This REALLY Angers Me... (Those Who Don't Understand IM)

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About a month ago I finally quit my normal job, thanks to Internet marketing. I am even creating my first official Internet marketing product because of it, since I've created some unique systems.

Anyway, that's all great, but there is something that angers me quite a bit: those who don't understand Internet marketing and think it's all illegal or a scam. There are more ignorant people out there than you may realize, and they can be dangerous if you don't deal with them wisely.

I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.

Actually, nearly all the rent I've paid them the past half year has been from my own business efforts, so I could mention that. I just don't want to use the wrong words. Any thoughts?

Edit: I posted this as a response on the second page but people may not see it so I am pasting it here:

I just took a look at my tenant lease agreement, and I quote:

"PURPOSE OF TENANCY:
A. It is understood and agreed between the parties thereto that said premises shall be used and occupied for residence purposes only.
B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."

Now, what constitutes "private businesses" and what does not? Technically, the business is occurring on payment processors which are hosted on computers in random locations throughout the country or even world.

It's really no one else's business what I do on my personal computer. So I should at least explain that I am an Internet entrepreneur, or perhaps author - this way, it doesn't make it seem like people are coming in and out to the physical location of my apartment to conduct business, which isn't the case. (Although what I really want to say is "I'm not your property!")

Anyway, tons of Internet marketers live in apartments with similar contracts. It shouldn't be a concern, it's just, people are plain stupid and you have to deal with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SantiSantana
    I usually tell them I am like those old sales people that went door todoor selling books or tupperware or whatever, except now its all done on the internet. That usually keeps them happy about "understanding" what i do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      This could do the trick Thanks for the idea

      Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

      I usually tell them I am like those old sales people that went door todoor selling books or tupperware or whatever, except now its all done on the internet. That usually keeps them happy about "understanding" what i do.
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    • Profile picture of the author ColdFire123
      Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

      I usually tell them I am like those old sales people that went door todoor selling books or tupperware or whatever, except now its all done on the internet. That usually keeps them happy about "understanding" what i do.
      Haha...that's a great way of putting it.... beats the definition of IM..... But its true.....when you say internet marketer, the first thing that comes in to the listener's mind is "scam" or "spam"....
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    • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
      Originally Posted by SantiSantana View Post

      I usually tell them I am like those old sales people that went door todoor selling books or tupperware or whatever, except now its all done on the internet. That usually keeps them happy about "understanding" what i do.
      What a perfect way to explain it ! That never occured to me. I think even the "old timers" could understand it when explained that way.

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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Perhaps their perceptions have been skewed by past bad experiences with IM'ers....?

    Let's face it, there are legit IM'ers...but, then, a handful that give the rest a bad reputation...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    About a month ago I finally quit my normal job, thanks to Internet marketing. I am even creating my first official Internet marketing product because of it, since I've created some unique systems.

    Anyway, that's all great, but there is something that angers me quite a bit: those who don't understand Internet marketing and think it's all illegal or a scam. There are more ignorant people out there than you may realize, and they can be dangerous if you don't deal with them wisely.

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.

    Actually, nearly all the rent I've paid them the past half year has been from my own business efforts, so I could mention that. I just don't want to use the wrong words. Any thoughts?
    Why would you tell them anything? I don't get your point...

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    • Profile picture of the author Defunct
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Why would you tell them anything? I don't get your point...

      Tsnyder
      I agree you don't have to tell anyone anything, you can just say I work with computers, who cares.

      Every business has "dodgy" people in them, especially when a heavy sales are involved.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Spin in... you don't need to be an internet marketer. In fact, your landlords don't need to know what you do.

    You are self employed, simple as that. Your business is in marketing or sales or whatever, be creative.

    For example, if you sold a WSO teaching how to make a million in a day you could tell people that you are a business consultant. See how easy that was to spin into a respectable business that people understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    Because if they know that I quit my job, they're naturally going to want to know what's up and how I'm paying rent. I won't tell if they don't ask, but if I get defensive it would arise suspicion. If I say I'm an entrepreneur, well, drug dealers are too, technically. As I said, I'm paranoid. Even some of my best friends think IM is a scam. I lost a few because of it, but I suppose sacrifices have to be made. I was explaining the concept of upsells to one guy and he automatically replied "oh so it's a scam", which makes no sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      Because if they know that I quit my job, they're naturally going to want to know what's up and how I'm paying rent. I won't tell if they don't ask, but if I get defensive it would arise suspicion. If I say I'm an entrepreneur, well, drug dealers are too, technically. As I said, I'm paranoid. Even some of my best friends think IM is a scam. I lost a few because of it, but I suppose sacrifices have to be made. I was explaining the concept of upsells to one guy and he automatically replied "oh so it's a scam", which makes no sense.
      He seems just flat-out business-ignorant. Upsells can be a bit annoying, but, when the provide and enhance value, they do have a legitimate role in business....it's not a scam...not all upsells, at least....
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      Because if they know that I quit my job, they're naturally going to want to know what's up and how I'm paying rent. I won't tell if they don't ask, but if I get defensive it would arise suspicion. If I say I'm an entrepreneur, well, drug dealers are too, technically. As I said, I'm paranoid. Even some of my best friends think IM is a scam. I lost a few because of it, but I suppose sacrifices have to be made. I was explaining the concept of upsells to one guy and he automatically replied "oh so it's a scam", which makes no sense.
      I still don't get it. I value my privacy... if you asked and I didn't
      feel like telling you I'd probably tell you to not worry about it as long
      as the checks cash.

      If I felt like appeasing you I'd probably tell you I got a job where
      I could telecommute and work at home.

      Unless you're doing something that places the landlord in legal
      jeopardy it's really none of their business how you earn a living.

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    • Profile picture of the author jan roos
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      Because if they know that I quit my job, they're naturally going to want to know what's up and how I'm paying rent. I won't tell if they don't ask, but if I get defensive it would arise suspicion. If I say I'm an entrepreneur, well, drug dealers are too, technically. As I said, I'm paranoid. Even some of my best friends think IM is a scam. I lost a few because of it, but I suppose sacrifices have to be made. I was explaining the concept of upsells to one guy and he automatically replied "oh so it's a scam", which makes no sense.
      Dude I know exactly how U feel. I've stopped trying to talk to my friends about IM. It's just easier that way. All I say is that I build litle websites that sells things and keep it at that.

      Just tell them you build websites and move on. They don't have to or want to know about upsells etc. Don't even waste your time.

      I've found that talking about this stuff to older, more intelligent people is actually fun because they find this stuff interesting.

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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      Because if they know that I quit my job, they're naturally going to want to know what's up and how I'm paying rent. I won't tell if they don't ask, but if I get defensive it would arise suspicion. If I say I'm an entrepreneur, well, drug dealers are too, technically. As I said, I'm paranoid. Even some of my best friends think IM is a scam. I lost a few because of it, but I suppose sacrifices have to be made. I was explaining the concept of upsells to one guy and he automatically replied "oh so it's a scam", which makes no sense.
      Ask your friend if McDonald's a scam - they always ask for an upsell (Do you want to take the Large set instead? Do you want Large fries to go with your order?).

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  • Profile picture of the author BryanC
    I'd just tell them you're a day trader and be done with it.

    Most people know what that is and it beats having to explain IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    As long as you pay your rent, there is nothing that your landlord can legally do unless he can prove that your money comes from Illegal sources. Which means, you have nothing to worry about. If he tries to evict you for "Quitting your job", he'll have a tough time in court since you haven't missed a payment. Besides, its your own private life and your landlord doesn't have the right to intrude as long as rent is paid on time.
    Does the electric company or your Internet Provider care if you have a job, or are they interested in you paying your bills on time? Same situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    Good points everyone, I really appreciate the Warrior Forum since people respond so fast. And it IS no one else's business, it's just, you never know when some lunatic is going to try to get you in trouble when they don't understand what's going on. The salesman thing would be amusing, I could be like "oh, I sell vacuums online instead of door to door"! As for upsells, I should have just said "Would you like fries with that? How about a large soda? Those are upsells!" It would have been a more practical example at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Use bigger words to impress them.

    Examples:
    "I'm an e-Commerce consultant"(if you sell with an online store)
    "I'm an online business developer" (if you flip blogs)
    "I'm an online publisher" (if you do Adsense)
    "I'm doing online leads gathering system consultant" (if you do CPA)
    "I'm a webmaster" (if you do web hosting)

    You get the idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Use bigger words to impress them.

      Examples:
      "I'm an e-Commerce consultant"(if you sell with an online store)
      "I'm an online business developer" (if you flip blogs)
      "I'm an online publisher" (if you do Adsense)
      "I'm doing online leads gathering system consultant" (if you do CPA)
      "I'm a webmaster" (if you do web hosting)

      You get the idea.
      THOSE are big words!?!?!? I could MAYBE see how "webmaster" might get them thinking but is the rest really that likely to impress?

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  • Profile picture of the author Meharis
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    About a month ago I finally quit my normal job, thanks to Internet marketing. I am even creating my first official Internet marketing product because of it, since I've created some unique systems.

    Anyway, that's all great, but there is something that angers me quite a bit: those who don't understand Internet marketing and think it's all illegal or a scam. There are more ignorant people out there than you may realize, and they can be dangerous if you don't deal with them wisely.

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.

    Actually, nearly all the rent I've paid them the past half year has been from my own business efforts, so I could mention that. I just don't want to use the wrong words. Any thoughts?
    JD Nunes,
    Now days you have to "Look" what you "Are". In your case is very simple to resolve
    and also very healthy. Here are the steps:
    1. Go to a Verizon Store and get yourself a USB760 Wireless Device.
    I was using this service in the middle of Wyoming and using my laptop with great
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    2. Now, every morning you can get out of your house and come back at 6pm looking
    like a hard worker. The reality was that you where at Starbucks or any other place
    you like working and being relaxed. Beach, lake , mountain around ?
    I don't have your problem with a landlord but, I get out of my apartment and my
    production is much, much better and I feel great having that kind of freedom.
    Well, JD, you have the answer to your problem. Don't fight the system...Find the
    way around it without stepping in someones toes.
    Let us know if the "Blueprint" worked for you.
    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    I tell people I build websites. The downside of that is that sometimes I get asked to build one for the person I'm talking to (or his brother-in-law, or....)
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    • Profile picture of the author miked
      Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      I tell people I build websites. The downside of that is that sometimes I get asked to build one for the person I'm talking to (or his brother-in-law, or....)
      Just give them your high end quote for building websites... that will make them go away
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    • Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      I tell people I build websites. The downside of that is that sometimes I get asked to build one for the person I'm talking to (or his brother-in-law, or....)
      Lol, I tell them the same However, if they go on and truly want a website, it's usually no problem, can have it up and running within less than an hour on a pretty looking WP install. And of course, when they hear that they have to pay you a small monthly fee, most of them jump aboard. Those that pay you...well...you just got free hosting and then some more (after a few months, maybe introduce them to your premium SEO services as well!)
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  • Profile picture of the author terrapurus
    Tell them you are a digital publisher or you own your own digital media company. It is a far more modern description. Not to mention more professional sounding.
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    • Profile picture of the author dwatkins
      Originally Posted by terrapurus View Post

      Tell them you are a digital publisher or you own your own digital media company. It is a far more modern description. Not to mention more professional sounding.
      I think I'm going to try that one! I actually had my next door neighbor call the cops accusing me of stealing from him. Apparently someone stole his cigarettes and other small items off his dining room table. I've never even been in his house, but he decided that I must have done it because as he told the cops I "have no job, but always seem to have money".

      When the cops came to the door, they asked me what I did for a living and I told them that I worked on the internet writing website content. I got a very sarcastic "How's that working for you?" I just smiled and said "very well, I probably make more than you do."

      I was livid, still am to an extent, that he would assume that I was stealing from him just because I don't go to work every day. I think his guilty conscious was invading my territory.:rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author debra
        If anybody insists on asking (and they will) I tell them that I'm in Market Research and Developement.

        That usually satisfies them and they shutup and go away.
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      • Profile picture of the author theoneinventor
        Originally Posted by dwatkins View Post

        I think I'm going to try that one! I actually had my next door neighbor call the cops accusing me of stealing from him. Apparently someone stole his cigarettes and other small items off his dining room table. I've never even been in his house, but he decided that I must have done it because as he told the cops I "have no job, but always seem to have money".

        When the cops came to the door, they asked me what I did for a living and I told them that I worked on the internet writing website content. I got a very sarcastic "How's that working for you?" I just smiled and said "very well, I probably make more than you do."

        I was livid, still am to an extent, that he would assume that I was stealing from him just because I don't go to work every day. I think his guilty conscious was invading my territory.:rolleyes:
        When I try to explain myself to people I feel like they internally patronize me, barely holding back sarcastic comments about how I'll never make money etc. Usually they are nice, but I can tell, they don't get it.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by dwatkins View Post

        I think I'm going to try that one! I actually had my next door neighbor call the cops accusing me of stealing from him. Apparently someone stole his cigarettes and other small items off his dining room table. I've never even been in his house, but he decided that I must have done it because as he told the cops I "have no job, but always seem to have money".

        When the cops came to the door, they asked me what I did for a living and I told them that I worked on the internet writing website content. I got a very sarcastic "How's that working for you?" I just smiled and said "very well, I probably make more than you do."

        I was livid, still am to an extent, that he would assume that I was stealing from him just because I don't go to work every day. I think his guilty conscious was invading my territory.:rolleyes:
        GEE, I would ask the cops to arrest HIM! WHY? Because he is bothering the cops, effectively submitting a false police report(which I believe is a felony!), slandering people, and effectively stealing from the american tax payer for such TRIVIAL stuff! CIGARETTES?!?!? COME ON!

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  • Profile picture of the author bradmarcus1
    Hello J D Nunes. Yes, it's amazing how many people are still in the "Dark Ages". They think anything other than a traditional job or a storefront business is a scam or a pyramid scheme. Give me a break!!! I was able to quit my job almost 3 years ago. J D, say what you feel most comfortable with.... Entrepreneur, Internet or Online Marketer, Home Business Owner... What describes you best? Don't worry what other people think of you!

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  • Profile picture of the author bizbop
    I still don't understand, unless you are friends with your landlord and feel like you need to divulge that information with them. In all honesty it's kind of silly; if you just had your regular job, the landlord just needs to know that you have worked with x company for x amount of time. They don't need to know the details of what you do there.

    Same thing when your self-employed; they may have different stipulations to qualifying for a home, but the principles are still the same.

    If you worked at McDonalds would you really need to tell them that you flip burgers or would you just tell them you worked at McDonalds?
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by bizbop View Post

      If you worked at McDonalds would you really need to tell them that you flip burgers or would you just tell them you worked at McDonalds?
      In some cases YES! If you don't have a credit history, they may want to assess it THEMSELVES! That means check stubs, tax returns, and/or an explanation. If you don't comply, you may not get the apartment.

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      • Profile picture of the author danicat
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        In some cases YES! If you don't have a credit history, they may want to assess it THEMSELVES! That means check stubs, tax returns, and/or an explanation. If you don't comply, you may not get the apartment.

        Steve
        Likely not. Employment and pay rate is good enough. You dont even have to tell the irs what you do when you file. My husband put 11B as his "job" on everything. You think the apartment manager knew that 11b meant infantry? Nope, it didn't matter anyhow, only the pay and job stability mattered.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by danicat View Post

          Likely not. Employment and pay rate is good enough. You dont even have to tell the irs what you do when you file. My husband put 11B as his "job" on everything. You think the apartment manager knew that 11b meant infantry? Nope, it didn't matter anyhow, only the pay and job stability mattered.
          The IRS is TOTALLY different! All the IRS wants is money based on what you MADE! If you make nothing, they will not press to get ANYTHING! If you are unemployed, NO PROBLEM!

          Landlords want what you agreed to pay them. If you make nothing, they will press HARDER! If you are unemployed, you can be out on your kiester!

          If 11b meant infantry, I guess he was in the military? If so, that meant at least one of two things:

          1. He was in the military.
          2. He had a credit report, tax returns, etc....

          You guys do NOT get it! They don't care what you do, they care if you can pay and will be a good tenant.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lauryn
    I'd just say that I am a consultant.

    When they ask, "What do you consult in?"

    I'll pick a subject I market in, such as infidelity or that I do SEO, and then keep it moving!
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  • Profile picture of the author kenny5
    Yep this really angers me too. I hate what the actual scammers have done to the rest of us honest internet marketers. It's a shame
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  • Profile picture of the author amjonathan
    People like your landlord should mind their own business. If they feel they have a legitimate concern, tell them to pursue it. Haha.

    But, I have had the same problems in the past when I worked remotely. I just said I worked for an online advertising firm remotely. Having remote employees saved the company money. They usually left it alone after that.

    Telling them too much leads to more questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Laura B
    I do what Kevin does, tell them I build web sites for people. It's simple enough for the uninitiated to understand but sounds legit (because it is).
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  • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
    You need to know a tiny bit about internet marketing in order to think it is a scam. Most outside folks know so little about it, they can not pass any judgement regarding it at all.

    Now if you are trying to explain it to them, that is a different story. That is where they may not believe that you are actually doing what you are telling them (and making all this money).

    I have been making a full time living off the net for ten years now. Back in the day, I never heard the term "internet marketing". I told people that I was an internet consultant. Never had any issues with that title. No need to explain how I did what I did.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      Why would you tell them anything? I don't get your point...

      Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Spin in... you don't need to be an internet marketer. In fact, your landlords don't need to know what you do.

      You are self employed, simple as that. Your business is in marketing or sales or whatever, be creative.

      For example, if you sold a WSO teaching how to make a million in a day you could tell people that you are a business consultant. See how easy that was to spin into a respectable business that people understand.
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      I still don't get it. I value my privacy... if you asked and I didn't
      feel like telling you I'd probably tell you to not worry about it as long
      as the checks cash.

      If I felt like appeasing you I'd probably tell you I got a job where
      I could telecommute and work at home.

      Unless you're doing something that places the landlord in legal
      jeopardy it's really none of their business how you earn a living.

      Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      I tell people I build websites. The downside of that is that sometimes I get asked to build one for the person I'm talking to (or his brother-in-law, or....)
      I agree with all the above quotes. The last one is really the truth and like Kevin, I end up doing a website for the person I'm talking about my business with. But the fact is, what I do in my business, is just that, my business. To the OP: As long as the landlord gets the money they usually don't care. Money talks. And...as long as you aren't running an illegal business, you have nothing to worry about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
    Don't tell people you're an "internet marketer". Tell them you have an online business and you sell books/software/whatever online. There's no point in going into detail about it because people either won't understand, don't care, or will think you're up to something sketchy.

    The only time I'd bother going into detail is if they're asking because they want to know how to do what you do themselves, or if they might be looking to pay for your services.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hey JD

      Be proud of what you do. Not many people either know how to do it or get it right.

      Just remember that - opinions are like backsides - everybody has got one...

      Just move on - and kick butt (no pun intented)...LOL

      Regards

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      Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully View Post

      Don't tell people you're an "internet marketer". Tell them you have an online business and you sell books/software/whatever online. There's no point in going into detail about it because people either won't understand, don't care, or will think you're up to something sketchy.

      The only time I'd bother going into detail is if they're asking because they want to know how to do what you do themselves, or if they might be looking to pay for your services.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    One of today's comments:

    The internet is about sports scores, pictures of halle berry, and googling random **** you think of. You people with your get rich quick schemes ruin it for the rest of us.
    I guess he doesn't think that the people that post pictures of Halle or sports scores are doing it for money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.
    Old doesn't mean stupid.

    Tell them you work online now if they ask. As long as you pay the rent they don't really need to know any more than that, do they?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Dickens
    yea man, I have been full time for a couple years now, and sometimes the whole "self employed" thing looks kinda shady.

    I just say I run a "marketing" company, and I feel you about landlords and rent, they stress because they wonder about how steady your income is.

    If you document everything well, and try to explain it a little, it usually works out cool. I get a lot of "can you teach me" responses.

    anyhow this is my first post... I have read this forum for 5 years, never registered...

    It's about time I start giving back.

    Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author excuzemee
    if it's any consolation... my friend is an ebay powerseller and one day he got a letter in the mail from the police saying to watch out for possible drug dealers living in the area (neighbors called it in). and they listed criteria like...
    weird hours.
    money without an apparent 9-5 job.
    sudden appearance of expensive cars...

    he fit the list to a tee.... just he was making money online when people didn't understand that you could.

    it's nobody's business what your business is... tell 'em you have an internet business. two small words that everyone is familiar with, but don't understand... and can mean anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bashty
      Originally Posted by excuzemee View Post

      if it's any consolation... my friend is an ebay powerseller and one day he got a letter in the mail from the police saying to watch out for possible drug dealers living in the area (neighbors called it in). and they listed criteria like...
      weird hours.
      money without an apparent 9-5 job.
      sudden appearance of expensive cars...

      he fit the list to a tee.... just he was making money online when people didn't understand that you could.

      it's nobody's business what your business is... tell 'em you have an internet business. two small words that everyone is familiar with, but don't understand... and can mean anything.
      LOL I would have laughed my butt off so hard... Sudden appearance of expensive cars

      Except from that being really funny, I'd think about going over to the neighbours place and explaining to them that I'm not a drug dealer. You never know when you might need your neighbours help


      Originally Posted by terrapurus View Post

      Tell them you are a digital publisher or you own your own digital media company. It is a far more modern description. Not to mention more professional sounding.
      I really like this one. Although I think it could still be pushed a little bit by adding something... "Digital Publisher [..]" any ideas?
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Bashty View Post

        LOL I would have laughed my butt off so hard... Sudden appearance of expensive cars

        Except from that being really funny, I'd think about going over to the neighbours place and explaining to them that I'm not a drug dealer. You never know when you might need your neighbours help
        I think you'd open up a whole can of worms by trying to explain what you do in more detail to your neighbors, especially if they know very little about how you can make money on the internet. The majority of people just don't "get" internet business, and in my opinion this will make them become envious or even more suspicious of you!

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  • Profile picture of the author DavidAnthony
    Congratulations! on quitting your "Normal" job. I took action on the helpful links it was great, keep posting the good stuff and FIRE burning!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I love how people don't know what I'm doing.

    I tell people I sell drugs and I'm a drug dealer! Haha I stole that line from Timothy Ferris from the 4 Hour Work Week!
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I know what you mean about the average person on the street thinking that internet marketing is a scam. The minute you mention IM or some ad pops up on the computer about it, they automatically and reflexively think "scam" without giving it further thought.

    I'd say as little as possible to your landlord. It is none of their business, and you're doing absolutely nothing illegal. As long as you're paying your rent on time and not causing any problems, they should be happy. You're being a model tenant who is doing everything by the book, so why should they care? You have a right to privacy and a right not to disclose anything to them.

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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    I just tell people I run a few websites, or am a web designer. I don't expect them to undertsand what IM is about.

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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    First of all are you operating your business with honesty and integrity?

    If you are then your attitude should come across to everyone you talk to.

    Second you have an internet based business.

    Many business owners will have a challenge explaining what their business really is to people.

    Get over it.

    People don't have to understand what you do to respect you.

    Do you really understand even a fraction of the professions and businesses in the world?

    Why would you expect people to understand yours.

    If you treat people with respect then they will tend to give you respect back and that should be enough for you.

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  • Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    there is something that angers me quite a bit: those who don't understand Internet marketing and think it's all illegal or a scam. There are more ignorant people out there than you may realize, and they can be dangerous if you don't deal with them wisely.
    I gave up A LONG TIME ago on trying to explain what I do for a living. Now a days I simply say that I am a freelance web admin/designer/developer. Obviously, it's got nothing to do with what we do but it's the closest thing and people actually understand/respect it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      I gave up A LONG TIME ago on trying to explain what I do for a living. Now a days I simply say that I am a freelance web admin/designer/developer. Obviously, it's got nothing to do with what we do but it's the closest thing and people actually understand/respect it.

      In a nutshell... this!

      You have to remember that most people (including us before we saw the light) are brainwashed into the old get an education and a career paradigm in life.

      We are almost like a breed of aliens with superior intelligence walking amongst mere humans.

      Live long and prosper.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    ....those who don't understand
    Since leaving my full time job over 3 years ago Ive learnt that the majority of people "dont understand" much about anything. Unfortunately for many of them, they go through life like zombies, with 9 - 5 mentality, complaining about everything, including money, or the lack of it.

    Forget about em dude, they're beyond saving.
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    • Profile picture of the author COBSolutions
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Since leaving my full time job over 3 years ago Ive learnt that the majority of people "dont understand" much about anything. Unfortunately for many of them, they go through life like zombies, with 9 - 5 mentality, complaining about everything, including money, or the lack of it.

      Forget about em dude, they're beyond saving.
      Quite true there, i personally like to work more than 8 hours a day, only when everyone is watching television and i prefer to sip tea in my balcony when others are slogging away 9-5, well i like that feeling and dont much bother to make people understand what i do, they just know that i earn money from internet, more the explanations you give more red flags that you raise, because no one makes an effort to understand and are busy thinking about the happenings of 9-5, just that my accountant and tax guy understands what i do from my tax statements, adsense cheques and paypal transfers, i think that is good enough for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFI
    I tell everyone I'm a "Freelance Web Designer". Which is partly true, I've designed sites for others but it just doesn't raise any red flags and it's something other people can understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.
    I've been self-employed for over 11 years and never had a negative reaction to it when I've told people that I'm self-employed.

    I've never called myself an Internet Marketer and it's really nobody's business what I do unless I want to tell them.

    If you think it'll be a problem with your landlord saying Internet Marketer, say self-employed and use any business model you want ... such as ecommerce store, graphic designer, whatever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    Hey JD

    Just a friendly heads up for you I tried to get the free demo however when I got your confirmation email from aweber all your links were blocked by gmail with the following message in bid red block letters

    Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal information.

    Might want to get that sorted asap

    all the best

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  • Profile picture of the author jackryan588
    While Internet Marketing is real and is serving it's purpose, it is something that is still quite difficult to explain in one sentence, especially to someone who does not think that selling products and information, and making money on the net is possible.

    But somehow, Company's websites that promotes and market a company's product is well accepted.

    Morgan
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      JD,

      A psychologist MIGHT say that you are "projecting".

      Relax and enjoy your success.....
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    You're self employed. Or, you "sell stuff." Period.

    Ask a doctor what she does, and she's not going to go into some technical crap about what she does. She'll say, "I'm a doctor." And that's because everyone understands that term.

    Ask a car mechanic what he does, and he's not going to go into great detail about car parts you've never even heard of. He's going to say, "I fix cars." And that's because everyone understands that term.

    Ask a political consultant what she does, and she's not going to go into a deep conversation about how they come up with statistically significant and reliable polling data. Instead, she'll say, "I'm a campaign manager." And that's because everyone understands that term.

    In other words, don't try to impress anyone or use jargon they don't understand (like upsell). Just keep it simple, like saying you work in "sales." Most people won't ask any further questions. And you don't have to answer anyone who persists.

    cheers,
    Becky
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Tell them you have a tiny classified ads business...


      ...it's complex.
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      I agree with the other posters. Just tell them you run your own business, run a small business from home or something similar. Don't give them too much to go with.

      At the same time you can have fun with it, especially with people that are not really close to you. The other day I was talking to one of my college professors after class about what I wanted to do when I graduated. He wanted to know where I was going to work. I looked at him like he was nuts and said I couldn't afford to take a job. If I took a job I would lose money because I make way more than what a job would pay with my online business. He asked why I was going to school and once again I gave him that look like he was going crazy and said I wanted to get an education. After some of that awkward silence for a little bit, I just walked off.
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  • Profile picture of the author fullmatrix
    I often told old people that I'm in advertising business, I'm the designer and I draw with my computer. They usually get the concept easily. Most of them know what advertising is all about but doesn't have much knowledge to ask further.

    I know that it isn't necessary to explain what we do, but we are a social being and sometimes we couldn't avoid that kind of social contact, so I just made a short and simple answer that can easily understood. Then walk away or change the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rough Outline
    Tell him you're a secret agent and that if he ever wants to see his wife and kids ever again that he better keep his mouth shut. That'll sort him out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    The lowest common denominator approach:

    "I find customers for businesses online".

    or

    "I connect people and products online".
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    • Profile picture of the author ColdFire123
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      The lowest common denominator approach:

      "I find customers for businesses online".

      or

      "I connect people and products online".
      I think Gene's post makes more sense than any other post in here. Its polite, vague and straight to the point....
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  • Profile picture of the author jointaldc
    it's hard to find people that understand what you do, or aren't skeptical, all I do is tell them I'm in marketing, or sales. They get the idea
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    NY1, you have a good point. I just took a look at my tenant lease agreement, and I quote:

    "PURPOSE OF TENANCY:
    A. It is understood and agreed between the parties thereto that said premises shall be used and occupied for residence purposes only.
    B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."

    Now, what constitutes "private businesses" and what does not? Technically, the business is occurring on payment processors which are hosted on computers in random locations throughout the country or even world.

    It's really no one else's business what I do on my personal computer. So I should at least explain that I am an Internet entrepreneur, or perhaps author - this way, it doesn't make it seem like people are coming in and out to the physical location of my apartment to conduct business, which isn't the case. (Although what I really want to say is "I'm not your property!")

    Anyway, tons of Internet marketers live in apartments with similar contracts. It shouldn't be a concern, it's just, people are plain stupid and you have to deal with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slade556
    Unfortunately a few bad apples (ok let's be real, several bad apples) ruin the internet marketing image for the rest of us. I too have experienced what you are talking about. It depends who you talk to and what their experience with the internet is but I have definitely run into people thinking 'scam' when I tell them I make my money from IM.

    I echo the statement that saying you are 'self employed' seems to alleviate a lot of people's worries as to how your money is made. Another one that has been effective for me is to say "I have my own business."
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I don't care for the terms 'Internet Marketing' and 'Internet Marketer'...

      When someone tells me they're an Internet Marketer, my first impulse is to ask them how many Internets they've sold this month.

      I just tell people I manage an online marketing company and a publishing company. The fact that I own both companies isn't relevant. People understand 'manager' much easier than 'business owner', especially if you don't have a physical business location they can see.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aiarashi
    Why does it anger you?
    Don't get angry, understand that they just don't know what it is about and that they might have had a lot of different experiences with sales people, online or otherwise. And you probably can't do much to change the way they think.
    Just be cool about it and don't get angry.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    I'm angry because ignorant people can RUIN your life if you let them. I should get a good lawyer just in case...
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      I'm angry because ignorant people can RUIN your life if you let them. I should get a good lawyer just in case...
      The key to your first sentence is in the last four words - if you let them. Getting bent out of shape over something you have no control over is a colossal waste of energy. You've given control over your thinking and emotions to someone who doesn't even know they have control.

      The best thing you can do is recognize the situation for what it is and take whatever precautions you can (i.e., getting that lawyer lined up), then going about your business.

      Getting REALLY angry won't change anything except your blood pressure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    LOL!
    I just tell them I play on the computer and that my wife will vouch for
    me. If they don't believe me, then I tell them to go ahead and ask her?

    That normally shuts them up!

    Have a Great Day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Who writes your check or direct deposit? Paypal, Clickbank, Amazon, Google, etc???

      Tell your landlord that you work for them. Leave it at that.

      If they need to see documentation, show them a check stub or earnings statement.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    I think I'm just going to say "I'm an Internet marketer, and don't worry, the business is not conducted on the premises, it is conducted on the INTERNET." lol. If I'm asked the details of what I do I could say "Whatever I want, whenever I want." or perhaps "Whatever's profitable."
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's really no one else's business what I do on my personal computer. So I should at least explain that I am an Internet entrepreneur, or perhaps author - this way, it doesn't make it seem like people are coming in and out to the physical location of my apartment to conduct business, which isn't the case. (Although what I really want to say is "I'm not your property!")
      I don't see why you think you have to say anything. Has the landlord asked a question? Most landlords and neighbors don't care what you do as long as you aren't causing problems for them.

      You sound as if you are looking for an argument and I don't think any of this is necessary. "Business on the premises" is a statement in many leases and is along the lines of zoning regulations that limit where you can do business.

      You are doing business online - so there should be no problem unless you call attention to it.

      kay
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

      I think I'm just going to say "I'm an Internet marketer, and don't worry, the business is not conducted on the premises, it is conducted on the INTERNET." lol. If I'm asked the details of what I do I could say "Whatever I want, whenever I want." or perhaps "Whatever's profitable."
      You could just say that you earn commissions for sales on the internet. Why make it any more complex than that?
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    Jennifer, thanks, that's the simplest, yet most efficient answer I've seen so far. For everyone else who asked, the reason they would want to know is risk prevention. They probably want to make sure that nothing fishy is going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I agree with the posts to keep your comments postitve. I just tell people I do online advertising which is generally what I do.

    However, I don't agree with the posts that it is none of the landlord's business. Landlords DO have a right to know what their tennants do in an apartment they rent. It is in every lease I have ever seen. Would you want someone running a daycare center in the apartment next to you? Would you want someone running a music studio next to you and blasting music all night? Sure there are limits to how much they need to know but overall it is protecting both landlord and tennants. Usually the only time they would inquire is if there are problems reported by other tennants. I would not worry about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      I agree with the posts to keep your comments positive. I just tell people I do online advertising which is generally what I do.

      However, I don't agree with the posts that it is none of the landlord's business. Landlords DO have a right to know what their tennants do in an apartment they rent. It is in every lease I have ever seen. Would you want someone running a daycare center in the apartment next to you? Would you want someone running a music studio next to you and blasting music all night? Sure there are limits to how much they need to know but overall it is protecting both landlord and tenants. Usually the only time they would inquire is if there are problems reported by other tenants. I would not worry about it.
      Janice you are so right. I never had someone open a daycare in the next apartment, but I once had a hooker living in the apartment above me, and she was a screamer.

      And in this part of Florida, grow houses are an increasing problem with all the speculators desperate for rental income. Within sight of my lanai is a house we thought were ideal neighbors - quiet, minded their own business, kept the yard up nicely - until the night the cops borke the door down and started carting out the pot plants...
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        but I once had a hooker living in the apartment above me, and she was a screamer.
        I had a situation like that once too. I wasn't sure if the two girls living up there were professionals or gifted amateurs but they certainly had a parade of older, wealthy, men driving new sports cars visiting them regularly.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

          I had a situation like that once too. I wasn't sure if the two girls living up there were professionals or gifted amateurs but they certainly had a parade of older, wealthy, men driving new sports cars visiting them regularly.
          Older Woman: I never see you go to a job. What do you do for a living?

          Young Hottie: I date.

          OW: How can anyone make a living by dating?

          YH: I'm a great date...
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          • Profile picture of the author Ehanson
            Is there some dispute between you and your landlord? Are you apartment hunting?

            Most landlords just want to make sure you can pay the rent on time and as long as you're not running drugs or operating an escorting business out of your apartment you should be fine.

            A lot people run a business out of their apartment. In New York, there's a lot of day traders who live in co-op buildings with strict rules for tenants. I wouldn't worry about it too much as many landlords only want to see a recent bank statement; not a resume.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rex.T
    Just tell your landlord that you're bumming away with some dough you received from an inheritance from a long lost uncle. No need to complicate matters with the Internet biz whatsoever. Why give them a reason to find fault?



    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    About a month ago I finally quit my normal job, thanks to Internet marketing. I am even creating my first official Internet marketing product because of it, since I've created some unique systems.

    Anyway, that's all great, but there is something that angers me quite a bit: those who don't understand Internet marketing and think it's all illegal or a scam. There are more ignorant people out there than you may realize, and they can be dangerous if you don't deal with them wisely.

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.

    Actually, nearly all the rent I've paid them the past half year has been from my own business efforts, so I could mention that. I just don't want to use the wrong words. Any thoughts?

    Edit: I posted this as a response on the second page but people may not see it so I am pasting it here:

    I just took a look at my tenant lease agreement, and I quote:

    "PURPOSE OF TENANCY:
    A. It is understood and agreed between the parties thereto that said premises shall be used and occupied for residence purposes only.
    B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."

    Now, what constitutes "private businesses" and what does not? Technically, the business is occurring on payment processors which are hosted on computers in random locations throughout the country or even world.

    It's really no one else's business what I do on my personal computer. So I should at least explain that I am an Internet entrepreneur, or perhaps author - this way, it doesn't make it seem like people are coming in and out to the physical location of my apartment to conduct business, which isn't the case. (Although what I really want to say is "I'm not your property!")

    Anyway, tons of Internet marketers live in apartments with similar contracts. It shouldn't be a concern, it's just, people are plain stupid and you have to deal with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
    Give them an hour long lecture (possibly include a Power Point presentation) of niche marketing and the benefits of SEO (really go into detail about image alt tags) and bore the heck out of 'em

    As they walk/run away yell "Tomorrows lesson is PHP coding".

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    I just took a look at my tenant lease agreement, and I quote:

    "PURPOSE OF TENANCY:
    A. It is understood and agreed between the parties thereto that said premises shall be used and occupied for residence purposes only.
    B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."

    Now, what constitutes "private businesses" and what does not? Technically, the business is occurring on payment processors which are hosted on computers in random locations throughout the country or even world.
    ACTUALLY, traditionally, this means like having people over on a regular basis, like a store, etc... So a person doing IM would be EXEMPT! If you were a R/E agent, and had people meet you there, THAT might be pushing it.

    And YOU ARE using it for residence purposes "ONLY"! AGAIN, you have to read traditional meaning, etc... after all, I ASSUME you have a restroom and a kitchen, etc...

    BTW business has NOTHING to do with cash or credit really, so the payment processor is NOT where your business is done. If that WERE the case, business would only be done in a few cities in the US in a a few states. The payment processors do NOTHING but facilitate the exchange which, in this case HAPPENS to be cash through credit. If you were bartering, etc... it would business WITHOUT the cash or credit.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter. The reason why they put that statement in community and apartment contracts, it is BOILER PLATE STANDARD, is because they don't want people to run businesses and overwhelm the area with traffic. It is perfectly reasonable, legal, and traditional. Look at ANY such contract, and you will likely see the same thing!

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW it is STANDARD to look down on "self employed" people. MANY are nothing of the sort! Being "self employed" for several months or more tends to hurt chances for employment at a job. I know that some people in the past wanted to see THREE YEARS of returns to determine credit worthiness. For a job, it is more like 2 pay periods.

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  • Profile picture of the author mark587905
    Dont let the fools drive you down. IM is not a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author danicat
    Why bother with being self employed? Get a dba, payroll yourself on a commission basis. Its really the least you should be doing anyhow. Then you simply say you work in marketing for whatever company name. And get a po box for your business.
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    Just tell um them your smart. ;-p
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick B
    I've never had any problem like this. I've found that all a landlord or lender cares about is that you can prove that you earn enough to pay the rent or make the loan payments. Usually they ask for copies of my last two years income tax returns as proof.

    The problem with many people is that they don't report all their income and then can't show proof of sufficient income. When they explain that they earn much more than their 1040 form shows, they are admitting to being a crook (income tax evasion = felony). So why would the landlord or lender trust them to be honest with them and make their payments?

    As far as people not wanting to accept online income as a valid way to earn money, I've found just the opposite. Most people I've done business with have been very impressed that I'm able to support myself via online income. They've heard of that possiblity but never actually met anyone doing it until they met me.

    Anyway ... that's been my experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Rick B View Post

      I've never had any problem like this. I've found that all a landlord or lender cares about is that you can prove that you earn enough to pay the rent or make the loan payments. Usually they ask for copies of my last two years income tax returns as proof.

      The problem with many people is that they don't report all their income and then can't show proof of sufficient income. When they explain that they earn much more than their 1040 form shows, they are admitting to being a crook (income tax evasion = felony). So why would the landlord or lender trust them to be honest with them and make their payments?

      As far as people not wanting to accept online income as a valid way to earn money, I've found just the opposite. Most people I've done business with have been very impressed that I'm able to support myself via online income. They've heard of that possiblity but never actually met anyone doing it until they met me.

      Anyway ... that's been my experience.
      This is absolutely true. As long as you initially qualified for a lease, they should not be asking any questions now as long as you're current on your rent. Why would it be their business as long as you're a tenant in good standing?

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  • Profile picture of the author pickthat apple
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post



    [...]I just took a look at my tenant lease agreement, and I quote:

    "PURPOSE OF TENANCY:
    A. It is understood and agreed between the parties thereto that said premises shall be used and occupied for residence purposes only.
    B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."

    Now, what constitutes "private businesses" and what does not? Technically, the business is occurring on payment processors which are hosted on computers in random locations throughout the country or even world.

    It's really no one else's business what I do on my personal computer. So I should at least explain that I am an Internet entrepreneur, or perhaps author - this way, it doesn't make it seem like people are coming in and out to the physical location of my apartment to conduct business, which isn't the case. (Although what I really want to say is "I'm not your property!")

    Anyway, tons of Internet marketers live in apartments with similar contracts. It shouldn't be a concern, it's just, people are plain stupid and you have to deal with it.
    Hi- what probably would concern the landlord is: having you run a business which could involve some aggravations for him (example: high number of people coming and going and damaging the property).
    I don't see how running a business on the computer can aggravate him, aside from the fact of having you indoors for too long and he doesn't like that.
    But anyway, if you have already signed the contract, it is kind of too late to ask for explanations.
    So, if it comes to the point that he will want to find out about your job, I think it is quite fair to say that you are running a few websites (just to make it simple for him to understand) and paying taxes like everybody else. He may want to see an evidence, for reassurance.
    I would not suggest to be evasive with a nosy landlord (there's all sorts), because he will definitely interpret it as if you want to hide something.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore


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    "I quit my job, but..."
    I don´t get it. Why would you tell anyone you don´t have a job anymore? Your current job is what you are doing. Running a business is the same as "having a job". You do consider your IM activity as a business, right? Take what you are doing seriously and make no excuses. It alsmost sounds as if you are ashamed of what you do. Who cares what other people think. Change you mindset. Be positive, proud and go forward.

    As everyone else has suggested, if you must say anything at all, don´t call your current occupation Internet Marketer. Don´t call yourself self-employed. Don´t mention blogs. Choose something that the average Joe will understand. If you must.


    B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."


    These kind of clauses are probably designed to keep people from selling physical goods and opeing shop in the apartment. And from running a brothel. Or setting up a model photography studio. Or carpentry workshop. Anything that will disturb the other tennants.

    What you are doing (in lesser or larger degree) is comparable to what huge numbers of employed people (that have a "job") do when they occasionally bring some work home and go online to network, answer mails and post on blogs.

    Suppose you are a book author. You write. You produce novels. At home.
    I am confident no landlord can get you evicted for conducting this kind of "private business" from your apartment.
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    • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
      Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post



      "I quit my job, but..."
      I don´t get it. Why would you tell anyone you don´t have a job anymore? Your current job is what you are doing. Running a business is the same as "having a job". You do consider your IM activity as a business, right? Take what you are doing seriously and make no excuses. It alsmost sounds as if you are ashamed of what you do. Who cares what other people think. Change you mindset. Be positive, proud and go forward.

      Suppose you are a book author. You write. You produce novels. At home.
      I am confident no landlord can get you evicted for conducting this kind of "private business" from your apartment.
      I do take pride in what I do. Considering it my own business makes it the opposite of a normal job since I am not an employee anymore.

      And actually, if I end up paying my lease off all at once, I've decided to say "I published a book!" and leave it at that, since that is what I happen to be doing with some of my Internet marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

        I do take pride in what I do. Considering it my own business makes it the opposite of a normal job since I am not an employee anymore.

        And actually, if I end up paying my lease off all at once, I've decided to say "I published a book!" and leave it at that, since that is what I happen to be doing with some of my Internet marketing.
        This is a much more productive plan than sitting on this forum, telling us how angry you are over something you can't control or change. Good job...
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        • Profile picture of the author frankm
          Lol a bit off topic but my mother had an apartment rented out to 2 beautiful foreign women.

          Every time she called over to collect the rent the place was spotless, no personal possessions around, and it was really warm.

          She knew immediately they were 'working girls' but didn't pretend they knew.

          They stayed for 2 years but when the neighbors finally copped on and complained she evicted them.

          But she still says they were the best tenants she ever had!

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  • Profile picture of the author Sergiu FUNIERU
    I would say that I quit my job because I'm a student to a new college. I learn at home, in front of the computer, and I pay the rent from the scholarship. Everything fits what the landlord sees from outside.

    If the landlord says "But you've told me that you are an IM", you'll smile, and say "Co'mon, I thougt you have the sense of humor! Do you actually think I'm that smart?" You'll be surprised how many people treats you better when they feel smarter than you.

    By the way, think what you study/at what college before you exit the door tonight, in case you're asked.

    If your landlord doesn't understand IM, you're lucky:
    - you have less competition
    - you don't have him asking you IM questions

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  • Profile picture of the author Erica Leggette
    The landlord shouldn't be concerned with anything other than when your rent is paid.

    My first and only bit of advice would be to stop associating what you do with illegal activities. Ain't nothing wrong with being your own boss!
    If you stop premeditating negative views from others towards your business, it may become a lot easier for you to explain what you do.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Erica Leggett View Post

      The landlord shouldn't be concerned with anything other than when your rent is paid.


      I guess it is a good thing that they are NOT that dumb. In fact, in the US, it is generally ILLEGAL to think that way.

      You see, they don't care if your rent is paid. WHO CARES about that. They want to make a PROFIT! And that means that they have to consider how YOUR tenancy affects OTHERS, AND the final value of their property, as well as yours. THAT means that if you are too noisy, create too much traffic, violate local laws, make things too gaudy, etc... that you could be THROWN OUT ON YOUR EAR!

      FURTHER, laws generally say the landlord must pay for various types of upkeep, etc... So you can't just pay the mortgage from receipts, and keep the rest.

      My first and only bit of advice would be to stop associating what you do with illegal activities. Ain't nothing wrong with being your own boss!
      If you stop premeditating negative views from others towards your business, it may become a lot easier for you to explain what you do.
      If you are only running an associate business, you really aren't doing business there. My mother used to bring her bookkeeping home. My father used to bring his computer work home. Did either of them, in the 60s-80s say they were running a business? NOPE! My mother did it for her employer. My father did it for IBM(then his employer), and a couple customers. Even for the customers, he dealt with them over the phone, or at their business, until he got a regular office.

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  • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
    As a landlord, I tell people that I don't want businesses conducted because a female renting an apartment from me above an actual retail store (same building) was cutting hair and would have people up and down the steps, making noise, and had several people in the apartment all of the time. She was eventually robbed, and then tried to break the lease by claiming the apartment was an unsafe environment.

    Another guy that rents one of my apartments runs a little computer repair store out of the living room of the apartment and advertises in the paper. Never any issues. Pays months in advance.

    I say, keep me updated. If you tell me you are going to run a business out of your apartment for small things like computer repair, I'm unlikely to care, even if it means breaking rules by using a residential property for non-residential purposes. I understand people need to make a living. Don't be bothered if your landlord asks questions, he might have a big mortgage to pay and needs to cover his assets. If you play 'make believe internet marketer' for a while and you aren't earning an income and he starts finding notices about your utilities being shut off for non payment, then he needs to start looking for a new tenant.
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  • Profile picture of the author phpnetpro
    I completely know what you mean. I can't tell you how many years my in-laws called me a lazy bum because I do this for a living, even though I make more than all of them combined!

    My father in law actually tried to convince me for years that I couldn't support a family with internet money and that I should give it up (making over $15k a month at that time) to go work a normal job, even though I do not have a college degree!

    I have not had any problems with landlords in the past, although I don't rent anymore. When I did, I simply let them know what I did for a living and they were all fine with it.

    I don't think they consider that to be a private business. They really don't want you trying to manufacture products or sell things out of your home/apartment.

    One area that I did have problems was early on when I started doing full-time for the first year. I had problems getting approved for financing because I didn't have an accepted way to prove my income. At the time, I made 100% of my money on paypal so all I had was paypal records. I did get a townhome complex to accept it as proof of my income so I could rent there, but beyond that it failed horribly. I tried to get a car loan that year and was denied because I couldn't prove my income, although I made $6k a month and had 25% in cash to put down on the car. I did feel like I was treated like a drug dealer or something at that place. I didn't even attempt to get another loan until I had a tax return to use as proof (this is accepted anywhere, because if you're telling Uncle Sam about it, then it must be real).
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    • Profile picture of the author danicat
      Originally Posted by phpnetpro View Post

      I completely know what you mean. I can't tell you how many years my in-laws called me a lazy bum because I do this for a living, even though I make more than all of them combined!

      My father in law actually tried to convince me for years that I couldn't support a family with internet money and that I should give it up (making over $15k a month at that time) to go work a normal job, even though I do not have a college degree!

      I have not had any problems with landlords in the past, although I don't rent anymore. When I did, I simply let them know what I did for a living and they were all fine with it.

      I don't think they consider that to be a private business. They really don't want you trying to manufacture products or sell things out of your home/apartment.

      One area that I did have problems was early on when I started doing full-time for the first year. I had problems getting approved for financing because I didn't have an accepted way to prove my income. At the time, I made 100% of my money on paypal so all I had was paypal records. I did get a townhome complex to accept it as proof of my income so I could rent there, but beyond that it failed horribly. I tried to get a car loan that year and was denied because I couldn't prove my income, although I made $6k a month and had 25% in cash to put down on the car. I did feel like I was treated like a drug dealer or something at that place. I didn't even attempt to get another loan until I had a tax return to use as proof (this is accepted anywhere, because if you're telling Uncle Sam about it, then it must be real).
      I don't understand this. Why don't you just payroll yourself? It's so simple and you would have verifiable income. I swear I'm going to write an IM bookkeeping ebook! Lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew James
    Originally Posted by JD Nunes View Post

    About a month ago I finally quit my normal job, thanks to Internet marketing. I am even creating my first official Internet marketing product because of it, since I've created some unique systems.

    Anyway, that's all great, but there is something that angers me quite a bit: those who don't understand Internet marketing and think it's all illegal or a scam. There are more ignorant people out there than you may realize, and they can be dangerous if you don't deal with them wisely.

    I'm even paranoid that my own landlords will assume that I'm some type of criminal if I tell them that I don't have a "job" anymore yet have plenty of money to pay rent. And if I say "I'm a self-employed Internet marketer"...well, they're old, and possibly don't "get" the concept.

    Actually, nearly all the rent I've paid them the past half year has been from my own business efforts, so I could mention that. I just don't want to use the wrong words. Any thoughts?

    Edit: I posted this as a response on the second page but people may not see it so I am pasting it here:

    I just took a look at my tenant lease agreement, and I quote:

    "PURPOSE OF TENANCY:
    A. It is understood and agreed between the parties thereto that said premises shall be used and occupied for residence purposes only.
    B. The tenant agrees not to conduct any private businesses on said premises."

    Now, what constitutes "private businesses" and what does not? Technically, the business is occurring on payment processors which are hosted on computers in random locations throughout the country or even world.

    It's really no one else's business what I do on my personal computer. So I should at least explain that I am an Internet entrepreneur, or perhaps author - this way, it doesn't make it seem like people are coming in and out to the physical location of my apartment to conduct business, which isn't the case. (Although what I really want to say is "I'm not your property!")

    Anyway, tons of Internet marketers live in apartments with similar contracts. It shouldn't be a concern, it's just, people are plain stupid and you have to deal with it.
    Just say you have your own Marketing Consultantancy business that specialises in helping business who want to sell online.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    As long as no one is conducting business i.e. people coming in and out as you say, you should be fine
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    I will tell those nosy people that I am a freelance "actor" acting in adults film only....
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Is it really that hard to tell your landlord that you sell products on the internet?
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  • Profile picture of the author Hitanshu
    JD nunes, you can leave your landlord and rent my flat anytime In return you can teach me some secrets on how to quit my job to make full time income on internet marketing!
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  • Profile picture of the author dejurs2000
    Wow, that's really weird thing that happen to you. But if it such a hassle, i guess the best thing is to move out ? lol.

    But yes, self - employed or consultant job description sounds better for the old generation than Internet Marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    Thanks for all of the insights, everyone. I don't think anyone has ever got in trouble for running a legitimate Internet business in their apartment, even with lease agreements like mine. I'm not worried anymore, so thank you, again.
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Say nothing. carry on. make a ton of cash buy your home. end of problem
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  • Profile picture of the author ACGroup1
    If you simply refer to yourself as a consultant in whatever your niche is, you should be fine. You can also get creative and refer to yourself as an employment avoidance counselor, cubicle escapist, self interested philanthropist, whatever!
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  • Profile picture of the author Capitalist_Pig
    I like guns. I mean, I really, really like guns. I own guns that I plan on using as investment vehicles for retirement. I've rented in the past, and some have clauses in their lease about weapons possession - I ignored them, because they have no legal standing in my state; a person's domicile is their home, and they have possessory interest.

    I don't understand how it's any of the landlord's business what you do for a living, or even what you do with the property, so long as it is being used within the terms of the lease. Running an online business from within your domicile is not operating a business on the premises - your business is located on servers across the world, after all, and you PC is no different than a corporate employee bringing home their work laptop.

    I think you're worrying about nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomBuck
    I had this the other day (less extreme) Im only 17 and still in school but doing I.M. part time and getting about $20-$30 a day. The other day some old school mates said have you got a job... I didn't know what to say so said no, even though I always have money. This is getting annoying so I have the same problem I don't really know what to do, and its true that everyone who doesn't do I.M. thinks that the internet is a giant scam.
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    • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
      Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

      I had this the other day (less extreme) Im only 17 and still in school but doing I.M. part time and getting about $20-$30 a day. The other day some old school mates said have you got a job... I didn't know what to say so said no, even though I always have money. This is getting annoying so I have the same problem I don't really know what to do, and its true that everyone who doesn't do I.M. thinks that the internet is a giant scam.
      Yeah, I guess the best way to show people that it's not a giant scam is to just refer to commonly accepted mainstream sites. So you could say "Is Amazon.com a scam? How about eBay, or Microsoft, hmmm?"
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    I agree. Just tell them that you're doing something related to websites like building or developing. They will get the point. You can also go with Kevin's suggestion about using IM jargons to cut the discussion short.

    But my suggestion is, you don't have to tell them anything unless they ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerDeen
    Just tell them : Your are self employed and things you do are beyond their level of intelligence. (I hope they won't see it as insult)
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    • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
      Originally Posted by BloggerDeen View Post

      Just tell them : Your are self employed and things you do are beyond their level of intelligence. (I hope they won't see it as insult)
      LOL, I could say I'm a secret agent who works on the Internet to protect the planet from the alien threat.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    You do not have clients and customers coming to your home to purchase goods that you warehouse in your own home and usually meet people elsewhere to do business, correct? You do not have your property listed in advertisements as the location of your business, correct?

    There is no place in your contract that says you can't have office equipment such as a desk, computer, file cabinet, and telephone in your apartment or that it is illegal to work in your home. It just says you can't do business there. You can't set up a walk in and out store or business there because they aren't zoned for it for one thing. It doesn't mean that you can't WORK in your own home.

    Caution - I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever played one on TV. These statements are merely the result of my own deductive reasoning, but are premises that you can check with legal council for their validity.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    I just came up with some good wording for it. "I'm an online product reviewer. I publish reviews for products that aren't released yet." I wouldn't even have to mention that I make commissions from sales, that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmarketer
    A lot of people in my real world life have no idea about anything internet marketing related. They think it is all "a pyramid scam". That is just the type of ignorance that you can find with almost anything in life thought. And if you are successful enough to quit your job after being able to have income from online business then you can be content that what everyone you know is so ignorant and negative about is actually making your life better
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  • Profile picture of the author thegotoguy
    I wouldn't call myself an internet marketer when telling "paranoid" people what I do. Just tell them you are a blogger or an editor of an independent online magazine or something. They can relate to a magazine easier than a blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    I never realized something like that would be in a lease. Don't they know that many people work from home. I know how you feel though. My whole family acts as though interent marketing is a scam. They actually laugh at me. They scratch their heads becuase they still don't understand that I've been able to pay the rent with my income. My husband lost his job over a year ago and they are wondering how we have survived. They still don't get it!
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  • Profile picture of the author sim4
    JD, it is difficult convincing people that are block mentally and locked in the traditional way of labor; focus n your path. it is not all the time we will be able to get people understand us but our result will speak for us later. Ride on.
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  • Profile picture of the author JD Nunes
    Haha, paid rent today and told my landlord I'm an Internet marketer when she noticed my old car wasn't there anymore. She actually said "I've never heard of that" !!!

    See what I meant? Anyway, she didn't give me any trouble. When asked what I market, I said "oh, whatever" lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author joe_delaney
    Dude, you're just working from home.

    By "private business", the contract is just making sure you dont set up a full office with staff etc, as this affects health/safety paperwork they are responsible for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ninawa
    Tell me about it! Mine and my boyfriend's parents think that we make that money by playing poker on the internet LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author avatar9812
    Tell them you are a full-time daytrader.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by avatar9812 View Post

      Tell them you are a full-time daytrader.
      Just an FYI, this thread was started before you joined the forum. It's closing in on a year old. I don't think the OP is still thinking about this.
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