Is anyone making money with this garbage?????

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I just cleaned out my SPAM folder in my email. Again, it is full of enlarge my penis offers. 75% of my junk folder has to be this type of offer in one form or another. There must be money in this crap, or why would they continue to send it out?

Is anyone making any money from these type offers? And how the hell do they get my email address. I sure don't go to any sites that advertise this type crap. Let alone fill out any forms on these sites. They have to be harvesting my email or buying the lists. But I can't imagine there is enough money in this type product to warrant buying lists. I can't believe anyone buys it. I mean, we do all know it doesn't work, don't we?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    Are they really emails to get you to buy these products or are they emails that will give you a virus if you click on the link?

    I get hundreds of them, I just delete them - I never click on links in emails unless I know who it's from.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by timpears View Post

    There must be money in this crap, or why would they continue to send it out?
    By that logic, people must be making money in MLM, too.

    No matter how worthless and pointless something is, some number of people are going to keep doing it even if it never works at all.

    If one guy made $4,500 selling penis creams with spam seven years ago, that story is going to be told and retold over and over until the end of time by the people who sell spam delivery services. And on the strength of that story, they'll sell dozens of people $250 spam packages every month, even if nobody else ever duplicates that success.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      By that logic, people must be making money in MLM, too.

      No matter how worthless and pointless something is, some number of people are going to keep doing it even if it never works at all.

      If one guy made $4,500 selling penis creams with spam seven years ago, that story is going to be told and retold over and over until the end of time by the people who sell spam delivery services. And on the strength of that story, they'll sell dozens of people $250 spam packages every month, even if nobody else ever duplicates that success.
      Actually Bro, my brother makes about 10 or12k per month in mlm.... but he lives eats breaths and sleeps it... I havent had a conversation with him in five years that didnt end up in a recruit fest... still, he drives a mercedes and has a really nice life from mlm...

      He is the exception though.

      I like what Paul Myers says... "introducing a desperate person to mlm is like throwing a a boulder out to a drowning man...", again, James is the exception.

      He is a boulder chuckin fool though! Most of his downline arent nearly as successful.

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  • Hi Tim,

    I know for a fact that yes, (at least from 5-6 years ago), some of these guys make big $$$. The successful 'little'-'medium' guys (meaning very aggressive, but 'small' in terms of number of spam sites) tend to make around $10k/day in sales. The environment may have changed since then, so number may be different now.

    Usually it is purchased by people too embarrassed to go to a local store and buy that kind of stuff, so they look for it online. You tend to get middle aged men going through a midlife crisis, or elderly people purchasing it.

    It does work, and that's why they do it.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Tashi Mortier
      Originally Posted by Quratulain View Post

      i am also getting this spam penis enlargement emails, this is so embarrassing because i am a youngster 20 years old and female
      Oh don't worry I get breast enlargement pill offers, too, as a man

      Well yes... I guess there is a lot of money in it. Don't forget they are advertising nearly for free... (Only renting a botnet for a couple of hours)

      So if they send out say 100 million mails and only 0,001 % buy they'll still have made 1000 sales.

      Rinse and repeat...
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    Yes the spammers make money, some a seriously large amount of money.

    But they are generally going about this at MUCH BIGGER scale than anybody here at WF is doing [because their percentages are so bad].

    You think your email list of 10,000 is good? Nah, spammers will think nothing of sending off millions in a day. Obviously they have a lot more technical issues in their "field", such as acquiring email addresses on a massive scale [often through dubious/illegal methods] and making sure the emails get through the spam filters.
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  • Profile picture of the author walterj79
    This is BIG money. I used to owned a credit card processing company, and I seen merchant statements from companies in this field. They were pulling in 200-300k monthly in sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeRoe
    I'd say some of them are making money, and a lot of others see it and figure "I can do that" and give it a shot. After blasting a bunch of spam and not making any money they probably quit, and the process repeats itself, pretty much what CDarklock said.

    Just a theory but I'd guess it holds true.
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  • Profile picture of the author theentry
    I know a few people who are doing damn good in the penis health niche, it's huge! And of course most of it (maybe all) is fake
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by theentry View Post

      I know a few people who are doing damn good in the penis health niche, it's huge!
      i get these emails as well and it is huge now, they tell me i can grow 3" a day, its that big now i need to drag it around on the floor, then i get those Viagra emails that tell me i can go all day long on the end of a bottle of pills, I think thank god for email, i have it all.

      But wait there is more

      I then get an email from my long lost best buddy in some foreign country, and guess what he needs a buddy to help him convert, millions of $ and i get to keep my millions just for replying to him, wow a big donger thats works all night long and fame and fortune others can only dream of, i surly must be in heaven.

      Then i slap myself and realize i still have a jelly bean that is good for 30 seconds at a long stretch and am flat broke and pizzling into the wind.
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      • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        i get these emails as well and it is huge now, they tell me i can grow 3" a day, its that big now i need to drag it around on the floor, then i get those Viagra emails that tell me i can go all day long on the end of a bottle of pills, I think thank god for email, i have it all.

        But wait there is more

        I then get an email from my long lost best buddy in some foreign country, and guess what he needs a buddy to help him convert, millions of $ and i get to keep my millions just for replying to him, wow a big donger thats works all night long and fame and fortune others can only dream of, i surly must be in heaven.

        Then i slap myself and realize i still have a jelly bean that is good for 30 seconds at a long stretch and am flat broke and pizzling into the wind.
        Don't worry too much.

        All those emails will be followed by by other emails claiming:
        "Make money in your sleep"
        "1st place rankings in Google guaranteed"
        "The secrets of IM revealed"
        "Make $2000 a month as a IM Newbie"

        Only then will you life be complete *)
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      The most successful one's, (if you can call them that) have mug shot and personnel details, at the European spam watch dog. And just like hackers the best ones wear their success as a badge of honor, even though they are at risk of being thrown on jail?

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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Thanks everyone. I guess when you add it all up, it is just sad but true. Just like hackers. You would think that if they put that much energy into a good product promotion, they could make the same or more money, and not take advantage of people with products that don't perform.
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    It is wrong to say they could make more legit avenue of business, sometimes so but I bet often not.

    There is always more money to be made in the shadier areas of life: drugs, pimping, hacking, spamming, robbery, etc etc... why? Because of the risks that come with it.

    Just like in the stock market, rough rule of thumb as the potential return goes up the risk goes up too.

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    funny thing is two seconds after I wrote this post I read this:
    Cybercrime 'worth more than illegal drug trade' - Technology - NZ Herald News
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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    hey a boulder can be useful if it is a REALLY BIG ONE such that he can stand on top of it instead of drowning :p

    but yeah, I agree: for a few people upstream MLM can be ok, for the rest downstream it is basically a scam
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  • Profile picture of the author Jacqontheweb
    The question is, do you NEED a penis enlargement?

    lol! Sorry ... just the spam amused me so much.

    I got some that reads 'Jacqueline, you need a penis enlargement.' Or 'Size does matter, Jacqueline.' But I'm using gmail & it has been good in filtering all the spams.
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  • Profile picture of the author pethanks
    Some are reliable but most the time they are scams. Just be careful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Well, there may temporary good news...

    Federal agents working out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, just busted who may be the true spam king.

    How many e-mails was he sending out per day via infected machines?

    10,000,000,000 PER DAY! Ten billion.

    They estimate this one guy was responsible for a full 1/3 of ALL spam worldwide.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Michael,
      Federal agents working out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, just busted who may be the true spam king.
      They got him last month, I think. Hasn't made a dent in the spam flow, as far as I've seen. Those are botnets, so they can be rented out to anyone, for all sorts of nasty things. And believe it, these guys are into all sorts of nasty things.

      Google "Russian Business Network" (in quotes) for some of the basics.
      How many e-mails was he sending out per day via infected machines?

      10,000,000,000 PER DAY! Ten billion.
      Not surprising. They could do more if they chose. And spam is the least of the potential damage from that kind of distributed system.


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  • Profile picture of the author mathmo
    Nice, one third! This guy is showing the true scalability of internet marketing!

    Just kidding... kinda, well you get the point :p just be ethical about it!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by mathmo View Post

      Nice, one third! This guy is showing the true scalability of internet marketing!

      Just kidding... kinda, well you get the point :p just be ethical about it!
      Ineffective marketing though... a non targeted email is as good as not sending one.... theres no way you could do it ethically. I can see the law of numbers assisting that, but if you are targeting interested prospects you couldnt take it that far.

      Even 1% of that number would maybe make you rich though!
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  • Profile picture of the author halmo
    One useful thing in minimizing spam is using disposable e-mail addresses. (that forwards to any of your regular e-mail addresses that you designate).

    Well, this is not a solution (especially that IMers naturally expose their e-mail addresses when sending e-mails to their lists), but it could mean some spam relief. I have used it for years.

    You create a separate disposable e-mail address for EACH newsletter, software download, free service, or account or whatever it is for which you sign up that doesn't require your sensitive personal information.

    Say, if you sign up for a newsletter, or download a free software, you use a disposable e-mail. If you open a bank account (or anything that legitimately requires your personal information), you use a regular e-mail address.

    If one of the newsletters (etc) starts spamming you, you deactivate only that specific disposable e-mail address, so it enables you to keep receiving e-mails from the others, and your regular e-mail account won't be affected.

    I know, this won't stop the spam that you are already getting, but if your current e-mail address is such that you don't mind deleting, and set up a new one to which you can forward disposable e-mails, it might help you with that too And, using disposable e-mail addresses could prevent future spam.

    This is not to say that the spammers shouldn't be caught. Get them, and give them their due punishment by all means.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by halmo View Post

      One useful thing in minimizing spam is using disposable e-mail addresses. (that forwards to any of your regular e-mail addresses that you designate).

      Well, this is not a solution (especially that IMers naturally expose their e-mail addresses when sending e-mails to their lists), but it could mean some spam relief. I have used it for years.

      You create a separate disposable e-mail address for EACH newsletter, software download, free service, or account or whatever it is for which you sign up that doesn't require your sensitive personal information.

      Say, if you sign up for a newsletter, or download a free software, you use a disposable e-mail. If you open a bank account (or anything that legitimately requires your personal information), you use a regular e-mail address.

      If one of the newsletters (etc) starts spamming you, you deactivate only that specific disposable e-mail address, so it enables you to keep receiving e-mails from the others, and your regular e-mail account won't be affected.

      I know, this won't stop the spam that you are already getting, but if your current e-mail address is such that you don't mind deleting, and set up a new one to which you can forward disposable e-mails, it might help you with that too And, using disposable e-mail addresses could prevent future spam.

      This is not to say that the spammers shouldn't be caught. Get them, and give them their due punishment by all means.
      That helps on the receiving end, to some extent.

      But the real solution isn't to make it less noticeable, but to eliminate as much of it as possible at the source.

      All the best,
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      • Profile picture of the author halmo
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        That helps on the receiving end, to some extent.

        But the real solution isn't to make it less noticeable, but to eliminate as much of it as possible at the source.

        All the best,
        Michael
        Yes, fully agree. That's why I said that it's not a solution, but might be somewhat of a relief. The source has to be dealt with -- seriously.
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