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Republican Hagel and 59% of voters: Palin not Prepared for Job.

by TimPhelan
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Update: new poll says 59% of voters say Gov Palin is not prepared to be VP. I thought this was an amazingly high number. Up significantly from just a few weeks ago. Seems, the more Americans see Sarah Palin, the more they don't think she is ready.

All told, 59 percent of voters surveyed said Ms. Palin was not prepared for the job, up nine percentage points since the beginning of the month. Nearly a third of voters polled said the vice-presidential selection would be a major factor influencing their vote for president, and those voters broadly favor Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee.
Here's an interesting and important point from this article:

And in a possible indication that the choice of Ms. Palin has hurt Mr. McCain's image, voters said they had much more confidence in Mr. Obama to pick qualified people for his administration than they did in Mr. McCain.
Good point. After picking Palin for VP, don't you worry about who he may pick for other important cabinet positions?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us...in&oref=slogin

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Interesting article about Rep Senator Chuck Hagel. There are some honest Republicans afterall. I always liked Hagel though, not just because he says this stuff about Palin and Mccain.

The Political Scene: Odd Man Out: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

Hagel skipped the Republican Convention, choosing instead to go, with two aides, on a fact-finding trip to Latin America. He did hear McCain's speech, which, in its evocation of the need to bridge a disabling partisan divide, echoed the theme of his discussion with McCain in their meeting in June. But, Hagel said, he's been "very disappointed" by McCain's campaign. "He gave one unifying speech and then has spent fifty million dollars to destroy his opponent."
Hagel may be the only senior Republican elected official who has publicly criticized McCain's choice of Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. "I don't believe she's qualified to be President of the United States," Hagel told me. "The first judgment a potential President makes is who their running mate is--and I don't think John made a very good selection." He scoffed at McCain's attempts to portray her as an experienced politician. "To try to make the excuse that she looks out her window and sees Russia--and that she's commander of the Alaska National Guard." He added, "There is no question that this candidate is arguably the thinnest-résumé candidate for Vice-President in the history of America."
The notion of "winning" in Iraq is a "failed way of thinking," Hagel said. "If we frame this as win or lose, we'll be there forever." He added that this logic is equally flawed with respect to Afghanistan. "I agree with Obama that we're going to have to put several more brigades in there," he told me. "But there is no military solution, so we have to be very careful that somehow we don't just ricochet out of Iraq into Afghanistan, with another hundred-and-fifty-thousand-troop buildup." According to Hagel, confronting the problems of Afghanistan requires an understanding of its internal politics, its narcotics trade, and its endemic corruption, as well as a regional diplomatic approach, involving Pakistan, India, and Iran.

McCain "thinks we just need more military," Hagel said. "I've talked to John about this many times. I've said, 'John, we're limited. We're doing tremendous damage to our Army and Marines, we can't sustain this.' "
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    Hagel has been a Democrat for a long time. Good riddance to him and Colin Powell.
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    Tim,
    I'm real familiar with Hagel. He is a Dem (Wolf) in sheep's clothing.
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      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      Tim,
      I'm real familiar with Hagel. He is a Dem (Wolf) in sheep's clothing.
      You obviously don't like to look at facts.
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    Tim,
    I'm not going to get into a silly argument, but I follow Republican politics pretty closely, and Hagel has not been a friend to the R party for quite some time now, anymore than Lieberman has been to the Dems.

    If you like him, fine (no surprise there).
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      It is only silly because Hagel has a conservative voting record practicly second to none and you say he is a Dem. THAT is silly. 95% voting for Bush! That is not a Democrat. LOL.

      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      Tim,
      I'm not going to get into a silly argument, but I follow Republican politics pretty closely, and Hagel has not been a friend to the R party for quite some time now, anymore than Lieberman has been to the Dems.

      If you like him, fine (no surprise there).
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    • Profile picture of the author pcalvert
      Many people seem to conveniently forget that Palin has some qualifications that Biden, McCain, and Obama all lack.

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        Originally Posted by pcalvert View Post

        Many people seem to conveniently forget that Palin has some qualifications that Biden, McCain, and Obama all lack.

        Phil
        Member of the PTA? Shooting Moose? Seeing Alaska?
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          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Member of the PTA? Shooting Moose? Seeing Alaska?
          For nearly two years now, Sarah Palin has been the Governor of Alaska, and before that she was the Mayor of Wasilla for two terms (1996 to 2002). As such, she has executive branch experience. Her ability to assume a leadership role has been clearly demonstrated.

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            Originally Posted by pcalvert View Post

            For nearly two years now, Sarah Palin has been the Governor of Alaska, and before that she was the Mayor of Wasilla for two terms (1996 to 2002). As such, she has executive branch experience. Her ability to assume a leadership role has been clearly demonstrated.

            Phil
            Wasilla had a population of 6,000 when she was mayor and she had to hire someone to help her. Alaska has less people than my hometown and within two years she was investigated and found guilty of abuse of power. She has been caught lying and can't answer simple questions. Yeh, she has "executive" experience, but it's not all that good.
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              Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

              Wasilla had a population of 6,000 when she was mayor and she had to hire someone to help her. Alaska has less people than my hometown and within two years she was investigated and found guilty of abuse of power. She has been caught lying and can't answer simple questions. Yeh, she has "executive" experience, but it's not all that good.
              Alaska is probably the most strategic State in the USA.
              Oil, major Missile Shield base, Russia at the front door,
              Canada at the back door, major strategic seaway, climate
              change aiding oil exploitation but damaging wilderness and
              lifestyle of native Alaskans and their archeology ... plus
              loads of nations claiming rights to big chunks of the Arctic etc.

              Are you content with Palin as a safe pair of hands as Governor
              of Alaska .... let alone VP of the USA ?????
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                Originally Posted by Mike Wright View Post

                Are you content with Palin as a safe pair of hands as Governor
                of Alaska .... let alone VP of the USA ?????
                Yes! I wish she were at the top of the ticket.
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                  Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

                  Yes! I wish she were at the top of the ticket.
                  LOL

                  the GOP has already booked a oneway "redeye" back to Alaska
                  for her ... or so we hear on UK TV News
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                  Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

                  Yes! I wish she were at the top of the ticket.

                  Ditto.

                  She's got a hell of a lot more Executive experience than Obama.

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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                No.

                Plus, I think now that people in her home state have learned more about her, if McCain/Palin don't win, she will have problems in Alaska. I predict she'll end up having her own show on Faux news. If they don't win.

                Originally Posted by Mike Wright View Post

                Alaska is probably the most strategic State in the USA.
                Oil, major Missile Shield base, Russia at the front door,
                Canada at the back door, major strategic seaway, climate
                change aiding oil exploitation but damaging wilderness and
                lifestyle of native Alaskans and their archeology ... plus
                loads of nations claiming rights to big chunks of the Arctic etc.

                Are you content with Palin as a safe pair of hands as Governor
                of Alaska .... let alone VP of the USA ?????
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    Okay, you get the prize.

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    No - she be a great shag.
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      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      Yes! I wish she were at the top of the ticket.
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      No - she be a great shag.

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      There you go again. Posting some dumb ass email that is pure BS. So gullible it's amazing.

      BTW, this statement is ridiculous:

      He's a thirty-year veteran of Washington politics and knows how to abuse the system for his own profit.
      Huh? You obviously don't know what you are talking about here either. Biden is widely known as one of the Senators with the lowest net worth. It's well below $1 milion. Hello.

      Also, Palin being dumb is not a good thing if she wins. She will be a blank slate. The Bush people are already telling her what to say and think on foreign policy and national issues. Just like Bush really. If you liked Bush you would love a Palin presidency.
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        "Also, Plain being dumb is not a good thing if she wins. She will be a blank slate. The Bush people are already telling her what to say and think on foreign policy and national issues. Just like Bush really. If you liked Bush you would love a Palin presidency."

        No no no lol, they just had Joe the Plumber onstage with the both of them. The backup idiot is already selected and on team
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Posted by Alan Peters at 3:40 PM
      ALAN PETERS: For many years involved with intelligence
      and security matters in Iran with significant access at
      top levels during the rule of the Shah, until early 1979.
      Currently an Iran SME (subject matter expert),
      analyst/commentator, and multi-linguist.
      Well, this gives me confidence in the subject matter.
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      What's the matter, Tim, can't accept the fact that your man may not be qualified for the job?
      I can't accept non facts that are passed as facts. And that's a fact.

      Did I ever say Biden HAS abused the system for his own profit? No, I said he knows how.
      Well, so what? He's had an opportunity for 36 years to abuse the system and has been pretty damn clean. He's practically poor by Senators standards. So, I wouldn't be worried about abusing the system when it comes to Biden. Now, P-A-L-I-N is something else. She was already found GUILTY of abuse of power in less than 2 years as Governor.
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    Biden is real "generous" too!
    Biden gave average of $369 to charity a year - USATODAY.com
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      Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

      and your point is...?
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        Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

        and your point is...?
        That Biden doesn't care about the "little" people he likes to talk about so much. Understand now?
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          Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

          That Biden doesn't care about the "little" people he likes to talk about so much. Understand now?
          Ok so if you don't give half of your income to someone else - you don't care about people?
          Can you tell me what you smoke? I want some of it too...
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            Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

            Ok so if you don't give half of your income to someone else - you don't care about people?
            Can you tell me what you smoke? I want some of it too...
            No one said anything about half of his income, but $300? Do you really think he is generous?
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              Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

              No one said anything about half of his income, but $300? Do you really think he is generous?
              He is careful with his money

              ... on a serious note - O couldn't care less how much any of these candidates makes and how much they give to charity... mostly because whatever they give out to charity they'll get MOST of it back in tax credits...
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                Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

                He is careful with his money

                ... on a serious note - O couldn't care less how much any of these candidates makes and how much they give to charity... mostly because whatever they give out to charity they'll get MOST of it back in tax credits...
                Well, you should care. These guys have no problems taking my money and giving it out to other people, but they won't voluntarily give of their own personal money.

                In other words, Biden is real generous when it comes to taking from my wallet, but not when it comes to giving from his own.
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Good one, Barry, oh and Tim, that's a FACT.

      And how do you know that what Alan Peters says in that email is NOT fact? Did you run everything through your truth-o-meter or something or are you just making wild assumptions again...as usual?
      It's not a fact. I use common sense. You should try it some time.

      FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        It's not a fact. I use common sense. You should try it some time.

        FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
        Now watch the McCain supporters come up with the following ideas:
        - FactCheck belongs to Obama
        - FactCheck belongs to Obama supporters
        - FactCheck is not as credible as Youtube...
        - ... [enter your own ridiculous theory here]...
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      Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

      Now watch the McCain supporters come up with the following ideas:
      - FactCheck belongs to Obama
      - FactCheck belongs to Obama supporters
      - FactCheck is not as credible as Youtube...
      - ... [enter your own ridiculous theory here]...
      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      FactCheck.org, Tim? Oh, please! That's Annenberg and suspicious from the get go:

      "...as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers's radical views..."

      Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown? by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online=

      Perhaps you, Tim, should use a little common sense instead of posting stuff from Annenberg, which is clearly going to support Barack Obama and twist the facts around to suit him!

      Annenberg and Obama, might as well be one and the same! (Did you honestly think I wouldn't be able to make the connection?)

      There is TOO MUCH question about Obama's place and time of birth, and until these questions are answered and Obama releases his college thesis and comes clean instead of trying to hide everything he can think of, he does not deserve to be President!

      Assuming he even qualifies!

      But I guess the FACT that he may not be a natural citizen of the United States, and therefore ineligible to become President is something you would consider to be nit-picking...

      Funny how you can conveniently ignore things to suit yourself.

      But then again, what's new? :rolleyes:
      See, that didn't take long now, did it?
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        What makes me laugh is that all these folks think they are smartest in the world. They obviously believe that the senate, the US government in whole is so STUPID that they let someone (who is not qualified) to run for presidency...

        Come on folks, you truly believe that everyone is dumb? (except you and the lunatic who came up with such theory and made it public on FOX... oh wait, FOX? that rings another bell...)

        Then, If I was in Obama's place - I would certainly NOT show my personal documents to these people, I would find it very insulting and simply ridiculously funny. Heck, I wouldn't show the documents just so I could see another nut go on Fox news and tell people about it
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      LOL. Well, I suppose Annenburg could have supported Obama, except for one small detail: She is supporting McCain! haha.

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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Perhaps you, Tim, should use a little common sense instead of posting stuff from Annenberg, which is clearly going to support Barack Obama and twist the facts around to suit him!

      Annenberg and Obama, might as well be one and the same! (Did you honestly think I wouldn't be able to make the connection?)
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    Tim, I told you so :rolleyes:
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      Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

      Tim, I told you so :rolleyes:
      Yeh, good call on that one. Of course I could post the sky is blue, but if someone gets an email saying it's green, they will believe it. :-)
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          Originally Posted by nico52 View Post

          Why doesn't anyone talk about Baracks running mate, Joe Biden, saying that Obama is not qualified to run this country during a debate?

          Why doesn't that clip get shown more?

          Oh ya, ever single news station (besides Fox) is so blatantly for Obama it is unreal. Then all Democrats get all defensive because 1 (yes 1) station has some bias for the other side.

          Adam
          Actually I don't watch a lot of tv but I have seen many stations besides Fox that appear to be promoting the McCain candidate.
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          Its all irrelevant now as in the traditional American manner all
          the remaining big hitters and those who have been hedging their
          bets are now jumping aboard the winning team and dumping the
          losing one.

          Happened to the Democrats last time ... now its the Republicans
          turn to get dumped. Fact of the American way of doing things.
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      Originally Posted by espacecadet View Post

      Actually, Alex, if Obama truly wants the job, he should provide conclusive proof as to his U.S. citizenship instead of trying to pass off some fictionalized and doctored birth certificate.

      Rather than continually avoiding the questions, why doesn't he grow a pair and face them head-on and get it over and done with?

      Because he has something to hide.

      And it's not like he's applying for manager at McDonalds. He wants to be President of the United States!

      If he wants to put a stop to these lingering questions, why doesn't he just come clean?

      The truth would do him in, that's why.

      And, no, I don't watch Fox News.
      I understand your opinion but as I posted in the other reply, do you truly believe that everyone in US government is so DUMB to let a guy run for presidency when he has no legal right to? Think about it...
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        Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

        I understand your opinion but as I posted in the other reply, do you truly believe that everyone in US government is so DUMB to let a guy run for presidency when he has no legal right to? Think about it...
        Sadly the dumbing down of America has been going on for years now.
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    She is only going to president if McCain Dies, Obama has almost no experience and he will be president on day one if he should win. At least Palin could grow into the job under McCain. Unlike Obama who will be thrust into the job with little to no experience!

    And actually Palin has more executive experience the Obama, hell even Bidens recent remarks hinted at Obamas lack of experience!
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      Originally Posted by captivereef View Post

      She is only going to president if McCain Dies, Obama has almost no experience and he will be president on day one if he should win. At least Palin could grow into the job under McCain. Unlike Obama who will be thrust into the job with little to no experience!

      And actually Palin has more executive experience the Obama, hell even Bidens recent remarks hinted at Obamas lack of experience!

      NOBODY has expereience being president until they are elected and sworn in.

      Palin has experience running a corrupt system, if that's what you mean.
      Troopergate.
      Watching her continual lying actually almost made me want to go confront her about her lies since she is speaking in my area tomorrow night.But I won't
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      What matters are the voters. It appears the voters have taken a good, long, hard look at Palin and don't like what they see. 59%!

      On the other hand, the voters have looked at Obama for almost two years and the more they see and hear him the more they like what they see and hear. Even with all the Faux smears. ;-)
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        What matters are the voters. It appears the voters have taken a good, long, hard look at Palin and don't like what they see. 59%!
        Reread your original post - 59% of Democratic voters...

        On the other hand, the voters have looked at Obama for almost two years and the more they see and hear him the more they like what they see and hear. Even with all the Faux smears. ;-)
        So that's why the race for the White House ihas tightened and some polls now show McCain leading?

        Seems to me that people are starting to NOT like what they see. Obama's cone of secrecy has started to crack.

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          Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

          Reread your original post - 59% of Democratic voters...
          Maybe you should. It's not just Democrats. That's what makes this poll a story.

          So that's why the race for the White House ihas tightened and some polls now show McCain leading?

          Seems to me that people are starting to NOT like what they see. Obama's cone of secrecy has started to crack.

          John
          Some polls show McCain leading? I haven't seen one, unless it's the Faux news poll where the ditto heads call in to vote.
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Some polls show McCain leading? I haven't seen one, unless it's the Faux news poll where the ditto heads call in to vote.
            Do you honestly believe the NY Times is less biased than Fox News?
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              Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

              Do you honestly believe the NY Times is less biased than Fox News?
              Not necessarily. But, they both do legit polls. The call in ones aren't legit though, whether it's on Fox or CNN.
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            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Some polls show McCain leading? I haven't seen one, unless it's the Faux news poll where the ditto heads call in to vote.
            A new Rasmussen Poll shows that more Americans believe John McCain is better on economic issues that Senator Obama.
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              Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

              A new Rasmussen Poll shows that more Americans believe John McCain is better on economic issues that Senator Obama.
              I figured you couldn't find a poll that showed him ahead. Typical.
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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                I figured you couldn't find a poll that showed him ahead. Typical.
                Rasmussen lied?
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                Even former SoS Eagleburger says Palin is not ready. I mean, can you imagine if Democrats were saying this stuff about Biden?

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                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  Even former SoS Eagleburger says Palin is not ready. I mean, can you imagine if Democrats were saying this stuff about Biden?


                  Biden said it about Obama and so did Hillary and others...

                  You missed the dems attacking each other during the primary season?
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                • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  I mean, can you imagine if Democrats were saying this stuff about Biden?
                  They don't need to -- he does it for himself!

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                    Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

                    They don't need to -- he does it for himself!

                    YouTube - Obama and Biden Gaffes
                    And I could post bush, McCain and Palin gaffes, but I'd bring the server down.
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                    Oh please. If we want to go gaffes against gaffes it's no contest. You don't want to go there Barry. lol. We can take just about any interview and Palin looks like she is out of her league. And McCain is looking more and more like Grandpa Simpson everyday. LOL.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Barry Davis
                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      Oh please. If we want to go gaffes against gaffes it's no contest. You don't want to go there Barry. lol. We can take just about any interview and Palin looks like she is out of her league. And McCain is looking more and more like Grandpa Simpson everyday. LOL.
                      Actually, Palin comes across as the most intelligent of the bunch by a long shot.
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                      • Profile picture of the author KimW
                        Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

                        Actually, Palin comes across as the most intelligent of the bunch by a long shot.
                        not that is REALLY scary!!
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                    Originally Posted by Barry Davis View Post

                    They don't need to -- he does it for himself!

                    YouTube - Obama and Biden Gaffes
                    ROFL - Obama makes Biden look mild in comparison. I really chuckled when Obama talked about "Bush's fourth term". LMAO

                    That was very funny - Thanks Barry.

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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                I figured you couldn't find a poll that showed him ahead. Typical.
                Besides the Rasmussen poll several days ago, there other polls show extreme tightening to statistical ties.

                Better yet...
                • Yesterdays Zogby poll showed McCain leading by 2%
                • Todays Pew poll of likely voters shows McCain leading by 1%.
                I wonder what this means?

                A McCain presidency!

                Regards,

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      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem...

      Yawn!
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      • Profile picture of the author TE2
        An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.


        It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem as abusive, sexist, racist, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it.
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          ,Palin comes across as the most intelligent of the bunch by a long shot.
          not that is REALLY scary!!
          What's really scary is people thinking she is qualified to be VP when she doesn't have a clue as to what the job is.

          Biden said it about Obama and so did Hillary and others...

          You missed the dems attacking each other during the primary season?
          Now that's flat out funny.
          During the primaries the Republicans where doing the same thing.
          In fact both parties do that during every primary.
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          Originally Posted by TE2 View Post

          An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.


          It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem as abusive, sexist, racist, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it.
          Actually my post was just in response to the other gaff post. Why is it funny when its on one side but an attack when on the other?
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