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Why those person are neglect from society who have not good communication?

by Austin john
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what you think about good communication is really very important in life? It is this true or not.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well...I THINK I know what you are trying to say, but it IS a bit difficult. Indians using some words only THEY tend to use, or picking the wrong words, like "improvising" instead of "improving", or mispronouncing words, like "determining" as "data mining" is bad enough. Mixing tenses and transposing words, disregarding the otherwise bad grammar, as you have done, is worse.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If you are writing in a second language, you need to be good enough at the language to make sense. When you are trying to compete for attention with native English writers, you will lose out if you cannot express yourself.

      That doesn't mean you are being "neglected" - it means the readers want to have content they are comfortable reading and can understand.

      Why not look around you to see if there are opportunities online to work in your own language instead of trying to write in a language you are not fluent with?

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        If you are writing in a second language, you need to be good enough at the language to make sense. When you are trying to compete for attention with native English writers, you will lose out if you cannot express yourself.

        That doesn't mean you are being "neglected" - it means the readers want to have content they are comfortable reading and can understand.

        Why not look around you to see if there are opportunities online to work in your own language instead of trying to write in a language you are not fluent with?

        kay
        As I implied earlier, "neglect" may not even have been meant to mean neglect. Maybe it meant ridicule, or overlook, or "to not like". It may even mean something TOTALLY different. This is one of the cases where the statement could be assumed to mean several things.

        BTW he may come from one of the poorer parts of india. A lot of those places probably don't often speak english. So his native language may be one that possible internet custmers may not often use.

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        • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          BTW he may come from one of the poorer parts of india. A lot of those places probably don't often speak english. So his native language may be one that possible internet custmers may not often use.

          Steve
          Well, his signature says animation courses in Delhi. And anyway, it's not just the poor states. We aren't taught proper english in schools almost anywhere in the country... And there is no market on the internet for any of the indian languages. Even Hindi.

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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Sumit Menon View Post

            Well, his signature says animation courses in Delhi. And anyway, it's not just the poor states. We aren't taught proper english in schools almost anywhere in the country... And there is no market on the internet for any of the indian languages. Even Hindi.

            Sumit.
            OK, I didn't notice the sig. 8-( Yeah, I know Indians, from INDIA, aren't taught proper English in school. There are some schools there that apparently teach IN english, and some of the graduates come over to the US, and I see them making the SAME mistakes that indicate that they were TAUGHT that way. STILL, MANY of the Indians that went to such colleges speak with a grammar that is CLOSE to being correct, even if the words, pronounciation, and some of the grammar aren't right.

            There ARE some sites, etc... that have info in Hindi, and some other indian languages. EVEN Deutsche Welle(a GERMAN site) has INDIAN content in Hindi!

            BTW Columbus once made a mistake, and NEVER lived it down. TO THIS DAY the indiginous peoples in the US are called indians, though the PC crowd also started calling them "native americans". And THAT is why I said "Indians, from INDIA".

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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Assuming that this is not a spam bot message, I am not sure whether it is pure language skills that the OP was referring to.

    Obama probably have much higher language skills than Reagan. But why is Reagan called the "Great Communicator" and Obama not?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sumit Menon
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      Assuming that this is not a spam bot message, I am not sure whether it is pure language skills that the OP was referring to.

      Obama probably have much higher language skills than Reagan. But why is Reagan called the "Great Communicator" and Obama not?
      That's because Obama was caught reading from a teleprompter in India.

      And to the OP, yes... Good communication skills are important. And you should try to improve your english.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post


      Obama probably have much higher language skills than Reagan. But why is Reagan called the "Great Communicator" and Obama not?
      One word....charisma.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Dave Patterson View Post

        One word....charisma.
        Yeah, but you are forgetting the MANY other words!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Re: Why those person are neglect from society who have not good communication?
    One simple answer fits all. It's pretty hard to respond to someone if you can't understand what the heck they are talking about. If your grammar is just bad, people still respond. If you are completely unintelligible, they aren't gonna say much other than "WTF".

    And, Yes, judging from the incongruency between the name and the English verbal ability of the poster, I'd say it's safe to assume the poster is a bot.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      One simple answer fits all. It's pretty hard to respond to someone if you can't understand what the heck they are talking about. If your grammar is just bad, people still respond. If you are completely unintelligible, they aren't gonna say much other than "WTF".
      VERY TRUE!

      And, Yes, judging from the incongruency between the name and the English verbal ability of the poster, I'd say it's safe to assume the poster is a bot.
      A LOT of people pick names based on businesses(like MINE is), hobbies, heros, people they like, or merely pen names. As for Indians, names can be VERY long, so they often reduce the length a LOT. SOMETIMES, they take a western name for many reasons.

      So the name doesn't mean that much.

      And a LOT of people don't speak english well. There are several constructs in sanskrit that explain the steriotypical speech of indians. ALSO, multiple words used in English such as "more than", "up to", "Had been" may lead to interesting mistakes. so how can you assume it is a bot merely because of THAT?

      And I only studied hindi, which is based on sanskrit, a little, so I can't pretend to know everything about it, let alone see every possible mistake from the point of view of a hindi speaker learning english. Suffice it to say I can see how some of these mistakes can be made. The BEST way to speak english is by trying to convey an idea using English phrases. In MANY cases trying to replace words with english words is confusing and can sound like nonsense. Of course, I am sure you know German and can see how converting german to english can be that way.

      Yesterday, have I after the store at paint to buy gone. Then have I the house with a brush painted.

      Gestern, habe Ich nach dem Laden um Lack zu kaufen gegangen. Dann habe Ich das Haus mit einer Buerste gemahlt.

      I apologize if I made a mistake there, as I haven't spoken german for a while, but it should be close, and illustrates the idea well.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    You're off on the German Steve - they don't transpose as much as you did. No biggie.

    Also - someone more into that particular area of linguistics can tell what language someone's first language is just from the mistakes that they make. All languages will cause a predictable series of errors. But this guy's initial post/subject line are almost nonsensical. I still think it's a bot.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    I DID allude to the errors being based on the languages. Still, there are probably three types of errors that may or may not be made. Besides, they speak a lot of languages in India, and you can bet they are different in a number of ways. You may THINK that, since so many people seem similar, since they probably were all exposed to a religion known for being an indian religion which the region was NAMED after, etc... that the languages are related.

    Although I haven't looked at ANY enough to make a good comparison, I CAN tell you that THEY have to learn hindi if they want to use it, and that the scripts are VERY different. The ONLY language I have heard of that is like Hindi, outside of the sanskrit it comes from, is URDU. URDU is basically the base sanskrit language with arabic script and favoring arabic loan words.

    Oh well, I'm not that interested in how you feel about this poster, and I don't care if he is legit or not. I just wanted to state my piece.

    Steve
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