Please I Need URGENT Help! Legal Issue!

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Hi guys,

I borrowed my girlfriends mother £2000 recently. Today I split up with my girlfriend and the mother said in a Facebook message that I won't be getting the money back.

I sent the money from my account to hers. I have text messages and emails asking to borrow the cash and proof she was trying to bribe me and say she's keeping the cash.

If I was to take this to court, do I have a chance of getting this money back?
  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    This isn't legal advice, but anybody that gives you legal advice on a forum is not helping you one bit.

    You can't stand in front of a judge and say "Sunshine3456 told me I had a legal right to...". It just won't cut it.

    What you need to do is seek legal counsel from a qualified legal professional.

    ~Bill
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesJeffery
      Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

      This isn't legal advice, but anybody that gives you legal advice on a forum is not helping you one bit.

      You can't stand in front of a judge and say "Sunshine3456 told me I had a legal right to...". It just won't cut it.

      What you need to do is seek legal counsel from a qualified legal professional.

      ~Bill
      Bill,

      I know this. I am trying to get some advice from someone until I hit my solicitor on Monday. I am so stressed out right now that I need some positive advice.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Ok James, here it is...Relax.

        The world is not going to implode over the weekend.

        Take tomorrow and Sunday and treat yourself like a king. What happens in regards to the money is what happens in regards to the money. The money is not your life. Stressing out about it will only cause you to suffer, not get it back faster.

        There's an old saying that "Living well is the best revenge", so live well in the meantime. Your chances of getting the money back depends on if it looks like it was a gift from you or if it was a loan. Your records of the transaction, including all correspondence, will help determine if you can get a judgement for the return of the money.

        Nobody here but you knows what those records contain, and for God's sake don't make them public. What you do and say from this point forward can have a bearing on your case to one degree or another.

        Take the high road, and just remain cool.

        ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author Freeman A
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by poorman View Post

          I am not a law student but I like watching 'divorce court' on tv so I know a little bit about how things work in cases like this.
          There ya go...:rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              Originally Posted by poorman View Post

              you are right! the best thing is to go seek professional advice but we can still share our views (although not professional).
              Actually poorman, and this is not legal advice, it's an unlawful act to give legal advice unless you have a license to practice law. Believe it or not if you give someone legal advice, like the type you just did, and they act on it, and things turn out bad for them they can drag your butt into court and make a pile of real legal trouble for you.

              Bottom line...never give out legal opinions. Period. And if you can't control the urge always state that 'you are not giving out legal advice'.

              Again, this is not legal advice, so just consider it a lesson in staying out of trouble.

              ~Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Legal advice on a forum and getting answers from people in other countries is totally useless to you.

          Prepare yourself by writing the dates/highlights of what happened and make copies of all relevant communications (emails). Take a screenshot of the facebook page, etc. You'll have a file ready to show the lawyer. Get your terminology right - you didn't "borrow" - you were the lender and the woman borrowed from you.

          Forget it till monday. You will either get the money back or you won't. Get legal advice monday and proceed from there.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikesonfire
    This isn't legal advice. I know exactly how you feel because it has happened to me three times in my life. My brother, a friend and a former employee. In one case the money is definitely gone forever. In another, there's a chance I'll get it back.... maybe. In the third case, I did get paid back but it was two years later.

    I know this sounds crappy but my advice is to accept that it's gone and move on. I know that's difficult but it's best for you. Work towards getting it back, but the longer you stew about this, the worse it will get for you. Once you accept it's probably lost, you'll feel better.

    Life goes on, you'll make do and hopefully (unlike me) not make the same mistake again.

    Good luck with the attorney!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Bill,

    If you don't present yourself as a lawyer, sell services as one, or attend court to act on another's behalf, I don't think there is really any law against it.

    HECK, even LAWYERS can't properly give advice such as the OP is suggesting by just what is given.

    James,

    Even if bill WERE a lawyer he likely couldn't help YOU, because you are in a different country.

    In the US, you would be limited on interest you could collect and, without a proper promissory note, you might have trouble collecting at all. ALSO, the claim that she tried to bribe will make things come out that you might not like. The emails could be thrown out.

    That said, I am not a lawyer, and CERTAINLY don't know much about UK law.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author pickthat apple
      James Jeffery - I think your best bet is to seek advice at a Citizens Advice Bureau, if you live in the UK, since it is not an enormous sum of money and it is a pretty basic situation.
      What agreement did you have when you lent her money?
      If you have no reliable evidence of an agreement to pay it back, I don't think you stand a chance.
      Maybe you would, if this situation is an usual pattern of behaviour on behalf of the mother.
      Whether a sms message is seen as a reliable evidence, I do not know.
      This is my point of view, as if I was advising a friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aperio
    I don't think the poor chap was looking for advice of a literal legal nature... but more to help ease his nerves a little bit. Quite frankly, the best advice that anyone could have possibly given was given already by Bill, and quite eloquently so.

    I know it seems like the end of the world when you are in a situation like that, especially when emotions are running high, but the best thing you can do is to just simply relax and not get too worked up over it.

    On the other side of that coin, however (and i will give my disclaimer now that this is only my personal advice, not legal advice, i'm not a lawyer nor do i play on on tv) But after working many years in retail security, the best piece of advice going forward that i can give you is, "if it isn't documented, it didn't happen".

    So... translation, If you truly plan to pursue the matter legally, save EVERYTHING. Every voicemail, every written communication.. every little shred of any conversation possible between you and the mother/girlfriend in regards to the loan. Take screenshots, have other non-biased parties view the facebook page online (i.e. before it's deleted) to be able to collaborate it's accuracy of your screenshot etc. Things like that (i.e. stating she won't be paying you back) I would think would then certainly prove that there was actually intent at one point to do just that, and that there was such an agreement in place.

    Then the last piece of advice... practice forgiveness. Even if the mother's intentions are all purely bad and if you never see the money again and if you don't end up going the legal route.... Focus your energy on forgiving her, praying for her to have a more compassionate and generous heart and take comfort in having the the freedom that goes along with forgiving someone when they have wronged you in such a way. It's a much greater reward rather than hanging onto any anger and resentment. You'll be all the richer just for having done that alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    Looks bad. Real bad. Best thing is talk to a lawyer with as much documentation as possible on what transpired.

    Disclaimer: This is not legal advice. I'm not a lawyer nor anything resembling an authority on legal matters.
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesJeffery
      I'm tempted to forget about it and just move on as quickly from this relationship as possible. The more I am caught up in this the more I am stuck and can't move on from the breakup.

      It really gets my nerves and anger up when you help people out of financial mess and they do this to you. I've borrowed her way more than £2000 and she's not paid any back. It makes my stomach feel so sick inside.

      I've got a few things to sell to make that £2000 back and focus on working hard and making more money. In future I think I need to be wise and never loan money.

      Thanks guys. And I wasnt looking for legal advice. I was a little upset and angry and just wanted to hear opinion really. Thanks anyway.
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