Ok this is somewhat depressing.. Are 'WE' Really Making Money?

by Jayo
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I'll start off by saying, I'm making a decent amount of money online. I'm still doing a lot of learning and researching. I've been going at it for about 6 months now.

Anyway I was reading through a lot of my emails today from people of whom i'm subscribed to, some of which are considered to be 'gurus'. I get slammed with atleast 50 a day so I was doing some cleanup, and unsubscribing from many of them..

While i was clicking the unsubscribe buttons I noticed that many of their emails had addresses at the end of them. So out of boredom, and curiosity, I google map searched a lot of them to see what kind of lifestyle these guys are living. Since many of the emails made pretty outrageous claims, I figured they'd be pretty wealthy with that kind of knowledge.

... to say the least it was almost depressing looking at the Google was showing for these peoples homes. Now I know most of them are probably old or even random addresses, like i'm sure there aren't many marketers who conduct their business in a day care center, but most of what I saw was actually pretty saddening.

Maybe the people whom i'm subscribed to aren't really that flashy, that's reasonable. Low key lifestyle perhaps.


*sigh*

So Warriors ...

I NEED SOME REAL SUCCESS STORIES FROM SOME OF YOU!
#depressing #making #money
  • Profile picture of the author magicmarcus
    stop thinking about them and start thinking about you!

    right now my wife is watching a video on youtube about sewing... seriously? like 100s of thousands of views on youtube... you can sell 3K sewing machines and get commision.

    earlier today i looked up a enchilada recipe...

    100s of millions of people are searching for things daily.

    there is money out there... so forget about them and think of who you can help!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Henshaw
      I google map searched a lot of them to see what kind of lifestyle these guys are living. Since many of the emails made pretty outrageous claims, I figured they'd be pretty wealthy with that kind of knowledge.
      Well, that's a neat trick. I never would have thought of that myself.

      Nice heads up.

      Jeff.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnLeonard
      Haven't made much?

      That tells me you have made something....

      One of the oldest business formulas around it ...If you can make 1 dollar you can make a thousand....Just do that thing 1000 times.

      And you know what...It is that simple.....

      Of course that thing has to be useful to 1000 people....But....Everything is exponential and if you can do it once you can do it again...

      Like I said in a previous post....IM is like a job....Just a job that you love...It is rewarding....You don't just decide to be an internet marketer and suddenly start making money....There are systems and skills that work...You have to work at it...

      Don't believe the "make money while you sleep ads" sure you can make money while you sleep in IM but you have to do a lot of work while you are awake....
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  • Profile picture of the author admin
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    I wouldn't let that fool you. I could live in a huge home but choose to live in a doublewide and certainly don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

    Now if someone tells you they drive a Lamborghini and can make you money with their great 'system' and you find out they drive a taxi you might be on to something ;-)

    Just curious, do you know what the Owner of Wal-Mart drove around in?

    Judging him by what he 'showed' the world would be slightly retarded.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by admin View Post

      I wouldn't let that fool you. I could live in a huge home but choose to live in a doublewide and certainly don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

      Now if someone tells you they drive a Lamborghini and can make you money with their great 'system' and you find out they drive a taxi you might be on to something ;-)

      Just curious, do you know what the Owner of Wal-Mart drove around in?

      Judging him by what he 'showed' the world would be slightly retarded.
      But some doublewides can be NICE! Certainly not extravagant or large, but relatively roomy for a SMALL family and they can be INEXPENSIVE!

      But YEAH, warren buffet, as I recall, ALSO lives a relatively simple life. I don't even know what my father makes, etc... but I know one customer pays him a quarter million a year. He lives on maybe 1acre in a 2500sf home with his 2nd wife. SHE has a little business and customers pay her quite a bit, and she has several employees. And they have played with too very famous billionares. I know one guy that looks kind of poor, frequents a little cafe he runs that even has a home in the basement where he can stay if he wants. The property doesn't look like it is worth much, but it is VERY close to venice beach. I mean he could walk over to a yacht he had. It certainly IS worth a lot. He also has a lot of other businesses.

      So YEAH, a LOT of people look poorer than they are. I could ALSO tell you about a guy that drove a rolls royce, paid HUNDREDS of thousands for furnishings, some were antiques, etc... and he was really POOR! Last I saw of him he was in a small trailer home in his mothers back yard.

      As for ME? I am not a millionare, and never claimed to be filthy rich. I was in an apartment most of my life, living below my means. I saw the stupid rates, figured they would go up, and bought a home because I figured they would raise the rates, lest a financial collapse occur. Well, we all know how THAT turned out. 8-( Anyway, I have a home on about half an acre about 4100sf.

      Still, with all that, the owner of 12dp was basically in a SLUM. A millionare would probably NOT live THERE.

      HECK, I know one guy that seems like a bum, but is heir to a fortune. I won't say which, but they rent cars! I know another that seems like a bum. He delivers PIZZAS for a living!!!!!! It turns out his father is a rich realestate developer. I spent some time with him in the apartment his father allowed him to stay in. He SAID it cost $20,000/month! Well, it WAS a full floor! It WAS high up. It DID have a good view, parking, and a doorman. It DID look posh! It was on wilshire blvd. And one of the zipcodes IS 90210! And he was an evangelistic christian that lived a simple life, so I don't think he would have lied. So I guess you can't even really tell what kind of friends/family they have.

      Both the rental car heir and the developer's son were blacksheep. Christians in jewish families that really didn't like the idea.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    Lol!

    For those who were already "trained" in IM (like most of us), we all know that most emails that we received from someone's list sounded all the same and cliche'.

    Why not? Isn't that almost all IM guru taught us to do? We are taught to build a list, the money is in the list and as a result many IM who themselves aren't earning money yet are recommending products and tutorials as though they are making tons of money online. {They are pretending to be someone they are not}

    I feel that this is some kind of misleading way of marketing. Why?
    It is because these marketers are pretending that they are already a successful IMer and sending out advices that they themselves don't have any clue.

    I myself have already been in that kind of situation where I am taught to build a list and then to market to my list. But I was thinking, If I myself are not au fait about the products that I am promoting and are not qualified to give real advice yet to sincere newbie,I feel like I am cheating them.

    No doubt I can make money from selling products that are not proven to be true yet but do pay good commissions but the vicious cycle will never stops and in the end there will be no genuine marketer teaching real money making knowledge.

    Everyone will make money selling how to make money online products which are not proven to be true or worst still are scams.

    However I do have a couple of genuine IMer who I always looking forward to receive email from. Here I will reveal who these people are. They are Hitesh, Charlie Page, Dougp (IMutopia) J S Rhodes to name a few.

    I can feel that their info are genuine and real and they are real marketers who are among the rare ones who bother to give real and valueble tips and advice.

    as for the most of the IMers, I can't wait to get them out from my email inbox.

    Qamar
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Ditto what Allen said.

    I worked for FlightSafety International for about 13 years, roughly. The
    company was founded by a guy, Al Ueltschi, and he made it into quite a
    concern. lol.

    I think he was worth close to a billion. I don't know at what point he
    got a new car. But he was worth hundreds of millions and still drove an
    old car. I can't remember what it was, but it was nothing fancy at all,
    and it was old.

    You can read about him, here:

    Albert Lee Ueltschi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I remember he came down to our location and gave a talk and there was
    a lunch. Well, he wanted to sit and eat with the troops. He sat right next
    to me. LOL. You had to be there. He was... uh, not Mr. Personality, and
    not a terribly cool guy, either. But, he actually helped me once, but it's
    personal.

    Anyway... he asked us a question about something. And of course I spoke
    up. This was in about late 80s, early 90s, when my mouth was MUCH less
    restrained than it is, now. (you have no idea)

    I said, "We're trying to do that." Mr. Ueltschi said, "Hell, steers try." LOL

    I know what I wanted to say but was smart enough to remain silent.


    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Hanz
    Originally Posted by Jayo View Post

    I'll start off by saying, I haven't made much money online yet. I'm still doing a lot of learning and researching. I've been going at it for about 6 months now. I'll get there.

    Anyway I was reading through a lot of my emails today from people of whom i'm subscribed to, some of which are considered to be 'gurus'. I get slammed with atleast 50 a day so I was doing some cleanup, and unsubscribing from many of them..

    While i was clicking the unsubscribe buttons I noticed that many of their emails had addresses at the end of them. So out of boredom, and curiosity, I google map searched a lot of them to see what kind of lifestyle these guys are living. Since many of the emails made pretty outrageous claims, I figured they'd be pretty wealthy with that kind of knowledge.

    ... to say the least it was almost depressing looking at the Google was showing for these peoples homes. Now I know most of them are probably old or even random addresses, like i'm sure there aren't many marketers who conduct their business in a day care center, but most of what I saw was actually pretty saddening.

    Maybe i'm shooting too big, or expecting too much... From the looks of it I may be better off sticking with my day job.

    Or maybe the people whom i'm subscribed to aren't really that flashy, that's reasonable. Low key lifestyle perhaps.

    I dont know, I guess it just kind of made me think twice about this whole internet thing. Deep down I hope these guys are really quadrazillionaires. It'll make me a feel a little better. I was hoping to see some really tricked out luxury stuff. With a Maybachs and porches in the driveway...!

    *sigh*

    So Warriors ...

    I NEED SOME REAL SUCCESS STORIES FROM SOME OF YOU!
    ... or just some assurance that i'm not driving down a dead end road!


    What did you think of my house, Jayo? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I know a Millionaire, He lives in the rurals in a mobile home. Nice, but not fancy at all. For a hobby he raises honey bees. One day he invited me over to help him gather honey. After we were finished we went into his mobile home to wash the honey off of our hands. When I finished washing my hands I tore a paper towel from the roll hanging over the sink. I dried my hands and wadded the towel up to throw it away. He grabbed it from me and dried his hands as he said, "You never use a paper towel just once!"

    Our perception of people by where they live and what they have and how they use it can be very telling of our own insecurities.

    George Wright, P.S. Another wealthy man once told me, "I drove a Cadillac until I could afford to drive a Ford."
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  • Profile picture of the author raradra
    My father in law has several million in the bank (inheritance not IM) but still lives in a plain modest house, wears jeans, holey t-shirts, running shoes that are like 7 years old and drives a pickup truck.

    Appearances can be deceiving.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Allen said it better than I ever could.

      I live very modestly. My home cost me $130,000 when I bought it about 21
      years ago (it's paid off completely) and I drive a 2005 Honda CRV. My wife
      drives a Jeep Cherokee, which they don't even make anymore. So you can
      imagine how old THAT is.

      And yet, we have a very comfortable life.

      Mortgage paid.
      College paid.
      Credit cards paid.

      My only major expense these days is my taxes, about $9,000 a year.

      I can go to just about any store and buy anything I like without even
      blinking an eye. In fact, this month I've been going nuts buying things
      for myself...something I don't often do.

      If you're going to judge people's success by the homes they have or
      the cars they drive, you're getting a very distorted picture in many
      cases.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        If you're going to judge people's success by the homes they have or the cars they drive, you're getting a very distorted picture in many cases.
        That's how I judge how in debt they are...
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        • Profile picture of the author alpacabob
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          That's how I judge how in debt they are...
          Ok- that's pretty awesome. And sadly true.

          I think people are getting a little too worked up about the methods here, though. I mean- there are obviously problems. A lot of times, IMers don't want people knowing where they live (understandably- lots of people are peaved at the gurus).

          I do think there's a point that lots of IMers are sophists or just straight up liars. I've long wanted to see someone who is successful get fed up with the sophistry and launch something for free- so that they have no stake in it- not use it to build a list, not use it to sell something, just give away some advice. And I'd like to see them prove that they have money- after all- it's hard to believe anyone who says they made lots of money online anymore. I generally assume they're lying. It's pretty sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author joelraitt
    I know a lot of guys who make a lot of money online. I too am full time online. Off the top of my head I have prob met 7+ online millionaires in person...and chances are you have only heard of 1 of them...

    so yah, 1000's of people are making a lot of money online
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    My next door neighbor at the last house I lived in was a millionaire, one of the richest men in Wisconsin, in fact. You'd never know it by looking at his house.

    In many, many cases rich people do not show it off. The guys who show it off are often in debt up to their eyeballs. If they lost their income or had an expensive emergency, many would go bankrupt because they have no wiggle room at all.

    Read The Millionaire Next Door and you'll have a much clearer picture of "the average millionaire" than the one you seem to have now.
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    • Profile picture of the author alpacabob
      I fully agree- I know many wealthy people- people worth hundreds of millions- but only a few of them have houses that look like they're that rich. Granted, many of them have five nice, but not fantastic houses- but that's another matter.

      I wonder this, though- what we would take as evidence that someone's actually a wealthy affiliate? We've all learned not to trust clickbank screen shots since they're doctored- or houses and cars- because who knows if they actually own them- what would show us that someone actually has made money as an affiliate?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Some are living in aprtments or townhouses, that are rented because they are in between selling a home and buying a new one or moving to a new state and buying another...

    Also some have spouses with transient Jobs and have to move alot , it isnt worth buying.

    I love Allens answer. I would prefer to buy a large peice of property and build a modest home on it or doublewide, *which by the way some of those are nicer inside than alot of homes... and that way you could afford to put 10 homes on it , and support your whole family and keep them close.

    Lots of reasons.

    The truth is this... if a tornado directly hit your home, you would be a goner. A mobile home isnt really that much less safe from storms... but you can get a hell of alot nicer one than you can get a home for the same price.

    Ps. If you worked your ass off to become a millionaire, would you want to waste it all on a $40,000 per month house payment? Or would you rather go have some fun?

    What if you experienced calamity, your funds got frozen, and you still had a $40k house payment to take care of? Most Millionaires arent that Dumb.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidTT
    money talks but wealth whispers.

    I've seen tons of people driving the benz and even more expensive cars with the biggest house out there but they are living well over their means and they're basically just living to pay off all of that.

    Just to give you an example, I've seen one dude buy a Lamborghini Gallardo and spend his life saving as well as a 2nd mortage just to buy the thing.

    He's a very cool guy and doesn't lie about it since its his dream car and he always wanted to own one so I dont blame him.

    But you get the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Speaking of which... Whew! Moved in to our new house this weekend. Much bigger, I think Im going to like it.

    I feel a successful vibe here, although Im not completely harmonizing with the energy just yet... I think this place is going to bring me to a new level of success once we get used to each other.

    Settling in to a new place, new energy field... weird but exciting.
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    • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
      Financial success is measured in the ability to spend, not the willingness to flaunt.
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