Been MIA but check this OBAMA note out!

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Hey all,

Sorry for being MIA - busy as usual... no playtime for the momma.

Just got this from the David Icke newsletter - and I LOVE it! Check it out:

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Copyright David Icke, 2008. All Rights Reserved.

The David Icke Newsletter, November 23rd 2008

BARACK OBAMA ...

... THE NAKED EMPEROR

Hello all ...

I have watched with dismay this past three weeks as vast numbers of people across the world, including many who should know better, have been duped by the mind-game called Operation Obama.

Even people with some understanding of the conspiracy have said things like: 'Well, at least he's not Bush' and 'Well, at least it's great to see such a new spirit of hope'.

No, he's not Bush - he's potentially far more dangerous; and what is the use of a spirit of 'hope' if it's based on a lie? In fact, what use is 'hope' at all?

Obama's wife, Michelle, who I wouldn't trust to tell me the date in a calendar factory, said that 'everything begins and ends with hope'. Utter nonsense. Hope is a meaningless emotion because its fruits are always in the future and, by definition, never in the NOW. Hope is like riding a carousel horse; no matter how fast you go you never get closer to the one in front. The idea, however, is to persuade you to stay on the horse, despite the evitable disappointment, in the 'hope' that things will change. But they don't because the very system is designed to prevent it.

That's the way 'hope' is employed by the dastardly and devious - take the crap we are giving you now in the 'hope' that things will get better (but we know they won't). Barack Obama is a purveyor of 'hope' because his masters want the people to accept what they are given now in the hope that good times will come.

Just do what we demand, oops, sorry, Barack demands, and in return he'll inspire you to hope that it is all leading to the Promised Land. It isn't, but, by the time you realise that, it's too late.

What terrifies the manipulators is that people will abandon hope, as a future, sometime-never projection, and start to demand fairness, justice and freedom now. To avoid this nightmare they need to keep those desires as something to aspire to, not to actually have. Thus, their man, Obama, sells 'hope' as a diversion technique, a holding position, to keep the masses from truly rebelling.

We have no job, no food on the table and our home has been foreclosed, but at least we have 'hope'. Phew, thank goodness for that.

'I'm hungry, mum, can I have some hope, please?'

'I'm so sorry, darling, you can't have hope today, only tomorrow - hope is always tomorrow.'

'So will I eat tomorrow, mum?'

'We can hope so now, dear, but when we get to tomorrow, we can only hope it's the next day.'

On and on it goes. That's how 'hope' works. Or rather doesn't.

Obama's predominant mantra is 'change'. Indeed, his massively-funded, record-breaking campaign has been based on that one word - change. This is a technique used by Bill Clinton and many others and it is highly effective because, at any point, the system ensures that most people are not happy with the way life is. So, when you don't like the status quo, 'change' can be a potent message, even if, like Obama, you don't say what it means.

It has been vital to his success, and that of his controllers, that he has never specified what his 'hope', 'change', and that other mind-control trigger-word, 'believe', were referring to in terms of policy and the way society in general will be affected. Hope for what? Change what? Believe in what?

To answer those questions with specifics would have been fatal to Obama's appeal.

I studied the military/government mind-control programmes and techniques in great detail for many years during the late-1990s and across 2000, and the Obama 'phenomenon' is the most blatant mass-mind control operation you could wish to see.

At its core the plan has been to make Obama the focus of everything you hope for, believe in and want to change. This is why it has been crucial for him not to specify and detail what is meant by his 'hope, 'change' and 'believe'.

However, I can tell you what those words mean in the context of the Obama mind-game. They mean whatever you decide they mean or want them to mean. The idea is for you to project all that you stand for onto him and so he becomes the symbol of you and how you see the world.

Specifics would destroy that 'I am whatever you want me to be' scenario and so you don't get any detail, just 'hope', 'change', and 'believe'. They don't want him to be seen only as 'the Messiah'; they also want him to be Abraham Lincoln, JFK, or Buddha - anyone you choose to project on him, for he is a blank page, blank screen and empty suit. Obama is a make-your-own, do-it-yourself leader, a projection of your own mind. (If you are still asleep, that is. If you are in any way awake, he's an open book.)

Watch the video How Obama Got Elected at the end of this article to see how easy it is to manipulate the masses. It's child's play.

'I am whatever you want me to be, for I am just a projection of you. And I got a big smile, see.'

There is no more powerful way of manipulating people than to tell them what they want to hear and to keep shtum about anything they wouldn't like. Double-glazing salesmen are trained to pick up in general conversation what their target likes and dislikes and to respond accordingly in the way the product is sold. The technique is simply to tell the potential buyer what you have gleaned they want to be told.

Obama comes from the same stable, but on a massively bigger scale and with a whole network of advisors and controllers steeped in the art of manipulating minds, opinions and actions.

Obama's written-for-him speeches are not from the heart, but from the autocue. The 'heart' bit comes from extensive training and his Bill Clintonesque ability to 'mean it when he says it', a state of delivery that goes beyond mere acting. Tony Blair was trained in the same way.

But if you take a step back and look at these people dispassionately you can clearly see the techniques they consciously employ. Blair is the most blatant fraud in the way he delivers a line, stops in mid-sentence for emphasis and looks down for fake emotional effect. Obama is a little more slick, but, from where I have been looking this past year, not much.

You can see his mind working, turning between autocue screens to his left and right, then straight down the camera for his key messages. From-the-heart orators don't do that; they are too immersed in what they are feeling and saying to give even a passing thought to where they are looking or how the line is delivered.

I worked in television for more than a decade, often reading autocue while a director spoke in my ear telling me what cameras to look at. I have, since the early 1990s, spoken my truth on public stages across the world. I know, therefore, the difference between artificial autocue delivery and body language and talking from the heart without a script. Obama, I repeat, is coming from the autocue, not the heart.

Obama's speeches are a mass of mind-control techniques and Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or NLP, and they are carefully constructed to implant beliefs and perceptions into the mind of the viewer. See the study later in this newsletter headed An Examination of Obama's Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in His Speeches.

As I keep emphasising, the whole Obama circus is an exercise in mass mind control and it has been so successful because so many people live their lives in a permanent state of trance. All of which brings me to the parallels with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and similar regimes throughout history.

Obama may not look like Hitler, nor sound like Hitler, but the themes are just the same. Germany was in a terrible state economically and militarily in the 1930s in the aftermath of the First World War and the reparations inflicted on the country by the Rothschild/Illuminati-controlled Versailles 'Peace' Conference in 1919.

From amid the chaos came the man that Germans saw then in much the same way that so many see Obama today. His name was Adolf Hitler and his oratory and rhetoric, again supported by a ritualistic presentation founded on mind-control techniques, made him appear to be the German 'messiah', the German Obama.

Hitler promised 'change', 'hope' and something to 'believe in' amidst the consequences of war and financial collapse. He spoke to vast rallies of adoring followers and a mass movement emerged in support of Hitler's vision of a new tomorrow.

As the writer Webster Tarpley points out, fascism in its true sense is not just a police state imposed by a tiny hierarchy. It might end up like that, but first it is brought to power by a mass movement from within the people who have no understanding of what the 'change', hope' and 'believe' they are being offered really means. They just know that they want some because, as with Obama, they make it mean what they want it to mean. Only later do they see, to their horror, what they have signed up for.

Obama's America ...

... Hitler's Germany.

There may seem to be a world of difference, but the techniques are just the same.

Obama is far more dangerous than Bush because he can sell a line to those who are in the trance while Boy Bush could not do that on anything like the same scale. Bush was a transparent idiot with no communication skills who needed massive fraud at the polls to get him officially 'elected'. He could never be the figurehead to inspire a mass movement of the people to support some vacuous 'hope', 'change' and 'believe' when they don't even know what those words are supposed to mean.

But Obama clearly can, because he has.

One of 'his' (his controllers') prime targets are the young, just as they were with the Nazis and the Hitler Youth Movement. If you think this parallel is far-fetched then have a look at this video to see how extreme Obama worship has already become for some young people. Hitler Youth was just the same. Click here to watch ...

In line with this same theme, the WorldNetDaily website reported this month:

'The official website of President-Elect Barack Obama, Change.gov, originally announced that Obama would "require" all middle school through college students to participate in community service programs; but after a flurry of blogs protested children being drafted into Obama's proposed youth corps, the website's wording was softened.

Originally, under the tab "America Serves", Change.gov read, "President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in under served schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps.

"Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year," the site announced.'

For the full story click here ...

Obama said in a speech in July in Colorado Springs that he wanted to see a 'civilian national security force' that would be as powerful and well-funded as the Marines, Navy and Air Force. Click here for the speech, the relevant segment starts at around 16 minutes.

As Joseph Farah, founder of WorldNetDaily, wrote:

'If we're going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn't this rather a big deal? I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military.

How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together? Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that? If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?'

Obama meant, amid the flowery words, that he's not in favour of either peace or freedom. He is a front-man demagogue for the same force that controlled Boy Bush, Clinton, Father Bush, Reagan, Carter, ad infinitum; but the difference is that he has been hyped to such hysterical proportions that he will be allowed to get away with far more than they were, at least until reality dawns on the mass ranks of his hypnotised supporters. And, clearly, that could take some time.

When I was a journalist a long time ago, I came across a technique that some tabloid newspaper reporters would use to get someone to speak with them. They would work in pairs with the first one knocking on the door of some distressed family who didn't want to talk with the media. He would tell them he was from a newspaper he didn't really work for and treat them with aggression and contempt to make them even more upset.

He would then leave and his colleague would knock on the door, tell them the real newspaper he was from, and act like Mr. Nice Guy. He would say that he understood completely how upsetting the other man must have been, but 'if you will only speak to me exclusively I will make sure that the other man, nor anyone like him, will bother you again'. They usually agreed and the scam was complete.

Much the same thing is happening with regard to Bush and Obama. The Neoconservative 'Republican' wing of the Illuminati has controlled Bush for the last eight years and led the country into foreign wars and financial chaos (bad guy/problem); now the 'Democratic' wing, led by the infamous Zbigniew Brzezinski, has brought forth the 'saviour', Barack Obama, to lead us into the sunshine with 'hope' and 'change' (good guy/solution).

Hence even some more aware people say: 'At least he's not Bush'.

Apart from the unspecified 'hope, 'change' and 'believe', few have any idea what Obama's policies will be. Public perception comes from having an 'image' of him, or a self-projection, not the fine print because Obama doesn't do fine print until the votes are cast and even then he will hide it in his windbag words.

There is an 'image' that Obama is against war, but no he's not. He says he's against the invasion of Iraq, though we'll see what he does about that in office. How can a man calling for more troops, including European troops, to be sent to Afghanistan be against war? He has also said he is prepared to bomb Pakistan and use military force to stop Iran building nuclear weapons.

Obama isn't against war at all and, if his controllers have their way, he will engage the US in even more foreign conflicts with the troops sent to their deaths, and the deaths of their targets, on a wave of oratory from the dark suit with the black face who would never go where he's sending them.

He claims to be a 'uniter', which is exactly what Bush said about himself before he came to office, but unity in and of itself is not the issue. Nazi Germany had unity in the early years of the war, but was that a good thing? What matters is what the unity is designed to achieve and Obama's much-vaunted 'unity' is to 'inspire' a mass movement to support the Orwellian plans of the Illuminati.

His constant rhetoric about 'bringing people together' can be used to justify the 'coming together' of the United States, Canada and Mexico in the North American Union; it can be used to unite the believers in their opposition and condemnation of non-believers, which is precisely what happened in Nazi Germany with the book-burning and violent suppression of those who challenged the Hitler regime.

The potential of Obama Mania is endless when it comes to selling fascism as 'hope, change', 'freedom' and a 'New America', or 'New World' [Order].

Bush and Cheney were transparent warmongers and would always have struggled to bring in the draft, the compulsory enlistment of people into the military against their will. But it would not be as difficult for Obama in the current climate. Look at those kids in the video earlier and, for goodness sake, he's already talking about compulsory community service for middle school, high school and college students and creating a people's army in America.

That's why I say Obama is far more dangerous to freedom than Bush. In the last eight years Bush could only get part of the way to fascism - Obama has the potential to finish the job, for all the reasons I have mentioned and more.

You only have to look at the cabal behind Obama, and those he has already appointed to his administration team, to see what his 'change' is truly planned to be. His mentor, svengali and main controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, and the co-founder, with David Rockefeller, of the Illuminati's Trilateral Commission.

Brzezinski has admitted publicly that he began to fund and train what he would call today 'terrorists' in Afghanistan to oppose the Soviet-controlled government in the capital, Kabul, in the late 1970s. The idea, he said, was to entice the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan to protect the Kabul regime and thus give the rival superpower 'their Vietnam'. The plan worked at the cost of a million Afghan lives during the Soviet occupation from 1979 to 1989, a consequence that troubles Brzezinski not at all.

Brzezinski's 'freedom fighters' would become known as the 'Mujahideen' and later the Taliban and what is claimed to be 'Al-Qaeda'. This is the man behind 'anti-war', Barack Obama. It was common knowledge that President Carter would do nothing involving foreign policy without the okay from Brzezinski, the co-founder of the Trilateral Commission which chose Carter for president.

The Trilateral Commission and the wider Brzezinski network, including Illuminati fronts like the Ford Foundation, have now chosen Obama and the situation will be the same. Brzezinski will call shots; Obama's job is simply to sell them to the people. This is rather alarming when you think that Brzezinski wants to trigger a war involving Russia and China.

'Obama's' policies come straight from Brzezinski's books. Here is one Brzezinski quote you might recognise and it was made before Obama ran for president:

'Needed social reassessment . . . can be encouraged by deliberate civic education that stresses the notion of service to a higher cause than oneself. As some have occasionally urged, a major step in that direction would be the adoption of an obligatory period of national service for every young adult, perhaps involving a variety of congressionally approved domestic or foreign good works.'

Now where have I heard that before?

As an Illuminati operative, Brzezinski's aim is to create a world government, central bank, currency and army - a global dictatorship - underpinned by a microchipped population connected to a global computer/satellite system. He wrote a book in 1970, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era, in which he described the global society that he and the Illuminati seek to impose:

'The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.'

He also said in the same book nearly 40 years ago:

'Today we are again witnessing the emergence of transnational elites ... [Whose] ties cut across national boundaries ... It is likely that before long the social elites of most of the more advanced countries will be highly internationalist or globalist in spirit and outlook ... The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty ... Further progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively favorable American position.'

And what does his puppet, Obama, now say that Americans have to do to bring about 'change'? 'Make sacrifices'. As Mrs. Demagogue, Michelle, said:

'We need a different leadership because our souls are broken. We need to be inspired ... to make the sacrifices that are needed to push us to a different place.'

You can bet that this will include sacrificing more sovereignty and freedom on the road to the global dictatorship described by Brzezinski for decades.

Brzezinski's son, Mark, was an 'advisor' to the Obama campaign (doing what his father told him) and, in line with the American one-party-state, his other son, Ian, was foreign policy advisor to the McCain campaign (doing what his father told him). Brzezinski's daughter, Mika, reported the campaign for MSNBC television.

Obama has been the chosen one for a long time, a fact known only to a few in the deep inner circle, and his relationship with Brzezinski almost certainly goes back to the start of the 1980s when he attended the Ivy League, and big-time Illuminati, Columbia University where Brzezinski was head of the Institute for Communist Affairs. Obama simply will not talk in any detail about this period.

And a question: Does anyone really believe that someone, a 'man of the people', would simply appear from apparently nowhere to run the slickest and best-funded presidential campaign in American history? He was chosen long ago by those who wish to enslave the very people that Obama says he wants to 'set free'.

Then there is the Jewish financier, George Soros, the multi-billionaire associate of Brzezinski and closely involved with the funding and marketing of Obama. Soros is a former board member of the Illuminati's Council on Foreign Relations and funds the European Council on Foreign Relations. In short, he is a major insider.

You can certainly see the Soros/Brzezinski techniques in the Obama 'revolution' in the United States. It was the complex and secretive network of Soros foundations and organisations, connected to the intelligence agencies of the US and Israel, that trained and funded students in the Ukraine, Georgia and elsewhere in the art of mass protest and overthrowing governments - see the David Icke Newsletter, The Grand Chessboard ... Georgia Is Just Another Move.

These manufactured protests were sold to the world as 'peoples' revolutions', but it just so happened that when they were over and the old regime was removed the new leaders were those waiting in the wings all along - the puppets of Soros, Brzezinski and their associated networks.

Obama is just more of the same, a big smile with strings attached, and controlled completely by the Illuminati networks that chose him, trained him, sold him and provided his record funding. It was they who kept his many skeletons under wraps and will continue to do so as long as he jumps to their bidding.

He's just another Banksters' moll prostituting himself for fame and power, and that's why he supported the grotesque bail-out of the banking system and why he will always put their interests before the people. His financial advisors are straight from the Wall Street 'A' list, including Paul Volker (Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group), the head of the Federal Reserve from 1979 to 1987 and Illuminati to his fingertips

This week Bloomberg.com reported that the Center for American Progress (CAP), housed just three blocks from the White House, has become a major source for policy initiatives for the Obama Democratic Party. Who funds the Center for American Progress? George Soros.

It is simply the Neocon Project for the New American Century and the American Enterprise Institute under another name. Those two organisations developed and dictated the Bush policy of war and suppression and the 'CAP' and others like it will do the same for Obama. The CAP will fit and Obama will wear it.

In fact, except in name and rhetoric, there is no difference in theme between the regimes of Bush and Obama. Bush policy was dictated through Illuminati 'think tanks' and so is Obama's. Bush was surrounded by slavish pursuers of Israeli interests and so is Obama.

Mr. 'Change' has pledged his unquestioning support for Israel to the point of 'pass the sick bag' and his vice-president, Joe Biden, is a vehement Zionist who makes a virtue of saying he will support Israel in all circumstances.

Obama has appointed the arch Zionist Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff and another super Zionist Jew, Denis Ross, to be his Middle East Policy advisor. God help the Palestinians. Ross also served in the Bill Clinton and Father George Bush administrations. Oh, plenty of 'change' there, then.

Rahm Emanuel, a Chicago-born Congressman, is the son of Benjamin M. Emanuel, who was a member of the murderous Jewish terrorist organisation, Irgun, which helped to bomb and terrorise Israel into existence. The Open Secrets website reports that Emanuel was the top House recipient in 2008 for election contributions from 'hedge funds, private equity firms and the larger securities/investment industry'.

Emanuel was also appointed by Bill Clinton to the board of the mortgage giant Freddie Mac in 2000 and his tenure coincided with a stream of scandals and financial irregularities. It famously had to be bailed out by the taxpayer amid the sub-prime mortgage debacle.

A close friend of Emanuel is the Chicago-based Zionist, David Axelrod, who ran Obama's election campaign and will no doubt be highly influential in the Obama administration. Axelrod is a veteran of Chicago politics, one of the most corrupt political systems in the world. He worked for many Chicago mayors in the 1990s and on Obama's senate campaign in 2004.

Bill Clinton took his Arkansas cabal to Washington when he became president in 1993 and Obama is uploading his Chicago mob and handing them key positions of national power and influence. And these guys don't take prisoners.

All of this may be many things, none of them pleasant, but 'change' it isn't.

David Axelrod, Obama's 'narrator' and handler. Click here for a background article that needs some reading between the lines ...

Obama is a monumental fraud who talks a good story, but lives a very different one. He won his first political office as a state senator in Chicago in 1996, not through the power of his policies, but by coldly abusing the electoral process.

Instead of running against his opponents and letting the people decide, he had his people challenge hundreds of names on the nomination papers of his Democratic primary rivals until they were all forced off the ballot by technicalities. He then ran unopposed. One of them, Gha-is Askia, says that Obama's behaviour belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights:

'Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates? He talks about honour and democracy, but what honour is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?'

Why? Because he would probably have lost and Obama isn't interested in losing by playing fair. He wants to win by any means necessary. The only voter-right he's interested in is the right to vote for him.

Obama is a classically corrupt main-chancer spawned from the Chicago political cesspit. His close connections, therefore, to seriously dodgy 'businessmen' and fraudsters like the now jailed slum landlord Tony Rezko are exactly what you would expect.

But for now no scale of evidence will stop the swooning Obama zombies from believing the hype or burst their reality bubble. That is going to take hard experience and it could take some time and a lot of disappointment before they are released from the clutches of cognitive dissonance and have to admit to themselves they have been had.

It is the same for all the black people who voted for what they thought was the first black president when, in truth, he is a man in a black mask representing the interests of the white-faced Illuminati cabal, the very families and networks that ran the slave trade.

I don't want to be the bringer of bad news or the thwarter of dreams, but honesty demands it. The man is a trickster controlled by super-tricksters. A sock puppet controlled by bigger sock puppets who serve an even greater and darker evil.

To his masters, Obama is just a means to an end and if it suits them to assassinate him to trigger civil war and upheaval in the United States then that is what they will do.

Oh dear Oprah, how will you cope when reality dawns? But, then, will it ever??

'What? You mean you're not the Lord?'

I can understand the appeal of Obama because people want him to be what he claims to be, but isn't. They are sick of the conflict, the corruption, the struggle we call 'life' and they want it all to change. But Obama's change is illusory and represents only the continued transformation of society in the image envisaged by Orwell.

We will see some apparently good things announced, like the closing of Guantanamo, to give the impression that Obama means what he says. But keep your eye on the ball and you'll see how the agenda of the global tyranny is introduced under the guise of Obama's 'hope', 'change', 'believe', 'sacrifice' and 'coming together'.

It could take two years, maybe much more, before cognitive dissonance (lying to yourself) loses it current grip on the minds of the Obama faithful. Until then they will make endless excuses for him (lie to themselves) to keep the 'dream' alive.

But one day they will have to admit, by the power of the evidence before them, that they bought a dream and got a nightmare. What a pity they can't see the obvious now and save them themselves such painful disappointment.
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Wow - need I say more?

Thanks!
Michelle
PS - wish I had more time to write a shorter note!
  • Profile picture of the author johnsamuels
    Wait this is the guy who thinks the world will end in 2012, and that the New World Order will bomb London in 2009?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
      Originally Posted by johnsamuels View Post

      Wait this is the guy who thinks the world will end in 2012, and that the New World Order will bomb London in 2009?
      Nah, don't think David Icke thinks that way - he's more along the lines of the "micro-chipped" human race plugged into a computer and that kind of thing. He's got some really interesting stuff. There are some videos on his site... one sec...

      David Icke Website - Home - I had tried watching turning of the tide, but my browser hosed down after about the first 1/2 hour. The one above it was a good one too. Dude make sense to me - for many reasons.

      Another guy that is really good is Michael Tsarion. Google his name - or check on youtube and you'll find some cool stuff from that Irish guy!

      Thanks!
      Michelle
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    I couldn't read all that but what would Icke have said if McCain won?
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      Originally Posted by annoyedgirl View Post

      I couldn't read all that but what would Icke have said if McCain won?
      Hahaha pretty much the same thing I'll bet. Both party "candidates" are basically hand selected by Illuminati anyhow - so it doesn't matter which gets into office - the plan still unfolds according to the design.

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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    Oh boy you can help me with my book-I'm either gonna include the Bohemian Grove or the Illuminati in there. But this is confusing me. Okay do you know who is in the illuminati and how it got started? Is it the same thing as bohemian grove? And why do they want a nwo how will that benefit them? Is Bush Illuminati? Is Obama and McCain also illuminati?

    A NWO is taking place in my book, but I have to figure out WHY.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
      Hey there Annoyed Girl,

      I've been looking into this for quite a while because there is too much that doesn't make sense on the surface, until you start digging a little deeper. The Illuminati started when time began I bet. The go through certain bloodlines throughout history. David Icke explains it quite well in his videos.

      If you want to go "all deep" you'll have to think about a 4th dimension a bit. We live in a 3rd dimension. The 4th dimension very possibly has "forces" that Icke calls the "reptilians" who have been altering the outcome of the human race since Babylonian times, maybe longer - who knows.

      If you consider that in the 4th dimension time isn't what it is here on the earth, and these creatures, forces, whatever - can have quite a lifespan - of say 500 to 1000 years or more, or lets just say that time is quite "different" on the 4th plane. This gives them quite a bit of power, because our lifespans are short, and our memories even shorter. If we lived as long as they do (if in deed there are 4th dimensional creatures - which I believe is quite possible) - we would probably have a MUCH better understanding.

      Think of a pyramid - with all the different levels (like in Egypt) with the very top of the pyramid consisting of about 13 bloodlined families that control what happens at each level of the pyramid. Just like the scammer at the top of the pyramid gets all the cash, while the lower levels "contribute".

      These people already have more than enough money. They want POWER. They gain power through fear. Problem - reaction - solution. Create a problem so the public cries "something has to be done" - then present the solution to the problem that you began in the first place. It's perfect.

      Just like the sheep in the field. A couple start moving when the sheep herder shows up - most of the rest follow - then the few stragglers are rounded up by a sheepdog nipping at their heels - getting them back in line through what? Fear.

      In our race, we are controlled by Fear of LOSS - (think not enough gas - high prices, not enough jobs, poverty, bad economies, no food etc.) This sick SOB's CREATE those problems, don't think they don't - so they can offer us a war, or a 700 bill buyout, or new laws that take away more of our freedoms - etc. and so on. Fear of jails, fear of the "man" fear of concentration camps - you see? Fear of consequences of stepping out of line, or "out of the comfort zone" - because they'll label you "bipolar" for instance and pump you full of more drugs to "control" you. Makes me nuts some days.

      Bohemian Grove is indeed involved, and is a place where Illuminati go to do sick rituals and whatnot. They have parties, do rituals in front of a big owl, and has even been mentioned as a place where "missing children" are "sacrificed" by some. Alex Jones did a video from inside Bohemian Grove and has interviewed people who were there (who tend to get real irrate with him when he does it) LOL!

      Illuminati is basically a "group" of the top level players of the pyramid, with their real "puppet masters" in the background pulling the strings - which I tend to think are 4th dimensional beings.

      By what I understand about the bloodlines - are that they are inbred to the point of extreme mental problems - obviously. Apparently the reason that the 4th dimensional creatures keep this particular bloodline "so clean" is because the humans with that bloodline are easier to manipulate, and possess. Icke says he has seen a reptilian or two, and while possessing a human being, the human's eyes turn all black (whites and all) turn into like a dimensional blackness. Since I've never seen one, who knows.

      I'm so open minded my brains are likely to fall out - but I don't doubt this honestly. I've seen, heard, and had many wild experiences in my life, so I'm basically sure there are forces that we don't see just a level away. Close enough to touch, and blending with this level. And no, I'm not crazy.

      Yes, Bush is an Illuminati puppet, and so is Obama. If you look on youtube for Michael Tsarion, he'll explain quite clearly how these people use symbols and do things "right in front of our faces" cause we're basically too "dumbed down" to see if for what it really is. Or just go to my site Symbols Of Illuminati - Teaching You About Illuminati Symbols and hit the video page. I think I have the whole series linked there - but haven't updated the site in a while.

      Taking what I learned from Michael Tsarion, it wasn't hard for me to piece Obama getting elected way before anyone else KNEW. My mom and I had a discussion months back, and she was SURE McCain would get in, and Oh if Obama did - yadda yadda.

      I said "Look mom. Obama WILL be elected, and here's why. Number one he's got Illuminati blood." (and I explained what that meant) from Dick Cheney I think it is. Obama is Cheney's 8th cousin or something goofy. Needless to say he has blood.

      Then I said "Figure this... OSAMA - OBAMA - one letter off? Obama's middle name of Hussein? Sadam Hussein? It's our 44th President - (which is a master number btw) - Come on. Who can't figure this out?"

      They use symbols, numbers, names. The average person doesn't know half of it, and most they brush off as crazy if they DO hear it. They have called Icke nuts for years, but things he said in the 80s and 90s are happening. Go figure. He's spent many years researching this stuff, and is quite on it down to the names of those involved. The Rockefeller family, the Queen of England, etc. He'll name every "player" for you. And tie it all together in a nice neat little bunch where it actually begins to make sense.

      Do some reading from David Icke, Alex Jones cracks me up cause he's SO in your FACE - I love that, and also Michael Tsarion for the symbol info. That guy is wonderful in explaining things too. There is also another older guy I posted on my symbols site name Eustace Mullins I think it is. He's pretty interesting too.

      Hope that helps!

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Taking what I learned from Michael Tsarion, it wasn't hard for me to piece Obama getting elected way before anyone else KNEW.
        Michelle- This Michael Tsarion? THE MICHAEL TSARION NAVIGATION PAGE...FEATURING LINKS TO ALL DOMAINS...TAROSCOPES, ORIGINS AND ORACLES, IRISH ORIGINS OF CIVILIZATION, ASTRO-THEOLOGY, ARCHITECTS OF CONTROL, TIMEGNOSIS, THE METACHILD, PSYCHIC VAMPIRISM, AND THE MTSAR FORUM...

        He's not universally respected and has been criticized for quotes in his books attributed to the wrong people, etc. He's considered an occultist. His Wikipedia page was deleted with the comment from Wiki "Tyranny of dissolving liberties being all well and good, Wikipedia isn't the place." Other comments I've found about him:

        I get the distinct feeling that he's a businessman. You can become an initiate in his Mystical School for 555$ and you can buy all kinds of astrology and tarot reports from him, of various kinds. Of course he has also alot of lectures on DVD that you can buy and very expensive ebook
        Michael Tsarion is a fake and a shill, put out by the powers that be to mix fact with fiction and create mass confusion among our movement. He promotes the belief in aliens as well as a mass of other occult garbage including tarot cards and astrology...
        His forum is filled with people who follow him with religious fervor... his followers will viciously attack anyone who mentions anything negative about their great spiritual leader. This is no different from the behavior of the members of any other cult.
        Then, if you check his pages on "psychic vampirism" and if you read his blogs where he talks about psychic vampires you'll find examples of blatant ignorance on human nature and psychological disease. It's filled with hate and prejudice, at one point he talks about how all "psychic vampires" should best be removed, shot through their "3rd eye" etc..
        Alex Jones - Can be interesting reading - site described as "Conspiracy-tinted site containing strong opposition to socialism, communism, and the New World Order."

        David Icke

        British author exposes the reptilian bloodline that rules the world. Learn the truth about many people, including the British Royals, Brian Mulroney, ...

        At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group referred to as the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.
        I've always laughingly said that I was missing the "domestic" gene - but it seems I also lack the conspiracy gene as some of the things these men claim cracks me up.

        repitilian humanoids, protocols of the elders, tarot cards. reptilian bloodlines, psychic vampires, 4th dimensional beings?...and Boxcar Willie?

        I'm so open minded my brains are likely to fall out
        I don't think you're crazy - but being open minded to me means being open to considering alternate possibilities that I may not be aware of. It doesn't mean believing in all of it. After seeing Tsarion referenced some time ago I read some of his stuff and I think he's identified a great market - people interested in believing in wild conspiracies and occult solutions who will blindly follow him (and buy his stuff). I think he's a nut - but that's just me.

        Icke is only slightly behind him. (Still chucking at Kris Kristofferson and Boxcar Willie being in the same reptilian category as Queen Elizabeth).

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Completely agree, Kay. Now we all know that there is a group who aspires to rule the world, and I've done tarot cards and got some absolutely creepy results. And both the satanic bible and Jesus had a thing to say about "psychic vampires" although Jesus didn't use the terminology. The idea is the same though - stay away from those who zap your resolve, strength, and energy.

    But when it comes to reptilian people running around....I am sorry but how can we honestly believe that reptilian, which is a cold blooded form of animal,
    could be a form of entity in power when they are hell bent on trying to STOP global warming? Heavy sigh. So when's the kool-aid being passed around on that site?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Completely agree, Kay. Now we all know that there is a group who aspires to rule the world, and I've done tarot cards and got some absolutely creepy results. And both the satanic bible and Jesus had a thing to say about "psychic vampires" although Jesus didn't use the terminology. The idea is the same though - stay away from those who zap your resolve, strength, and energy.

      But when it comes to reptilian people running around....I am sorry but how can we honestly believe that reptilian, which is a cold blooded form of animal,
      could be a form of entity in power when they are hell bent on trying to STOP global warming? Heavy sigh. So when's the kool-aid being passed around on that site?
      Hey Sal!

      I think Icke calls them "reptilian" for lack of a better term, and that's what they resemble to HIM. If I ever saw one, I might think it was a "spirit" or a "ghost" or some black blob. Who knows.

      I'll take some of that Kool-aid! I thought Global Warming was a farce anyhow... isn't it just the sun?

      Nice to "type" ya!

      Hope you have a wonderful holiday!
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      • Profile picture of the author tommyp
        Originally Posted by Michelle Brouse View Post

        Hey Sal!

        I think Icke calls them "reptilian" for lack of a better term, and that's what they resemble to HIM. If I ever saw one, I might think it was a "spirit" or a "ghost" or some black blob. Who knows.
        NAH. I've watched practically all his stuff and when he says reptilian he means reptilian literally.

        For just two watch his interview with Arizona Wilder here: and the one with Credo Mutwa here: and which some say are fake or at least the one with Arizona Wilder may be putting him on (Google it for details) and Credo Mutwa I don't know what to say except that to me he seems to be making things up as he goes along.

        Icke's "love" message makes me sick - it's just as meaningful as he says Michelle Obama's brand of hope is and like many others he's off on Biblical astrotheology confusing Bible with Roman Catholic paganism convoluted with Bible and calling it Christian instead of calling it what it really is and I'm not even sure what to say about Michael Tsarion other than making an ad hominem attack.

        They don't know Bible...
        Acharya S. is a disgusting feminazi bitch that likes to play the race and sex card when she's getting her ass handed to her, Michael Tsarion is full of himself, Alex Jones is a momo that I've caught changing things over time and it's usually subtle, William Schnoebelen is a fraud who has carved himself a niche as far as I'm concerned, Greg Szymansky is like a pathetic joke, Jordan Maxwell isn't as intelligent as he seems and it's too bad he seems to be worse at his main interest, which is theology than at the conspiracy stuff he talks about and Eric Jon Phelps is a jack ass who would put a halo on his "Anglo-Saxon Baptist Calvinist Protestant White Northern European Whatever..." title if it were a person.

        Of all of these I would rather listen to Jordan Maxwell. I actually like hearing him even though I roll my eyes occasionally.

        Who cares how much fact, figures and dates a lot of these people know when their interpretation lives between the realm of ego and insanity. It's too bad people count that as being intelligent. Eric Jon Phelps is a good example of someone who impresses people with a lot of data but doesn't know what the hell they are talking about much like David Koresh was an idiot even though he had a good memory for memorizing Scripture, which in the end means nothing.

        Find and listen to Eric Jon Phelps' and Nelson Turner's "Averting the Race War" for a good laugh at his fantasy if it's still out there. It's hours long. I have it on my hard drive and although it's unlikely I have fantasized about making a blog and ripping it apart point by point. I bet most won't make it half way through. Your jaw will drop, you may giggle occasionally, roll your eyes and then ultimately get sick.

        I don't have the knowledge to judge whether or not what he says about the Jesuits is true but judging from his reasoning abilities on things I feel I know a little bit more about like certain things talked about in "Averting the Race War" (and many things don't come down to knowledge but you can catch them often on common sense blunders and sleight of tongue) I think I'd rather get Jesuit information elsewhere and wouldn't use him or any other one of these people as anything other than a spring board at best.

        And most of the jackass, bandwagon jumper, "me too" fame hungry YouTube and Google Video "docu-shit" making Conspiracy nobodies can be worse than the more well known "experts" although occasionally a few can be a voice of reason.

        But this is all just the view of this one asshole and you can go ahead believing what you want.
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        • Profile picture of the author acreativetouch
          On the videos you posted. The first one was very interesting. However, the premise that the world leaders are reptilians from Mars is a little far fetched, IMHO. The other three are no longer available.

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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by acreativetouch View Post

            On the videos you posted. The first one was very interesting. However, the premise that the world leaders are reptilians from Mars is a little far fetched, IMHO. The other three are no longer available.

            dorothy
            I think Thom will be coming out with a new video series on how to capture and grill Martian reptilians over an open fire with his herbs and spices. I have some recipes for American southwest lizards, but would like to try more exotic dishes. These taste just like chicken.
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              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              I think Thom will be coming out with a new video series on how to capture and grill Martian reptilians over an open fire with his herbs and spices. I have some recipes for American southwest lizards, but would like to try more exotic dishes. These taste just like chicken.
              Sounds wonderful...but they're not kosher.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michelle Brouse
    Hey there Kay,

    I see what you're saying, and I do know what you mean. I go with mostly what I feel is internally correct - much like a compass. It's great to learn from others, and it's wonderful to absorb new info that "opens your mind" because well - some folks just live in a box. They won't even open the mind to other ideas, aspects, etc.

    It does not surprise me that you'll find so many derogatory comments about each person I mentioned - because Hey - they're all "kooks" - or have something "other in mind" than giving out free info to make you think. Doesn't every other marketer on the planet if you want to get right down to it? We all need to make some cash one way or the other - why not go with the "niche" we're interested in - and go for it?

    All these guys are spreading out info at a good pace, and it's nothing you have to pay for unless you WANT to. People who get wrapped up in "cults" already have that kind of "viewpoint" anyhow - they are looking for anyone "outside themselves" to solve their problems. Funny thing is, everything is solved from INSIDE - not from the outside.

    Tarot cards - have them, and periodically mess around with readings, have since I was about 17 years old. I LIKE Tarot cards. I have also tried "WICCA" - automatic writing, Scrying etc. There is something to it, and I chose to leave most of it alone because it's quite powerful, and if you goof - you pay. Law of physics, nature whatever - I give!

    With the exception of Tarot Cards - never had any bad experiences to speak of with cards. I actually didn't look at most of his other stuff from that site - which I might later just to see what all the hubbub is about.

    But - take immunizations for example. 7 years ago, before I ever heard about the Illuminati in any meaningful way, and before I considered any "conspiracy theories" other than area 51 - I KNEW.

    When they were sticking my baby with those needles I cried - because I KNEW something was seriously WRONG - it was something I can't explain. Yes, of course I felt bad for my son getting stuck with a needle - but it was MORE. It was a deep sadness that I was making a bad choice. Yes I know all the docs will tell you it's for your child's own good, and that it will prevent them from getting incurably ill, but it didn't FEEL that way to me.

    It just felt WRONG. It made me sad, and it made me MAD. Deep down. Without ANYONE else's input. And that's what I'm talking about here. I had never had kids. I never expected to cry when they shot my first son up. (and every single time after that with both boys to date I have cried) - no kidding. Because something about the whole "immunization" thing is wrong. I KNOW it, not because I've been told, but because I FEEL it that deeply.

    That's your GUT - your intuition, your higher power - your GOD - call it whatever you like. But it's there. And it's your "internal compass" if you listen. So many have been "dulled" from the internal compass. Many more have it much more than I do. I'm just one little ole mom over here, trying to do the best for my family - so I'll learn, and I'll read, and I'll internalize what my GUT is telling me to internalize.

    It will be very different how, and what every other person internalizes. We're all kind of like different pieces to one big puzzle all around the world - the good the bad, the crazy, the sane, and the ones who are CALLED crazy - just because they do something different.

    yah, OK take a person who murders kids for example - SICK - but I've tried to figure that out... and it just doesn't make any sense - so I'm at a loss on many things. I cannot understand a mother who drowns their kids in a car, or in a bathtub - and it makes me want them to be murdered in the same way they murdered their kids. Would a murder by the way they killed make sense? Probably not.

    What do you do to people who have murdered others? Kill em? Well heck why not, right?

    I don't have any answers to that kind of stuff, and wish I did. Maybe I'll find out later in life and get a clue from the good ole gut - but as of yet - nothing helps me "get that."

    On the other hand, the stuff that DOES make sense to me, I don't mind sharing. It may lead someone else to their OWN internal compass - hopefully not into any kind of CULT that's for sure!

    Well I gotta get back to work again... or to bed. One or the other.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author clint48
      Michelle, It's possible a few people control the president, but it's very unlikely non humans control the people that control the president. If you want to believe there are people that control the president that's fine, but if you want to believe non humans control them then you need to have proof before you even think about believing that. That is going over the line and you are being brain washed at that point.

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  • Profile picture of the author fbivens
    Wow...what a waste of a lot of energy just reading this thread! Give the guy a chance to do his job for crying out loud...we gave Dubya 8 years! Give Obama time to get his feet dry & then judge him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Michelle - Not sure what the detour into child immunization was - but consider this....

      For many years parents had no problems with getting immunization shots for their children. That's because some of those parents - or their own parents - remembered diseases like measles, smallpox, etc and how devastating they could be.

      The problem with the shots arose only after the medical community started giving shots to suit PARENT'S schedules and DOCTORS' schedules by combined multiple immunizations into one or two massive doses.

      It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that a baby's body may react poorly to a massive injection of disease fighting organisms. I won't give the combined injections to my dogs - but parents loved the idea of only one trip to the doctor for immunization so that's what was started.

      Only after those combination shots became common did the problems they can cause become apparent. When my grandson had his shots a few years ago, my daughter-in-law insisted on well spaced "old fashioned" separate shots rather than the combination. That's the way to go.

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by clint48 View Post

      It's possible a few people control the president, but it's very unlikely non humans control the people that control the president. If you want to believe there are people that control the president that's fine, but if you want to believe non humans control them then you need to have proof before you even think about believing that. That is going over the line and you are being brain washed at that point.
      Clint
      Icke calls them "reptilian", which actually is of the highest order of the Illuminati. The Illuminati are aliens from another planet that have been shaping and influencing world events and civilizations for eons. They are responsible for most of the major achievements and inventions such as fire, the wheel, the Great Pyramids and are now influencing world events to gain complete control. Ancient civilizations have reported UFO sightings, as we see to this day. These aliens have been arriving silently on earth daily in preparation for a global invasion by the galactic empire. The resistance has been battling this invasion by assasinating their puppet leaders, but they keep coming and gaining even more power. Until 1947, however, there was no real evidence of alien settlement on earth. Now we have complete evidence that world leaders are in fact the Chosen Ones of the Illuminati. The earth will soon be taken over by the Illuminati and occupying forces will arrive from galactic bases when the resistance is crushed.

      On July 8, 1947, the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed "flying disc" near Roswell, sparking intense media interest. Later the same day, the Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force stated that, in fact, a weather balloon had been recovered by RAAF personnel, rather than a "flying saucer." A subsequent press conference was called, featuring debris said to be from the crashed object that seemed to confirm the weather balloon description. The case was quickly forgotten and almost completely ignored, even by UFO researchers, for more than 30 years. Then, in 1978, ufologist Stanton T. Friedman interviewed Major Jesse Marcel, who was involved with the original recovery of the debris in 1947. Marcel expressed his belief that the military had covered up the recovery of an alien spacecraft. Additional witnesses and reports emerged over the following years. They added significant new details, including claims of a large military operation dedicated to recovering alien craft and aliens themselves, at as many as 11 crash sites, and alleged witness intimidation. In 1989, former mortician Glenn Dennis put forth a detailed personal account, wherein he claimed that alien autopsies were carried out at the Roswell base.

      Despite all attempts by the resistance, the Illuminati is winning the propaganda war. It is only a matter of time before the earth will be controlled by aliens of the Illuminati galactic empire, facilitated by the latest Illuminati puppet - Barack Obama, the Chosen One.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Now we have complete evidence that world leaders are in fact the Chosen Ones of the Illuminati. The earth will soon be taken over by the Illuminati and occupying forces will arrive from galactic bases when the resistance is crushed.
        Sure they will. Now back away ....slowly.


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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Sure they will. Now back away ....slowly.
          LOL, Kay! I was just showing that anyone can spin a good yarn about conspiracies, even me. That was pretty good, though, right? Maybe someone else can top that.

          LMAO!
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          • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
            Excellent job. yep, these guys are good fiction writers and you've got this niche down Paul. You should go on the road and get some groupies now.

            As TommyP says about Ickes "I don't know what to say except that to me he seems to be making things up as he goes along." I agree. Good post Tommy.

            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            LOL, Kay! I was just showing that anyone can spin a good yarn about conspiracies, even me. That was pretty good, though, right? Maybe someone else can top that.

            LMAO!
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Yes of course, Paul. I am sure you have read the Enuma Elish (Summerian Creation Epoch from which Genesis was derived? It states that humans were brought into existence for the purpose of mining the earth - which pre-supposes that there are aliens around in control somewhere. The book of Genesis removes a bit of the personifications and left off the mining part, LOL.

    Now if you add the current scientific finding that water was something that arrived here from space and some other banter about DNA not being an Earthly manufactured construction (not sure how exactly scientific that "fact" is or isn't, lol) then I think you may have done a much more thoroughly convincing piece of propaganda. I'm sorry - I give you only a C on the endeavor, but do keep working at it as you show true promise.



    Michelle - when you post do not forget, for the most part, the people reading are in the "why didn't we have any warning" frame of mind about the economic crash even though some of us were posting warnings up to 2 years ago and the responses to the posts were "nutcase" etc. Most don't even remember reading any warnings. If you want to go to conspiracy (note I am not adding the word "theory") you might want to study how short people's memories are becoming and then go search out "US Mind Control Patents" with a view that seems to escape most - the contraption MUST work to become patented - then go see which corporations you can find which have either bought or use these patented technologies. Very enlightening, but don't bother to write here (or much of anywhere) about them. I've done so and the common responses were baffling = "they probably don't work", which is unbelievable ignorance of the patent system coming from the mouths of marketers, or "they wouldn't use them". Ha - look at the patent originators and say that again real slow over and over until you believe it.

    NAFTA is a very real situation to our Congress, and Obama is a staunch supporter - but the masses still generally think the NAU is "conspiracy theory" even though property is already being bought or heisted through "eminent domain along the proposed highway corridor and Oklahoma recently very overtly declared sovereignty to shut down the corridor through their state in an attempt to stop NAFTA. No matter how much laughter and how many times you hear "conspiracy theory" and "nutbag" when referring to NAFTA and the NAU, when the highway is completed and the trucks are rolling in, the masses will scream their lungs out about "why weren't we told".

    Need one final example of why you are talking to brick walls for the most part? Congress received more response to the bailout than they have ever received about anything - and the response was 1000 to 1 against the bailout. They approved a bailout anyway - and most still don't understand the extent of this bailout - 800 bil is only per dole out, not a cap on dole outs. Right now trillions have been shuffled, and they are refusing to tell where it is being given because of protests about AIG living high and mighty off our money. Our gov is now in the business of buying stock in corporations and WE do not see a penny from this although the Gov itself gets some good benefits. Now - some people can't figure out why that is called a movement into a fascist state? Uh...okay. Conveniently, the definition of fascism is being changed in some of the newer dictionaries so no one who isn't already aware will accidentally learn it in our government controlled schools.

    Now if you look at the end days of Hitler's reign, the German government also declined into the exact type of fascism, yet if you say so out loud, people will still scream their faces off that you are crazy and will refuse to believe a word.

    Now as far as some of the "gurus" of conspiracy, I am afraid I have to agree with others - many are just making a name and some good money being conspiracy gurus. But - much is wrong, and many aren't aware and most of those would/will still be unaware even when/if the NAFTA is loaded with trucks, they are handing Ameros over to store cashiers, and even if many of their neighbors disappear and new taxes are imposed to support fema camps. And that is the way it is. That is the way it was in Germany in 1940 and that is the way it is now.
    If you want to keep up with what is "theory" and what is "conspiracy" just watch legislation as it goes through and actually read the documents and any documents which have referents within the texts.

    Kay - I believe the real problem with immunizations started when the government decided to make it mandatory to be immunized. I remember when a flu came through - If I remember rightly it was the swine flu - and they threatened to make it mandatory for every citizen to be immunized. It started a real ruckus. Also, the finding that the mercury in many of them were having disastrous effects on some children, accompanied with findings about how immunizations break down your own systems immune functions and about the ineffectiveness of flu shots which in reality are just more pharmaceutical marketing hype didn't do much good.
    All in all it was an issue that has been building for decades, but I believe the real point at which the issue exploded was at forced (often referred to as "gunpoint") immunization.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Yes of course, Paul. I am sure you have read the Enuma Elish (Summerian Creation Epoch from which Genesis was derived? It states that humans were brought into existence for the purpose of mining the earth - which pre-supposes that there are aliens around in control somewhere. The book of Genesis removes a bit of the personifications and left off the mining part, LOL.

      Now if you add the current scientific finding that water was something that arrived here from space and some other banter about DNA not being an Earthly manufactured construction (not sure how exactly scientific that "fact" is or isn't, lol) then I think you may have done a much more thoroughly convincing piece of propaganda. I'm sorry - I give you only a C on the endeavor, but do keep working at it as you show true promise.
      So there is proof here in ancient texts that inter-galactic marauders have been planning an invasion of earth to enslave its inhabitants? UFO sightings are proof of this reconnaissance? Obama "The Chosen One" has been programmed to make earth ready for occupation. You are right, I need to work on this a bit more in order to sell like the others in the conspiracy niche.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Sal -

        The problems I've read about immunization in the past few years focus on the theory that they may be contributing to some major problems such as autism.

        One major focus of research is on the possibility that combination immunizations are too strong for some children and perhaps lead to major problems in susceptible children. It has not been proven and is complicated by the fact that autism is often diagnosed at an age that is not long after the final immunizations - so it may be coincidence rather than causal factors. The diagnosis of autism increased greatly after these combined shots were begun - but don't know if it is better diagnosis or a true link.

        Some things to me beg for common sense - and if there's any chance that giving huge doses of various immunities at one time might be harmful it is common sense to insist on the "old" method of giving different immunizations one at a time spaced over 2-3 months. It's one of those things that is easy to change by a parent willling to forego the one-visit, one-step innoculation to avoid potential risk.

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          the people reading are in the "why didn't we have any warning" frame of mind about the economic crash even though some of us were posting warnings up to 2 years ago and the responses to the posts were "nutcase" etc.
          There were many people predicting an economic collapse way before 2 years ago. I've seen people predict what happened as far back as 6 to 10 years ago. I don't see any vindication for conspiracy theorists in the recession. It's a recession and may become a depression because of things like greed, arrogance, ignorance, ineptness, etc... Maybe some conspiracy also. But I don't think lizards are to blaim.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            There were many people predicting an economic collapse way before 2 years ago. I've seen people predict what happened as far back as 6 to 10 years ago. I don't see any vindication for conspiracy theorists in the recession. It's a recession and may become a depression because of things like greed, arrogance, ignorance, ineptness, etc... Maybe some conspiracy also. But I don't think lizards are to blaim.
            LOL! Do you remember the conspiracy theories back in the 1980's, when the stock market crashed, then again of course in 2001? We're seeing pretty much the same conspiracies again. I'm just kicking back, running my business, investing and waiting for my stocks to rise in the next 6 months to 18 months. This cycle repeats itself just about every 6-10 years. Those who see it will make fortunes - again and again. There is greed indeed, as well as arrogance, ieptness, and fear - it happens everytime. But people have money and will be buying again; they are holding back just waiting for things to shake out.

            I am conspiring to buy up as many of the low-priced stocks as I possibly can, just like I did in the 1980's and in Sept, 2001. To paraphrase an old adage: One man's fear is another man's fortune. People who fail to see opportunity during this "conspiracy" and fear mongering will miss the chance to make a fortune. It will happen again in 10 years or so, however, so maybe better luck next time for you conspiracy folks. You can take that to the bank, even though some may say it's a conspiracy when the stock market collapses again in 2017. I'll be ready and waiting.
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          • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
            Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

            Maybe some conspiracy also. But I don't think lizards are to blaim.
            Listen,

            If there are lizards involved- I don't want to know about them!

            Please- GIVE ME THE BLUE PILL!!!
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            • Profile picture of the author ThomM
              Lizards are pretty tasty grilled over an open fire.
              Come to think about it, pretty much any reptile
              is good grilled.
              So don't worry about them taking over the world,
              worry about having the right herbs and spices to grill
              them with.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Sal -

          The problems I've read about immunization in the past few years focus on the theory that they may be contributing to some major problems such as autism.

          One major focus of research is on the possibility that combination immunizations are too strong for some children and perhaps lead to major problems in susceptible children. It has not been proven and is complicated by the fact that autism is often diagnosed at an age that is not long after the final immunizations - so it may be coincidence rather than causal factors. The diagnosis of autism increased greatly after these combined shots were begun - but don't know if it is better diagnosis or a true link.

          Some things to me beg for common sense - and if there's any chance that giving huge doses of various immunities at one time might be harmful it is common sense to insist on the "old" method of giving different immunizations one at a time spaced over 2-3 months. It's one of those things that is easy to change by a parent willling to forego the one-visit, one-step innoculation to avoid potential risk.

          kay
          Yeah Kay - the problem stems from the mercury content of the vaccines and I would suppose that a combined injection probably has a lot more mercury and that could be a major problem. Actually they have just found that lack of vitamin D3 of which only source is sunshine has a very strong link to the rise in autism. When the scam that sunshine causes skin cancer and we need sunscreen was started more women were staying out of the sun while pregnant as well as keeping kids out of it...and Vit D3 deficiencies have been causing huge spikes in all sorts of illnesses and diseases, of which Autism is one. That's new news at a time when doctors and researchers are just starting to get publicly vocal about the dangers of not getting enough Vit D3 - dairy contains only D2. This finding might take some of the heat off of immunizations - BUT -- "Forced" is one major issue with many people and it always will be.

          Tim - ayep. No lizards in the white house -- still plenty of snakes and weasels though.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            You're right - we tend to hear a "warning" and then go way too far in the other direction.

            We hear "you should eat low fat" - so some parents are feeding their children low fat diets. Problem is, children need fats to develop properly.

            We hear "sun causes cancer" which means don't bake yourself daily - but the sun is also a source of Vitamin D so if you don't get some sunshine because you're slathered with ointment, not good for you.

            Almost anything is bad for you if it is overdone - that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it at all.

            People are such sheep, sometimes.

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            • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              People are such sheep, sometimes.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    You know, I've always sensed that, when I wasn't looking, my iguana was sizing me up.
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  • Profile picture of the author lazarus4444
    I know this thread is a month old but seriously, you all should be working on your IM and not worrying about bullshit like this. This stuff can be argued until the end of time and nobody will agree except to agree to disagree. Now get out there and take action.
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