Giving up on Internet Marketing

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Whats the point? I have really tried let me tell you, PLR, Blogs spending money on every offer going.
Can someone show me how to make money? I dont mind working hard at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

    Whats the point? I have really tried let me tell you, PLR, Blogs spending money on every offer going.
    Can someone show me how to make money? I dont mind working hard at it.
    Thats exactly what you need to do, work really hard at it. Spending money on every offer going just won't do it. What exactly have you done so far. This is like any other business. It takes time and focus and the ability to get up when you fall down.

    Can you give us some more info? How long have you been trying this, how much have you spent on what? (The best stuff I ever used to learn was free and $37 for the War room) What have you done other than PLR and blogs? What did you do with the PLR and the blogs? More information and I may be able to help.

    No one can show you how to make money, you need to figure out how to do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author NeilC
    Sounds like you might be jumping from one thing to the next too fast? Try to pick just one thing to commit to and make it work, preferably not the latest "secret."

    If you want a relatively quick, easy, and cheap way to see some results then you could start with a few small niche sites, but you will need to learn how to do them correctly though to get results, and that's where a lot of people go wrong.

    Then you can move on to bigger sites or other areas such as product creation, services etc.

    all the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The point is that you want to be successful...

    Giving up is only an option if you want to be a quitter...

    The best anyone could do is to give you an outline of what they do, but it is going to be YOUR creativeness and work ethic that will determine your success following any particular plan of action...

    If I told you that I haven't worked a job outside my business in five years, because I used article marketing to promote my business, could YOU duplicate that for yourself.... Maybe, but most people will not, due to many circumstances beyond my control...

    If I told you that I made some nice side income selling products through the Amazon affiliate program, could you duplicate what I have done? Maybe... but most people will not, due to circumstances beyond my control...

    If I told you that I still made a living in 2009 without any new advertising, due to my absence from my business, while I aided my father in his last year on earth, could you duplicate what I did? Maybe, but the answer to that question is not up to me...

    I have a friend who earns 7k per month, while paying out 3k in expenses each month, and he is only selling affiliate products from Clickbank...

    I have another friend that makes 6-figures a year, after expenses, with hundreds of mini sites...

    I have another friend who made roughly $3k yesterday, selling one bulk order for a boring physical product... And his business has been doing this several times a month for years...

    I have another friend who has an advertising budget in the six-figures monthly, and he makes a nice profit every month...

    The fact is that there are a ton of ways to make money online and more than three dozen ways to build traffic and sales for your business... But can you duplicate what any of these people have done? In the end, it is up to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
    There is no such thing as failure, only results. You haven't failed at internet marketing, you just learned more ways to not succeed. The only way to fail at something is to quit. It's alright if you really want to quit, maybe it's not for you, but if this is something you really want to do, why quit after you've already gained so much practical education?
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    • Profile picture of the author Luis Medilo
      Have you made any money online? If you have not, you should not give up until you have made your first dollar. If you have, then it's all a matter of multiplying the efforts you made in creating your first payday. Mind you, I made my first $100 online through luck when I posted about a new product on my personal blog. Even if it was just luck, it was still some success on my part. All you have to do is to follow one method and work on it until you make money from it. And then rinse and repeat.
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      • Profile picture of the author garyogden
        I,ve not made a single penny online.
        I got a lovely blog going with amazon links Lynns Beautiful Wedding Tips
        Paid for traffic, backlinks and not one sale.
        Cant even give a product away!
        (Resale Rights Marketer)
        Tried the usual $47 programs just rehashed old crap.
        Could really do with sticking to one project but which?
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

          I,ve not made a single penny online.
          I got a lovely blog going with amazon links Lynns Beautiful Wedding Tips
          Paid for traffic, backlinks and not one sale.
          Cant even give a product away!
          (Resale Rights Marketer)
          Tried the usual $47 programs just rehashed old crap.
          Could really do with sticking to one project but which?

          If your offer is not converting, you are making one of two mistakes:

          1. Getting the wrong kind of traffic for your offer; or

          2. Presenting your offer in an unattractive way.

          Either problem is easy to fix, if you are willing to make adjustments in what you are doing...

          If you are getting your paid traffic from Adwords, I seriously recommend paying only for traffic that is likely to buy what you are selling... You do this by pre-qualifying the person clicking your link...

          You don't want to pay for tire-kickers, but only those who are likely to buy... So in your ad, say something to the effect of:

          * Get this inexpensive...
          * For less than the cost of dinner for two...
          * For under $50

          It doesn't really matter the wording you choose per se, but let the tire-kickers click your competitor's ads instead of yours....
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        • Profile picture of the author NeilC
          "Wedding tips" is way too competitive and you only have five or so links so no real chance of ranking for that, "beautiful wedding tips" you are at the top of the first page for that phrase but it gets no traffic to speak of.

          That's exactly what I meant about knowing how to get results from small niche sites, getting keywords and competition levels right is crucial to seeing any results.

          Hope that helps,
          Neil
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    • Profile picture of the author SeanyG
      Originally Posted by TheSteve View Post

      There is no such thing as failure, only results. You haven't failed at internet marketing, you just learned more ways to not succeed. The only way to fail at something is to quit. It's alright if you really want to quit, maybe it's not for you, but if this is something you really want to do, why quit after you've already gained so much practical education?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    There's actually quite a few step by step guides right here for free. Here's one of my favorites:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ded-links.html

    You can do the steps he outlines for free then once you get a system going and some earnings you can outsource the boring stuff.

    It takes a lot of hard work, but if you have already been doing stuff with no success, you have learned some thing not to do so all is not lost.

    Are those things in your sig your own products? If so, then maybe you should push harder at marketing those?

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    • Profile picture of the author garyogden
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      There's actually quite a few step by step guides right here for free. Here's one of my favorites:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ded-links.html

      You can do the steps he outlines for free then once you get a system going and some earnings you can outsource the boring stuff.

      It takes a lot of hard work, but if you have already been doing stuff with no success, you have learned some thing not to do so all is not lost.

      Are those things in your sig your own products? If so, then maybe you should push harder at marketing those?

      Lee
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      Thanks just checked the link - outsourcing is something i tried, ie getting a blog, niche site, backlinks but no sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    The wedding tips site is really nice.... you should be collecting emails on that one by using one of those slide in things or the thingy that pops up on the bottom.

    Could really do with sticking to one project but which?
    This is the big question isn't it? But you might be making the same mistake that I made (ok, I still make it sometimes) and that is assuming something won't work before even put in enough effort. Most of the methods you hear about on here do work.... but you need to give them enough time.

    So, pick one - whichever one appeals to you the most - the one you thing you can do without getting bored ... make a commitment to stick to it for several months and believe that it will work. Don't get all caught up in self doubt and feeling like you could be wasting your time on something that wont work, just forge ahead and make it work.

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  • Profile picture of the author P.Sharma
    what I would suggest is that you try new things at a faster pace. Stick with one and fail at it FAST, the more you fail the more you learn. You will have a much stronger base if you know EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT WORK.... Do not quit, the internet marketing community is special and you have been blessed to have been in here. If you stick with 1 thing long enough, I am sure you will succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
      Originally Posted by P.Sharma View Post

      what I would suggest is that you try new things at a faster pace. Stick with one and fail at it FAST, the more you fail the more you learn. You will have a much stronger base if you know EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT WORK.... Do not quit, the internet marketing community is special and you have been blessed to have been in here. If you stick with 1 thing long enough, I am sure you will succeed.
      I'm going to have to disagree with you here. This is probably the most common mistake of people new to internet marketing (and things in general). This promotes jumping from one "secret system" to another, when the truth is you have a much better chance of success if you pick ONE proven method (that you think would be a good fit for you) and committing a certain amount of time and effort to making it work. If you give it your all for 3 months on one thing, and you still don't see yourself any closer to success, then move on. But while you are trying that "one thing", make sure to change up what your doing within it before you move on. Test what your doing wrong, and when you find yourself doing something right, explore that more. Just keep in mind, the first one is almost ALWAYS just an educational experience, not a money making powerhouse. Treat it like that, take your time. Moving on too quickly can only hurt that education.

      To the OP, you have a lot of people here giving you some great tips and words of motivation, but the truth is you need to be the one who motivates yourself if you want to succeed. If you really want this, develop a burning desire within yourself. If you can't do that, you probably aren't going to get very far along in this business. I really hope you can turn things around, this would make one epic success story!! haha.
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      • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
        Originally Posted by TheSteve View Post

        I'm going to have to disagree with you here. This is probably the most common mistake of people new to internet marketing (and things in general). This promotes jumping from one "secret system" to another, when the truth is you have a much better chance of success if you pick ONE proven method (that you think would be a good fit for you) and committing a certain amount of time and effort to making it work. If you give it your all for 3 months on one thing, and you still don't see yourself any closer to success, then move on. But while you are trying that "one thing", make sure to change up what your doing within it before you move on. Test what your doing wrong, and when you find yourself doing something right, explore that more. Just keep in mind, the first one is almost ALWAYS just an educational experience, not a money making powerhouse. Treat it like that, take your time. Moving on too quickly can only hurt that education.

        To the OP, you have a lot of people here giving you some great tips and words of motivation, but the truth is you need to be the one who motivates yourself if you want to succeed. If you really want this, develop a burning desire within yourself. If you can't do that, you probably aren't going to get very far along in this business. I really hope you can turn things around, this would make one epic success story!! haha.
        Agreed. Personally I have found that there are many methods that work, but they do not convert unless they are "worked" correctly.

        For example...If you build a list, that doesn't automatically mean that it will make you money. After you build a list, you have to learn how to make it convert and that is a entirely different skill set. We always hear that the money is in the list which is true, but the trick is not building the list, the trick is convincing the list to give you money.

        What I have learned is all of these techniques work if your niche is hot and your copy-writing skills convert traffic...bottom line.

        Without these in place, none of the "methods" work.
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      • Profile picture of the author compusol
        Originally Posted by TheSteve View Post

        you have a much better chance of success if you pick ONE proven method (that you think would be a good fit for you) and committing a certain amount of time and effort to making it work. If you give it your all for 3 months on one thing, and you still don't see yourself any closer to success, then move on. But while you are trying that "one thing", make sure to change up what your doing within it before you move on. Test what your doing wrong, and when you find yourself doing something right, explore that more.
        This I have to agree with as I have made the mistake in the past of jumping from one thing to another without giving any of them a chance to succeed.

        I guess my turning point was finding that I had around eighty sites scattered around different niches, none of them IM, and only one of them was making any money worth having.

        Someone suggested that I concentrate on one site only for a couple of weeks and then see what progress was being made.

        The first one was in the highly competitive wedding market (my partner runs her own wedding business) and within a couple of weeks I could see a definite rise in rankings and visitors.

        Now that site, and a couple of other related ones, dominates the local search results with five out of the first ten results in Google... I don't need to tell you what that has done to our bottom line!

        Since then I have taken the same steps for other niche sites that I own, and many have shown increased rankings and better income.

        I've ditched a few that on hindsight were just too much effort for the returns achieved, but the majority are improving still.

        So maybe follow the advice that I was given, find a product or niche that you have confidence in and work hard at it...
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  • Profile picture of the author garyogden
    Thanks for all the help so far. Maybe I need to stay away from all those "membership sites" etc. Maybe I could get another blog going and try and concentrate on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
      Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

      Thanks for all the help so far. Maybe I need to stay away from all those "membership sites" etc. Maybe I could get another blog going and try and concentrate on it?
      I would suggest stopping to spend much more money (other than for the basics, domain names, premium themes, hosting). If you go spend $1,000 before you start making any money, you're just going to be that much harder on yourself. There is so much FREE information on this forum, it's really all you need to get started. You can easily start making money online without paying for advertising, membership sites, or buying every single WSO ever written. Once you have a small degree of success it, and you need money to scale up that success, then by all means, go for it. But for now, MASTER the basics, everything else is pointless until you can do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyogden
    Originally Posted by Murali View Post

    Failure and defeat are two different things.

    If you've accepted defeat, no one else can do anything. Though, with failures, you can always learn and move on.

    If you're having a hard time sticking to 'one' thing, try affiliate marketing. Get one blog, get it ranked, get some traffic and work on conversion. Once you've done that with one blog, you can always repeat it twice and thrice and n number of times.

    Most often, the problem is that we try to do too many things at the same time.
    I think you are quite right trying too many things.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyogden
      Well this is one of the busiest threads i have started!
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  • Profile picture of the author abnation
    I'm gonna go against the flow and say "giving up" is not always a bad idea.

    Internet marketing, or actually, any other entrepreneurial venture that requires you to work on your own and take full responsibility of your actions is simply not for everyone. I really believe that not everybody can make a sustainable income with IM. And that's simple reality. Some individuals just have certain traits that allow them to really make a killing online. Some others will manage to sustain an income comparable to the "real" world. Yet others will fail because they are lacking certain qualities and characteristics, lacking in experience or lacking the skill set that is required to succeed as an entrepreneur.

    Please don't get me wrong, this is not meant to discourage you. Rather, you might want to reevaluate your opportunities. Internet marketing or any other experience of this kind is by no means a waist of time, since after all, you will at least gain some experience.

    This is why I would suggest looking at it from another perspective. Just forget making money with IM for the moment (you won't anyhow, not until you've spent around 4-6 months developing your skill-set) and start experimenting. Look at it as an education. Look at it as a research project. Stop buying books and course, everything you need to succeed is already out there (it's not refined, but still out there).

    For starts take a concept, like off-site SEO for example and start experimenting a little. What will it take to jump a position? Why does it happen? What will it take to get your site deindexed from Google? Why does it happen? What will it take to drop a position in Google? Why does it happen? And so on...

    Sales generation is a pretty simple concept. Traffic->Sales Process->Sale. But what does it really mean? Where is your traffic coming from? You paid for some traffic right? Did you mean SEO or were you talking about buying some traffic, as in visitors to your site (which is a waste of time, if you don't know what you are doing)? Why exactly is your conversion so low? Is it because your traffic is not targeted enough or is because your page is not optimized for sales conversion? There are many questions to be answered. The point is, that no one else but you needs to do the research, experiments and conclusions. Further on, applying the conclusions, doing further research and reaching new conclusions.

    If you are not prepared to do so, then yeah, IM is not for you and you'll be better off giving up right now.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author lewisdb
      90% of businesses that fail do so because the owner gave up. Don't be one of them!
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    • Profile picture of the author NeilC
      There is a distinct difference IMO between building a niche site using a blog based site builder and actually running a blog, and even that will vary depending on whether it's a product based blog or more of a social blog.

      You have to decide what it is you are going to do and then the best methods to make it work.
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    • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
      Originally Posted by abnation View Post

      I'm gonna go against the flow and say "giving up" is not always a bad idea.
      Cheers
      I absolutely agree with this comment, I don't understand why many people see "giving up" as bad, one thing is giving up by strength and other is giving up by weakness.

      Usually the "Never give up" type of trash is from the corporate world, MLM and other organizations that use those words to keep you doing things were you see no point whatsoever or are not fulfilling at all, unfortunately I can read that many people is still on that mental frame.

      If you have tried over and over and you realize this is not your way I will suggest you to really re evaluate your goals, you have given up by strength (you tried something, test it, look for new ways, but it did not work) on the other hand if you just try a couple of things and never had the discipline to keep going then you are giving up by weakness (but it does not seem the case, at least I can see you have build a webpage)

      REgards
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
        Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

        I absolutely agree with this comment, I don't understand why many people see "giving up" as bad, one thing is giving up by strength and other is giving up by weakness.

        Usually the "Never give up" type of trash is from the corporate world, MLM and other organizations that use those words to keep you doing things were you see no point whatsoever or are not fulfilling at all, unfortunately I can read that many people is still on that mental frame.

        If you have tried over and over and you realize this is not your way I will suggest you to really re evaluate your goals, you have given up by strength (you tried something, test it, look for new ways, but it did not work) on the other hand if you just try a couple of things and never had the discipline to keep going then you are giving up by weakness (but it does not seem the case, at least I can see you have build a webpage)

        REgards
        While I agree with this, I believe the never give up attitude is necessary to someone who greatly desires to succeed at something specific. If they don't have that strong desire, then they obviously don't want to do it and should spend their time doing something else. Because he started this thread on one of the biggest internet marketing sites of the internet, I'm assuming he does have some measurable amount of desire to do this. How much he desires it? Hard to say, but in case he wants this as bad as some of us, my only advice is to never quit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post


        I absolutely agree with this comment, I don't understand why many people see "giving up" as bad, one thing is giving up by strength and other is giving up by weakness.

        Usually the "Never give up" type of trash is from the corporate world, MLM and other organizations that use those words to keep you doing things were you see no point whatsoever or are not fulfilling at all, unfortunately I can read that many people is still on that mental frame.

        If you have tried over and over and you realize this is not your way I will suggest you to really re evaluate your goals, you have given up by strength (you tried something, test it, look for new ways, but it did not work) on the other hand if you just try a couple of things and never had the discipline to keep going then you are giving up by weakness (but it does not seem the case, at least I can see you have build a webpage)

        REgards
        I fully agree.

        What i meant was if you decide to "give up" you can stay apart for a while and alalyze what is not going fine,focus on mistakes and try to solve problems! (and like you said re evaluate your goals!)

        And yes "give up" is absolutely not a bad idea but, indeed can make you think better on mistakes and fix them!
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        • Profile picture of the author Nikhil V Nair
          Just concentrate on one money making system and stick to it until you succeed.

          Affiliate marketing is a good system for newbies. It take sometime but that is inevitable.

          So how to succeed in affiliate marketing ?

          1. Join a good coaching program from an expert in affiliate marketing (No free information can replace a step by step proven system from a genuine expert)

          I highly recommend you to join affilorama by Mark Ling. There is a free membership option is also available.

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          2. Join forums related to affiliate marketing and participate in discussions and understand what others are doing.

          google "affiliate marketing forum" and join the first few forums

          Don't forget to visit warrior forum regularly
          Here is a list of best threads. Thanks to Joshua Rigley
          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...1-08-10-a.html

          3. When you do the first 2 steps and TAKE ACTION, you get one thing called Experience (Unfortunately we cannot buy it) . This Experience makes all the difference and you begin to make money consistently.

          Hope it helps
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    • Originally Posted by abnation View Post

      I'm gonna go against the flow and say "giving up" is not always a bad idea.

      Internet marketing, or actually, any other entrepreneurial venture that requires you to work on your own and take full responsibility of your actions is simply not for everyone. I really believe that not everybody can make a sustainable income with IM. And that's simple reality.
      I totally agree. Internet Marketing is like running your own online business, and not everyone is cut out to run a business (either online or offline). So if you've really tried your best and you didnt make it, perhaps this is simply not the battle you should be fighting at all...
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  • Profile picture of the author Abraham L
    Hey gary.
    I'm not making money online yet, but I think I'm closer than I think, now that I understand how everything works.
    The turning point for me was: A MENTOR.
    Look here on the WF, in the WSO section, there are a couple of guys that are offering their coaching. See their testimonials, and see what's better for ya. But believe me: a mentor will tell you exactly what to do, how to do it, and... You just don't suffer of information overload
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Not everyone is going to make it as an Internet Marketer. If you feel something else is better for you or meets your financial needs, then do it.

    No one is going to give you a blueprint. There's a ton of information on this forum and many different ways to make money. You have to pick a method and stick with it, provided that it is a valid method to start with.

    If you bounce around from method to method and don't give anything your undivided attention, you won't make much.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyogden
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Not everyone is going to make it as an Internet Marketer. If you feel something else is better for you or meets your financial needs, then do it.

      No one is going to give you a blueprint. There's a ton of information on this forum and many different ways to make money. You have to pick a method and stick with it, provided that it is a valid method to start with.

      If you bounce around from method to method and don't give anything your undivided attention, you won't make much.
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      Thanks, just been looking at your blogs, very nice.
      Gary
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

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        Thanks, just been looking at your blogs, very nice.
        Gary
        Thanks ... that's pretty much one of the main ways that I make money. Building sites and selling them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Hi Gary!
      Please do me a favor!
      Never give up!
      There are really an incredible number of ways you can make money online!
      Trust me! You just need to study a lot,focus on what you really want to do,being confident and courageous and you will be successful!
      My advice to you is start learning the many free guides you can find online,and above all discover the real "secrets" to make money online!
      It's really fascinating!

      All the best to you my friend!

      Best regards!
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Not everyone is going to make it as an Internet Marketer. If you feel something else is better for you or meets your financial needs, then do it.

      No one is going to give you a blueprint. There's a ton of information on this forum and many different ways to make money. You have to pick a method and stick with it, provided that it is a valid method to start with.

      If you bounce around from method to method and don't give anything your undivided attention, you won't make much.
      Every time I had to fire someone in the off-line biz world, they always went on to different businesses and eventually were successful. (My firing of them ended up do them a favor!) Some times it is the right thing to do to 'quit'. If you are not cut out for it, not 'quitting' is just stupidity.
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  • Profile picture of the author naptime84
    You kind of described your problem with your post. Pick 1 thing and stick with it until you get results. I spent many years jumping offer to offer, hot product to hot product and when I didn't get the results I wanted, I'd move on.

    Nowadays I've realized that results take time. We IM people often forget that because we see so many 5-6 figure success stories and thing cash is gonna come flooding in.

    Bottom line, don't give up! There's a lot of money just sitting there for the taking.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    i guess what you need is a plan...A plan which is proven and make sense for you. Also, you need to work hard until you earn your first dollar online.
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  • Profile picture of the author good2go4
    Do you have to be an internet marketer, or do you want to make money online? They are two completely different things, but if you can find ways to make money so you can take the time to set up your own IM model that works for you, then there is not as much pressure on you to make every single thing you do succeed first time.

    My favorite quote - success is going from failure to failure with enthusiasm - (Winston Churchill). Every failure I have had has been a success I have learned from - I am still learning, but making a lot less muck-ups about it now and I have been supporting myself online for ten years.

    Look for the free information - set yourself a goal that is S.M.A.R.T and reach it - then move on to the next one - you will succeed eventually even if it is through teaching people how not to make the mistakes you feel you have made, lol.

    Best wishes for your ventures
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
    I'm not sure why but you have Go0g PSA (Public Service Ads) on all pages of your site... why? Try to figure out why your ads are showing PSA, you get big fat nuttin' for those clicks, and they are taking prime real-estate.
    If you can't figure out why:
    Re-work some of your affil link offer images to fit that same space, and use them instead. That above-the-fold upper-left link in each article is wasted right now.
    Do you monitor your traffic?
    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Ruby Rynne
    I'm going to suggest a different spin on the 'concentrate on one thing' advice. I've rarely concentrated on one thing at a time, mainly because I don't like to waste time waiting around to see if something works. On the other hand, yes, you do need to put effort into one thing at a time (juggling multiple projects all at the same time is inefficient).

    So what I do is concentrate on one STAGE at a time. Pick a project (including a topic, a traffic method, etc), build it, backlink, monetise it and then move on and do another project. Check back on it from time to time, tweak or dump, but don't waste time sitting despondent, refreshing stats looking for sales. Use the time each project takes to get up to speed to prep the next one.

    In this way, you can have several irons in the fire (reduces the risk that you've 'wasted' a load of time on something that didn't work, and more to the point reduces the FEAR of doing that), but you still have focus on one thing at any given moment.

    I'm not going to suggest a project, a niche, a traffic method, or anything else to you, since you can get lots of suggestions here on WF and elsewhere. Most importantly though, I can pretty much guarantee that what works best for me won't be the thing that works best for you, and vice versa. Just keep stepping out into the 'oncoming traffic' of opportunity, and you will find your answer.

    To finish with a cliche: You have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find the Prince. Keep on kissing, but use your time efficiently by being a 'serial monogamist' with your projects.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel_Cowen
    Spend some time soaking up all the information in this forum, it's valuable. To answer your question you DO have to work hard, and EVERY DAY. This isn't something that you can do for a couple days and then make thousands. If you're first starting out it will take alot of hustle and dedication.
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  • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
    If you were to quit now, you would be labelled as a loser. Never be a loser cos it does not feel good. Be persistent and focus on just 1 business plan till you earn something substantial. Then you go on to be successful in other fields. That is the way you should go.
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    • Profile picture of the author FloridaKash
      Instead of starting something new you need to spend more time on promoting the things that you have. Write article, build links, comment on blog, fine tune your SEO, go to Q&A sites answer some questions. I would imagine there are a whole lot of Q7A's about weddings... you could become their resource. Participate in wedding themed forums.

      Stop paying for clicks. I did this once and lost a whole lot of money with nothing to show for it. Obviously paying for ads works since people do it, but you have to really know what you're doing in that arena.

      Commit to doing the following each day to drive targeted traffic:
      Write 2 articles a day
      Post 2 articles on 5 Article Submission Sites each day
      Comment on 10 blogs/news stories a day (Be sure to include your URL)
      Participate in 3 industry related forums, complete your profile... include your URL. Place 4 helpful, informative posts on each forum each day.
      Answer 4 Questions a day on Yahoo Answers

      Do this for 15 days and you'll see targeted traffic. Just make sure when commenting and participating in discussions you bring value and content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve McBride
    This conversation actually inspired me to write a little something about quiting and motivation and everything we've been talking about. Hopefully any newer people also frustrated can get something from it:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-anything.html
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  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    One thing I have learned is that mistakes should make you a stronger and better marketer. Not everything you try will work. It's learning from those mistakes and growing your business that is most important. It's fine to feel frustrated, but you don't see ready to throw in the towel to me
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    • Profile picture of the author garyogden
      Originally Posted by Jenn Dize View Post

      One thing I have learned is that mistakes should make you a stronger and better marketer. Not everything you try will work. It's learning from those mistakes and growing your business that is most important. It's fine to feel frustrated, but you don't see ready to throw in the towel to me
      I guess I am not ready to give in just not sure where to start again. I could get one of the many available blogs and try driving traffic or do adwords etc but i have done that before, i need something new and exciting to try i guess.

      I dont like writing articles but when i get started I can easily fill a page up.

      I struggle when it comes to driving traffic, i mean exactly where do you go to start driving traffic?

      I cant be bothered with posting to article sites each day or twittering etc.

      I could outsource, i could find a niche, I just dont know which way to go until it hits me in the face.

      Tried selling PLR, MRR stuff cant even give it away!

      I just need that one thing to get me going again.... HELP!!!!!

      Gary
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      • Profile picture of the author CalvinWarr
        Wow... you sound JUST LIKE ME... and I haven't given up yet...

        Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

        I guess I am not ready to give in just not sure where to start again. I could get one of the many available blogs and try driving traffic or do adwords etc but i have done that before, i need something new and exciting to try i guess.

        I dont like writing articles but when i get started I can easily fill a page up.

        I struggle when it comes to driving traffic, i mean exactly where do you go to start driving traffic?

        I cant be bothered with posting to article sites each day or twittering etc.

        I could outsource, i could find a niche, I just dont know which way to go until it hits me in the face.

        Tried selling PLR, MRR stuff cant even give it away!

        I just need that one thing to get me going again.... HELP!!!!!

        Gary
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    The question is not how much you’ve spent on it but the amount of time you spend in setting everything up. You have to remember that perseverance is another the key in internet marketing. Remember that everyone has challenges before earning big time. As you stay in the industry, I agree that you should do research not only in fine-tuning your website but also in studying your competition to be on top. Assess your website and compare ti with your competition to see how you can still change it for the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyogden
      Thank you to everyone for there helpful advice and support the Warrior Forum is certainly the place to be when in need of help.
      I have had a crazy idea to create an ebook but not sure of the best way to promote it?
      Any ideas Warriors?
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      • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
        Originally Posted by garyogden View Post


        I have had a crazy idea to create an ebook but not sure of the best way to promote it?
        Any ideas Warriors?
        Hi Gary!
        Your ebook should come with an affiliate program so that the readers of your ebook can promote it to other people!
        This will bring a lot of traffic to your site!

        Advertising could be expensive and in many cases, you may not be able to sell enough ebooks to earn back your advertising cost!
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      • Profile picture of the author Nikhil V Nair
        Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

        Thank you to everyone for there helpful advice and support the Warrior Forum is certainly the place to be when in need of help.
        I have had a crazy idea to create an ebook but not sure of the best way to promote it?
        Any ideas Warriors?
        Before your create the product, ask these important question

        Is there a demand for your product?
        Is there a hungry crowd waiting for your product?

        No meaning in creating a product that nobody wants.

        You can create a product about "How to wash your hands properly" , but the question is "will people spend money for your product?"

        Hope it helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

        Thank you to everyone for there helpful advice and support the Warrior Forum is certainly the place to be when in need of help.
        I have had a crazy idea to create an ebook but not sure of the best way to promote it?
        Any ideas Warriors?
        Gary, if you tell us which niche your ebook will be in, then it'll be much easier for us to answer your question.

        Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Vincentee
      Ebay is the best program choice to make money online and the guide which is shared about it proved very helpful to me,thanks for sharing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paleruby
      Take what you have and TWEAK it until you starting getting the results you want, then TWEAK it some more until it's working at peak efficiency

      Then Rinse and Repeat with new sites.

      paleruby
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      • Profile picture of the author shadow_wolf013
        Originally Posted by Paleruby View Post

        Take what you have and TWEAK it until you starting getting the results you want, then TWEAK it some more until it's working at peak efficiency

        Then Rinse and Repeat with new sites.

        paleruby

        Thats the real secret really. Ive been close to giving up several times myself so i feel your pain and am glad you seem to have overcome it. Theres no reason not to succeed (or so i keep telling myself lol)

        All the advice given here has been solid, so i wont rehash. Will just wish you the best, and good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    The question is not how much you've spent on it but the amount of time you spend in setting everything up. You have to remember that perseverance is another the key in internet marketing. Remember that everyone has challenges before earning big time. As you stay in the industry, I agree that you should do research not only in fine-tuning your website but also in studying your competition to be on top. Assess your website and compare ti with your competition to see how you can still change it for the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author webpro
    "Life is not easy for any of us, we must work, and above all, we must believe ourselvers", that's a famous saying from Maria Sklodowska-Curie.
    As for your side, you must belive you can get succeed firstly, then you will have possibility to get succeed.
    Keep learning from others, from this and other forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author jayesser
    Garyogden

    I dont blame you for wanting to give up - Ive reached that point many times but havent got there. I get very fed up sometimes because I work VERY HARD every day yet I dont see the results. I do make sales/money but its very slow. Sometimes I think why do i bother as i seem to just make websites for people to look at and thats it. I do eberything as recommended yet i dont see very good results.

    HOWEVER I will continue. I know it can take 2 years for anyone to see any real gains - it takes time to get everythign in place. You also have to hit the right niche - one that isnt over crowded and finding out what that is can take a while if you arent using the right methods.

    Also I actually enjoy the challenge and I see it all as long term investment in the future. I have had some big sales recently on som every expensive Amazon items so I shall just continue.

    I would say hang on in there, try lots of different things to see what works best and stick with it. And remember - its an investment in your future!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    The thing with marriage tips is that people are
    usually not interested in the topic for long. They
    get married, they move on.

    I also have to disagree with the common "stick with
    one method". Sticking with one site and try
    everything you can to drive traffic to that site is a
    much better strategy.

    Tyrus
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  • Profile picture of the author glassextreme
    Gary,
    creating that one ebook is not going to make you much money. You need a solid plan on what other areas can you write about. Make it link, so that you have a string of relevant products you can promote to your buyers.

    You also need a solid promotion plan. I've heard of so many stories of people creating that one big ebook and then it collects digital dust because nobody is going to their website to buy.

    And you will get so many different advices, and you get pulled in different directions, and then you are back to square one.

    Find one plan that resonates with you, something you think you can do, then find all the information you can about this one plan. Synthesize the information, then get going.

    All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Giving up is not the solution. A winner never quit, a quitter never wins.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenny5
    Don't give up. It took two years for me to make any sort of money online. What did I do? I finally stopped buying stuff, sat down, made a list of what I knew how to do well, and worked harder than I ever had before.

    What happened? I started making some money. Don't give up, if you keep working it will happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkrueger
    I sent you a PM... good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Originally Posted by garyogden View Post

    Whats the point? I have really tried let me tell you, PLR, Blogs spending money on every offer going.
    Can someone show me how to make money? I dont mind working hard at it.

    What you don't know is that you could have some success
    as soon as tomorrow and you wouldn't know it. Fact is that
    whatever new venture you begin you are guaranteed to
    face problems for however long it takes for you to learn the
    lessons specific for you to learn.

    I love, love, love making money online -- but this love didn't
    come overnight and there were many times where I thought
    about quitting...

    now I'm making over $50+ per day without doing much of
    anything for work.

    I imagine sometimes what would have happened if I quit
    just before I was about to succeed...could I LIVE with that
    for the rest of my life and when I leave my body and see
    what could have been had I stuck with it?

    I don't have to worry about that ever because I know what
    it's like to succeed, and YOU will to -- so if you quit, you
    failed yourself because you're to deep in to give up when
    you're in the middle, you may as well see it all the way to
    the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejurs2000
    I've been there as well, bought a course called Commission Blueprint and then spend money for adsense like the course told me to. The income doesn't cover up the expenses. So i quit for a year and gave up the dream.

    I realize now that i was a naive newbie who expecting fast result. Internet business is the same as real business, so it takes time to develop. Now I'm focusing more on SEO to get my traffic, and the result far better than before. It takes longer, but like any other business.... its all about being patient and persistent.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    One easy way to make money right now is head off to eBay, watch what the power sellers are selling, and try and find out where they are getting their stuff from, (some of the time you might just view source on the images used and find the site) and viola you can undercut them, thats how some people start
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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    Not trying to be contrary or anything but - If you are not enjoying it, if you are tired of the hard work, can't face struggling on and are financially strapped as a result of your internet marketing, then my advice would be to give up (at least for a while).

    I think internet marketing is a bit like smoking - most who give up come back to it at some point Unlike smoking it's not as unhealhy for you.

    I've had some successes online in the past, and in each case i've screwed things up.
    I've not being internet marketing for a couple of years, and I don't regret it for a bit.

    Even during my more successful periods I was never able to quit my lucrative day job because I was carrying massive debts from a previous failure.

    Now I am completely debt free, revitalised and raring to go. I've come back done a bit of research on what is working now and am taking focused effective action. I'm no longer looking for the quick and easy way to make money. It's early days but at least knowing that I've made money before I am supremely confident that I can make money again, and having learnt from all the mistakes i made previously I can only succeed.

    So don't call it giving up - call it regrouping or taking a break.
    But when you do come back pick one idea that others report success with and work it till you make money.

    If you are banging your head against a brick wall, it seems ludicrous to just move along three paces and start banging your head again, simply because you've put so much time and effort into head banging. Take a break, a step back and you might see there's a door you could use instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oosha
    I could not go through all the responses you have here, but coming from the Warrior community, I'm sure they are all valuable.

    I went without making anything substantial during the first few years of my IM journey. It was only in the last couple of years that things changed for the better. One morning I woke up and found myself making money.

    There are many routes you can take, but to reach your destination, you have to stick to one and see where it takes you. You seem to have ended up in maze not knowing how to get out. This happens when we try to do everything at the same time.

    My advice would be to follow your passion. Since you now know how everything works, what did you enjoy working on the most? Is it website creation? Why not look at flipping websites? Or perhaps its affiliate marketing?

    Finally, I will have to say this...don't do anything just to make a few dollars quickly. Whatever it is that you choose to do, look at the value you're providing. Things will start going your way soon enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author WAWarrior
    Wow.. what a community. I joined Warrior Forum recently. This is the first thread I read - and I am impressed by the suggestions, encouragement , help that is shown here. My friend told me I can find pots of GOLD here - how true...

    Gary, congratulate yourself for doing one right thing among a list of many, by being here. Remember that we may fail at something, but that doesn't make us a failure in life.

    In the Success journey, you would end up doing and trying out different things before you end up finding THE ONE ONE that is your Niche. But before you give up on any area, be fair to yourself and ask yourself if you have put in enough work that emulate the success models that are around, and experimented enough ( much suggestions and advice can be found in this community ). Remember Einstein's quote " Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results " .

    All the Best Gary, and GOD bless.
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  • Profile picture of the author infomaniacs
    I found my problem was I was going from one great thing to the next, and not really giving anything 100% commitment.

    Now I am just focussing on my blog, let me tell you it is hard when I see all the fantastic offers here, but I put my blinkers on and only buy or download what I can use to enhance my blog now.

    I think focus is key.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    One of the mistakes people do when they start Internet marketing is buying anything without evaluating how it could work in theory, if you could understand why a particular product sells by looking at it through the mindset of the buyer, then you would understand why a particular page, banner, ad simply performs better than others, and having the basic understanding of why a particular product can work in a niche, will give you more to decide whether to buy a product that might aide your cause
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  • Profile picture of the author cjordan231
    Dam, I remember a blog post that talked about the 4-success cycle. It could be good use to you. I'll see if I can find it.
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  • Profile picture of the author islandville
    Thanks it's been nice working with you .
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    The last mile of a million mile run is not the time to quit. We have all been there and now some of us are "here"... looking back I can tell you that I felt like I was getting nowhere all the way up to the last mile... but hindsight is 20 /20 and each step, though they felt wobbly and unsure, were the very steps that were leading me to where I wanted to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author John T
    Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

    When I came into IM, I said to myself...I'm not gonna spend any money on courses until I make some money with the free basic information. The only exception I'll make to that is joining the War Room. A lot of those WSO's you pay for can be obtained for free in the War Room. If you listen to some people, they'd say that my approach was wrong.

    Here's my point -- before dishing out huge loads of cash on every WSO, master the basics first. A lot of the information can be found for free on here. Some people are all over the board. They're trying 5 different methods at once instead of focusing on that ONE knockout punch.
    I could not say it better myself, your right. You need to focus on one method and go for it. Take the inlineseo.com, Lisa the owner did not make 10k a month until the 9th or 10th month. She knew that it would work from previous experience of research. Nothing happen for at least 3 to 4 month, yes, she was making income but small.

    Just stay focus on one thing, you have limited resources to follow all the sales letters that clutter your inbox. Just focus and work it out step by step.

    Think of it as gardening. You plant the seeds and have to take care of the land as fertilizer, watering, and weeding, without all three your project (crop) will not produce a harvest. Put your blinders on, focus. Once a farmer plants cron, he cannot change his mind and plant wheat later. It just will not work. Make do.

    John T.
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  • Profile picture of the author smithchardy
    I guess I am not ready to give in just not sure where to start again. it is good and nice for people. i have done that before, i need something new and exciting to try i guess. Internet Marketing is a huge market.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyogden
      Ive started building mini Amazon review sites and managed to get on page one of Google!
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