Rebuild Humanity: December 22, 2012 - The Day After

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December 22, 2012 - The Day After

There's a group of 12 other people on a sinking boat and they are the only survivors of the 12/12/2012 Doomsday. There is only one way for human survival and that's a raft that will only hold 4 people.

You have been "chosen by a higher being" to pick 4 out of the 12 people that will live on. Your mission is to repopulate the planet, selecting the people you feel will give humanity the best chance of survival.

Due to genetic diversity, you must select 2 men and 2 woman, as this is the smallest combination that can provide the genetic diversity needed assuming they are not related and that careful planning is used (plus getting lucky with the sexes of the newborns).

Below is all you know.

The men: (Select 2)

Dr. Stan - He's smart, educated, healthy and a very good doctor and surgeon. He combines high IQ, wisdom, education, compasion and experience.But he's 72 years old.

Bob - He's 25, ex military special forces, in great physical shape and a survival expert. But has severe Post Traumatic Stress and is emotionally very unstable.

Jack - He is 52, out of shape and over-weight. Has asthma and diabetes, but is a mechanical and electrical genius and can build all sorts of stuff out of left-over junk.

Hank - Is a 40 year old guy, not real smart, but is an excellent 4th generation farmer/rancher and has a real green thumb and ability to work with animals. But he has severe arthritis that will slowly disable him over the next 20 years.

Ted - 29, in ave shape, ave health, ave IQ, but has no skills other than air guitar and has been unemployed and living in his Mom's basement his whole life.

Alex - He's 44, smart, healthy and a good all-around "handy-man" with great carpentry skills. He's also a very skilled hunter and an expert with man-made tools and skills used for hunting. And he's the prime suspect in a murder case that involved the killing his business partner in a jealous rage due to a dispute over an alleged affair with Alex's wife, but it was never proven Alex was the actual killer.


The women: (Select 2)

Molly - She's a botanist and specializes in the use of plants, including herbal remedies, edibles, building supplies and other uses. She's 40, an excellent mother and has already had 6 kids (none survived the disaster).

Britney - She's a typical, average 9 year old girl.

Michele - She's heathy, very smart, was a navigator in the Coast Guard and is well-educated in all forms of navigation (maps, stars, etc), 22, never had kids, but lost both her legs in a car accident and is dependant upon two artificial limbs, but gets around very well.

Nancy - She's a great nurse, in pretty good health, but is slowly losing her sight due to a genetic disease she may pass on to her children. She's 33, and never had kids.

Betty - Good looking, good, healthy body, 25, but she's dumb as a rock with an "airhead" memory. She's had two kids (both died in the disaster).

Debby - She's 29, very smart and in very good health and an excellent seamstress and close maker, but she's a pathological liar and clepto.

Assume all are fertile at this point in time, except for Britney the 9 year old...

Who do you put in the raft?
  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    I would pick myself and three of the ... err healthiest women. Why would I ever think someone else's DNA would be better for the survival of our species than my own? Geesh!
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    • Profile picture of the author romolo
      I am with Matt, sorry I don't see any other man fit for purpose, but I do see women which are pretty good, so I'll stick with one man and three women, that will be allot more fun I think... hihihi :p
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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

      I would pick myself and three of the ... err healthiest women. Why would I ever think someone else's DNA would be better for the survival of our species than my own? Geesh!
      It took one poster to not follow the rules.

      BTW, using your sstrategy, how would the next generation mate? They'd all have your genes, and they'd have a high risk of birth defects, plus no genetic diversity to help protect against disease.

      Careful DNA playing is needed to prevent a population of defective, banjo-playing mongoloids. Like I said in my OP, you need at least 2 males and 2 females.

      Plus, I put some effort into the personalies, don't be lazy and say the "3 healthiest". Who are the 3 healthiest?

      But to answser your question as to why another's DNA is better than your own: You're dead. Reread the part about "higher being" asking you to choose. I assumed everyone will chose themselves, which is why I added that part to the OP.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by mattlaclear View Post

        I would pick myself and three of the ... err healthiest women. Why would I ever think someone else's DNA would be better for the survival of our species than my own? Geesh!
        Originally Posted by romolo View Post

        I am with Matt, sorry I don't see any other man fit for purpose, but I do see women which are pretty good, so I'll stick with one man and three women, that will be allot more fun I think... hihihi :p
        Neither of you would make it. You've just doomed humanity. Plus you can't read directions. Epic fail.

        PS...Who's going to have sex with your daughters? You or your sons (their brother)?
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        • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
          Bob - Because he's got the survival skills, and will feel better when his skills come to use.

          Debby - Because she's got some good skills too, and since she's a good liar, she can tell Bob what he needs to hear when he freaks out.

          Britney - Because children are the future

          Molly - Because of her skills, and she will be able to take care of Britney and the others. She will also supply Bob with all the herbs he needs to function.

          Bob and Debby need to get a boy child as soon as possible, so that the age difference between this boy and Britney won't be too large.

          If Bob doesn't want to do his part, Debby will just have to use her clepto skills to get what she needs to have children while Bob is asleep from the herbs given to him by Molly.

          EDIT: I'm sure I've seen something like this on Big Brother.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Their individual skill sets mean very little compared to their DNA.
            I see it differently. I would avoid the PTSD, asthma and diabetes. Mchele would be my first female choice but there would be no replacement legs available which could be a problem in time. I would also avoid the the liar as that could indicate mental instability.

            I also think a farmer and a botanist would have better understanding of selective breeding - and that's would be needed.

            It's important both women and both men be able to reproduce to create a healthy new line - but they have to survive first. Age of the men is not as important as they can still reproduce.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Molly, Betty, me, Hank
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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I see it differently. I would avoid the PTSD, asthma and diabetes. Mchele would be my first female choice but there would be no replacement legs available which could be a problem in time. I would also avoid the the liar as that could indicate mental instability.

              I also think a farmer and a botanist would have better understanding of selective breeding - and that's would be needed.

              It's important both women and both men be able to reproduce to create a healthy new line - but they have to survive first. Age of the men is not as important as they can still reproduce.
              Yeah, new parts WOULD be a problem. BUT, like you, I looked at a lot of the genetic things. As for age of the men, things are getting less sure there. Fertility has DROPPED. Also, at 70+, you never know what could go wrong.

              As for botanists, etc... you don't have much of a choice on selection. Some diseases could take at least 2 generations to appear, and they may be OBSCURE. And you have to determine if a problem is genetic, incidental, or environmental. Diabetes is a good example. If you can find several SWEET fruits and bland vegetables, etc... and see a pattern there, you could SUSPECT diabetes, but it still might not be definite. Heck, doctors today probably just tell you it is SUSPECTED. They generally want blood tests.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Hank - Alex - Molly - Britney

        Farming, ability to fix/build/hunt, knowledge of plants/herbs, and the child to ensure continuation of the species and because she will be the most adaptable to a new environment.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Hank - Alex - Molly - Britney

          Farming, ability to fix/build/hunt, knowledge of plants/herbs, and the child to ensure continuation of the species and because she will be the most adaptable to a new environment.
          Wow...same picks as me. Does that mean we think alike? :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Great minds - small circles???

            I think we focused on the same thoughts - rebuilding the human race and good DNA are fine and good - but first the original four people must survive. Without that - the species is defunct.

            Wouldn't it be a kick if both men could only father daughters? Oops - whole plan falls apart.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Wow...same picks as me. Does that mean we think alike? :confused:
            Same four picks here, too. I did debate over potentially including Michele, but Molly's botanical skill is too important.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              Same four picks here, too. I did debate over potentially including Michele, but Molly's botanical skill is too important.
              Yeah, well THAT figures since you're probably my fricken clone.

              Except my hair is a lot shorter than yours NOW...BUT you should have
              seen my high school graduation photo.

              Would have scared the crap out of you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Bjarne Eldhuset
                No matter who is chosen, I bet they'll have a crappy Christmas
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  both Ted & Betty and Hank & Molly
                  But that's not how you would do it. Wouldn't it be healthier for future generations if the pairing changed when a child had been produced?

                  Ted/Betty
                  Hank/Betty
                  Ted/Molly
                  Hank/Molly

                  No space in that group for monogamy - genes need to be mixed for the good of future generations.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Women: Molly and Michelle
        Men: Hank and Bob

        The men were a harder choice.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        It took one poster to not follow the rules.

        BTW, using your sstrategy, how would the next generation mate? They'd all have your genes, and they'd have a high risk of birth defects, plus no genetic diversity to help protect against disease.

        Careful DNA playing is needed to prevent a population of defective, banjo-playing mongoloids. Like I said in my OP, you need at least 2 males and 2 females.

        Plus, I put some effort into the personalies, don't be lazy and say the "3 healthiest". Who are the 3 healthiest?

        But to answser your question as to why another's DNA is better than your own: You're dead. Reread the part about "higher being" asking you to choose. I assumed everyone will chose themselves, which is why I added that part to the OP.
        I would choose:

        Women: Molly and Michelle, britany may also be a good choice.
        Men: Hank and myself

        WHY MYSELF? TWO reasons:

        1. Bob is emotionally unstable and could be a problem.
        2. ****BECAUSE**** I am the only one that can talk to that higher being! 8-)

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        • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          I would choose:

          Women: Molly and Michelle, britany may also be a good choice.
          Men: Hank and myself

          WHY MYSELF? TWO reasons:

          1. Bob is emotionally unstable and could be a problem.
          2. ****BECAUSE**** I am the only one that can talk to that higher being! 8-)

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  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    Oh so sorry. I was just getting into the idea of a boat trip with three babes. But given your logic I dont' think throwing an extra male into the mix is going to protect the dna pool either. But since I was the first one to break the rules let me answer appropriately now. Their individual skill sets mean very little compared to their DNA. So I would choose Betty and Debby and the amount of fertile years they have in front of them. The fact that one is a liar makes little difference as she will have very little to lie about with just four people in the boat. The airhead would be fine too as long as she could cook and take care of the children. As far as the men go I would select Alex for his hunting and carpentry skills. The fact that he is a suspected murderer would not come into play as jealous rages are not likely to be passed on to the genes of his offspring. Plus who will he have to get jealous over? Plus I would go with Ted as he has no obvious genetic disorders and will likely become more productive as he begins building society again. Final answer!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Anyone physically ill has to be ruled out because they probably won't last long - I'm surprised that an asthmatic and diabetic has actually lived this long. Nancy's disease is genetic and will be passed - do we need to start over with genetic failures? Not a good idea. Molly is already 40. That makes her high risk for birth even if she's still fertile.

    Bob - young, survival training - that will cover a LOT. Survival trained might be the only way the group survives later. They will need someone who knows this stuff, at least at first.

    Alex - another nut case but they will need the tools he can provide. He's also got a solid IQ - something that will insure that the babies are a bit smart, too. If they have no evidence he killed, he might not have - his other skills will be necessary to survive for the now.

    Michelle - they are going in a raft, they might not make it anywhere without a navigator. She's physically disabled, but the lack of legs actually will allow her more stamina as oxygen won't need to feed her legs. If one or both is lost, she can still move by walking on her hands. She is young - her defect isn't a genetic one, and she can probably provide several more children than the older women. Plus - she'll also have extra skill sets learned in the Guard that will be useful if something happens to Bob. You don't need fancy skills now - you need food, shelter, and as hospitable as a climate you can find. What good is the other stuff without generators for electric. I'm assuming that grid is out. Water grid will be out too, so someone has to know how to purify water -- Both Bob and Michelle will know those skills.

    Debbie. Lying probably won't get them killed right away. Once getting settled and in a daily pattern, it could. But I think she'll be scared enough right now to behave long enough to be of help for now and drop a few kids. She is young enough to have several without complication.
    The little girl would be actually a detriment to the survival of the rest. She'll need caring for, educating in some useful field or skill, and has to survive at least another 7 years or so to safely start breeding. The other two women are still young enough to have a few quickly - and we have 4 people left -- we aren't wanting to look too far into the future to begin a posterity.

    The bimbo with the bad memory is a liablity. Period. This is one time you don't want stupid anywhere near you. Stupid people in emergencies are good at getting others killed, too.

    Once these guys get in their raft I should think they should be looking to find something that they can use for a second raft and go back and get the others out of whatever's going on as in ASAP - cruise the shoreline till you find something. If the others HAVE to keep moving and can do so, Tell which direction they are headed (hopefully down river) so if the boaters find floatila they can go back and get the rest. The ones in the boat are most likely to be able to accomplish this task most quickly.

    If someone can tell me what skills playing Air Guitar could give a person....I might consider switching Alex for Ted.
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  • Profile picture of the author James_Harkin
    Personally if I had to choose, I'd choose:

    Ted - 29, in ave shape, ave health, ave IQ, but has no skills other than air guitar and has been unemployed and living in his Mom's basement his whole life.

    Betty - Good looking, good, healthy body, 25, but she's dumb as a rock with an "airhead" memory. She's had two kids (both died in the disaster).

    and

    Hank - Is a 40 year old guy, not real smart, but is an excellent 4th generation farmer/rancher and has a real green thumb and ability to work with animals. But he has severe arthritis that will slowly disable him over the next 20 years.

    Molly - She's a botanist and specializes in the use of plants, including herbal remedies, edibles, building supplies and other uses. She's 40, an excellent mother and has already had 6 kids (none survived the disaster).

    The 2 forty year olds are healthy enough to have children, and they have expertise that will restart civilisation. Farming is the most important skill in order to grow food. Herbal medicine is important to keep fit and healthy. Hank can teach Ted farming techniques. Molly can raise the children born by both Ted & Betty and Hank & Molly and can also teach Betty parenting and herbal remedies, etc.

    If you look into the work of Edmund Marriage, he says civilisation was restarted around 5,000 years ago after one of many cataclysms. Civilisation was restarted with the help of our galactic brothers and sisters and they were farmers.
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