Write the Supreme Court about Obama's Birth Certificate

Ummmm, why is anyone still beating this dead horse?

Certified copies of Obama's birth certificate have been obtained from the proper entities in Hawaii and have been deemed authentic by the US Government.

Don't you think that if there were any question about Obama's birth place, that that would have been brought up prior to his announcing his candidacy?

Typically, folks in the government are vetted and all information is on file, such as birth place, and other pertinent information.

There is no conspiracy. He's not a terrorist or a terrorist-lover. He's not a Muslim (not that being a Muslim automatically makes one a bad person - that is racist to think so).

Dang. Just give it up people!

That reflects really weird thinking in my opinion. You'd have
to go post that in some super paranoid right wing chat room
to get it taken seriously.

I knew I would get flamed on this one. We've elected a president based on excellent media marketing. We bought a package by it's pretty colors and neat design. The birth certificate, if you look at the video, it clearly shows that it is faked. If it was approved, then why is it before the US Supreme Court because of it's obvious flaws? Yes, you have to be a US Citizen, and it has always been assumed that you are when you run for president. This is the first time in US history that someone who was not born here has run for office....and WON. You can call me a conspiracy theorist all you want, you can call me a political ranter, whatever. This very apathy is why we are loosing the very fabric of freedom our country has been the bastion of for over 200 years. As much as we have been a haven, I fear we will turn into a hell.

People buy because of the package. We judge by looks and make a conclusion before reading the ingredients label. We throw away gifts because of it's size or wrapping paper.

Folks, even though Obama is "headed for the white house", IF he is not born in the US---then we are in a constitutional crisis. Either we rip up the foundation of this country and reap the consequences of it--fascism or some form thereof, or we return to what out founding fathers established.

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident that all Men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness--that to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Declaration of Independence

People, we had a political coup in 2000. WWIII began August 8, 2008. When the Congress passed the "bailout", it was an economic coup. With Obama being elected, the last threads of our constitution have been effectively swept away.

A friend of mine was just tried, a few days ago in Los Angeles, TWICE on the same charge. The first time, he was dismissed. The judge tried him again and got the guilty verdict...In complete violation of the US Constitution.

Please think about where this country is heading. We can still turn her back on course.

Dorothy

And it's time to mover on.
It's Thanksgiving and a time for exactly that. Giving Thanks.
The election is over.
Obama did not get elected by "excellent media marketing".
People sometimes do buy because of the packaging,but this was not the case in this election.
bush and his atrocious policies over the last 8 years is what lost the election for the repubs this time. A rock could have beaten the McCain/Palin ticket,for reasons too numerous to go into.
Obama's birth certificate theory has been proven false over and over again.
As far as apathy goes, I think for the first time in a long time.probably since the 60s, that we do NOT have a lot of apathy.
I have stated before I was a Ron Paul fan,therefore it can's be said I am posting because my candidate won.
I would certainly like to see information about your friends case where he was tried twice for the same charge,because it does have to be for the same charge, there are many times when someone is tried again for the same crime,but the charges are different.
Like I said, I was not an Obama supporter this election, but now I have to say for the first time in a long memory, I think we finally have someone that is at least trying to look and act presidential,and I think its about time.

Dorothy - as already pointed out, this issue is already in the Supreme court. You mentioned the bailout? Well how many wrote and called their legislators and said, very firmly said, "NO" - what happened? Yep. You got it - it's gone sweety, and people still don't - and most refuse to - know it, so the only thing to do is to let the new dictator rule and see if our new state of socialism will be pleasant and easy or if he makes moves that make life hell enough to spur enough forward that we can win a civil war.

Well - just found out We the People foundation is putting an article in the Chicago Tribune next week demanding redress from Obama -- it seems the ORIGINAL document has still not, for some reason, been disclosed. Obviously, there are still very strong questions about it. I would assume that those with more legal knowledge than I would know more about the subject and I doubt strongly that they would spend so many bucks for a lark or a scam. It's still being taken care of so I am going to ignore it until I hear any answers that actually make any difference later on.

To borrow a phrase from a friend of mine from way back...

"You cannot be serious?!"

And it's still possible that McCain is a white guy brainwashed
in Vietnam and he was gonna be a Manchurian Candidate -
with all the old-boy influence and corporate connections of
being married to an ultra-rich Beer Heiress carries.

yeah. It's silly.

Countries rise and fall over "silly" stuff. The worry is that if a president's qualifications are not completely in line with the constitution then his/her leadership, being outside of the constitution, will void the very country we choose to honor. There are questions about this Pres - and there were questions about his opponent, who was able to satisfy the people and the
courts - Obama hasn't. There is nothing silly about making sure that there is 100% valid proof on this one, especially considering his background.

We the People is not just "bloggers" and they are keeping up with the issue. When it is over they will say what the outcome is - redress being called is serious. It will be a done issue before he takes office and no matter how many think that its a waste of time, you should be glad that someone is looking after keeping such issues above board. Sure won't be the general, corporate new watching, public that keeps this country straight. LOL.

Facts are facts.

Okay - THis is STUPIDITY.

1. - Yes, Paul likes to flash around a bit and seemingly doesn't care what happens about anything as long as he's making bucks. However - what he makes and how he makes it are HIS business - not ours. If he wants to either tell the truth or lie about it is also HIS business and might just be his way of telling others to mind theirs. MM - you owe an apology to Paul - he is not beholden to distribute the info you have called for and unless you have access to this man's personal books and records - you have no right and much less reason to call him a liar.

2. Been here in another thread - we are in a conversation here and we are not under any obligation to provide any resources just to talk. If you do not know the laws of your own country - then go find them out yourself. You should be ashamed coming in here wanting proof of a very well known law of your own country. This is not some obscure little backwater law that was just past - it has been a doctrine of the US since the Constitution was adopted. You need to do your own research here. Perhaps we should just tell you to prove otherwise? circular argument.

3. There is enough reason to doubt Obama's citizenship to have objections being sought very heartily. Why it is important is because if he is found to be a non-citizen and the supreme court allows him to reign - that is what he is doing, we now have a King instead of a president and it holds proof that there is no more constitutional America - that's a fact we have a damned RIGHT to know. The bail-out was un-authorized by the citizens and forced on us against our very loudly apposed will. Bush was forced on us without popular election -- either time. Now this? Our major news centers are owned by 5 corporations which are government friendly and do not give us any news the corp says "no" to. Are we done? We are trying to find out, but our communications have been cut - was anyone even aware that Saudi Arabia is a quite major owner of FOX news? How much truth do you expect from news when corporations which are now becoming, thanks to a fascist bailout system, owned by our government (UM...fascism, hellllllo). What country do people live in that they don't understand or know this stuff?

The bailout was not for 800 Bil - that was just a cap on each transaction and at this date 2 trillion has been given out and the Gov is refusing to say to whom or for what because we might get mad - just like we did when AIG started partying on our wallets. We are in deep shit so go wave your flags - and don't forget that fringe belongs on them at this time, sovereignty is not something we now fight to keep - it is what we need to recapture. You were warned and chose to watch what corporations wanted you to know as "news" and missed the whole freaking fall of your stinking country. Most of you don't even understand the depth of what "corporate owned news channels" means. Maybe you can understand what Saudi owned news channels might indicate.


As far as OBAMA - here are the facts as they stand. Please note that the issue has now entered the docket of the U.S. Supreme Court and Justice Clarence Thomas has decided to send it to conference on December 5th!

The fact that there is no media attention to such an issue does not rest as indication it is not an important issue -
it rests as proof that your media is controlled - they would report such an issue, even if accusations were being dished up falsely if they were free media. That is what a
FREE media does:

Attorney Philip J. Berg, former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and a longtime Democrat partisan, sued Obama and the Democratic National Committee for what he alleged was the DNC's failure to vet Obama, and Obama's failure to provide an authentic and verifiable U.S. birth certificate. The suit was dismissed as "too vague..." Berg filed a writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court on Oct.30, to force Obama to produce his birth certificate. On Nov. 3, Justice David Souter rejected Berg's emergency appeal for the court to halt the tabulation of the 2008 presidential election results, but set a schedule for a response from Obama, the DNC and all co-defendants on or before Dec. 1. Berg claims to have a tape recording of Obama's Kenyan grandmother saying that she was present at Obama's birth in Kenya, along with his half-brother and half-sister. Here is his website.

According to WorldNetDaily, blogger Jeff Schreiber said a second case was presented to the Supreme Court on the same issue, i.e., the Federal Election Commission (FEC) has waived its right to respond to a complaint brought by attorney Philip Berg, possibly - among other reasons - because they liked their odds of Berg's petition getting denied. Berg said that if the FEC filed not solely on its own behalf but "on behalf of the DNC and Barack Obama too, it reeks of collusion."

Dr. T.B. Bradley, a forensic psychologist, stated, as part of the Berg case, that, "Upon reading all of the books written by or about Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. aka Barry Soetoro (hereinafter Obama) Applicant discerned that Obama was not a natural born citizen of the United States or if he was a natural born citizen that he had lost his citizenship when his biological mother married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Obama then became a citizen of Indonesia as a result of his mother's expatriation of herself and her son, by self declaration on legal public educational records that Obama was formally known as Barry Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia [and] was not US Constitutionally qualified to hold the Office of the United States Senator from Illinois or the Office of the President of the United States."

Author, radio host, blogger, and Chicago attorney Andy Martin filed a suit in Hawaii's Supreme Court to compel Gov. Linda Lingle to release a certified copy of Obama's vital statistics record. His request was denied. On Nov. 18, he petitioned a judge in Hawaii for access to Obama's original 1961 birth certificate, and reported that "the judge reserved judgment." But when he arrived back in the states, he learned that Judge Bert Ayabe had dismissed the case.

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes filed a suit with the California Secretary of State asking that the state's 55 Electoral College votes not be cast on December 15 until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. Keyes' suit was filed by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation, along with California Electors Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson. The action states: "Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States, and, thereby, his election declared void....(a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal." Former California Secretaries of State have reviewed background documents to verify the eligibility of candidates.

In 1968, the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for POTUS. Then Secretary of State, Frank Jordan, found that according to Cleaver's birth certificate, he was only 34 years old, one year shy of the age needed to be on the ballot. Mr. Jordan removed Mr. Cleaver from the ballot. Cleaver unsuccessfully challenged this decision to the Supreme Court of the State of California and to the Supreme Court.

Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan, a retired 23-year veteran of the Army, National Guard, and Air Force filed another suit in North Carolina, which claimed Obama should not have been on the state's election ballot because his citizenship is in doubt.

David M. Neal of Ohio filed a suit in Warren Common Pleas Court to force the Ohio Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.

Cort Wrotnowski of Connecticut asked the court to order Secretary of State, Susan Bysiewicz, to verify Obama's citizenship before allowing the candidate to appear on the state ballot. The case was denied.

Steven Marquis filed a suit Washington State Superior Court, calling for Secretary of State, Sam Reed, to determine whether Obama is a citizen before Election Day, claiming the Hawaii birth certificate reveals neither the hospital where Obama was born nor a doctor's name the baby's footprint. The case was denied.

Rev. Tom Terry of Georgia appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court the day before the election to determine authenticity of Obama's original birth certificate and his qualifications to be president. Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter denied Terry's request for an injunction against Secretary of State Karen Handel.

Author Jerome Corsi, who has written extensively about this case, traveled to Hawaii and Kenya. He learned that the Certification of Live Birth that the Obama campaign posted is, according to the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, not the same as a Certificate of Live Birth, which authenticates Hawaiian birth.

Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. In November 2004 she said he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, but in February 2008, she said he was born in the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children. Before the election, the Internet site, WorldNetDaily, retained a private investigator in Hawaii to visit both hospitals, but he reported that sheriff's deputies were stationed at both hospitals to fend off inquiries.

Leo C. Donofrio a retired attorney, started a website (supporting link) and filed a suit in New Jersey on November 3, asking Secretary of State, Nina Mitchell Wells, for an emergency stay prohibiting Obama, Sen. McCain, and Socialist Worker's Party candidate Roger Calero, from appearing on New Jersey's ballot, claiming all three are not "natural born citizens." On Nov. 6, Supreme Court Justice David Souter denied Donofrio's application. But the case has now entered the docket of the U.S. Supreme Court and Justice Clarence Thomas has decided to send it to conference on December 5th! This means that only 10 days before the Electoral College votes, the nine Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court will meet privately to discuss Donofrio's case.

Douglas J. Hagmann, director of HomelandSecurityUS.com, has reported that 17 lawsuits in 12 states are challenging the eligibility of Obama to become the next President of the United States.

Numerous activist groups have undertaken letter-writing campaigns to the Supreme Court Justices, members of the Electoral College, and elected officials, as well as sending urgent appeals to the White House and the Department of Justice.

Websites like Citizens for the United States Constitution, We The People, PeoplesPassion, America Must Know, and Faith2Action have sprung up in passionate defense of our Constitution's integrity. The last of these has even posted the names and addresses of Electoral College members from each state, as well as an ad in The Washington Times.

Dozens of petitions have been circulated.

And dozens of mostly-conservative writers (including Devy Kidd and Miichelle Malkin), bloggers and journalists have written about his strange case and potential Constitutional crisis.

Now if you all want to think this is a "TRIVIAL" issue, you are free to do so. I have no respect for anyone still under the impression that if the conventional media didn't report it that it isn't an important issue - we've seen a bit too much of this type of info blackout for anyone to still be this niave. IF you are that niave, then you truly do not need freedom - Freedom is for people who are able to think for themselves. If you want to continue to be led by the nose while your country adapts a fascist or socialist agaenda - then just continue to allow them to bleed your assets through the movement to fascism via the bailout and be happy you won't have to decide for yourself any more.

What happens if Obama is found in a legally operated Supreme Court decision? Then at least we know that SOME of our citizens were willing to press for truths when there were extreme questions and issues that need to be verified. Sometimes the "conspiracy theorists" are right - sometimes they aren't - but at least they are staunch enough to question what should be questioned.

DO KNOW THIS YOUR GOVERNMENT IS NOW BUYING STOCK IN CORPORATIONS WITH YOUR MONEY YET YOU ARE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE ANY OWNERSHIP MONEYS OR CREDIT OR CONSIDERATION. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I JUST SAID HERE, DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT FASCISM IS WHEN OUR COUNTRY FOUGHT A WAR JUST 6O YEARS AGO TO END IT - THEN YOU DO NOT DESERVE A SAY IN ANYTHING WHICH TRANSPIRES FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. IF IT DOES NOT BOTHER YOU THAT REAL POSSIBILITIES EXIST THAT THE MAN WITH THE SOCIALIST PHILOSOPHIES THAT WAS JUST ELECTED AS THIS COUNTRY'S PRESIDENT IS NOT EVEN A CITIZEN, THEN YOU HAVE MISSED THE WHOLE POINT OF OUR REPUBLIC AND YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE IN A REPUBLIC NO MATTER WHO DIED TO GIVE IT TO YOU. AT LEAST THE SUPREME COURT STILL KNOWS ENOUGH OF IT'S DUTIES TO AT LEAST ACCEPT THE ISSUE AS AN IMPORTANT AND CREDIBLE ONE.

The Supreme court will be dealing with the issue on December 5th - they will decide if the documents are real or not, and they will decide not only if Obama is a REAL citizen, but if they will allow him to rule despite the fact if he is not. THAT they are taking a serious enough look at the issue to suggest there is a problem. THAT, at this time is, the ONLY real fact in the matter.

Wow, I was quoted by an award winning flimmaker!
Talk about being Shameless
And a Ron Paul girl to boot.
Anyways, when you say:
"They cannot try you for murder, and then lose (or dismiss) and then try you for manslaughter, or vise versa. It's called double jeopardy. And in civil court its called Res Judicata (as in, you had your chance once to bring up ALL the issues, now it's too late)."
That is correct.
Which basically is why I said I would like to see the information about the case she claims her friend is being tried for the same crime for twice.

I actually saw on a documentary about the mafia where it did show someone being tried for the same crime twice.
Something about it being proven that the Chicago courts at the time were so corrupt that the man got aquitted of murder even when there was overwhelming evidence he did the crime.
Later after the Chicago courts were "cleaned " up, the man was tried for the same murder and was found guilty.
By the way, I find discussing this much more interesting than that BS about Obama's birth certificate.

This youtube video explains why the supreme court and electoral college are vital and WHY the Obama Birth Certificate is so important.

YouTube - A Message to Our Electors

Dorothy

Depends on the wording of the suit. Right now I'm more interested in Chicago games.