When was the best time to be young?

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I was just chatting with my 20 something daughter, and she said that my generation were so lucky.

I'm talking about being young in the very late fifties to the late sixties.

I remember the great revolution in music, the advent of Elvis, which changed everything, followed by the Beatles.

There seemed to be a vast explosion of musical talent once those doors were opened, talent that has lasted till 2010 e.g. Abba, Mamas and Papas, PP & M, Rolling Stones etc. and many, many more.

Then the singer/songwriters, Bob Dylan, Don McLean, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, John Denver, also many, many more.

Then there was the summer of love (1967), where drugs seem harmless by today's standards.

We didn't lock our cars or our doors, we had chats with neighbours over the back fence.

Of course it wasn't all great, especially for those of you in the U.S.
There was the JFK assassination, which dashed our hopes, followed by RFK and MLK.

Plus of course there was the small matter of the threat of nuclear annihilation!

Am I just another old fart moaning about the "good old days", or did "Happy Days" touch a chord in our hearts?

Please note I'm not saying our generation WAS the best, I would not be so presumptuous, I'm would like to hear different opinions.

What do Generation X and Generation Y think?
  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

    I was just chatting with my 20 something daughter, and she said that my generation were so lucky.
    Yeah. No internet. At all. That must have been a blast.

    I appreciate that there are many good things about when I was a child. I appreciate that many of those things simply aren't around anymore.

    But if I had the choice of whether MY children were going to grow up in the 1970s or today, I don't even need to think about it. I'd like them to grow up today.

    There's a part of me that still sits and looks at my phone and says "holy crap, I bought a beer with my debit card, and PayPal emailed me a receipt that is already sitting on my phone... before they're even done pouring my beer."

    What's going to make my kids stare at something and say "holy crap" in thirty years?

    You think I want them to miss that?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Yeah. No internet. At all. That must have been a blast.

      I appreciate that there are many good things about when I was a child. I appreciate that many of those things simply aren't around anymore.

      But if I had the choice of whether MY children were going to grow up in the 1970s or today, I don't even need to think about it. I'd like them to grow up today.

      There's a part of me that still sits and looks at my phone and says "holy crap, I bought a beer with my debit card, and PayPal emailed me a receipt that is already sitting on my phone... before they're even done pouring my beer."

      What's going to make my kids stare at something and say "holy crap" in thirty years?

      You think I want them to miss that?
      Well, to talk about X versus Y, I watched a film purporting to be about how generation Y thinks, and it was SCARY! If most feel like that, I fear they won't live another 30 years!

      And the poisons, etc... that are being released today, WOW!

      I would almost say that growing up in the 50s would be better. Seriously, a lot of things seemed better. And I saw things decline from the 60s-70s-80s-2000-2010.

      GRANTED the 70s brought a LOT more things....Networking, microcomputers, phone choices, touch tone, etc.... The 80s brough higher density products, faster/bigger computers, more phone connection methods, etc.... The 90s brought the web. If I could bring that into the 50s, and not affect the 50s, WOW!

      So I don't know. People and the envioronment are getting WORSE, technology is getting better.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rick B
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        I would almost say that growing up in the 50s would be better. Seriously, a lot of things seemed better. And I saw things decline from the 60s-70s-80s-2000-2010
        You may have seen some things decline but what about the things that have improved?

        Longer healthier life spans
        Air-conditioning
        More leisure time
        Better food
        Better roads and air travel that is also cheaper
        Worldwide (nearly) free and instant communications
        Little threat of nuclear holocaust
        Wars have gotten smaller in magnitude
        Average person's freedom has increased

        Every generation has its pluses and its minuses. The main reason that we older folk think that the 50s were so great is because the 30s (Depression) and 40s (World War) were so horrible.

        Of course, if you live on the streets of New York City or in a nation with droughts and starvation, the 2000s probably don't look so good either. If your son just died in Afghanistan, todays world might seem harsh but your son could just have easily died in Korea in the fifties or in Vietnam in the sixties/seventies. But for most of us in the First World Nations, things don't look so bad today.

        The world has always been part evil and part wonderful. I think that the evil part is slowly but consistently shrinking and the wonderful part is slowly but consistently growing. At least I hope that's true.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

          You may have seen some things decline but what about the things that have improved?
          Longer healthier life spans REALLY? WELL, if the worst is protracted, how can that be better? ALSO, I am not one of those that sees an improvement in the quality of life. My mother is about 78, and she REALLY has problems. EVERYONE knows that, but she won't admit it.

          Air-conditioning GEE, I hadn't noticed. You would think I would since I HATE the heat! Oh well, my mother has ALWAYS felt cold, so could I REALLY turn it colder?

          More leisure time HOW?

          Better food DREAM ON!

          Better roads and air travel that is also cheaper I don't know if the roads are better, and air travel is MORE TROUBLE, LOWER QUALITY, ETC.... I flew in the 60s, 70s,80s, 90s, and the last flight I had was 6/6/2010!

          Worldwide (nearly) free and instant communications OK, I'll give you that, but I think I covered that!

          Little threat of nuclear holocaust HUH? HOW DO YOU FIGURE! We USED to have basically 1 country that we KNEW wasn't suicidal, etc... NOW, we have like a dozen. Where have you been!?!?!?

          Wars have gotten smaller in magnitude HOW DO YOU FIGURE! SURE, we had 2 world wars(SCRATCH THAT, they happened BEFORE 1950!),but where other ones REALLY that big?

          Average person's freedom has increased HOW?

          Every generation has its pluses and its minuses. The main reason that we older folk think that the 50s were so great is because the 30s (Depression) and 40s (World War) were so horrible. WELL, I only lived in the 60s, etc... for the 50s, I have to look at documents, movies, etc....
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


            Average person's freedom has increased HOW?
            I take it in a previous life you weren't a black woman in the 1910's who couldn't vote because she was black AND a woman? Or maybe she wanted to go to Alabama U in 1964?

            Some times the "average person's" story doesn't tell the whole story.
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              I take it in a previous life you weren't a black woman in the 1910's who couldn't vote because she was black AND a woman? Or maybe she wanted to go to Alabama U in 1964?

              Some times the "average person's" story doesn't tell the whole story.
              OK, SOME people had more freedom in some areas. The 1910s don't count because AGAIN, before 1950. The 1964 thing I can agree with.

              For the record, my father told me about his playing some game, forget whether it was baseball or what, with a guy in college, he had a great time, etc... The guy seemed nice, and he told me father something like "Well, I guess your not going to want to do this again". My father was dumbstruck, asked why, and the guy revealed he was jewish. For the record, my father has a lot of jewish friends, and my step mother is jewish.

              So yeah, but still that didn't affect EVERYONE.

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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                OK, SOME people had more freedom in some areas. The 1910s don't count because AGAIN, before 1950. The 1964 thing I can agree with.
                If you want to get technical, the OP only mentions Gen X and Y, which would be eliminate anything before about 1980.

                If you can go back to 1950, I can go back to 1910.
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                • Profile picture of the author KimW
                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                  If you want to get technical, the OP only mentions Gen X and Y, which would be eliminate anything before about 1980.

                  If you can go back to 1950, I can go back to 1910.
                  Ok,ok, if we started counting past lives, I could tell you about the time Ceasar and I.....oh, never mind!
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

          You may have seen some things decline but what about the things that have improved?

          Longer healthier life spans
          Air-conditioning
          More leisure time
          Better food
          Better roads and air travel that is also cheaper
          Worldwide (nearly) free and instant communications
          Little threat of nuclear holocaust
          Wars have gotten smaller in magnitude
          Average person's freedom has increased

          You've got to be kidding, yes?

          Longer, healthier lifespans? Who's healthier? We have over a quarter mil dying each year from pharms. 1 out of 2 people has cancer - compared to 1 in 34 back 60 years ago. Heart disease, diabetes, autism is actually rampant. And as far as life spans - they keep saying it's getting longer, but if you go to graveyards and start recording stats you'll see that they aren't increasing any more - they were around 1940 - 1980, then they started to drop off again. So many people are "legally" drugged into waking comas now that it is estimated that only 1 in 10 is actually lucid enough to be driving safely.

          Better food? 6,000 chemicals. A diet of processed food will kill you. We have GMO food which has been proven to be deadly by every study conducted not paid for by Monsanto.

          More leisure time? Many have to work 2 jobs just to survive. Those who can't find the second job - or even a first are homeless.

          More personal freedom? Personal freedoms are at an all time low. People get sued for saying what's on their mind. There is little land not designated no trespassing - and a lot of what used to be public land is now fee based usage with tons of regulations. Everywhere you go you are monitored. Pull a prank like run on a ball field while a game is in progress and you don't get slapped with a misdemeanor "disturbing the peace" ticket - you get tased.

          Nuclear threat? You feel safe, do ya? We were once afraid that the Russians might decide to blow us off - now we have many countries to worry about and open south borders which terrorists can just cascade past with not one problem. If you feel safe, you are fooling yourself.

          Smaller wars? We are in several now. It used to be just one. Maybe they seem smaller to you but I'll bet ya for the 200,000 to 1 mil victims and rising people in Iraq they don't feel like the wars are any smaller. Maybe if you lived where the wars were going on you wouldn't think so either. Genocide isn't fun even if it's only a few thou that are getting bumped and none of em are your race or nationality or religion.

          Air conditioning? Sure - there you have one, although I was a teen ager in the late 60's and early 70's and remember places that were so air conditioned I didn't want to walk in the door. Just more people have them now.


          For my money - the late 60's and early 70's would have been the bomb without Viet Nam. People were starting to come out of the strict conformity, yet still attached to their morals and their neighbors. We were inquisitive and found it okay to delve into para-normal and para-psychology, and gaia, we could explore what was taboo before. We were allowed to be playful without everyone freaking out that we might be dangerous. We were allowed to speak our minds without fear of prosecution.

          The population numbers made sense and there was plenty of room to roam, free land and space - clean waters - fresh air.

          People could live comfortably on one income and raise their own children with some quality time instead of pushing them to daycare centers, babysitters, and schools just to have time to work to barely survive. Kids were taught in schools how to think instead of what they were to think.

          People didn't run you down in the streets or crash into your car or run you down in store isles because they couldn't be disconnected from their cell phones for a half an hour.

          People actually took responsibility for themselves instead of waiting to be told how to act. We enjoyed independence.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gene Freeman
            HeySal
            WOW! You hit the nail on the head dear. I've had to sell blood plasma just to eat and put gas in the truck. Not too long ago either. The good thing about the about the pace of technology is that now I can make a buck at home without having to spend for gas to go to work.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

          You may have seen some things decline but what about the things that have improved?

          Longer healthier life spans
          Air-conditioning
          More leisure time
          Better food
          Better roads and air travel that is also cheaper
          Worldwide (nearly) free and instant communications
          Little threat of nuclear holocaust
          Wars have gotten smaller in magnitude
          Average person's freedom has increased
          Better roads? Ummm, I bet you haven't been to Michigan in a very, very long time.

          I cordially invite you to visit though and welcome you to pot hole hell!

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Better roads? Ummm, I bet you haven't been to Michigan in a very, very long time.

            I cordially invite you to visit though and welcome you to pot hole hell!

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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

              I know that's right Terra!
              Yes Matt,

              You know what I'm talking about. I mean not just a little pot hole, but the kind of pot hole that when driven over bends the rim or pops the tire!

              Earlier this spring I hit one and it bent my rim. It couldn't be fixed and I ended up having to buy a new one. Ba-bye to a couple of hundred of my hard earned cash!

              I'm not whining mind you, just stating the cold hard facts!

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        And the poisons, etc... that are being released today, WOW!
        See, here's the thing.

        My grandfather used to bring home ten-pound bottles of mercury, drained from machines at the steel mill, for me to PLAY WITH.

        I would sit happily at the kitchen table, dropping the mercury onto a tray and watching it break into little balls that rolled around. Eating a sandwich at the same time. If you took a penny, and you rubbed the mercury onto it, you could turn the whole penny silver. When you wanted it to be copper again, like normal, you just stuck it into your mouth and washed it off.

        My mother and grandmother saw nothing wrong with this whatsoever.

        And you're going to sit here and say "OMFG there are so many new poisons!" - WTF, we paid zero attention to the old ones. Paint had lead in it; that was the nature of paint. Toys were made with sharp edges and dangerous projectiles, then covered with lead-based paint and happily handed over to children.

        I had this wonderful little thing you could use to make rubber insects. Do you know what it was? Essentially a griddle. You put this steel plate on top of the unit, and you filled the molds, and it heated up to over 300 degrees, and you left it for several minutes. I kept this thing IN MY ROOM. Which had A CARPET.

        And you know how kids are; you turn this thing on to heat it up, and you look in the corner and ooh shiny. Now you're playing with some other random thing, and there's a 300 degree steel plate over there waiting for you to step or fall on it. Or to knock it over on the way out of the room because little Johnny wants you to come out and play, and hey, maybe mom will smell something burning before the house catches on fire.

        Take off the rose-coloured glasses. Things are not worse today. They're better. They get better in a million tiny ways while you're not looking, and all you care about is the things that scare you.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          See, here's the thing.

          My grandfather used to bring home ten-pound bottles of mercury, drained from machines at the steel mill, for me to PLAY WITH.

          I would sit happily at the kitchen table, dropping the mercury onto a tray and watching it break into little balls that rolled around. Eating a sandwich at the same time. If you took a penny, and you rubbed the mercury onto it, you could turn the whole penny silver. When you wanted it to be copper again, like normal, you just stuck it into your mouth and washed it off.

          My mother and grandmother saw nothing wrong with this whatsoever.

          And you're going to sit here and say "OMFG there are so many new poisons!" - WTF, we paid zero attention to the old ones. Paint had lead in it; that was the nature of paint. Toys were made with sharp edges and dangerous projectiles, then covered with lead-based paint and happily handed over to children.

          I had this wonderful little thing you could use to make rubber insects. Do you know what it was? Essentially a griddle. You put this steel plate on top of the unit, and you filled the molds, and it heated up to over 300 degrees, and you left it for several minutes. I kept this thing IN MY ROOM. Which had A CARPET.

          And you know how kids are; you turn this thing on to heat it up, and you look in the corner and ooh shiny. Now you're playing with some other random thing, and there's a 300 degree steel plate over there waiting for you to step or fall on it. Or to knock it over on the way out of the room because little Johnny wants you to come out and play, and hey, maybe mom will smell something burning before the house catches on fire.

          Take off the rose-coloured glasses. Things are not worse today. They're better. They get better in a million tiny ways while you're not looking, and all you care about is the things that scare you.
          Gee, I grew up in the 60s! Mercury was NOT something to be trifled with. And they DID eventually get rid of lead in the 70s. We DID have mercurochrome, but that was shortlived. You know what? IT's lead, and worse, is BAAAACK!

          GEE, the REAL metal problem they had when I was young? They made candy out of SILVER! The silver non pariells came with a WARNING! Of course, the cakes, cupcakes, etc... DIDN'T! WHO makes CANDY out of something that they put a WARNING on? Oh well, the only REAL danger is if you ate a *****LOT***** of it, and it would change the color of your skin. Argyria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Of course, I didn't find out the symptoms until over a decade later. You know what? NUTRASWEET, etc.... IT'S BAAACK! And ALUMINUM is more dangerous than silver anyway!

          As for the hot plate you were talking about, do you mean the vacume former they had? That was NEAT. 8-) The ONLY time I had a problem with that was burning my arm on my soldering gun when I was younger and my mother distracted me. Today, I don't even have a scar! I never even used a BANDAID! I DID have a HUGE(close to 9 square inches) welt for a couple weeks!

          HEY, if you are not much older than I am, or possibly younger, don't judge the time by your parent's or city's carelessness.

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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          [quote=CDarklock;2384139]See, here's the thing.

          My grandfather used to bring home ten-pound bottles of mercury, drained from machines at the steel mill, for me to PLAY WITH. [QUOTE]

          Okay.... that makes sense. We understand now.

          I had this wonderful little thing you could use to make rubber insects. Do you know what it was? Essentially a griddle. You put this steel plate on top of the unit, and you filled the molds, and it heated up to over 300 degrees, and you left it for several minutes. I kept this thing IN MY ROOM. Which had A CARPET.
          Yeah I was 4 and had a jack knife - a nice pearl handled one with a 3 inch blade. And little play oven which hit real heats and you could really cook with -- it wasn't that easy-bake light bulb garbage.

          Ya know something? I was told how to use it all correctly and did so. It wasn't hard. No harder than helping Daddy build the campfire and roasting marshmallows - although I will admit to walking through the firepit on the beach once right after we covered it up to smother it and it was still white hot. LOL. Learned a good one about watching where I was walking that time. Kinda helped when I started walking in rattlesnake infested areas later to know that one.

          You can't protect -- and should not protect kids from everything. But actually feeding a kid mercury is a bit on the bizarre side. I'm older than you and mirrors were made from a layer of mercury and it was well known that you did NOT lick a mirror. Crap CD - they knew that stuff was poison back during the gold rush.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            [quote=HeySal;2396600][quote=CDarklock;2384139]See, here's the thing.

            My grandfather used to bring home ten-pound bottles of mercury, drained from machines at the steel mill, for me to PLAY WITH.

            Okay.... that makes sense. We understand now.



            Yeah I was 4 and had a jack knife - a nice pearl handled one with a 3 inch blade. And little play oven which hit real heats and you could really cook with -- it wasn't that easy-bake light bulb garbage.

            Ya know something? I was told how to use it all correctly and did so. It wasn't hard. No harder than helping Daddy build the campfire and roasting marshmallows - although I will admit to walking through the firepit on the beach once right after we covered it up to smother it and it was still white hot. LOL. Learned a good one about watching where I was walking that time. Kinda helped when I started walking in rattlesnake infested areas later to know that one.

            You can't protect -- and should not protect kids from everything. But actually feeding a kid mercury is a bit on the bizarre side. I'm older than you and mirrors were made from a layer of mercury and it was well known that you did NOT lick a mirror. Crap CD - they knew that stuff was poison back during the gold rush.
            Well, when I was less than 8yo, I had a soldering gun(Don't ask me why, but that is what they bought. It was a CRAFTSMAN from SEARS), and a 1/4" POWER drill(BLACK AND DECKER), a fishingpole(I forget the brand, but it was a well known one), a band saw(POWER, in fact I put the band in, and setup the motor), hammers(REAL ONES), VICE GRIPS, WIRE CUTTERS, BOX CUTTERS. AND I had a table saw I could use. Oh yeah, I had access to matches etc.. as well.

            AND, counting scratches, etc.... let's see what dangers I encountered...

            1. I was distracted by my mother, and ended up leaning on the soldering gun ONCE, and had a welt for maybe a week or two, but it never left a scar. Oh well, I got a soldering IRON to replace it, and was just a bit more careful.
            2. Sometimes I slipped with the hammer, and hit my thumb leaving an interesting bruise, but no problem.
            3. I got cut by a box cutter once because of my mother. It was a little injury I treated myself, on the side of a finger. I have the tiniest little thing that could be considered a scar, but really isn't, but I couldn't find it if you paid me.

            Any close calls with saws, etc? HECK NO! HECK, before I was 8, I used a lathe, at a machine shop. I turned pieces of metal on it and never got a speck of metal in my eyes, or anything else. YES, I wore protection.

            Heysal,

            Let's be honest. The earlier OFFICIAL tie of mercury, that I found in my quick check, to illness was not all that long ago! It was 1823! SO, if CD were over say 180, I could understand his parents being careless. Of course, there WAS reason to believe a tie no later than about 100 years before THAT! But c'est la vie!

            SO CD.... Have you registered for a record in the GBWR yet!?!? I haven't heard of a 180 year old yet.

            Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          If you took a penny, and you rubbed the mercury onto it, you could turn the whole penny silver. When you wanted it to be copper again, like normal, you just stuck it into your mouth and washed it off.
          Everything I have heard about mercury says that you shouldn't be here to post this.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Like CDarklock - I'm a techno-geek, so I love everything about today's technology. But I think it's in all of us to miss the "good ol days". Which for most is usually somewhere between the ages of 13 and 25 (regardless of the time period in history).

    For me it was the early 80s and into the 90s. It was pre-911. A time when you could walk your loved ones right up to the boarding gate at the airport without a 2nd thought. Michael Jackson and Prince were not yet weird, OJ Simpson was just a great football player, and it only took you 72 minutes to get to the cleavage on your dad's blazing fast 14.4k phone modem.

    Ah good times!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think you have an insightful daughter. When you talk about 18-20 something I think we did have a better time of it.

      But maybe it's normal to think your parents had it easier or better (though I don't remember thinking that myself).

      My own feeling is that I had a much time - and more fun - than kids do today. I wasn't connected at all times or plugged in and had a freedom that kids now don't seem to enjoy. My sons had that same freedom but I don't think my grandchildren will.

      I like many of the new technologies but wonder if by being so connected with everyone else at all times makes us just circle the drain.

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  • Profile picture of the author erikainsandiego
    I think every period has it's pros and cons. It would be super cool to be young back in the day but the technology that kids have today make it hard to pass this period up. I would think it would be pretty cool to start over and be young today but maybe I just want to be young again!
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Young people didn't exist until the 1950's, when the teenager was born. It must have
    been an exciting time as nothing of this ilk had been seen before.

    I think Rock Around the Clock by Bill Haley and Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean was the moment teenagers were born, old people thought the world was ending.
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

      Young people didn't exist until the 1950's, when the teenager was born. It must have been an exciting time as nothing of this ilk had been seen before.

      I think Rock Around the Clock by Bill Haley and Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean was the moment teenagers were born, old people thought the world was ending.
      Absolutely correct - the moment teenagers were born - how well I remember that time, I would have been 16-19 then.
      I remember going to see "Rock around the clock", with teenagers dancing in the aisles - outrageous!

      I still remember the first record I ever bought - "Hound Dog" b/w "Don't be cruel" (Yes, records had two sides back then).

      Teenagers were super cool, and Bill Haley, James Dean and Elvis had everything to do with that.

      Also I remember the first time I heard Cliff Richard, he was so great and he was British!

      I wonder how on earth we could have so much fun hanging out at a milk bar, with no alcohol, not even a car.

      One very valid point has been raised - I am definitely looking at the time from a U.K. perspective.

      Vietnam might as well have been on the moon
      Seeing a black person was a rare occurrence, so civil rights meant nothing to us.

      So, I apologise to all you U.S. people, some of whom may not have been as lucky as we were.

      But, as I said, I'm definitely not promoting my time as the best, merely passing on a thought that my daughter gave me.

      Thank you for an interesting discussion, and of course whichever era you prefer, you are all right.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        I grew up in the 50's and 60's living in the country surrounded by farms.
        I wouldn't trade that for anything.
        For me that was the best time to be young.
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        • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I grew up in the 50's and 60's living in the country surrounded by farms.
          I wouldn't trade that for anything.
          For me that was the best time to be young.
          Yes, I can see how that would be idyllic in many ways.

          The very first job I ever had was working on a potato farm.
          That was the summer between 8th and 9th grades. Hard work,
          I tell ya, bagging and stacking 50 lb bags of tators. But it
          was fun in some way. I remember feeling like I was doing
          something good. You know... getting potatoes out to people
          so they could eat them. lol


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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    It's kind of hard to say you wouldn't want to live back 'then'
    because you wouldn't have had the things you have now. But
    back 'then' it wasn't even on the radar. How can you miss
    something you don't know about? Anyway... just perspective.

    One thing the OP didn't mention about the great 60s, which I
    do remember mostly even though I was very young, is the war
    in Vietnam. Not so great if you ended-up in that slice of the planet.

    I came of age in the 70s, and I was fortunate to be too young
    to have to go to war. I don't know what I would have done. But
    don't need to go into it.

    I think the 70s was a cool decade to grow up in. Things were still
    pretty cool, lots of leftovers from the 60s. The world was still mad
    but certainly not as whacked as it is, today. It was crazy in much
    smaller confinements and locales and not so globally as it feels now.

    I'm glad I could grow up in the 70s, and I don't regret it at all.

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    • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
      I think most people prefer to remember the good times, and try to forget about the bad times.

      So as time passes by, the past may seem happier than you thought at the time.

      Collins English Dictionary says this about nostalgia:
      1. a yearning for the return of past circumstances, events, etc.
      2. the evocation of this emotion, as in a book, film, etc.
      3. longing for home or family; homesickness

      Anticipation is listed as an antonym for nostalgia.

      Collins English Dictionary says this about anticipation:

      1. the act of anticipating; expectation, premonition, or foresight
      2. (Economics, Accounting & Finance / Banking & Finance) the act of taking or dealing with funds before they are legally available or due
      3. (Music, other) Music an unstressed, usually short note introduced before a downbeat and harmonically related to the chord immediately following it Compare suspension [11]

      I find it interesting that while the word nostalgia seems to imply "things were better before", the word listed as an antonym seems more neutral in it's meaning?
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  • Profile picture of the author Starring_Emma
    What years was Norman Rockwell doing the covers for Saturday Evening Post? Like maybe 40's I think. That would have been a cool time to grow up... Everyone had at least some morals and family values. Animals didn't have rights, gays kept quite about being gay, being an Atheist could get you run out of town, if you were lazy and didn't want to work you went hungry.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephie614
    The best time to be young depends on what your personal memories are. If you had good memories from when you were young, you look back and smile, and live in the moment with wishful feelings. However, like some of us, the memories are not so great, and there is no "best time to be young". Only to look forward and see what comes next.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by stephie614 View Post

      The best time to be young depends on what your personal memories are. If you had good memories from when you were young, you look back and smile, and live in the moment with wishful feelings. However, like some of us, the memories are not so great, and there is no "best time to be young". Only to look forward and see what comes next.
      My memory of the time is actually QUITE good. I remember when a kid, around 1971 tried to run me over in his tan VW beetle. I remember playing carems around 1973. I remember around 1968 or so when we had 4 wire phones, with the BIG plugs, don't ask me why, and they were ONE type. I remember the bullys, the bad presidents, etc... and I developed my opinion as time went on, NOT just today. And YES, I remember seeing my first computer schematic in 1971. I had the magazine until about 11-12 years ago.

      ANOTHER thing! When I was in the hospital as a little kid, they didn't try to FORCE me to cough so hard I could break stitches, because of MRSA. HECK, MRSA probably didn't exist then!

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    The very question raises an obvious dilemma. If you grew up in the 50s - 60s and find the world to be a worse place now, guess what? Your generation is responsible for it. You raised it to be this way.

    I personally have a son that spends way too much time tethered to his iPod, cellphone, and laptop. But he loves it! This is HIS "good ol days". I'd give anything to strut around w/ my boombox on my shoulder again. But my mom thought I was an idiot when I did that. It's all a matter of perspective. If you can find a way to bring joy into your own life, then THIS is the "good ol days".
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    • Profile picture of the author Starring_Emma
      Originally Posted by garyv View Post

      The very question raises an obvious dilemma. If you grew up in the 50s - 60s and find the world to be a worse place now, guess what? Your generation is responsible for it. You raised it to be this way.

      I personally have a son that spends way too much time tethered to his iPod, cellphone, and laptop. But he loves it! This is HIS "good ol days". I'd give anything to strut around w/ my boombox on my shoulder again. But my mom thought I was an idiot when I did that. It's all a matter of perspective. If you can find a way to bring joy into your own life, then THIS is the "good ol days".
      My great grandmother talks about how the kids of her generation thought having a tin can to kick around was luxury.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Stonehocker
    You really got me thinking - Those were definitely simpler days.

    I honestly would love to be a kid now. I didn't even get my first cell phone until I was 21 and now I see 8 year olds with Iphones!

    Whats up with that - I watch kids playing and think - they don't have a care in the world -

    Sometimes I wish I could not have a care in the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Adam Stonehocker View Post


      I honestly would love to be a kid now. I didn't even get my first cell phone until I was 21 and now I see 8 year olds with Iphones!
      I don't see having little kids tied to electronics as a good thing. Sure learn to use a computer - but don't spend all day wired and connected.

      When kids are learning cyber space and nothing about the real world they live in, how can they learn to respect the planet? It's been shown that cyber spacers don't learn empathy either.

      Kids need to learn what lakes are rivers and forests and wildlife are about. Teaching virtual life without real planetary existence is just very dangerous.

      And whoever said that it's our generation's fault -- Ours and two ahead of us. We've been on the way downhill for awhile as far as our planetary existence is going. As far as global connection, we're on top right now. So what's more important? Cyberspace or the planet? Sometimes it is a hard choice, but - if you don't see the planet as coming first, I'm wondering how long there will be humans here to create a cyberspace at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I'll take the Internet over Vietnam thank you very much. The music was cool though. I remember getting into my moms 45's and jamming out the Motown. The Eighties was quite cool to grow up in for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author 845
    The further into the future the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjeeezy
    I'd rather be born more into the future when life and technology completely intertwine.
    My house could be an alarm clock, my car can fly/teleport etc...

    When I think of all the unproductive things I do because there aren't any faster alternatives I get a little depressed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      The 80's. We had the best cartoons and the best action movies
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  • Profile picture of the author Pauline60
    In my opinion, staring as I am down the barrell of my looming 50th birthday, the best time to be young is always now.

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    • Profile picture of the author lilmechante01
      Originally Posted by Pauline60 View Post

      In my opinion, staring as I am down the barrell of my looming 50th birthday, the best time to be young is always now.

      Pauline
      That was my thought when I read to the thread title. Made me think of a few quotes:
      • What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult. ~Sigmund Freud
      • He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe is as good as dead; his eyes are closed. ~Albert Einstein
      • A child's world is fresh and new and beautiful, full of wonder and excitement. It is our misfortune that for most of us that clear-eyed vision, that true instinct for what is beautiful and awe-inspiring, is dimmed and even lost before we reach adulthood. ~Rachel Carson
      My view-I am always a child of God no matter what age I am and exist in an impermanent, ever-expanding universe that will always present new and beautiful things/experiences as long as I am willing to perceive through "childlike" eyes.

      I think this last quote provides a good conclusion:

      I am often accused of being childish. I prefer to interpret that as child-like. I still get wildly enthusiastic about little things. I tend to exaggerate and fantasize and embellish. I still listen to instinctual urges. I play with leaves. I skip down the street and run against the wind. I never water my garden without soaking myself. It has been after such times of joy that I have achieved my greatest creativity and produced my best work. ~Leo F. Buscaglia, Bus 9 to Paradise

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  • Profile picture of the author Nyakibia
    I think that would be between the time when I started crawling and when I started going to school. I could get away with just about everything without being punished because I was just a baby. As much as I do not remember 90% of that period, I'm sure I enjoyed it the most.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Nyakibia View Post

      I think that would be between the time when I started crawling and when I started going to school. I could get away with just about everything without being punished because I was just a baby. As much as I do not remember 90% of that period, I'm sure I enjoyed it the most.
      SEE, THAT is the reason I don't like taking ethnicity or race into it. If we put age in, MANY may feel the same way as you.

      When you're a little kid, you can be happy about things you wouldn't care less about now. Heck, at the time you probably didn't know of, or care about, the date. For that matter, you judged things ONLY on how they affected YOU! Not beliefs or long held grudges. HECK, I didn't care about politics AT ALL until I was like 18. I didn't even want to listen to the news, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't very local.

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  • I said its best to be young when the Google first started..imagine all the cheap clicks! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Seems some people have very faulty memories.
    But some of the "problems" were actually situation of people letting other people make decisions for themselves,and/or taking responsibility.Toys like The Thing-Maker and Creepy_Crawlers and Cleeple-People don't exist nowadays because of "safety" rules. Here is a safety rule-Teach Responsibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    And despite riding bikes without helmets, seeing who could peel the biggest patch of skin from a severe sunburn, then spray "Off" on the newly exposed skin...For the first time in the history of the USA the young kids today have a shorter life expectancy, worse education and can expect a lower standard of living.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Today a gallon of mercury is about $3433.33
    I would love to see a ten pound bottle.

    The density of Mercury is 13,593 kg/m3 (kilograms per cubic meter). That is equivalent to 113.4 lb/gal [US].(pounds per gallon).
    Yikes! Compare that to water, which is about 8.34 pounds per gallon.
    So all you math wizzes, what would a ten pound bottle of mercury cost?
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  • Profile picture of the author scubasteve-cr
    I think that this answer will change with every generation.

    For me, what in the world happened to saturday morning cartoons ??
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by scubasteve-cr View Post

      I think that this answer will change with every generation.

      For me, what in the world happened to saturday morning cartoons ??
      TELL ME ABOUT IT!

      When they first came out, I think they were just cute.
      THEN, they got better quality and more slapstick, but still fun.
      The most disfunctional was probably the jetsons or flintstones.

      And NOW!?!?!? The quality is generally WORSE and they seem to mostly shoot for being GROSE! And they may have an AGENDA!

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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    I'm no technophile, but I would much prefer to be 20 now than 40 years ago (for example) because of all the tech that is available to me.

    Good thing I am

    It's a fast paced world right now, obviously more so depending on where you live. Sure many people love taking it easy and enjoying life, but it's hard not to like the fast pace at which new innovations are coming along.

    Take a look at the time between Marconi's trans-Atlantic radio wave broadcast and the first transistor radios to hit the market. Roughly half a century, right?

    Technology was slow to advance back then.

    Look at how long it took TVs and computers to progress to the precursors of the gadgets we own today.

    Didn't computers occupy entire rooms back in the 60s? Haha.

    Look at how long (or short) it took between the time the Internet became available for public use and the creation of massive social networks, not to mention the giant search engines.

    Information has never been more available to us, although it's a shame and ironic that people seem to be getting stupider in general nowadays.

    I think it's hard to argue against having access to more information.

    The times they are a changin' fast, and it's exciting to be young and living in the now
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      Didn't computers occupy entire rooms back in the 60s? Haha.
      NOPE!

      1959:

      Digital Equipment Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      PDP 1 took up little more than a wall. About as much space as a bed. Terminal not included

      1969:

      Data General Nova - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      NOVA took up about as much space as an IBM AT. Terminal and storage not included.

      1970:
      WOW, something I did NOT know!!!!!! LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!!!!!! I didn't know it actually had a father, but this is basically the father of the 4004/8008!!!!!

      Datapoint 2200 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      So, you have THIS, the 4004, the 8008, the 8080(when microcomputers really started taking off), the 8086, 8088, 80186(for some reason generally only used in controllers), 80286,80386,80486, pentium, etc.... Of course, that is only INTELS processors, and THIS was designed by intel also. AND, interestingly, this was like the 8008. The 4004 was REALLY a 8008 clocked 4 bits at a time to reduce support chips.

      BTW WANT TO FEEL OLD!?!?!?

      1998 a 1GB MECHANICAL drive was about as big as 2 mice and cost about $1000USD!

      2009 a 16GB FLASH memory chip is about the size of the LED inside one of those mice and costs about $30!

      2010 may even see a 64GB FLASH memory chip that still costs about $30! BTW a TERABYTE drive, same physical size as the gigabyte one, but 1000 times the space, costs about $100!(1000 times the space for a tenth the price!)

      BTW prior to 1985, INTEL didn't cheat on CPUs. Speed increase was LINEAR with the full speed of the system. If memory, support, and clock speed were doubled, processing was doubled, 100% of the time! Since then, they have cheated every single year. Clock doublers, interleaving, various additional caches, etc... And NOW multiple CPUs and internal multitasking. Although it would have taken more realestate earlier, they could have done it earlier. Of course, that would have been with the same slow core, but most computers haven't been able to run their full speed since the early eighties! The fastest most computers have been able to run, FULL BORE, in the 80s to early nineties has been about 12Mhz. And MOST ran closer to 8Mhz. Bear in mind, that I am not saying the CPU was that slow, or even ran that slow, but merely saying that it was CRIPPLED by the slow memory, etc... In the early nineties they added cache and pipelines to try to mitigate that. But, EVEN TODAY, they say the maximum is perhaps 1Ghz, but they cheat THERE also!

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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      One thing I remember about being young in the 60's was the ease of getting a job. Back then, when you went for a job interview, the interviewer used to lock the door behind you so you wouldn't get away.

      One poster wrote that we have more leisure time today - is this true?
      Most people still work 40 hours a week, just as we did back then.

      Anyway, I was only restating what my daughter told me - I questioned her, and she still thinks our time was the best!
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        it's always a good time to be young!
        so I vote that we always "stay young", at least in our hearts, so that we can enjoy life as it's meant to be...

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        • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
          Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

          it's always a good time to be young!
          so I vote that we always "stay young", at least in our hearts, so that we can enjoy life as it's meant to be...

          Well, I'm a living example of, "You're never too old to be immature."
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    • Profile picture of the author doylesoft
      The best year to have been born was 1976ish. You would've seen most of the 80s and been 18ish when the Internet went prime time and the dot com frenzy started.

      Sadly, I was born in 1978. Missed out on those multi-million dollar dot coms. ; )
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by doylesoft View Post

        The best year to have been born was 1976ish. You would've seen most of the 80s and been 18ish when the Internet went prime time and the dot com frenzy started.

        Sadly, I was born in 1978. Missed out on those multi-million dollar dot coms. ; )
        Well, from what I have been told, originally domain names cost MILLIONS of dollars because, though the yearly cost was briefly, I believe, FREE, they were only available to LARGE companies, hospitals, colleges, and government offices. THEN, they supposedly cost about $150/year. The internet did NOT open up until about 1992, you were about 14! Eventually, domain names cost $70 for 2 years, you had to buy at least 2 years. You were about 18 around 1996, and that was before many really understood the IDEA of domain names.

        WOW, you were born around the ideal time, according to you. BTW the domain name market didn't open up and become cheap, like it is now, until about 1999. Webhosts didn't generally do much at a low cost until about 1997.

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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Hmmm, let me see...

          I was born in the early 1960's and was born just as young as anyone else.

          In the 70's I was still young, in the 80's I was still young.

          In the 90's I found I was still young! Heck, I'm still young!

          Hmmm, I'll let you know when the best time to be young is once I get old.

          But there is no guarantee as I just might die young!

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          • Profile picture of the author KimW
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Hmmm, let me see...

            I was born in the early 1960's and was born just as young as anyone else.

            In the 70's I was still young, in the 80's I was still young.

            In the 90's I found I was still young! Heck, I'm still young!

            Hmmm, I'll let you know when the best time to be young is once I get old.

            But there is no guarantee as I just might die young!

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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by KimW View Post


              Yeessss! That's it exactly!

              I absolutely love Rod Stewart and this particular song. I don't know why I didn't think of it myself!

              Oh yeah, it is because I just don't have the master musical mind that you do and at the tip of a hat have a song for pretty much any and every occasion!
              Thanks Kim!
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  • Profile picture of the author antiquenh
    i love my generation. we have internet, cool phones and other gadgets or devices. technology makes our life a lot way easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Originally Posted by peter_act View Post

    I was just chatting with my 20 something daughter, and she said that my generation were so lucky.<snip>

    There seemed to be a vast explosion of musical talent once those doors were opened, talent that has lasted till 2010 e.g. Abba, Mamas and Papas, PP & M, Rolling Stones etc. and many, many more.<snip>
    There's lots of great music now -- more than ever before -- and with Internet we're no longer at the mercy of publishing companies and radio to hear it.

    I guess for sowing wild oats, STD's were all treatable in the past, but now there is AIDs and antibiotic resistant strains of syphilis and suchlike.

    Kids in North America are way way more violent nowadays than in the past. Swarmings in which a pack of kids (some very young) randomly attack people, knock them to the ground and repeatedly kick them on the head causing serious injury (eg brain damage) or even death, seem to be a modern phenomenon.

    For most people in the world of whatever age or era, life's tough beyond the imagination of almost anyone reading this forum, I'd reckon (with exceptions, I'm sure).
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "There's lots of great music now -- more than ever before "

    If what you mean by "great music" is crap. You are absolutely correct.
    I know some out there consider acts such as Lady Gaga great music but I find it terrible that those that do actually insult real music and musicians by saying so.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "There's lots of great music now -- more than ever before "

      If what you mean by "great music" is crap. You are absolutely correct.
      I know some out there consider acts such as Lady Gaga great music but I find it terrible that those that do actually insult real music and musicians by saying so.
      No, I don't mean Lady Gaga, which should be obvious since I was was referring to *non-mainstream* performers all around the world who can now easily share their music online. That said, I have nothing against Lady Gaga. In fact, I appreciate and recognize her talent as a singer and musician and rather enjoy her performances (with the exception of "Fernando" which is one of the all-time worst songs, joining Black Eyed Peas' "My Humps").
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      "There's lots of great music now -- more than ever before "

      If what you mean by "great music" is crap. You are absolutely correct.
      I'm with you Kim.
      Interestingly, I was at a karaoke evening the other night, and what were the biggest hits of the night?
      "I want to hold your hand" and "Delilah", with an honourable mention to "Mamma Mia"
      Everyone (and it was a mixed generation group) put down their glasses and joined in with great enthusiasm.
      These songs are 30 and 40 years old!
      I humbly suggest that 30 years from now, it will still be the same showstoppers, and not one song from 2010 will be heard.
      To paraphrase a sporting quote "Fame is temporary, talent lasts forever"
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    Of course, I was using her as an example, not an end all. But you didn't say non-mainstream. You just said it was easier for music to get around without worrying about the publishers or the radio.
    I have heard so many raves about gaga I finally spent about an hour watching yourtube videos of hers a few nights ago and ,while your welcome to your opinion about her, I still stand by mine. No talent, no voice. I'm sure you can go find one,but in the time I spent there wasn't one video that she wasn't gyrating sexually and walking around in her underwear. Sorry,that isn't talent in my book.
    I'd be happy to carry on this discussion privately if you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpace32
    As a generation? Baby boomers. They literally had everything handed to them, and grew up in a boom economy.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by cpace32 View Post

      As a generation? Baby boomers. They literally had everything handed to them, and grew up in a boom economy.
      You obviously don't know what your talking about.
      Please explain your concept as to baby boomers having everything handed to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by cpace32 View Post

      As a generation? Baby boomers. They literally had everything handed to them, and grew up in a boom economy.
      MAN, what BULL! My mother was relatively poor, and my father paid as little as he could having divorced my mother LONG ago. I DID have a friend that was basically like a father to me, and every now and then he took me fishing on his boat, etc... It seems like HE had a lot of money, etc... but he had a VW bettle the whole time I knew him, and the boat he had had damage to the hull around the running light that I don't remember getting fixed. BTW the boat was rated for 7 people. My mother also had a VW bug.

      Our meals were simple(Like what a middle class family has NOW), and going out was a treat. My mother struggled to send me to private schools, but 78% of the time I was in PUBLIC schools! The area that I lived in kept being encroached upon. When I moved in, it was middle class. TODAY they are probably all slums. My mother never actually owned a home, we were in apartments.

      BTW I don't think my mother ever made over $35,000.

      As for the boom economy? That wasn't really a "BOOM" economy. It was a NORMAL one. NOW, people have been CHEATED! It used to be that almost any non american item was frowned on or even LAUGHED AT, LITERALLY! SERIOUSLY! Made in japan, china, korea meant it was JUNK! And TODAY, some do the same with AMERICAN products. DON'T WORRY THOUGH! The US doesn't make that much. HECK, even FOOD! Just TRY buying american peanuts, cashews, etc... It is NOT easy.

      BTW They were called baby boomers because the generation came after a big war and, like usually, there were a LOT of babies! Want to know HOW many? Well, I saw a factoid just YESTERDAY! In 2035 FOR THE FIRST TIME there will be more OVER 65 than there will be 5 or under! SO, there may have been a lot, but there were more people to care for. NOW, by contrast, there are more people that can care for the others. WHY!?!?!? Because all the baby boomers are between 46 and 64. 1970 was 40 years ago so THEN, the kids were 6-24

      AND, in the 70s, they made some things like furniture with partical board and veneer. OH, that was NEAT! The furniture might look BEAUTIFUL, but it STUNK, sliding it accross the floor could break it, etc... FORM over function!

      As for computers? They didn't become economically feasible until about 71, and weren't widely available until 75. They didn't catch on for small businesses until 81. They didn't get usable economical WANs until like 92.

      HECK, LEDs weren't really used until the 70s. LCDs didn't appear until the late 70s. LCDs as YOU know them didn't really appear until like the mid 90s!

      OH YEAH, my father isn't exactly poor, but the CPU unit he got for me ended up costing $1200. I don't think he was happy about the cost. When I graduated highschool, he bought me a 5.25" floppy disk drive. It cost about $700! MAN was I ECSTATIC a couple years ago when I found one at a computer show for ONLY $250. OH YEAH, I saved up for a hard disk drive! I found a 5MB one for $75! That drive only lasted about a year. 8-(

      HEY want to know ANOTHER way in which we were so spoiled? Just ask!

      So we DID have LOWER inflation. People seemed nicer. The government was more reasonable. But don't go talking like we were spoiled. And I wasn't just allowed to do whatever I wanted. Sadly, a person came to some acclaim. His name was "Dr. Spock"! Apparently he had some STUPID ideas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock Outside of basically having a stupid operation, I doubt his ideas affected the way I was treated, etc...

      BTW Babyboomers are going to have a harder retirement! Younger ones, such as I am, will have a HARDER time! Granted, the next generation may be no better, but the baby boomers will be the worst yet. AGAIN, because of our numbers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by cpace32 View Post

      As a generation? Baby boomers. They literally had everything handed to them, and grew up in a boom economy.
      That's the funniest thing I've heard today.

      Thanks for the laugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbhyip
    Every era has it's pros an cons. Technology has make life a lot easier the past 10yrs, but it has also come at a price. I remember when we only had one black and white tube TV and we the kids were the remote control. I did not like getting up to change the channel, but I would give anything to have one of those weekends again. The whole family together, home cook meals, grand parents, crazy uncle. Now we all live in different cities, states , and even countries. I think I would rather live in the old days!
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  • Profile picture of the author sudes16
    Its better to young from ur heart rather than age.

    The way u thinks so u become.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Every generation expresses contempt for the music of new generations. I grew up with Latin American music (Cuban, Mexican, Bolivian, Argentine etc etc) playing on the stereo. I plain don't relate to sentiments associated to mass-distributed (mostly-white) pop music of the past.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Every generation expresses contempt for the music of new generations. I grew up with Latin American music (Cuban, Mexican, Bolivian, Argentine etc etc) playing on the stereo. I plain don't relate to sentiments associated to mass-distributed (mostly-white) pop music of the past.
      Once again you make a post that is not really factual. I was born in the 50s,yet I enjoy music from the 40s (and earlier) to the 90s..As far as the music being mostly-white,I'm sorry if that was the type of music you were somewhat restricted to, but it was certainly not the way music was.
      I grew up istening to real blues ( Talk to Kurt, he seems to be the closest expert here). I grew up listening to real Rock and roll.I grew up listening to real soul,which is really hard to find "mostly-white" connactions to at all.

      You are correct though, I do have a very large comtempt for what they call music now, as it is mostly devoid of real music and devoid of talent.
      Most of what you see now is pre-canned pap that is being mass produced generically and being fed to a generation that for the most part can't recognize talent.

      Proof of what I saw cant be aptly demostrated in two shows right now.
      American Idol and America's Got Talent.

      If you appear on either show you are almost always guaranteed a standing ovation. Even if what you do is crap. A lot of contestants would have been better off as contestants on the late Gong Show.

      Just by a few of the threads here you can see there are many Warriors that can recognize actual talent,but are smart enough to know that just because someone tells them someone is talented ,that doesn't make it so.
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  • Profile picture of the author jlxsolutions
    you know no matter what one says or feels the best time to be young WAS when YOU was YOUNG
    Thou i wish i would have lived in the 80ies but that would meen i would have missed 10 years of future tech . or well iw as born 1983 but i cant remember anythign Pre 2K oddly (Drugs are BAD mkayyy)
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Freeman
    Things were alot simpler then. You didn't get a criminal record for smoking a joint, the government didn't throw parents in jail for correcting deviant behavior in their children, there wasn't the phobia of "addiction" to cigarettes, pain medication, etc.
    There wasn't a medical explanation for every socially unacceptable behavior you can think of. Things WERE alot more laid back. Now you have the US government looking into every aspect of your life and we have no control over it. Big Brother ya know.
    What wasn't thought of during those wonderful times was "Who's gonna be running things in 40 years?" Well, we know now. The love generation turned into the "Big Brother" generation. Sad, isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by MakingCashFromHomeOnline.com View Post

      Things were alot simpler then. You didn't get a criminal record for smoking a joint, the government didn't throw parents in jail for correcting deviant behavior in their children, there wasn't the phobia of "addiction" to cigarettes, pain medication, etc.
      There wasn't a medical explanation for every socially unacceptable behavior you can think of. Things WERE alot more laid back. Now you have the US government looking into every aspect of your life and we have no control over it. Big Brother ya know.
      What wasn't thought of during those wonderful times was "Who's gonna be running things in 40 years?" Well, we know now. The love generation turned into the "Big Brother" generation. Sad, isn't it?
      Outside of the deal about smoking tobacco and marijuana, I agree with you 100%! The sad thing about MANY creatures. Is that if you are too lenient and make things too easy, they may want a lot and expect it. People LIKE to talk about adult this and adult that BUT, emotionally, they are really 2 year olds! THINK ABOUT IT! There is a phenomenon known as "The Terrible Twos" Wikipedia ignores this, so let's use Terrible Twos and Your Toddler as a reference:

      No one looks forward to the terrible twos, a developmental stage that usually begins sometime in the toddler years.
      Although many parents don't expect the terrible twos to start until their toddler is two years old, it is important to note that it can begin anytime during your child's second year, and so anytime after their first birthday, and unfortunately, sometimes even before.

      Characterized by toddlers being negative about most things and often saying 'no', the terrible twos may also find your toddler having frequent mood changes and temper tantrums.

      To help you cope with this normal stage in your child's development, you should always remember that your child isn't trying to be defiant or rebellious on purpose. He is just trying to express his growing independence and doesn't have the language skills to easily express his needs. This can also be the reason why your toddler frequently gets frustrated and resorts to hitting, biting, and temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way.
      People were just SO permissive, etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Freeman
    One more thing. I remember MANY of my elders saying something that I repeat quite often myself now; Wish I knew then (while young) what I know now. I SURELY wouldn't be HERE.
    I couldn't count the times I've said to myself "Wow dad, were YOU RIGHT! How did you know?"
    He'ld been there, done that.
    Thanks Dad for trying to give me a "headsup". Wish I'ld'a listened.
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  • Profile picture of the author Epic Stephen
    Well what i have to say will not actually be on the topic, but i always wanted to live 2000 years ago ... you know... wars and stuff... but well now i am a 2010 warrior on this forum so is ok for me now...

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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by zoomx View Post

      <snip> i always wanted to live 2000 years ago <snip>

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      Gangrenous tooth cavities were a common cause of death 2000 years ago.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
        Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

        Gangrenous tooth cavities were a common cause of death 2000 years ago.
        Not to mention gangrenous war wounds. Even as late as the U.S. civil war more people died of their wounds than actually died in battle.

        The romance of war and warriors is just in books, movies and here.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Rod Stewart! I know him. He's that Louis Armstrong impersonator, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Move over Lady Gaga, here's Rod Stewart?


    (If I had to choose, I'd rather see Lady Gaga prancing around on stage. Sorry)
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      I think the thread's gone past my original post, which may have been too vague.

      I wasn't talking about how young you feel now, perhaps I'll rephrase the question:
      "When was the best time to be a teenager?"

      I still reckon is was when I was that age, being a teenager was cool, hanging around with your mates outside the milk bar, looking at the girls in their frilly dresses, forever combing your hair.

      Ah, happy days! (and no, my real name is not Richie Cunningham or Arthur Herbert Fonzarelli)

      Glad to see Steven's on board - he always adds a touch of class to any thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      Move over Lady Gaga, here's Rod Stewart?

      YouTube - Rod Stewart - Do you think I'm sexy?

      (If I had to choose, I'd rather see Lady Gaga prancing around on stage. Sorry)
      Thunderbird,

      No need to say you're sorry, if you being male preferred Rod over Lady Gaga, I'd be a bit concerned!:p

      Anyway, the reason I love Rod Stewart besides the fact that I love his music, is that his songs have sentimental value as well.

      You see, my mom was killed in a car accident when I was 19 years old. Before that life altering, tragic event, my mom and I would throw down dancing together in the living room and those times are some of the most memorable moments in my life.

      It was my mom who helped give me my love of music with very eclectic tastes and my love of dance. She absolutely loved Rod Stewart. As a matter of fact, on the way to the hospital when we came across the accident scene, my mom's car was still flipped over and her things scattered about on the high way. I freaked out and made my boyfriend (now hubby) pull over. I ran out of the car and grabbed an eight track of Rod Stewart before the policeman grabbed me and stopped me from gathering more items. One officer after getting the details then gave us an escort to the hospital.

      I still have that eight track today and unfortunately when we were given her effects, all of her other music was no where to be found.

      May I suggest that perhaps before you ridicule someone for their taste in music, as in your post prior to the one I just quoted, you stop yourself because you really have no idea of the reasoning behind it.

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      • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        <snip>

        May I suggest that perhaps before you ridicule someone for their taste in music, as in your post prior to the one I just quoted, you stop yourself because you really have no idea of the reasoning behind it.

        Terra
        Terra, your story is very moving. If I had any notion how deeply personal it was, and that my comment would be hurtful, I would not have posted it. I only meant it in fun (even Rod Stewart has poked fun at himself over some things), but obviously it came across as mean-spirited. I guess it should have occurred to me, since life is all about sentimental attachment to things.

        (I was actually responding not to you, but someone's odd attacks me and Lady Gaga [?] and contemporary composers, going as far as to say that seeing value in it is an insult to musicians.)
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    That's pretty American sounding for an Australian. Are you an ex-pat or are Australians that wired into American culture?
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    • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
      The best time to be young?


      When you're old.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      That's pretty American sounding for an Australian. Are you an ex-pat or are Australians that wired into American culture?
      I've never been to OZ but I wouldn't be surprised if their broadcasters bought up U.S. programming just like ours do (I'm in Canada too). It's cheaper and there's lots of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Originally Posted by thunderbird View Post

      That's pretty American sounding for an Australian. Are you an ex-pat or are Australians that wired into American culture?
      No, I was actually in New Zealand at the time, but American teenage culture was everywhere - we loved everything American, tried to look like James Dean or Elvis, or the coolest of them all, Edd "Kookie" Byrnes from the TV show "77 Sunset Strip"

      We really did hang around milk bars, as there was nowhere else to go on a Friday night. That was late night shopping night, so that was when the girls did their shopping, and where there were girls..............

      As I've said before, we had full employment, great music, safety on the streets, no drugs, NZ had so much money coming into the country from wool, so everything was cheap. We were so far away from world affairs, the cold war, a very insular existence.

      I wouldn't dare claim that era to be the best, that's too subjective a call, but life was pretty good.

      My kids certainly live in a different world, which is what started this whole thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author vonthomson
    The best time to be young is after marriage because every one has to enjoy the life after marriage other wise they will miss the real joy of love in their lives.
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  • Profile picture of the author vonthomson
    The time for to be young is after marriage because every one has to enjoy the life with his or her partner otherwise they are missing the real joy in their lives.
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    • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Your sentence doesn't quite make sense, but I am guessing you are talking about my comment. Let me cut and paste it for you here again:

      "I know some out there consider acts such as Lady Gaga great music but I find it terrible that those that do actually insult real music and musicians by saying so."

      Nowhere is it an attack on you. Admittedly it is a statement of my opinion of todays music scene,which I am allowed to have.

      I also offered to continue a civil discussion about it in private if you so wished.
      Ok, ok, you weren't attacking me. I took it the wrong way. It kind of came across that way to me. I wasn't offended even in taking it wrong, but actually kind of amused. Sorry not take up your offer to take it privately, but what for? It's not politics, religion, or voodoo.

      For the record, rumors of my impending marriage to Lady Gaga aside, I don't really know much about her apart from that she's actually good at singing, plays piano very well, and composed one of the worst songs in the history of music (Alejandro), as well songs that I think are actually quite good (eg Poker Face). One of the more bizarre controversies surrounding Lady Gaga is the question of whether she is actually female.
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    Ah, I see you got to my post before I changed my mind and deleted it. Such is life.
    "I don't really know much about her apart from that she's actually good at singing, plays piano very well, and composed one of the worst songs in the history of music (Alejandro) "

    Well, getting one out of 3 right isn't too bad.

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  • Profile picture of the author allisonays
    Maybe for me, I consider 70's or 80's is the best time to be young, unlike today there are lots of technology that teenagers are really in to, they forgot to do some exciting activities and are busy browsing the internet and acquire some unnecessary characteristics that really pissed off their parents.
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Each era and generation has it's downfall and issues. The issue now is that it's simply too relax and it'll hurt in the future. Also people are starting to be too lazy and outdoors is soon becoming a dream. Also entertainment has become just...disgusting. Not to mention change of personality and influence and being spoiled.

    I'd say the 80-90s were probably the best though. After the world war and the depression and when things were a little more friendly and enjoyable.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    The greatest time to be young is during those high school years.. man I so miss it!
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  • Profile picture of the author jorgemarget
    I think every period has it's pros and cons. It would be super cool to be young back in the day but the technology that kids have today make it hard to pass this period up. I would think it would be pretty cool to start over and be young today but maybe I just want to be young again!
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I think every generation looks back at the previous generation of their parents and say they had it good, as they say the grass is always greener on the other side
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    • Profile picture of the author peter_act
      Originally Posted by dagaul101 View Post

      I think every generation looks back at the previous generation of their parents and say they had it good, as they say the grass is always greener on the other side
      I'm afraid I have to repectfully disagree, with regard to my own circumstances.
      I believe my generation, in the U.K. were the first generation (late 50s - early 60's)to grow up knowing that they had a better life than their parents.

      We lived in Bristol, a favourite target for German bombers, I well remember the air raid shelter at the bottom of our garden. Our chain fence at the front of the house was taken to melt down for the war effort. Mother spent every Monday hand washing clothes and putting them through the mangle.

      All food was rationed, half a pound of meat per week, no lollies for the kids.

      I recognise that my parents had a tougher life than me, as I said, perhaps the first generation to realise that.

      Incidentally, while re-reading these posts, it seems that all the people who say today is better cite the improvement in technology as the reason.

      Is that all there is to today's society?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rick B
        I certainly wouldn't ignore the improvements in life due to the improvements in technology. Those are the things that have made life better with no effort on most people's part. Use them and enjoy!

        Of course, there are many other things a person can do to make their lives better.

        Romance your spouse to improve the love you receive.
        Talk your kids fishing.
        Organize a family picnic.
        Get a hobby.
        Make a new friend.
        Eat together as a family, at least occasionally.
        Take your parents to dinner theater.

        These things and others have been around forever, they promote better relationships that can improve happiness and they still exist to this day.

        The Sun still shines ... the flowers still bloom ... the waves still roll in on the beach.

        So instead of looking for reasons why the world today prevents us from being happy, we should take the time to do the things that result in happiness.

        And don't discount the fact that modern medicine has given us more time to enjoy these things ... airplanes and interstate highways have made it easier to get to those things ... air conditioning has made it more comfortable to enjoy those things ... etc.

        Technology doesn't create unhappiness. It just gives us more options. We choose the options. We are responsible for our own happiness.
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    I do wish I could go back 10 years. I would do so many things differently if I could just be 20 years old again. All we can do now is look forward to the future. We are only given a set amount of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    The best time for me to be young was way back when my mother bought my school clothes in the Sears and Roebucks children's dept.
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