I am by Russians, or spies from any other country.

            What national "secrets" do we have that they don't already know, anyway? The source code for the next version of Windows? The formula for "Classic" Coke?
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

              I feel a LOT more vulnerable to being spied on by my own government than I am by Russians, or spies from any other country.

              What national "secrets" do we have that they don't already know, anyway? The source code for the next version of Windows? The formula for "Classic" Coke?
              Hey, they had the stealth bomber! I could probably tell you of a couple dozen secrets that 99.98% of the american public had NO idea of that were valuable. HECK, the US had a huge conspiracy to debunk the idea that there was a special center in nevada. For years some were considered KOOKS. Of course, NOW it is acknowledged, etc...

              As for the stealth bomber though, there was obviously some corporate spying. A company came out with a model that was all too close.

              So you shouldn't think the US government is telling us everything, etc... EVEN with foia, they have been known to black out as much as 100% of any meaningful information, and have lengthy delays.

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            • Profile picture of the author Thomas
              Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

              I feel a LOT more vulnerable to being spied on by my own government than I am by Russians, or spies from any other country.
              So you should: Uncle Sam won't rest 'til he learns the secret of your amazing worm hair.
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            I've been thinking about this and there's something about this whole thing that doesn't feel right to me.

            All reports are that the Russians spent a lot of money but didn't get much in return. This isn't like the Russians, just the opposite.

            My guess is this is either a probe where the Russians wanted to see what they could get away with, or it's a decoy with the purpose of drawing attention away from something else, or maybe a combo of both.
            Confusion agents, perhaps? Maybe the Russians are trying to publically discredit American counter-espionage efforts. After all, to have them under surveillance for ten years (and, even worse, if they are "real spies", for them not to realise it) and then to have such difficulty actually charging them with espionage the moment they were arrested is pretty strange.

            Btw, for those who think all this is pretty unusual: Every country on this planet (including your own, wherever you may be) spy on other countries in some fashion (including their neighbours and allies). Even the smallest country you can think of does it. And it's been going on since the dawn of time... and will probably continue until such time as humans cease to exist.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

              Confusion agents, perhaps? Maybe the Russians are trying to publically discredit American counter-espionage efforts. After all, to have them under surveillance for ten years (and, even worse, if they are "real spies", for them not to realise it) and then to have such difficulty actually charging them with espionage the moment they were arrested is pretty strange.
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              Something's just strange to me...NASA spent millions of dollars to develop a pen so that astronauts could write upside down (in zero gravity). Russian cosmonauts used pencils.

              I just don't see the Russians spending all this money for nothing...I don't have a clue what's going on, but I'll still bet a coke that something is going on.
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              • Profile picture of the author Don Brigante
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                Something's just strange to me...NASA spent millions of dollars to develop a pen so that astronauts could write upside down (in zero gravity). Russian cosmonauts used pencils.

                I just don't see the Russians spending all this money for nothing...I don't have a clue what's going on, but I'll still bet a coke that something is going on.
                Kurt, the new Russia is different. Now they can spend all their money for nothing, i.e. not for the state but for their own needs and pockets. It's a land of corruption. They say corruption is everywhere, even in FSB (former KGB).

                I have read two Russian versions of the story:

                1 Those folks were not serious spies. It's just a net of agents who must help "real" spies in case of war between the US and Russia. Now they are useless, but one day they can be very helpful for Russia. As for me, I think that they are still useless because I do not believe in the war.

                2 It is a kind of business for the "KGB guys". They send their people to the USA, pretend that they are doing some big job, and then ask their government for more money. The government gives them the money, they send half to their agents and put the other half into their own pockets. That's what they call corruption.

                Anyway, only people who sent those spies know the truth. And it can be the third version.

                PS Russian spy ring: British husband of 'femme fatale spy' speaks of her secret meetings with Russian 'friends' | Mail Online
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    And just when I thought the cold war was over!

    Here we go with the same old thing!

    Their spies are evil with evil intent.
    Our spies are heroes who just want to maintain peace.

    Their spies try to get our technology to build weapons.
    Our spies try to find out what horrible weapons they are developing.

    When are the rest of us going to realize that the leaders of all nations (including our U.S. government) sometimes authorize things that are just plain stupid and bad for the rest of us. Spies perform a useful function by making difficult and nearly impossible for those leaders to keep their doings secret from public scrutiny.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    According to AP a swap may be in the works...


    Here's the story if you're interested.


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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    The swap was completed last week.

    We traded their 10 spies for 4 or 5 people held in Russia.
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