United States to censor the internet and destroy net neutrality!

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Oh the irony, after condemning the Australian Governments bid to censor the internet, the unites states is planning to censor the internet itself.

New Internet Censorship Law Introduced in U.S. Senate

Even more disturbing is no neutrality for the internet;

BBC News - US 'open internet' bill shot down

Oh deary me, fun times we live in!
  • Profile picture of the author Ruby Rynne
    Plus ca change....

    Anyone else here remember having blue ribbons on their websites? LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's hard to take the comments in the first blog seriously when they end by asking

      Could you live without Facebook, Twitter or some of the other sites that occupy your time if they happened to make the lis
      People lived fine without those sites a few years ago - and some would LIVE better if they spent less time on them today.

      I don't agree with limited information - but the upswing of abuse and slander is in proportion to "social" media activity. Perhaps the sites should regulate their users before governments step in and take over.

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  • Profile picture of the author Samson77
    I highly doubt any kind of real / significant internet censorship bill would pass in the USA.
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    • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
      Originally Posted by Samson77 View Post

      I highly doubt any kind of real / significant internet censorship bill would pass in the USA.
      Two words:

      Patriot Act
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I forget the details, but my basic understanding of this is shown in ONE statement here!!!!!

    The bill aimed to stop ISPs from acting as online gatekeepers controlling the content flowing through their pipes.
    They are THEIR assets, they are the ******ONLY****** ones ON THE PLANET that know WHAT they have available and what are being used! ALSO, ******ANY****** attempt to try to figure out their resources through programs or hardware will ADVERSLY affect them and end up making things WORSE!

    OK, I HATE it when, after going past a certain point, I may see my throughput drop, or even VANISH! I may hate being disconnected. I HATE it when I can't download GIGABYTES at work, etc... BTW on that last one, I limit info to only a few K unless it is for work and THEN I limit it to the BARE MINIMUM. OK, I hate all that. But I am smart enough to know that if they DIDN'T, the internet would come to a SCREACHING HALT! They HAVE to allow resources to cover other visitors.

    If the politicians want to avoid that, GREAT! They can take ALL THEIR pensions, WAIVE ALL THEIR social security, take all THEIR income, all THEIR savings, all THEIR property, etc.... and start THEIR OWN ILEC, lay THEIR OWN media, and provide THEIR OWN backbone. For a few trillion dollars, and maybe a decade or two, they ought to be able to TRIPLE capacity. THEN, they can have THEIR OWN company run things THEIR OWN way! Want to take any bets whether or not they last more than 5 years?

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Kay,
    I don't agree with limited information - but the upswing of abuse and slander is in proportion to "social" media activity. Perhaps the sites should regulate their users before governments step in and take over.
    Neither legislative trend in the OP has anything to do with that. COICA relates to copyright infringement and piracy. If a site's primary purpose is the illegal distribution of copyrighted material, I hardly think it qualifies for protection under the First Amendment.

    I haven't yet read the bill, so it may be that there are objectionable sections. Wouldn't be the first time legislation covered more than what it's label implied. But if this is just about protecting creators from pirates and copyright infringement, the blogger needs to re-take his Civics 101 class.

    Enforcing copyright and trademark law is hardly "censorship."

    The subject line is also inaccurate in suggesting that the US Government is attempting to "destroy" net neutrality. They failed to get a pre-emptive bill passed the first time around. That's hardly an effort to "destroy" anything.


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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    There was one censorship bill that already got shot down this year - recently, in fact. Sometimes election years are good for stuff like that - especially with the amount of unrest going on right now.

    There are bills on about everything to do with the Internet right now - both ways - bills for them to keep their hands off crap and bills to let them take over in true simon legree fashion. ACTA I think was shot down here - or likely to be, can't remember now - but that covered copyright issues, but the means by which it took to do so seems to have been questionable enough to get dumped in a few countries.

    If you are worried about it, write to your legislators and tell them "no". That's what citizens are supposed to do. If you don't and they pass censorship laws that you don't approve of.......tough noogies.

    Incidentally - related but not completely On topic -- I quit getting targeted ads on my FB page since I got the Better Protection pluggin on FF. It cleans the LSO cookies off your computer. It obviously works - Google no longer seems to be trying to sell me books by my favorite author etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Incidentally - related but not completely On topic -- I quit getting targeted ads on my FB page since I got the Better Protection pluggin on FF. It cleans the LSO cookies off your computer. It obviously works - Google no longer seems to be trying to sell me books by my favorite author etc.
      Thanks, Sal -- I found something called the BetterPrivacy Addon for Firefox, I think that's the same thing you were referring to?

      https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6623/
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      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
        Originally Posted by Ken Strong View Post

        Thanks, Sal -- I found something called the BetterPrivacy Addon for Firefox, I think that's the same thing you were referring to?

        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6623/
        That's it, Ken.

        Originally posted by LeeLee
        Two words:

        Patriot Act
        That's a whole different issue.
        Patriot Act surveillance, not censorship. They can get off with that one citing it as a national security issue. It's kind of hard to get not allowing people to say what they wish as national security without having to admit a totalitarian deviation from the constitution. I'm not saying they won't do it - just it will be hard for them to defend against lawsuits. There are a lot of people who sincerely believe that the Patriot Act protects us -- I don't think there are too many who could be persuaded to think that censorship is a security measure.


        I'm not saying those in office who want people to not be able to openly reject their platforms won't try to pull off censorship -- I'm just saying that there are counter-bills, and that shows it's not in unanimous approval and that such a bill could be shot to heck a lot easier than the patriot act.
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        • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
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          That's a whole different issue. That's surTwo words:

          Patriot Act surveillance, not censorship. They can get off with that one citing it as a national security issue. It's kind of hard to get not allowing people to say what they wish as national security without having to admit a totalitarian deviation from the constitution. I'm not saying they won't do it - just it will be hard for them to defend against lawsuits. There are a lot of people who sincerely believe that the Patriot Act protects us -- I don't think there are too many who could be persuaded to think that censorship is a security measure.


          I'm not saying those in office who want people to not be able to openly reject their platforms won't try to pull off censorship -- I'm just saying that there are counter-bills, and that shows it's not in unanimous approval and that such a bill could be shot to heck a lot easier than the patriot act.[/QUOTE]


          My response was less about the specifics of the Patriot Act and censoring the net and more about the post I responded to which seemed to be saying the US would not pass legislation that limited freedoms already guaranteed in the Constitution. It can and did happen and I expect it to happen more in more in this century.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

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            My response was less about the specifics of the Patriot Act and censoring the net and more about the post I responded to which seemed to be saying the US would not pass legislation that limited freedoms already guaranteed in the Constitution. It can and did happen and I expect it to happen more in more in this century.
            I'd love to argue with that. I'd be in idiot if I did.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      The Australian "filter" won't get off the ground anyway as it won't be introduced until late next year.

      As of June 2011 the Greens will hold the balance of power in the Senate and they are strongly opposed to it. So it will never get the votes necessary to make it law.

      BTW, thanks HeySal for recommending the BetProt plugin for FF on a different thread. I never realised just how much "crap" I had accumulated before using that.

      Yeah, no lie. And that is only the LSO's. I didn't realize how many places were using Super-cookies until I got that thing. Even my Crap Cleaner doesn't get those. I was starting to get weird feelings about how personallly targeted ads were starting to seem. FB is where I first noticed I was being targeted uncomfortably strongly, though.

      Another good one to get is the dcomabobolator - turns off you dcom - (the backdoor that some programs like to sneak through from). The only time you would ever need it is if you need remote help and you can turn it on again if you need to. I'd rather not have MS able to play around with my desktop either. If I have to put a no parsing meta tag on my pages to keep a company from linking to hijack viewers, I sure don't want that company having a program that just lets them walk in and take command, LMAO.
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