GMO crops - what are you eating?

by HeySal
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The following link will take you to one of the best documentaries I have seen for explaining what is going on with GMO foods. If you are a creature who ingests food to survive, you need to take the time to kick back and watch this. You're eating habits will never be the same.

Video Interview with Jeffrey Smith author of Seeds of Deception.
  • Profile picture of the author ConcordeWarrior
    I am a hard core anti GMO activist.

    I always make sure that there is no GMO in my food. Most people do not care, a lot of them are convinced that there is no danger to eating GMO food.

    I let them think what they want. I don't want to eat GMO.

    Muck Monsanto!
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by ConcordeWarrior View Post

      I am a hard core anti GMO activist.

      I always make sure that there is no GMO in my food. Most people do not care, a lot of them are convinced that there is no danger to eating GMO food.

      I let them think what they want. I don't want to eat GMO.

      Muck Monsanto!

      Yeah, well look at most people - they are sick, flabby to fat with pasty complexions and cupboards so full of pharms that they are barely what can be considered lucid most of the time.

      The people you see who are robust, toned musculature, mentally sharp, and rarely even think of going to a doctor......don't care to have GMO as part of their diets.

      When people tell me I am sick in the head over something....it only takes one look to be able to say "well, at least it's only in MY mind."
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  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
    I was doing more research on Agenda 21 and found this old thread. Clicked the link but no video found.

    Then I searched for it and found this article:

    http: + //www.naturalnews.com/028718_YouTube_censorship.html

    Then I found this:

    http: + //topdocumentaryfilms.com/seeds-of-freedom/

    And then finally found the interview here:

    http: + //www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPePUJyJ6yc

    This stuff is still going on so why not bring this thread back to life

    Grant
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Grant, I have an appointment in 2 weeks with my congressman who sits on the Ag. committee just to discuss GMO's and Monsanto.
      I'm going to talk about labeling a little and the health aspects a little more, but my main focus will be on the growing of them and their effects on the soil, water, and air and other farmers and crops.
      I even broke down and bought a printer so I can bring him "handouts"
      In all the research I've done, I've found that gmo's pose the biggest threat to our food supply, environment, and health that we have ever faced.
      Here's an example of what's to come GMO alert: Eating GM wheat may destroy your liver, warn scientists
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      • Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Grant, I have an appointment in 2 weeks with my congressman who sits on the Ag. committee just to discuss GMO's and Monsanto.
        I'm going to talk about labeling a little and the health aspects a little more, but my main focus will be on the growing of them and their effects on the soil, water, and air and other farmers and crops.
        I even broke down and bought a printer so I can bring him "handouts"
        In all the research I've done, I've found that gmo's pose the biggest threat to our food supply, environment, and health that we have ever faced.
        Here's an example of what's to come GMO alert: Eating GM wheat may destroy your liver, warn scientists
        My concerns are, not only healthwise, which carry it's own dangerous ramifications, but it also seems wrong to give someone or a corporation the right to 'patent' a GMO, and grant legal protection and control to what should probably be considered a 'natural food' substance that is subject to the winds of nature, and legal recourse if someone refuses to 'tow' their line, and not use their seed, fertilizer, etc. - it gives them the same protection a pharmaceutical has, without allowing room for a 'generic' alternative - am I misguided in this thought?
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          My concerns are, not only healthwise, which carry it's own dangerous ramifications, but it also seems wrong to give someone or a corporation the right to 'patent' a GMO, and grant legal protection and control to what should probably be considered a 'natural food' substance that is subject to the winds of nature, and legal recourse if someone refuses to 'tow' their line, and not use their seed, fertilizer, etc. - it gives them the same protection a pharmaceutical has, without allowing room for a 'generic' alternative - am I misguided in this thought?
          One of my arguing points will be if they are different enough to warrant a patent, then why aren't they different enough to require a label?
          It's the patent thing that poses one of the biggest threats to our food supply.
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      • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Grant, I have an appointment in 2 weeks with my congressman who sits on the Ag. committee just to discuss GMO's and Monsanto.
        I'm going to talk about labeling a little and the health aspects a little more, but my main focus will be on the growing of them and their effects on the soil, water, and air and other farmers and crops.
        I even broke down and bought a printer so I can bring him "handouts"
        In all the research I've done, I've found that gmo's pose the biggest threat to our food supply, environment, and health that we have ever faced.
        Here's an example of what's to come GMO alert: Eating GM wheat may destroy your liver, warn scientists
        You may already know about this.. saw some handouts about environmental extremes on this site that may help:

        Agenda 21 | American Policy Center

        Down at the bottom of that page are PDF's you can print out and give away.

        Funny.. I didn't care about this stuff several years ago.. but I knew a little about some of these things way before that.. but never took any action.

        Considering starting a website about this, and doing what you're doing, but that area is new to me as well.. "Graphic Designer for 13 years turns Anti-Agenda 21 Activist.

        I've contacted a few of our reps here via email but get the form-mail bs. Time to go for a visit and make some dents.

        Go getem' ThomM

        Grant
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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Originally Posted by GrantFreeman View Post

          You may already know about this.. saw some handouts about environmental extremes on this site that may help:

          Agenda 21 | American Policy Center

          Down at the bottom of that page are PDF's you can print out and give away.

          Funny.. I didn't care about this stuff several years ago.. but I knew a little about some of these things way before that.. but never took any action.

          Considering starting a website about this, and doing what you're doing, but that area is new to me as well.. "Graphic Designer for 13 years turns Anti-Agenda 21 Activist.

          I've contacted a few of our reps here via email but get the form-mail bs. Time to go for a visit and make some dents.

          Go getem' ThomM

          Grant
          I've heard about it in passing, but this is the first I actually read a little about it(agenda 21 that is).
          That's a different dog in a different fight for now.
          It took 7 months of emails, phone calls, and finally an assault on his FB page, before I got my congressman's aide to finally forward an email to him. I think his aides just got tired of putting up with me
          In that email I briefly touched on the health and agricultural aspects of gmo's and went into a little detail of my background and education in agriculture, soil and plant science, and even nutrition. I also went into Tom Vilsacks (heads USDA) and Micheal Taylors (heads food safety at FDA) connections with Monsanto.
          I was actually surprised to get a call from his office to set up a meeting.
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  • Sorry Sal, I don't know what you guys are seeing, but when I click on the link provided I get "Restoration Hardware's New, Four-Legged Job Killer" on a blog called "Fear Less' :confused:

    There is a Monsanto GMO story below, but it is about prop 37 - no vdo re: 'seeds of deception'...the only video is titled "Would You Call My Child A Retard?"
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  • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
    ThomM,

    From what I understand the GMO thing is just a smart sub topic of the bigger plan.

    http: + //www.un.org/documents/ga/res/spec/aress19-2.htm

    Consider item 62 under "Land and sustainable agriculture".

    The huge paragraph talks about the need to get the most from agriculture. It's not a DIRECT link to Monsanto, but it fits right in to the UN's plan to preserve & populate nature, and DE populate humankind.

    Maybe that will lead you somewhere more useful.

    Grant
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Sustainable agriculture has been around for years and is smart farming. What Monsanto does IS NOT substainable agriculture no matter what their web site says.
      The only thing substainable about their form of agriculture is their profits and those will only last so long.
      What I'm working on at my home is basically substainable agri. on a small scale.
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      • Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Sustainable agriculture has been around for years and is smart farming. What Monsanto does IS NOT substainable agriculture no matter what their web site says.
        The only thing substainable about their form of agriculture is their profits and those will only last so long.
        What I'm working on at my home is basically substainable agri. on a small scale.
        I think what Monsanto means by "sustainable agriculture", is agriculture that provides them with a "sustainable income"...
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        • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
          Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

          I think what Monsanto means by "sustainable agriculture", is agriculture that provides them with a "sustainable income"...
          Lol. Ya.

          Sustainable agriculture, and smart agriculture are the same thing and from the same agenda. Just as sustainable cities are the same as smart cities.

          When enough good people catch on, they come up with new fluffy sounding words to re-hide the truth.

          Grant
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      Originally Posted by GrantFreeman View Post

      ThomM,

      From what I understand the GMO thing is just a smart sub topic of the bigger plan.

      http: + //www.un.org/documents/ga/res/spec/aress19-2.htm

      Consider item 62 under "Land and sustainable agriculture".

      The huge paragraph talks about the need to get the most from agriculture. It's not a DIRECT link to Monsanto, but it fits right in to the UN's plan to preserve & populate nature, and DE populate humankind.

      Maybe that will lead you somewhere more useful.

      Grant
      Yeah \-- that would pull us out of the extinction. Stupid move, huh?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I have a somewhat different view of genetically modified foods (but no more tolerance for Monsanto than anyone else here).

      I think the same thing that is happening in the envioronmental area is the problem with developing genetically modified foods that do increase crop production and reduce spoilage, etc.

      We've lost the connection of using science to find answers - or in trying changes to see where they lead.

      Instead, we look only for how it can be monetized. The almighty buck conquers all and is the end goal for any scientific achievement or discovery.

      Down here we have wetlands mitigation/replacement and other fancy words for destroying natural resources. In theory, a developer can destroy a natural wetland as long as he replaces it with a "wetland" in a different area. In practice, coastal wetlands were destroyed to build money making buildings and pour more concrete - and nothing much was done when the "replacement" was a hole with water in it somewhere. Oh - except for the total destruction of the living ecosystem of that wetland area. Recently the rules have been tightened - but only after years of wetlands destruction and damage that became so apparent no one could ignore it.

      We have carbon credits that have created all sorts of perks on Wall Street - and now we have credits involved with "alternative energy production" being bought and sold. None are designed to do much more than make money even though that's not how the regulations for them are written.

      GMO is the same - it has potential that could improve food supplies. But that potential is being wasted by allowing the processes to be patented and pirated for cold, hard cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I have a somewhat different view of genetically modified foods (but no more tolerance for Monsanto than anyone else here).

        I think the same thing that is happening in the envioronmental area is the problem with developing genetically modified foods that do increase crop production and reduce spoilage, etc.

        We've lost the connection of using science to find answers - or in trying changes to see where they lead.

        Instead, we look only for how it can be monetized. The almighty buck conquers all and is the end goal for any scientific achievement or discovery.

        Down here we have wetlands mitigation/replacement and other fancy words for destroying natural resources. In theory, a developer can destroy a natural wetland as long as he replaces it with a "wetland" in a different area. In practice, coastal wetlands were destroyed to build money making buildings and pour more concrete - and nothing much was done when the "replacement" was a hole with water in it somewhere. Oh - except for the total destruction of the living ecosystem of that wetland area. Recently the rules have been tightened - but only after years of wetlands destruction and damage that became so apparent no one could ignore it.

        We have carbon credits that have created all sorts of perks on Wall Street - and now we have credits involved with "alternative energy production" being bought and sold. None are designed to do much more than make money even though that's not how the regulations for them are written.

        GMO is the same - it has potential that could improve food supplies. But that potential is being wasted by allowing the processes to be patented and pirated for cold, hard cash.
        What do you think genetically engineered crops are doing?
        They not only destroy the soils from the extra pesticides used on them but also the water from the run off and drifting of those chemicals.
        Kay if you live in the Mississippi River basin, then every drop of water you see, feel (rain) and drink contains Glyphosate in it, thanks to gmo's.
        What good is a crop that has been engineered to resist spoilage when it has the nutritional value of cardboard?
        You can't be for gmo's and for saving the environment and nature.
        As gmo's are unnatural and defiantly not environmentally friendly.
        So far the only gmo that has actually shown increased production is the Bt corn and even then it is because of the strain of corn they developed (naturally) and not because of the toxin it has in it.

        Then you have the issue of pollen from g.e. crops drifting onto non g.e. crops resulting in the destruction and contamination of the gene pool.
        Your statement may of been on the mark 30 years ago when genetic engineering of our foods was still in it's infancy. But today it has been proven over and over that there is no safe future with genetically engineering foods.
        There isn't any potential to improve food supplies with gmo's.
        That has been proven time and time again since the Flavr Savr tomato was first sold in 1994.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I'm not arguing FOR GMOs as they are today - but for what they could be in the future. That potential may be lost because of the way they are being abused and monetized and the public reaction resulting from damage of GMOS...as they are today.

          It wasn't that many years ago that there was an outcry over the concept of alternative human genes - but today we know some issues for people can be solved and problems prevented with gene alteration. The science of DNA is moving rapidly in part because it was not halted by corporations claiming ownership of it.

          There is potential for creating drought resistant crops, insect resistant crops (that won't require chemicals to be used) and even modification that breaks down the used plant into a substance that will enrich the soil.

          We aren't there yet - and that's what concerns me. I can see the potential but we may not realize it because of corporate greed and govt kowtowing to big-money lobbyists for donations.

          GMOs should have been kept in the laboratory until long term testing and full results could be assessed. That didn't happen because "ownership" was allowed.

          I'm not a GMO expert in any way - but these are my own conclusions after reading so much about the problems, the businesses involved, etc.
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          • Profile picture of the author ThomM
            Kay Bt corn is suppose to be an insect resistant crop that doesn't require pesticides. It was engineered to be resistant to the corn root borer which is the biggest insect problem for corn. The results of that is we now have corn root borers that are immune to it.
            Yes profits are the end goal of the biotech companies, but they are trying to achieve that by genetically engineering crops that are suppose to provide bigger yields and use less fertilizers and pesticides. In other words they have been trying to achieve what you think they have the potential for, for around 30 years now.
            How many years of failure do you need before you realize the potential isn't there.
            In a nut shell here's why genetic engineering will never work.
            Genetically engineered crops rely on a monoculture.
            Nature (the environment) demands diversity.
            It wasn't that many years ago that there was an outcry over the concept of alternative human genes - but today we know some issues for people can be solved and problems prevented with gene alteration. The science of DNA is moving rapidly in part because it was not halted by corporations claiming ownership of it.
            Gene alteration in humans is not the same.
            If I have my genes genetically altered that alteration is not going to spread to every human I have contact with.
            When a plant is genetically altered that alteration is transmitted to all other plants in that plant family through pollen.
            That means the new round-up ready sugar beets can contaminate regular beets. It also has the potential to contaminate every other plant in the Amaranthaceae family. That includes around 180 genra and 2,500 species of plants.
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      Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

      Heysal while I appreciate you spreading the word I'm afraid it will have little effect on the masses.

      Most people consume unhealthy food where it's obvious it's doing damage yet they don't care or only think about the fat content and don't see food or soft drinks playing a big role in their health.

      GMO thats inside a healthy vegetable is going to be even harder for them to believe.

      I suspect you know this already
      It's already had a huge effect on the masses.
      Every survey done shows over 90% of the participants what gmo foods labeled as such.
      People are seeing the health effects of gmo's a lot faster then with other foods because the effects are more noticeable. People are suddenly developing allergic reactions to foods they could normally eat and when they look into why it's because of the gmo's.
      Every day I talk to people (strangers) about gmo's and the number of people aware of them and avoiding them grows all the time.
      A year ago if I mentioned gmo's to a stranger I'd get a funny look. Now I usually get a lecture on their dangers or at the least the know what I'm talking about and agree.
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        • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
          Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

          Well perhaps you're right then, I don't know. It's not a topic I've ever came across anyone ever discussing, I guess it depends where you're from and who you associate with.

          Just judging from other issues like fluoride, aspartame etc, most people like to reference one of the "official" websites that debunk said theorys and like to make a joke about everything. Unfortunately I suspect the same thing will happen with GMO"s once they become more popular.

          Well there's no harm in spreading the word
          It's that good ole' herd mentality. If it's not on the mainsteam news, people have a hard time believing us folk who are plugged in.

          My brother-in-law is the only person in my family who's level headed enough to handle the news we Warriors read every day.. and I talked to him about few of those things about a year ago.

          Now he's seeing that what I've been talking about; gmo's, NDAA, what gold and silver is doing, etc. is coming to pass.

          Things are getting exciting in some ways.. a little scary in others.

          Grant
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          Originally Posted by Ernie Lo View Post

          Well perhaps you're right then, I don't know. It's not a topic I've ever came across anyone ever discussing, I guess it depends where you're from and who you associate with.

          Just judging from other issues like fluoride, aspartame etc, most people like to reference one of the "official" websites that debunk said theorys and like to make a joke about everything. Unfortunately I suspect the same thing will happen with GMO"s once they become more popular.

          Well there's no harm in spreading the word
          A year or so ago it was a different story. Then few people I talked to had any idea at all about gmo's, and many even here on the forum thought they where a great idea that would 'feed the world'. Same was true when I first started talking about Cannabis 20 something years ago.
          But unlike lies, you don't have to prove the truth and over time people see it for what it is. You'll always have deniers and those who will try to spread the propaganda, facebook is loaded with them They're actually kinda of fun to mess with at times. They will make a statement, but of course have no facts to back them up.
          Fluoride is another area where I'm seeing more awareness.
          I get my drinking water at a local spring, been doing that on and off for as long as I can remember. Back 50 years ago when I was a kid, everyone who got their water there did so because it tasted better then the 'city' water in their home. You could also go there at any time and there might be a couple other people there getting water. Now when I go there if there's only 6 people already getting water I hit it at a slow time. There have been times when I've seen a line of people waiting to get to the spigots (there are 8 spigots) and the parking lot is full.
          I always talk to whoever is there and it's hard to find someone there who is getting water just because it tastes good. They've there because they don't want to drink fluoride or the other chemicals in the city water.
          The majority are middle aged to older people also, and they are many of the ones who are also against gmo's.

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Excellent movie on GMO's and the corruption surrounding them.
      Genetic Roulette MovieGenetic Roulette | The Gamble of Our Lives
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      • Profile picture of the author Girard
        Just finished watching "Genetic Roulette". What an eye opening film. I continue to be amazed at how corporations will put profits over health. Monsanto has turned into today's Mengele. You can see a trailer . I believe it's only free thru 9/22.
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        • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
          Originally Posted by Girard View Post

          Just finished watching "Genetic Roulette". What an eye opening film. I continue to be amazed at how corporations will put profits over health. Monsanto has turned into today's Mengele.
          Lets say that you're a director of a major cancer pharmaceutical organization that gets gov grants for research, makes millions every year from insurance companies.

          The way things are currently going with the economy, rising gas prices, mortgages, electricity bills, and whatever, you get tax breaks on your taxes the more money you make at your job, and on top of that, you've got a family to feed. But things are not getting any better. Ask yourself..

          Do you REALLY want to find a cure for cancer?

          If you were a Doctor who's experiencing the crunch of 'everything is costing more', and you made commissions from prescribing medications to your patients, do you want them finding alternative/natural methods for their ailments?

          Now I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to bet that something like that is happening in lots of other industries.

          Just a few thoughts

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        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Excellent movie on GMO's and the corruption surrounding them.
        Genetic Roulette MovieGenetic Roulette | The Gamble of Our Lives
        I just ordered (with rush shipping) that dvd, "Everything You HAVE to Know about Dangerous Genetically Modified Foods" (dvd) and the "Health Risks" Brochure to bring with me and give to my Congressman next Monday.
        Between those, a copy of a letter Monsanto wrote in the UK claiming their stuff should be labeled, and the stack of other material I have, I think I have enough 'hand-outs' ready.
        I've also gone over my talk on I.P.M (Integrated Pest Management), real Sustainable Agriculture, Organic and "conventional" farming so much I'm starting to dream about them.
        I think I'm ready for him, so now the question is, is he ready for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author GrantFreeman
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          I just ordered (with rush shipping) that dvd, "Everything You HAVE to Know about Dangerous Genetically Modified Foods" (dvd) and the "Health Risks" Brochure to bring with me and give to my Congressman next Monday.
          Between those, a copy of a letter Monsanto wrote in the UK claiming their stuff should be labeled, and the stack of other material I have, I think I have enough 'hand-outs' ready.
          I've also gone over my talk on I.P.M (Integrated Pest Management), real Sustainable Agriculture, Organic and "conventional" farming so much I'm starting to dream about them.
          I think I'm ready for him, so now the question is, is he ready for me.
          Sounds like his family 'movie nights' are covered for the next couple of years. Nice goin

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  • Not a food source, but still an example of chemical irresponsibility...

    Bird Seed Poisons Wild Birds: Scientific American Podcast

    To improve shelf life, Scotts Miracle-Gro used a pesticide toxic to birds in its bird seed.
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    I just really admire you, Thom - you are what Americans are supposed to be. Get it done!
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  • Profile picture of the author jhanks192
    Dear Warriors,

    I'm not sure where you live,
    but in California,
    (a.k.a. Beta Test USA,)
    We are receiving the
    Opportunity to decide to
    Label foods with GMOs.

    I for one have avoided
    such foods that say:
    Contains:
    SOY, WHEAT, CORN

    w/e

    Because my guess is
    those foods are GMO'ed

    BUT! Now we will get
    The chance to print
    labels on our food
    that truly inform the
    consumer at the store.

    Did you know that
    food PLU codes
    are not strict rules
    to abide by, but rather
    "guidelines" to volunarily
    follow? WTF!?

    Get on top of your
    shit America.

    Europe has banned
    such things we currently
    stock on our shelves
    back all the way in 1997.

    Yes on 37.

    Down with Monsanto.

    Live life
    free
    organically
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by jhanks192 View Post

      Dear Warriors,

      I'm not sure where you live,
      but in California,
      (a.k.a. Beta Test USA,)
      We are receiving the
      Opportunity to decide to
      Label foods with GMOs.

      I for one have avoided
      such foods that say:
      Contains:
      SOY, WHEAT, CORN

      w/e

      Because my guess is
      those foods are GMO'ed

      BUT! Now we will get
      The chance to print
      labels on our food
      that truly inform the
      consumer at the store.

      Did you know that
      food PLU codes
      are not strict rules
      to abide by, but rather
      "guidelines" to volunarily
      follow? WTF!?

      Get on top of your
      shit America.

      Europe has banned
      such things we currently
      stock on our shelves
      back all the way in 1997.

      Yes on 37.

      Down with Monsanto.

      Live life
      free
      organically
      I pray you are successful.
      Monsanto alone has already pumped 7.5 million dollars into the say no to 37 campaign.
      I won't say what I've contributed to the say yes side (I'm embarrassed I couldn't give more then I did). But know you have a lot of support from the rest of the country.
      But be warned, the feds. are ready to fight back.
      The pres. has already appointed Tom Vilsack as head of the USDA (Biotech gov. of the year 2001) and Micheal Taylor as head of food safety for the FDA (his most recent job was a Monsanto lobbyist in D.C. and he's the man responsible for "substantial equivalents" and for writing the regulations on gmo's as a lawyer for Monsanto just before he left them to work for the FDA where he approved the regulations he wrote while working for Monsanto.)
      So even when prop 37 passes we still have a long hard fight ahead of us.
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    Educating people so they just stop buying products with GMOs in them goes a long way. I try to publicize and spread the word as much as possible. I think it's going to take a LOT more than government help to stop them. And with Monsanto stacked in every corner of our admin now, it might just take action without their help. When consumers quit buying, that is the corporate bottom line being messed with - and THAT is what they listen to. Crush their bottom line and it will no longer be worth it to them to use GMOs.
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  • Superweeds pose GM-resistant challenge for farmers (Video)

    BBC News - Superweeds pose GM-resistant challenge for farmers
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    (Reuters) - In a study that prompted sharp criticism from other experts, French scientists said on Wednesday that rats fed on Monsanto's genetically modified corn or exposed to its top-selling weedkiller suffered tumors and multiple organ damage.
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      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Superweeds pose GM-resistant challenge for farmers (Video)

      BBC News - Superweeds pose GM-resistant challenge for farmers
      My very first thought back when I first heard about round-up ready crops was "More herbicide use and weeds will become resistant.". I still don't believe farmers fell for that crap. One of the first things you learn when dealing with any plant pest be it insects or weeds is that you have to vary your controls.
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Study on Monsanto GM corn concerns draws skepticism | Reuters

      (Reuters) - In a study that prompted sharp criticism from other experts, French scientists said on Wednesday that rats fed on Monsanto's genetically modified corn or exposed to its top-selling weedkiller suffered tumors and multiple organ damage.
      I already have a copy of that report printed out to bring with me Monday In fact I've over 100 pages of scientific reports about gmo's ready to go, plus information on I.P.M. and real sustainable agriculture. The DVD's and brochures from Institute for Responsible Technology will be here tomorrow.
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      Just wanted to update ya'll on my meeting this morning with my congressman. First I thought out a few different scenarios on what I would be walking in to, but never in my wildest dreams did I expect what happened.
      The man is 100% behind labeling foods that contain gmo's and sees it as a way to get rid of them from our food and from our farming.
      I gave him a couple hundred pages of information on gmos, Integrated Pest Management, and sustainable agriculture.
      He gave me a list of additional information that he wants.
      When I mentioned that NY had a labeling bill, but shelved it, he said he would set up a meeting with my state legislator, him, and myself, to see what we could do to get the bill up for a vote and passed in NY
      All in all in was a very positive meeting, and one that renewed my hope in defeating gmo's and getting them out of our food chain and more importantly out of our agricultural system.
      I also found out that I am apparently considered somewhat of an expert in this area as he said this past weekend when he was in my area a couple people he talked to brought up my name as the person to talk to about gmo's and agriculture
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Congratulations Thom!

        From here on out, you are my primary example when I talk to people who feel defeated believing that as a single voice, they can do nothing, that they don't count in the grand scheme of things.

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        • Profile picture of the author ThomM
          Thanks Terra, I guess not giving up does work
          Though this was a huge success for me, it was just one small battle won in a much larger war.
          I've already started putting together the new info he wants (exact wording of prop. 37 in Cal., proof of who does the testing on gmo's, list on NY legislation on hold, etc.).
          I think I'm going to take what's left of today and just take in what happened this morning. Also I need to sit back and think a little about who I'm taking on and why.
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

        Just wanted to update ya'll on my meeting this morning with my congressman. First I thought out a few different scenarios on what I would be walking in to, but never in my wildest dreams did I expect what happened.
        The man is 100% behind labeling foods that contain gmo's and sees it as a way to get rid of them from our food and from our farming.
        I gave him a couple hundred pages of information on gmos, Integrated Pest Management, and sustainable agriculture.
        He gave me a list of additional information that he wants.
        When I mentioned that NY had a labeling bill, but shelved it, he said he would set up a meeting with my state legislator, him, and myself, to see what we could do to get the bill up for a vote and passed in NY
        All in all in was a very positive meeting, and one that renewed my hope in defeating gmo's and getting them out of our food chain and more importantly out of our agricultural system.
        I also found out that I am apparently considered somewhat of an expert in this area as he said this past weekend when he was in my area a couple people he talked to brought up my name as the person to talk to about gmo's and agriculture
        Thom -- that makes you the kewlest person I have known in a long, long time! I'm just really proud to be your friend. Makes me wanna come back out there again so I can be ultra kewl just by association. Just think, if we can kick GMOs to the curb -- you will be one of the lead Warriors in that battle. How many lives will be saved?

        Now I will feel like worthless crap until I get Saving Ricky: The Second Rescue out. I'm hoping that will be a big change in the way people view their pet's health - and their own.

        If everyone would get on board with getting toxins out of the environment and the food supply back to organic, we could return to being a nation of healthy, active, intelligent, and motivated people. Right now I just sit and shake my head at the sickly, fat mess our people have become. It's freaking embarrassing.
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  • Profile picture of the author kasei
    I also support the common anti GMO sentiment, they may be more profitable and easy to grow but they are not worth the risk to our health
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      Originally Posted by kasei View Post

      I also support the common anti GMO sentiment, they may be more profitable and easy to grow but they are not worth the risk to our health
      Though I agree 100% on the health risks, my main concern has been and still is the effects they have on the soil, the environment, and bio-diversity.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by kasei View Post

      I also support the common anti GMO sentiment, they may be more profitable and easy to grow but they are not worth the risk to our health
      The only ones making any profit from GMO crops is the companies who make the seeds and the pesticides. Farmers are paying a LOT more to grow them - have to buy the seeds every year at a price wildly marked up because they are patented. The pesticide requirements are staggering and costing a fortune. The ruin of the soil will be the executioner's axe very soon, too.

      Nope - only MONSANTO is profiting............

      Well, that might not be true. GMO crops cause infertility in three generations, so those wanting to de-populate the world are getting their profits. That's one of the reasons all the GMOs are being shipped to to other countries that need food aid. They continue to need aid, yet their populations are increasing exponentially. GMOs are a way to stop that. There's where the profit comes in. Not enough population to strip the environment.
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomM
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        The only ones making any profit from GMO crops is the companies who make the seeds and the pesticides. Farmers are paying a LOT more to grow them - have to buy the seeds every year at a price wildly marked up because they are patented. The pesticide requirements are staggering and costing a fortune. The ruin of the soil will be the executioner's axe very soon, too.

        Nope - only MONSANTO is profiting............

        Well, that might not be true. GMO crops cause infertility in three generations, so those wanting to de-populate the world are getting their profits. That's one of the reasons all the GMOs are being shipped to to other countries that need food aid. They continue to need aid, yet their populations are increasing exponentially. GMOs are a way to stop that. There's where the profit comes in. Not enough population to strip the environment.
        And the kicker is those countries that need food aide used to be able to feed themselves (most anyways). That's where the bio-diversity comes in. Many of the farmers in those countries used to grow food to feed their families and community. Then big ag. convinced them it was more profitable to grow just one crop like coffee or tea (for example). So now instead of growing multiple crops that would feed themselves they grew one crop they couldn't eat:rolleyes:
        So now you have monoculture type farming which leads to one of two things. It either becomes more costly each year to continue to grow that crop leading to more poverty areas, or the soil becomes so depleted that nothing will grow on it. Leading of course to famine.
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    Continually increasing population will take even those cash crops out from under them - as we are seeing. You can't use land that is used to shelter people to grow things. The more land wiped out for living space, the less there is for growing - the more land cleared for both population and farming, the more the land and surrounding area desertificates. We've got some chain effects going on that are going to be a major problem to stop - and with politicians blocking every attempt science is making to clean up land and preserve and restore biodiversity there isn't much hope for saving much. Allowing Monsanto to ruin more land is tantamount to saying "bring it on" to famine and human extinction - and we will have at least a large die off before it's over, whether we go completely extinct or not. It's now inevitable -we've crossed the line thanks to things like the gulf spill, which is still causing more damage than anyone is reporting. The most we can do is restore enough to allow at least a solid percentage of humans to survive (and hopefully they will remember to watch their population growth responsibly when it's over). MONSANTO is nothing but an overly virulent virus that is killing it's own host.
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  • Profile picture of the author codycode
    If we knew what we were eating and the agenda being the global elites, we would all starve just from thinking about it. It is sickening but cannot be stopped. You can't put the jail keepers in jail.

    Just my two cents. Check out infowars.com for full coverage on GMO related info.
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      Originally Posted by codycode View Post

      If we knew what we were eating and the agenda being the global elites, we would all starve just from thinking about it. It is sickening but cannot be stopped. You can't put the jail keepers in jail.

      Just my two cents. Check out infowars.com for full coverage on GMO related info.
      I go to Institute for Responsible Technology for much of my information.
      That's also where I got the three dvd's I let people borrow (Genetic Roulette, Seeds of Freedom, and Everything You Have to Know about Dangerous Genetically Modified Foods), and one of the handouts I give out (Doctors' Health Warning: Avoid Genetically Modified Foods).
      Bottom line is if you start talking about 'global Elites' and world domination to most people they will simply think your a conspiracy nut, weather the info is true or not.
      But you start talking about the food they eat and most all will pay attention. Especially when they understand you're not trying to make them become vegetarians or "health food nuts", but that you just want the corn they eat to not have toxins built into it (Cry1Ab) or the meat they eat loaded with toxins and antibiotics, or the milk they drink loaded with puss and recumbent bovine growth hormone, or at the least have those foods labeled so they can make the choice weather to eat them or not.
      In every poll done 80 to 90% of the people polled want to know what they are eating, with just a simple "Contains Genetically Modified Organisms" label. That simple label can lead to the end of gmo's as we know them. That's why prop 37 in California has become so important on a national level. That's also why Monsanto has pumped over 7 million dollars into a "grassroots" organization (made up of Monsanto, Bayer, Pepsico, etc.) to fight prop 37.
      You may not hear about it on the news, but all this month there have been protests and rallies all across this nation. The aim has been mostly to get companies to label their products, the goal has been to educate more people about the dangers of gmo's.
      We will win this war, it's simply one we can't afford to lose.
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    There's a lot of info on the net about GMOs - the only info that isn't good is from the people that make a living from GMOs - they are the only ones who think it's harmless, and from rumor, they never have any of it on their own tables.
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  • Walmart Is Going To Sell Monsanto's Genetically Modified Corn And It Won't Be Labeled - Business Insider

    Monsanto has developed genetically modified sweet corn, and it's the first time that the company is doing this with fresh produce, as opposed to processed foods.

    Activists have worked to try to keep it off store shelves, and its health effects are still being debated.

    Earlier this year, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and General Mills all refused to carry Monsanto's corn, but there's one giant chain that's going for it — the world's largest retailer, Walmart.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Well that doesn't surprise me in the least bit!

      But, what I'm puzzling over is umm, who buys their groceries at Walmart? :confused:

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

      Walmart Is Going To Sell Monsanto's Genetically Modified Corn And It Won't Be Labeled - Business Insider

      Monsanto has developed genetically modified sweet corn, and it's the first time that the company is doing this with fresh produce, as opposed to processed foods.

      Activists have worked to try to keep it off store shelves, and its health effects are still being debated.

      Earlier this year, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and General Mills all refused to carry Monsanto's corn, but there's one giant chain that's going for it -- the world's largest retailer, Walmart.
      And they're getting hammered with phone calls, letters, emails, and even protests over it.
      I learned about that in the spring, and have told everyone I know about it.
      Funny they won't sell rBGH milk at Walmarts, but will sell g.e. corn. I have a feeling it will only be this year though.
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    Selling it via Walmart is almost like class warfare isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Problem is GMO is now everywhere. Even in the oils, wheat, corn ah god there is no easy way to escape it

    I see this even more dangerous than smoking, if the size of the rat tumors due to them eating gmo is anything to go by
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  • Profile picture of the author Merlina
    The World According to Monsanto. I hate this evil cooperation as well. They make me sick. They've given a hand to the deaths of untold millions.

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Merlina View Post

      The World According to Monsanto. I hate this evil cooperation as well. They make me sick. They've given a hand to the deaths of untold millions.

      The World According to Monsanto - Marie-Monique Robin - YouTube
      We got them running scared now.
      Prop. 37 was narrowly defeated in Ca. (so far), with 52% against and 48% for. They are still counting absentee and early mail in ballots though so it may still pass. So far over 5 1/2 million people in Ca. voted for labeling.
      Monsanto, Bayer, Pepsi-co, General Mills and a few others spent over 47 million dollars in ads to defeat it. Now because of their efforts there are nation wide boycotts of their products going on and groups have formed in at least 30 states to push for gmo labeling.
      Here in New York we have started a group (NYS Right to Know) that has gotten 7 assemblymen to co-sponsor a labeling bill and we have also got the support of two of our Congressmen.
      Both Vermont and Connecticut(sp) will be re-introducing their labeling bills this year also. They almost had the bills passed last year but then Monsanto threatened to sue the states if they passed. I've talked to the leader of the Connecticut right to know group and she has informed me that their legislators have been further educated about Monsanto and have vowed to pass the labeling bill despite the threats from Monsanto.

      I have no proof yet, but I've been told that Monsanto is trying to have wording added to the federal farm bill that would prevent states from passing labeling laws. I'll be in touch with my contact on the Ag. Committee after Thanksgiving to give him a heads up on that.

      Here's a list of companies and brands we're boycotting.
      Comprehensive Boycott Guide
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Hmmm, maybe that is what they want, create more sickness so they or their friends in the drugs niche can be assured or more sickness to make distinguishing amounts of money from!!!

        A good example of this is adding fluoride to drinking water. Someone else on these forums alerted me to the fact that fluoride is a by product of Aluminum production and that this metal is prevalent in Althimers disease patients brains!!!

        It would be common sense to have a full investigation into this, cut it out if there is a strong link, (which seems pretty obvious)!

        But, apparently money is more important that unnecessary human suffering and misery!


        God knows how these people can live with themselves!!!


        I am glad for forums like this that give people that won't blindly listen to authority figures, the real facts.


        Explains why l feel sick if l try to drink a glass of this stuff!

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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      Originally Posted by Jackmoon View Post

      And we already have tons of GM foods. Most foods that you eat are already likely GM.
      Maybe the foods you eat are, but not the ones I eat
      If a food doesn't have the Non GMO verified seal on it or at the very least is certified organic I don't buy it. Non-GMO Project

      And to touch a little on what Shane mentioned about Fluoride, all my drinking water for myself and my animals comes from natural springs in my area that are tested monthly for contaminates.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I was recently checking into moving to Rapid City, SD - and then I looked at the stats. 80% of the water there is fluoridated. Any town over the population of 20,000 is mandated to be fluoridated. Then I checked several states. Mandating fluoride for populations OVER 20,000 is common. Now lets be real about this. If it were about teeth, wouldn't they want to make sure those in small towns were treated, too? It's not about teeth. It's about sedation. Right now we're being screwed to the wall by our government. Yet there are relatively few protesters, even at a time the rest of the world is going batshit nuts protesting. People are chugging down the fluoride right now. A few years ago the limit was 1ppm- and that is excessive enough to cause major problems.

    When I was researching the other day I was seeing 2.7 ppm in some of the larger cities. WTF? First one part per mil isn't safe so double it? But it's for our health right? I guess 20,000 is the biggest crowd they think they can handle in any one place at a time if the excrement hits the air conditioning. And yeah, it sounds paranoid, but to put something in the water that has proven through research to have nothing but negative effects, got into our water through lies and propaganda, and keeps a population sedated and docile - an element that has been purposely used for sedation, even by the nazis......................well, that's a little much for me to swallow.

    I refuse to go anywhere that I don't have a source of non-fluoridated water. I refuse to eat anything with their frankencorn in it. My diet has become limited, but if that's the price of health, that's the price.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Sal, I have broken 2 records today.

    1: Read the funniest post I read all year.

    2: Read the most ENLIGHTENING post I have read all year.

    Still dont what GMO means, but I watched the vid, and I have NEVER understood global warming like I do now. You really opened my eyes... Not the first time.

    -John
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    GMO means genetically modified organism. People equate all GMO's as being the same as many of the hybrid plants we got via techniques such as splicing, which is a nondangerous procedure. What they are doing now is injecting toxins into the plants to kill bugs that eat it. Get that again - to KILL what eats the plant. It not only is poison, but it is a natural poison that will replicate itself inside of your gut flora. When you eat these plants, your body itself becomes a walking toxin factory - until it becomes too sick to walk anymore, that is.

    So what was the funniest post, John? I could use a laugh myself today.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      And yeah, it sounds paranoid, but to put something in the water that has proven through research to have nothing but negative effects, got into our water through lies and propaganda, and keeps a population sedated and docile - an element that has been purposely used for sedation, even by the nazis......................well, that's a little much for me to swallow.
      Yea, with the global economic situation, l would expect the dosage to go up than down, my drinking water in Victoria, AU, smells more like Pool water!

      Although if you drive up into the hills, it tastes like real water again.


      I know they build sports stadiums, to keep the masses under control, but fluoridating the water is overkill!

      I bet that Greece's water fluoridation must be the highest in the world at present!!!

      Yeah, give your kids tap water so their teeth don't fall out as fast, and they will look forward to loosing their minds in their old age, and become a great burden on their family and society in general!!!!

      Hmmmm, tying up a gov, official that regulates water supply, etc, in a chair, with a blowtorch and ice, seems like a good idea at present! But, lets be fair, fluoridated ice!!! :rolleyes:


      I think that something needs to happen after Dec, 21, this world has seriously gone down the gurgler; and someone or something needs to step up and stop this crap!

      Shane

      PS this is the funniest thing l could find in GM!!! :p

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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


      So what was the funniest post, John? I could use a laugh myself today.
      This one: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-among-us.html

      Ps. Did I ever tell you that one time a couple of years ago I was sitting up having a conversation in my underwear with you at 3am, and closed a 15 thousand dollar deal by IM simultaneously?

      If not. I did.

      Dont worry, it wasnt the time when you were telling erotic stories...lol

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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        This one: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-among-us.html

        Ps. Did I ever tell you that one time a couple of years ago I was sitting up having a conversation in my underwear with you at 3am, and closed a 15 thousand dollar deal by IM simultaneously?

        If not. I did.

        Dont worry, it wasnt the time when you were telling erotic stories...lol

        Ba dum tssshhh - YouTube
        Wha.............
        Um I know we talked late.......didn't really think to ask about what you were wearing. I'm not as good at phone calls as you are. However............I don't recall ever telling erotic stories...ever -- unless you mean that time I stopped in at the copywriting forum and gave that one guy(that pretended to be a chick) a run for his money on a teaser. LMAO. um.........I usually don't write erotica, John. If I was good at it verbally, I'd be making money at home in my undies on the phone, too.

        So, uh - do I get a cut of that 15K for being inspirational?
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          I would not trust one of these *******s with my life.
          Hmmmm, you bring the blow torch, l will bring the fluoridated, and 9/11 treated ice!!!

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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Wha.............
          I don't recall ever telling erotic stories...ever -- unless you mean that time I stopped in at the copywriting forum and gave that one guy(that pretended to be a chick) a run for his money on a teaser. LMAO. um.........
          Thats the time I mean. lol
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            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Thats the time I mean. lol
            LMAO - hey, I was proud of that one. I practically got proposals off that thing.
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    Any citizen who drinks municipal water needs to have it tested to see what is in it. The AP did some research a few years back and said 40 mil had some chemical in their water that was called "Post 9/11 precaution. They would not release what exactly that "precaution" was or who exactly was drinking it. If excrement hits the air conditioning, I'd rather just go get jugs from a river and purify it myself than risk what our gov might dose us with. They let us be killed by the medical industrial complex, allow GMOs given to us secretly, and medicate our water with something they know is lethal to our health. I would not trust one of these *******s with my life.
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